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Mocsta
Australia9387 Posts
I already explained why ur tells u think are pro town. Are actually null. Then u follow up by being derogatory towards everyone. Then Instead of attacking the case against u.. U go ad hominem by saying they have small minds... Seriously warbaby not impressed. My vote remains with this defense. Again ur not living up to what u promised. | ||
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Mandalor
Germany2362 Posts
On February 11 2013 20:52 Mocsta wrote: Mandalor. I know u want revenge for me. But spending time trying to kick a guy when he is on the floor. I.e. prove something is dead when it is indeed dead.... reads to me as trying to contribute without contributing. Since u talking about lurkers. Can i assume ur in luv with geript? Honestly, I'd prefer to not have to talk to you all game. 50% of all posts in this game are from you, again. I don't know what you are trying to accomplish with that. Before warbaby made this stupid martyring post, I wasn't sure what you all were onto. As far as I read his posts, the only sentence that felt scummy was I'd like to post basically the same thing I did at the beginning of NMM 36. Now, the martyring certainly changed things for me. I don't understand why a former MVP would get so aggressive and condescending this early in the game. Now, compare WB's posts so far with his last post before getting lynched in NMM XXXVI: Yeah, if I get lynched I won't hold it against you. It's just a game  --- Concerning geript: I don't quite understand. I don't think geript is lurking, is he? Then again, all he contributed so far was general strategic thoughts. No reads on people, yet. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9387 Posts
That is even worse than. By day1 i was essentially a confirmed town for the majority of players. This was proven by ppl posting their reads.. I was also onto the last remaining scum from day dot and was close to getting him to concede. If u gonna pretend to read a game. At least do it properly. | ||
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warbaby
United States510 Posts
On February 11 2013 21:17 Mandalor wrote: Now, the martyring certainly changed things for me. I don't understand why a former MVP would get so aggressive and condescending this early in the game. It pisses me off after I got named town MVP in my last game, I try to repeat my playstyle in the next game (in order to be useful to town!) and I get shit all over for it. I figured you guys would understand my play style (which seems to be valid based on '36 post-game analysis). Apparently you don't, and I just honestly don't care about this game enough to defend myself against accusations that are this stupid. If you're upset that I'm giving up this early, I would consider requesting a replacement. Just let me know if you'd prefer to shit all over someone other than me. | ||
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Mandalor
Germany2362 Posts
On February 11 2013 21:22 warbaby wrote: I try to repeat my playstyle in the next game That is precisely why people are onto you, especially since you openly said it. As scum, you would try to copy your town meta, and you even mentioning that looks a lot like a scumslip. Honestly, if you can't cope with getting attacked in a mafia game, this game really isn't for you. | ||
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warbaby
United States510 Posts
On February 11 2013 21:27 Mandalor wrote: That is precisely why people are onto you, especially since you openly said it. As scum, you would try to copy your town meta, and you even mentioning that looks a lot like a scumslip. Honestly, if you can't cope with getting attacked in a mafia game, this game really isn't for you. If I'm town, would I not copy my previously successful town play from the last game I was town? Which included being mislynched by horrible players who have no idea what a scumtell actually looks like... I've never played scum, so you have no idea what my scum meta looks like. I have played town, and if you think my town meta this game is off, it's because I'm absolutely sick to death of having to defend myself the entire game (which is also what happened in '36). I'm being condescending because it's mind boggling that people like Corazon would make the same mistake two games in a row. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9387 Posts
In short:
As I said prior, I have not seen a townie defend himself in the manner you have chosen, in particular for Day1 where the most uncertainty resides. This is exacerbated by your claims of being MVP. Let us quickly go over your derogatory and ad-hominem comments one more time, because regardless of alignment I find it inexcusable. On February 11 2013 20:45 warbaby wrote: I honestly don't give a shit anymore. Go ahead and mislynch me, so I can make fun of you all (again) in the obs qt. Maybe I'll even be named town MVP again (it's not hard with competition like this). On February 11 2013 20:57 warbaby wrote: Are you fucking dense? ..... You must be fucking dense. On February 11 2013 20:59 warbaby wrote: I was trying to get Mocsta to shut up because he's an idiot and bad at this game On February 