Fantasy Proleague '12-13 Round 2: All-Kill! - Page 20

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United States5491 Posts

January 09 2013 17:15 GMT

#381

I finished negative, but on the brightside, I finished better than dRaw, and really, isn't that all that matters

. Quite honestly though, Khan disappointed me, I placed all my faith in them, and then they wrecked me lol.

Necro)Phagist(

Canada6518 Posts

January 09 2013 17:23 GMT

#382

Okay so... I'm going to trade Reality, just haven't decided for who yet... Best options I can really see are

1)Flying -As pointed out earlier though not a very good option
2)Mind - Don't think he'll get played(Or win) that often but gets free points when KT wins...
3)HoeJJa - I have 0 clue about his skill level in Sc2, might have picked him up if it was the play offs...Also free KT points...
4)Puma - not the best results as of late but will most likely play more then the others. Though he is in Vegas right now so doubt he will play this week...

Any thoughts/suggestions

Otolia

France5805 Posts

January 09 2013 17:27 GMT

#383

On January 10 2013 02:23 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Okay so... I'm going to trade Reality, just haven't decided for who yet... Best options I can really see are

1)Flying -As pointed out earlier though not a very good option
2)Mind - Don't think he'll get played(Or win) that often but gets free points when KT wins...
3)HoeJJa - I have 0 clue about his skill level in Sc2, might have picked him up if it was the play offs...Also free KT points...
4)Puma - not the best results as of late but will most likely play more then the others. Though he is in Vegas right now so doubt he will play this week...

Any thoughts/suggestions

You could try to jump on sSak's train while he is still at the platform. There is no point in trading before the starters are announced.

Zeon0

Austria2995 Posts

January 09 2013 17:30 GMT

#384

On January 10 2013 02:04 Necro)Phagist( wrote:

Show nested quote +

I don't think herO's time is over at all and thought he had stronger PvP but I was wrong. As for Stephano, yea he might get some kills but for the points he was worth picking teams it was a steal for anti team. I don't buy the Stephano hype, his play never really impressed me and I expect the Kespa players to pick him apart in all honesty. I'm very sad I won't have him on my anti team.

your SKT1 badge tells me you are from a BW background? I think (and dont judge me for my opinion) you guys overrate the average Kespa players. Yes, Rain, Flash, etc are very good, but we see this week how the average player does in the Up&Downs, even aces like Shy get slaughtered. On the other hand, EGTL underperforms in PL. I dont think anyone thinks, that two 4-0 from KT vs EGTL was a real assessment of their skills (might be wrong here, so many KT/Flash fanbois^^)

However, maybe I am wrong and the Kespa players really closed the gap, but I just cant believe that because of all the GSL results

Necro)Phagist(

Canada6518 Posts

January 09 2013 17:31 GMT

#385

On January 10 2013 02:27 Otolia wrote:

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You could try to jump on sSak's train while he is still at the platform. There is no point in trading before the starters are announced.

I wasn't planning on trading until the line ups are out. Just trying to get a general idea of who I like more. The lineups usually come out on Thursday right?

Haha if sSak starts this week(Since I have nothing to lose) I will 100% jump all over that train

Necro)Phagist(

Canada6518 Posts

January 09 2013 17:36 GMT

#386

On January 10 2013 02:30 Zeon0 wrote:

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your SKT1 badge tells me you are from a BW background? I think (and dont judge me for my opinion) you guys overrate the average Kespa players. Yes, Rain, Flash, etc are very good, but we see this week how the average player does in the Up&Downs, even aces like Shy get slaughtered. On the other hand, EGTL underperforms in PL. I dont think anyone thinks, that two 4-0 from KT vs EGTL was a real assessment of their skills (might be wrong here, so many KT/Flash fanbois^^)

However, maybe I am wrong and the Kespa players really closed the gap, but I just cant believe that because of all the GSL results

I started very late in BW but I still like to think of myself as having a BW background

. Proleague is a different beast then GSL and I'm still not convinced Stephano will do any better in the GSL anyway. I think a lot of Kespa players have closed the gap to within and even distance(Slight advantage to eSF players still). It's not that I'm over rating kespa players it's more that I think Stephano is highly over rated.

