EPTOn February 12 2013 00:37 warbaby wrote:
You're giving me a wake-up call? That's rich.
You're giving me a wake-up call? That's rich.
STOP COMPLAINING AND START SCUMHUNTING IF YOU DONT WANT ME TO VOTE YOU.
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
STOP COMPLAINING AND START SCUMHUNTING IF YOU DONT WANT ME TO VOTE YOU. | ||
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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
Although Sn0_Man has posted minimal contribution and his longest post is about the English language, it looks as though he went to bed, so I am not going to look too deeply at him until he comes back. It is certainly still up to him to contribute as of yet; however, I am kind of in the same boat, so I can't fault him for that just yet. Kindly explain why Mandalor is so high on your list; I don't see much scum in his few posts, and wouldn't mind clarification. Excusing warbaby as a bad townie and soft-attacking Mocsta and Sn0_Man is all that glurio's done. I think he's in mine and Sn0_Man's boat right now -- wait and see, in other words. Wave of Shadow, though, is a whole other matter. His first post: On February 11 2013 09:40 WaveofShadow wrote: /confirm I thought we had to wait until 20:00 but I guess since others are posting... I'm completely against RNG lynch I'd much rather to lurker if possible if we need a Day 1 strategy. Mocsta I saw in a game you were recently in (i'm kinda busy to check right now) someone suggested RNG lynch and everyone immediately dumped all over him for scum. Why should this game be any different? Theory talk, and then soft-calls Mocsta scum, the person who has at that point looked the most Mayorly. Notice that he doesn't really follow up on this. Second post: On February 11 2013 11:21 WaveofShadow wrote: As far as I'm concerned, early game banter based on taking offense to others cheap shots or picking apart grammar is useless and should just be ignored. I'm fairly sure at this point enough people have declined the RNG vote so the topic should be dropped by everyone. Can the scumhunting begin now? A few things here. WaveofShadow takes upon himself the mantle of being the Reasonable Break-It-Up! Guy, even though people have already moved on. It's not Being Town, it's Acting Town. Also note the insinuation that nothing in the thread so far has been worthy of contribution -- the scumhunting hasn't started yet, according to him. He simultaneously puts himself up as Pro-Town and everyone before him as Anti-Town. It's all posturing, zero substance. Third post is super scummy: On February 11 2013 11:29 WaveofShadow wrote: Alright, I will begin so that people don't assume I'm just waiting for others to start so that I can dip back into the shadows. We don't have a lot to go on as there are still people in the thread who haven't even posted since the start of D1 (more than half, so no point listing them yet) so I'm going to be ballsy and let Mocsta know that I have my eye on him for filter burying. That being said it's really because it's way too early to have a solid scumread at this point, so unless more people come out of the woodwork (and we can get a soild read on them) I will be voting to lurker lynch D1. Wait -- why is he posting? Only so that people don't assume he wants to dip back into the shadows. The number one motivation for this post is to NOT LOOK SCUMMY, by his own admission. But what about content? He basically says that there is nothing going on and that there's nothing to see here until the lurkers post. Does that sound like a productive Day 1 for town? Hardly. The main thing that's a contribution here is that he has his eye on Mocsta for filter-burying, pretty much the absolutely easiest and most obvious "read" to make in this thread. So in sum, this post contributes nothing and is made solely for the purpose of not looking like mafia. And has he never heard of Mocsta before, or what? (And even though his eye's on him, he says in the same post he's going to vote for a lurker. So there's really not any pressure put on Mocsta if he actually thinks he's scum.) Fourth: On February 11 2013 13:04 WaveofShadow wrote: Yay for active lurking! I have to agree with Mocsta here, at the very least lurker removal D1 can be a useful strategy, but I can't say I'm in favor of removing those who are performing the bare minimum (read: have actual 'qualitative additions,' as geript put it) when there will be scum actively trying to disrupt our hunting efforts. If it comes to pass that those who are performing the bare minimum ARE the scum who are detracting from our efforts, then that's another story, but I feel like we should be slightly more certain of this than a regular lurker lynch, and I would also argue that this kind of thing would have to happen after D1. Once again, making my position very clear: if you are inactive or do not contribute to the hunt D1, then you are my target. Weird theory crap -- I still don't understand if he's saying that lurkers are more likely to be scum or poor contributors. It kinda sounds like both. In the end, he makes his position "very clear." Uh, what? Fifth post, super scummy: On February 11 2013 13:37 WaveofShadow wrote: Put it this way: if there is an extremely strong scumread on someone that is nigh irrefutable, then great, I can get on board. Otherwise LAL, but as I said, we shall see how the day progresses. Also regarding the soft claim (I feel I should address it) wouldn't I say the same thing if I were scum?  