11 2013 21:31 warbaby wrote: I'm being condescending because it's mind boggling that people like Corazon would make the same mistake two games in a row. Just remember what I said to you before you went ad-hominem on me, and called me an idiot. On February 11 2013 13:50 Mocsta wrote: .... Thus, an intelligent person is WELL-AWARE of their meta, and is WELL-AWARE of actions deemed pro-town in their town games. This is how I will choose to think/treat you. Therefore, you saying, "town people did it last game"; if anything gives more credence towards suggesting it is scum motivated play. If I decide to do an ice-breaker, its because I am trying to stimulate discussion or aid town. Not because I want to gain town cred to be perceived as pro-town..... Your approach to me can be summed up by this quote. On February 11 2013 21:22 warbaby wrote: It pisses me off after I got named town MVP in my last game, I try to repeat my playstyle in the next game (in order to be useful to town!) and I get shit all over for it. I conclude with this reminder On February 11 2013 20:57 Mocsta wrote: I waited 8 hours for THAT... ##vote: warbaby I never seen a town player defend themselves so meekly early game.it shows complete lack of care. Logicial deduction. U must be scum. good find corazon. Perhaps i wad wrong with RNG | ||
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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
Can we have an "Important Posts" section in the OP, with a link to the beginning of the game? The pre-game banter has ruined filters and it's going to be tough to navigate this thread as it gets longer. | ||
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Sylencia
Australia1057 Posts
On February 11 2013 20:57 warbaby wrote: Are you fucking dense? Scum already knows who the towns are. All I'm saying is I'm town. They (the scum) already know that. I could give away more information (like a blue role) later on, but I haven't done that yet. Why are you saying I'm claiming a blue role when I've done nothing of the sort? You must be fucking dense. Of course scum knows who is town and who is not - they don't know who is blue and who is not though. Your wording in the original statement 'I won't claim my actual role right now' telegraphs you have something to actually claim. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On February 11 2013 23:05 zarepath wrote: I'm just starting to catch up; will spend the morning reading up. Can we have an "Important Posts" section in the OP, with a link to the beginning of the game? The pre-game banter has ruined filters and it's going to be tough to navigate this thread as it gets longer. Ya Acro will update it eventually. In the meantime help yourself through the following means: 1) Open Acros filter. 2) go to daypost. 3) Success! | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9387 Posts
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glurio
Germany597 Posts
Then hopping on the easy lynch wagon after warbaby made those terrible posts? On February 11 2013 09:55 Mocsta wrote: + Show Spoiler + On February 11 2013 09:43 warbaby wrote:
Agreed, no lurky lurk. When appropriate is very loose wording, setting you up to change your agenda as you see fit. My thoughts are: Im going to lynch my best scum read. If scum reads are ambiguous and cases are grasping at straws, I will RNG out of the pool of lurkers (no pun on RNG intended,m ore so how do you chose between 3 or 4 ppl with 1 post) Post consolidation definitely important. No need to hear every thought. But this is no excuse for lurking either. + Show Spoiler + Will try my best. But do I really have to tolerate idiotic play. But yes. OMGUS is terrible and often scum motivation. Theres a difference between OMGUS and making a well-reasoned counter-case. Let's start with that and don't post endlessly. While i agree with everyone that warbabys posts have been really horrible he basically did everything he shouldn't do (soft-blue claim, getting overly emotional, giving up, citing countless times hes town), i think we should really step back and take a look at the whole picture. I think he would be much more cautious with his posts if he actually was scum. I'd like everyone to look at mocstas filter. Does he do anything to seriously scumhunt? He asks questions in every direction, has people on his "watch" but this is the same as NMM XXXV, where he was infact the mafia gf. He picks the easiest target and highlights everything everyone already read. Sn0 didn't add anything useful with his arguably limited posting time, only talk about RNG and english grammatics. Useless but i'm sure he'll pick it up. | ||
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warbaby
United States510 Posts
On February 11 2013 23:23 Sylencia wrote: Of course scum knows who is town and who is not - they don't know who is blue and who is not though. Your wording in the original statement 'I won't claim my actual role right now' telegraphs you have something to actually claim. Yes, I'm not going to claim my role D1 because the mafia does not know my role. This could imply that I'm the death miller serial killer (that was a joke from the pre-game, btw), or it could imply that I'm just Vanilla Town. I'm still in favor of lynching a lurker, and there are some pretty good candidates, still. Glad to see that zarepath and Mandalor are here now. | ||