Zeon0

Austria2995 Posts

January 09 2013 17:48 GMT

#387

But he consistently beats the best of the eSF players, you cant deny that. Ofc most of this games happen overseas and Koreans are better on their home turf. I dont think Stephano will allkill Kespa teams with ease, I just think he is on par with the top Kespa players, like Flash, Rain, Fantasy, Soulkey etc. (with advantages in vT and disadvantages vZ) and he is able do so.

Lets look at the players above Stephano (tradevalues):

1	Flash	KT	11	51.43	
4	Fantasy	SKT	8	43.57
3	Shy	WJS	10	42.86
43	Rain	SKT	1	40.71
1	Wooki	KT	11	37.14			
12	Effort	CJ	5	35.71
15	herO	CJ	4	34.29	
43	TaeJa	EGL	1	33.57
4	JangBi	SAM	8	32.86
18	Bogus	STX	2	31.43	
18	Soulkey	WJS	2	31.43
43	Baby	T8	1	30.00
43	Stepha	EGL	1	30.00

players i think are weaker than Stephano
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1	Flash	KT	11	51.43	
4	Fantasy	SKT	8	43.57
3	Shy	WJS	10	42.86 <--
43	Rain	SKT	1	40.71
1	Wooki	KT	11	37.14 <--		
12	Effort	CJ	5	35.71 <--
15	herO	CJ	4	34.29 <--		 
43	TaeJa	EGL	1	33.57
4	JangBi	SAM	8	32.86 <--
18	Bogus	STX	2	31.43	
18	Soulkey	WJS	2	31.43
43	Baby	T8	1	30.00 <--
43	Stepha	EGL	1	30.00

not sure about Soulkey/Bogus, if it wasnt for their GSL runs i would consider them weaker for sure ...

rest = same level as Stephano, dont think anyone of them is really better than him

R1CH

Netherlands10340 Posts

January 09 2013 18:05 GMT

#388

On January 10 2013 01:56 blagoonga123 wrote:
ah finally a link to FPL on the front page. good call!
Now just please fix the detailed page!

I put the detail page back, keep in mind it's not designed for the all-kill format so some of the stats won't make sense.

Brobe

United States75 Posts

January 09 2013 18:16 GMT

#389

Don't worry guys, I am the FPL curse. Every player I take under performs and every player on my anti goes above their skill.
This round I decided to ride the SKT T1 wagon, grabbed Fantasy and Rain plus the team. I thought with two aces they couldn't lose Winners League, but I also put JYP on the anti so I'd like to apologize to all SKT T1 fans. Don't worry I'll take Flash next round.

Zeon0

Austria2995 Posts

January 09 2013 18:19 GMT

#390

Write me a pm with your team before next round starts, ok?^^

And plz get rid of hyvva on your anti

blagoonga123

United States2068 Posts

January 09 2013 18:48 GMT

#391

On January 10 2013 03:05 R1CH wrote:

Show nested quote +

I put the detail page back, keep in mind it's not designed for the all-kill format so some of the stats won't make sense.

Nice, thanks R1CH!

blagoonga123

United States2068 Posts

January 09 2013 18:50 GMT

#392

I traded Speed for Stephano on my anti I hope that doesn't end up biting me in the ass.
I wonder if I should trade Trap for Hyvaa or something, trap has been the biggest disappointment :/ I wish I picked up Terminator or someone instead (or better yet, speed)

Then again last round I did literally the second worst trade possible, so I'm pretty used to making bad trades haha

Zenbrez

Canada5973 Posts

January 09 2013 18:59 GMT

#393

Why do I have 1 point for Idra? He isn't even in Korea yet :O

blagoonga123

United States2068 Posts

January 09 2013 19:03 GMT

#394

On January 10 2013 03:59 Zenbrez wrote:
Why do I have 1 point for Idra? He isn't even in Korea yet :O

if EG wins all EG players get a point

nooboon

2602 Posts

January 09 2013 19:41 GMT

#395

Okay guys, before lineups are announced how is this trade.
(Z)

RorO for

Revival.

I don't want to trade RorO because he could get hot at any time, get some valuable points and may carry KHAN but Revival is just a solid pick. Revival is good and he is on a good (when it wants to be) team.

Keeping Roro on my team is the more risky option.

Mambo

Denmark1338 Posts

January 09 2013 19:43 GMT

#396

I love that there is now a direct link to FPL next to the liquibets, thank you.

antilyon

Brazil2546 Posts

January 09 2013 19:50 GMT

#397

On January 10 2013 04:41 nooboon wrote:
Okay guys, before lineups are announced how is this trade.
(Z)

RorO for

But Roro will probably play every Khan match, and the Revival probably won't.