Um, if there's an irrefutable scum read on someone, and that's the only time when you'll get on board, there's a term for that -- it's called busing. The last part of the post is the best, though. Did he just call himself scum using WIFOM? And more importantly, why would town ever use WIFOM? As a very wise man who hadn't received his role PM once said: On February 08 2013 05:22 WaveofShadow wrote: Except that WIFOM doesn't get you anywhere more often than not and only serves to muck people up, so why bother using it if town? Sixth post, weird defensiveness against others addressing him: On February 11 2013 13:54 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm trying to say don't look too much into it. There are more important things to be done like scumhunt; determining as to my town alignment should become obvious by my future actions, not by my words. Warbaby, this sure as hell is my town as I'm a part of it and I care about it. I'm not sure where you got the idea that I'm telling or leading people not to think for themselves or that I'm doing something stupid. "Don't look too much into it." "Don't worry, don't read what I say, you'll know that I'm town soon enough, don't even bother thinking about me as mafia." What kind of townie says "don't analyze me in any way, please!"? Also, kind of overemphatic about his town-alignment claim here. Final post: On February 11 2013 14:12 WaveofShadow wrote: Jeez you guys are sensitive. In no way did I insinuate that I am the leader or that I own you guys, nor am I or have I ever bossed anyone around thus far in the game; people need to stop looking for things to be offended about when there is nothing. Makes you look scummy. Alright no more posting until I get something RL-related done but I leave with this final thing. Warbaby, if you are soft-claiming blue, I would have thought you had learned from previous NMM; blue claim is really not a good idea this early into the game. People calling him out means that they are super-sensitive, not that there's something wrong with his posting? And in return, he calls those people scummy, outright, but doesn't back it up. Oh, by the way, has to go to RL now. And his final thought is hopping onto the Warbaby bandwagon, but in kind of a compromised way -- he's not calling him scum, he's insinuating bad blue. In sum Wave of Shadow has done nothing but promote to me the idea that he is scum, and while I can see a warbaby acting the way he has because of stress/pressure of people mislynching two days in a row, there's no town motivation for what Wave of Shadow has posted. ##Vote: WaveofShadow | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
On February 12 2013 00:37 warbaby wrote: You're giving me a wake-up call? That's rich. I was just about to unvote... seriously. To everyone, except warbaby I am happy to continue scum hunting (and focus on others), but shit like the post above is why my vote will remain on warbaby, until a better alternative arises. He doesnt get a free pass; its just, there is no value grilling him for 30 hours. | ||
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Sevryn
698 Posts
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warbaby
United States510 Posts
I'm not voting until we've had more time for the remaining lurkers to report in, and Shadow can respond to zarepath. I agree with zarepath that the people actually voting me aren't looking that scummy; compared to those just trawling for a convenient bandwagon. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
The point that town never uses WIFOM made me laugh (you know why). Maybe you should rethink using WIFOM as a 100% scum tell (yeah it's scummy but if town Zare (from last game) does it why can't other towns do it and not be scum?). I'll be back in a few hours to do some more scumhunting. I have a bigger post planned on who I want to pressure. (damn school). | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
On February 12 2013 00:42 Sevryn wrote: Hey guys Im currently getting caught up on today still have a couple of pages left but want to say I am against RNG lynches with RNG you wont see how someone will try to defend themselves when they get lynched so you get little to no information from the flip. This effectively gives scum a much easier second day if we lynch townies. I look forward to your contributions on meaningful things. Maybe because your not up to speed, but RNG is dead. Heres some prompters for discussions. I dont know you, but you have a decent post count. (1) Have you played forum mafia before? (2) Do you prefer (for lynch) warbaby or WaveofShadow or alternative? (3) Given a choice D1, between random lurker, or null read ; which would you choose (4) Given a choice D1, between random lurker, or scum read ; which would you choose Thank you | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
zarepath, I am not sure if the start of your post was addressed to me? If so, I had mandalor as null read; he said a few things but until he follows through its all NON-alignment indicative. btw, quite a few decent points in that case; I think some are educated assumptions, and others are really contradictory to ideal town play. Will wait and see what wave has to say for himself before proceeding further. | ||
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warbaby
United States510 Posts
On February 12 2013 00:52 Mocsta wrote: are really contradictory to ideal town play No u. Good night and sweet dreams :3 | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
I will stay up for 5 min. Sorry what does that even mean? | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On February 12 2013 00:57 Mocsta wrote: I will stay up for 5 min. Sorry what does that even mean? +1 | ||
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warbaby
United States510 Posts
We all know you have a problem with me. You don't need to spam up the thread asking other people to confirm your bias. | ||