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warbaby
United States510 Posts
You understand the difference between alignment and role, right? I agree that there could be scummy motiviations in the ridiculous case against me, but I can't really pursue this avenue without being accused of OMGUS. I encourage you and others to look at this more. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
![[image loading]](https://twimg0-a.akamaihd.net/profile_images/2752616335/4b3ae0f60a4556ba1b2b4088d779492b_normal.jpeg) Count Vote:warbaby (2): cDgCorazon, Mocsta Not Voting (11): 9-BiT, Sevryn, WaveofShadow, Sn0_Man, Macheji, glurio, warbaby, geript, zarepath, Mandalor, Sylencia Currently, warbaby is set to be lynched! ~34.5 hours remaining until deadline. Remember you have to vote! | ||
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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
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Mocsta
Australia9387 Posts
On February 11 2013 23:33 glurio wrote: Posting a shitload of fluff, useless RNG and grammatics discussion isn't pro-town behaviour Mocsta. Then hopping on the easy lynch wagon after warbaby made those terrible posts? Let's start with that and don't post endlessly. While i agree with everyone that warbabys posts have been really horrible he basically did everything he shouldn't do (soft-blue claim, getting overly emotional, giving up, citing countless times hes town), i think we should really step back and take a look at the whole picture. (2) I think he would be much more cautious with his posts if he actually was scum. (1) I'd like everyone to look at mocstas filter. Does he do anything to seriously scumhunt? He asks questions in every direction, has people on his "watch" but this is the same as NMM XXXV, where he was infact the mafia gf. He picks the easiest target and highlights everything everyone already read. Sn0 didn't add anything useful with his arguably limited posting time, only talk about RNG and english grammatics. Useless but i'm sure he'll pick it up. Glurio, (1) why are you asking others to look into my filter? Heres a suggestion, if you dont like my play; look into my filter and fire away your concerns. I will be here for prob the next hour, so your welcome to talk to me whilst I am here (2) I was considering the "cautious" line of thought as well. But I dunno; when I was scum in NMM XXXV i was posting off-the-cuff and recklessly, and with high emotion. i think either alignment is capable of acting that way, so the high emotion is null. Its more to do with why he became highly emotional, for me that is more so leaning scum than town. I think a town player is confident in their role PM and has no need to be this hysterical, derogatory or ad-hominem so early. P.S. This is not NMM XXXV; and regardless is being played out completely different to that game. That game my play focused on flaming, this game my play is focused on expounding logic and reasoning. P.P.S. Fact: I have rolled Link Hogthrob - but won't say what this role is That my role is a muppet already indicates the difference between this and NMM XXXV!! heheh | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On February 11 2013 14:46 cDgCorazon wrote: 2. Continuing to play the victim from the mislynch in NMM 36. Why in the world are you continuing to do this? Did you read my accusations at all? If you're taking the two votes seriously at the beginning I don't know what to say... | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9387 Posts
On February 11 2013 23:36 warbaby wrote: I'm not soft blue claiming, glurio. I'm hard alignment claiming, and reserving a role claim until it actually makes sense to do so. You understand the difference between alignment and role, right? I agree that there could be scummy motiviations in the ridiculous case against me, but I can't really pursue this avenue without being accused of OMGUS. [/B[] I encourage you and others to look at this more. Matey, Disagree fully with this sentiment. I am a large advocate of the counter case, and by all means do not classify it OMGUS. its all about delivery; OMGUS is basically "you voted me, which means YOU ARE SCUM" counter case is about either: (1) refuting the case against you with logic and rational thought AND (sometimes) (2) developing your own case against the attacker i.e. [B]On February 11 2013 09:55 Mocsta wrote: OMGUS is terrible and often scum motivation. Theres a difference between OMGUS and making a well-reasoned counter-case. | ||
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warbaby
United States510 Posts
On February 11 2013 23:46 Mocsta wrote:I think a town player is confident in their role PM and has no need to be this hysterical, derogatory or ad-hominem so early. This is amusing coming from the guy making a bunch of hysterical wall of text posts, desperate to appear to be scum hunting. I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings, but I call out stupid when I see it. This is confirmed by my meta (and the post-game analysis) in '36. | ||
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