Poopi

France12750 Posts

January 09 2013 19:51 GMT

#398

On January 10 2013 04:41 nooboon wrote:
Okay guys, before lineups are announced how is this trade.
(Z)

RorO for

The problem is that with Stephano coming to korea and Jaedong having finished his Up&Down group, there will be 2 other zergs so even though Revival is good, you can't really know if he will be fielded.
Roro on the other hand will always be fielded, but you won't know when he will start to grab some kills. Since his team is doing badly I think Roro is less risky but has a less potential reward, whereas Revival is riskier (he has to be fielded, then he has to do kills, whereas Roro only has to do kills because he WILL be fielded) but with higher reward (Revival is performing better than Roro especially in teamleagues).

Your call.

Otolia

France5805 Posts

January 09 2013 22:34 GMT

#399

This post is a cross-post from my blog, if you would like to comment on it, I would really appreciate if you could write your post here.

Team :

SK Telecom T1 (4p)

Traditionally one can expect a team like SKT to do well in Winner's League due to their aces. What they lack in depths compare to WJS, EG-TL or KT they make up by having a very strong 3-man team with soO, FanTaSy and Rain. Still they got their asses handed to themselves by EG-TL. Now it's not a huge upset as EG-TL is still one of the stronger team around but in my FPL team, it's a huge deal. Until KT finally comes back to earth (having a +21 map score is indecent), I am competing against those whose faith will never stop. As such it was a bad week.

It's unlikely I will ever trade them because it would mean that either Team 8 becomes so reliable it starts rolling over everyone or WJS starts falling down so hard they hit rock bottom. I am starting to regret being greedy for my first week and not picking Stars. We'll see ...

Captain : (P)

sOs (8p) - sOs got the job done this week. I am still wondering why he didn't get more wins against CJ but his closing against Khan was clutch despite not being flashy. Soulkey has lost his only game so far and it might shaped the form of the WJS team for this round : Opener, free (or another sniper), Soulkey (or ZerO) and sOs.

Players :

Wooki (11p) - I don't know what to say. KT players are doing extremely good this PL and Wooki might even be ranked ahead of Stats in their internal rankings. Kept
Bbyong (3p) - I didn't picked Bbyong so that he can rack me points but he is, until further notice, the top terran on CJ which means he will play a reasonable amount of time. I think he may open next week as Entus faces EG-TL with Neo Planet S as the first map. I could find someone who could win more but not likely someone who will play more for his price. Kept
Revival (7p) - I knew Jaedong and Stephano wouldn't be there the first week and I choose Revival as he was the only all-around zerg in the line-up. He failed against Flash but managed to defeat both soO and Rain to claim EG-TL win. Opportunity Trade
BeSt (3p) - He had one job, beating Last and increasing in value. I only picked him because he started this week but it may have been a mistake. sSak was played over him this week but he also lost. Among the untested and still somewhat reliable SKT players this week, there is s2. Possible Trade
Light (3p) - monk had his doubt, I was betting on him still being sufficiently good at SC2. I still don't know where he stands, but with the presence of BrAvO as a sniper, I think he won't play next week. I believe he still got it but the competition he faces on WJS might be too hard to overcome. Likely Traded

Anti - team :

Jaedong (7p) - As predicted, Jaedong didn't play. Now I have evaluate the likeliness of him playing next week. EG-TL have a rather quiet week but they might not have the room to take a break. Possible Trade
hyvaa (4p) - A bad player on a bad team. Kept
Major (2p) - Team 8 won once but I don't think MajOr is ready yet plus Team 8 faces KT and SKT this week. Kept

Ilzhahkha

9 Posts

January 09 2013 22:43 GMT

#400

I think there is an endless debate that can be done about trading and the EGTL-team which kinda makes them all high risk compared to invested points.

1. Stephano is there now, and they will likely field him soon
2. Even if it can be done, it's probably unlikely that they will field 3 zerg in a all-kill round with both HerO and Taeja around
3. They might want to let Jaedong rest after his games in the Wildcard group.

Starting player for EGTL is very important, and since EGTL should be favored against CJ (as well as Khan later this week) you might not see that many players at all this week. Also RorO is probably good to have in the first match this week against STX but unless you think he will grab several wins against EGTL might be a liability after that.

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