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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
I didn't realize that your middle line was null reads. | ||
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Mandalor
Germany2362 Posts
Here's a rundown of previous games: + Show Spoiler + NMM 36: slayalot (heavy lurker), glurio (not a heavy lurker, but relatively small filter) NMM 35: laguerta (heavy lurker) - replaced by an active JSL, Mocsta (active), bringaniga (troll, lurker) - replaced by Spaghetticus (active) NMM 34: TeMiL (lurker), Sylencia (active) NMM 33: Kickstart (lurker), FatChunk (active), Corazon (active) tbh I thought the scum teams were a little more lurker-heavy, but you can still see a pattern here: There hasn't been a scum team in the last 4 games that didn't feature at least one lurker. Town lurkers don't help us and have no excuse to not post. If we attack them, we might trigger them to contribute. Scum lurkers, on the other hand, are either afraid of slipping up or just try to actively not help the town by doing nothing but vote. Therefore, these players need to post ASAP: * 9-BiT * Sevryn * Macheji I hate lynching active players Day 1 and I feel like it's the reason Day 1 lynches are mislynches so often. We've seen it oh so many times that town cripples itself by mislynching active townies when scum lurkers get away so easily. At this point in time I would place my vote on one of these guys. Well, might as well do it ##Vote: 9-BiT | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9389 Posts
On February 12 2013 01:00 warbaby wrote: I don't think you're helping town by posting like this, Mocsta. I honestly believe your case against me is bad, and I don't like how you're asking other people to tunnel on me. That's not constructive. We all know you have a problem with me. You don't need to spam up the thread asking other people to confirm your bias. Look, im not going to enter into these "flame" games with you. It is now pretty clear you are relying to baiting emotional responses from anyone that does not like the smell of your shit. Sweet dreams back @ you. P.S. My issue is with your play; not you as a person. [fluff] I also don't think I am treating you in any way, shape or form as Acid did in NMM XXXVI. Please don't take it personal, mafia is just a game in the end and should be fun to play. | ||
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Sevryn
698 Posts
@ mocsta 1) I have played mafia before a long time ago 2) right now on the lynch I would like to hear from everyone 3) lurker over null 4) scum over lurker I think we need to not discuss peoples past games this early its really hard to make a read based on meta on D1 because of how little information we have to look at I understand on most day ones there really isnt anything else to talk about but this day one has a good bit of information so far and talking about past games is just adding stuff that is pure WIFOM which I agree is not helpful to good town play. its pretty much useless to everyone but scum. | ||
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Mandalor
Germany2362 Posts
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geript
10024 Posts
On February 11 2013 13:54 warbaby wrote: Since we've both posted plenty, how about we not post for a while? more as trying to get the town as a whole involved rather than have Mcosta posting incessantly as he has been. While I agree on point 3, that warbaby hasn't really partaken in scum hunting, I don't think that this is a good measure of town v scum 6 hours into D1. To be honest, your case feels more like a gag. My concern would moreso be Mocsta. 1. He seems unconcerned as to who to throw towards the vote While some may read it as him aggressively trying to test the town, I read his posts and various switches and tests as just trying to see where he can gain traction. As well, he jumps on the first person having any real traction. 2. He doesn't even read his own posts First, he calls Warbaby's generic opening scummy when it's null at best. Next he tacks on his own important notes, and finally he calls Warbaby's initial post null. 3. He has diarrhea of the keyboard On February 11 2013 09:55 Mocsta wrote: Post consolidation definitely important. No need to hear every thought. But this is no excuse for lurking either. Additionally, he brings ups the post consolidation point which he actively avoids. On February 11 2013 09:52 Mocsta wrote: Did not realise 4 people represented a majority in this game. Why dont you give others a chance to post their own thoughts instead of trying to forcefully influence them before they have spoken. Are you trying for a dictatorship here or something? Here he's accusing me, in effect, of running for mayor all while pushing his RNG agenda heavily. On February 11 2013 11:36 Mocsta wrote: See you guys in 12 hours. On February 11 2013 14:15 Mocsta wrote:\ I thought you said you were going to take a break from posting anyways.... Blames warbaby for coming back to post 2 times after 'taking a break' when Mocsta has posted 8. At best, all this comes off as unintentional bad play. At worst it's an overexcited scum player. I find the latter more believable and either way I feel better about lynching him currently than lynching a lurker. | ||
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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
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warbaby
United States510 Posts
##Vote: 9-Bit Normally I wouldn't tell anybody "do xyz and I'll unvote you" but in this case, simply make a few posts (that aren't blatantly scummy) and I'll unvote you. | ||
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