Round 1 of FPL is over and here are our top 10 finishers!
Congratulations especially to our winner, TerrorTerran, who was the first place finisher in 3 out of four weeks for this round with his almost all KT Rolster Team. I sat down with TerrorTerran to get his thoughts on how to succeed in FPL. Maybe his tips will help out for round 2!
Inside the mind of a FPL winner: TerrorTerran's Tips to success! + Show Spoiler +
Q: Congrats on winning Season 1 Round 1 of SC2 FPL. Can you introduce yourself and your BW/SC2 background?
TerrorTerran: Hello my name is Rodrigo, most known in the BW scene as TerrOr. I am 20 years old and I've been in TL since 2008 if I am not mistaken. I tried SC2 during the beta phase but never spent too much practicing so I stick with BW n.n
Q: So I take it you've played BW FPL before? How did you do there and did you learn anything from that?
TT: Well I played FPL before but never spent too much time on those seasons, never did trades and always stuck with the same team until the end. I even tried the Fantasy GSTL where I failed hard, but I learned that picking Flash always pays off and to keep tracking of which players may do better in the future. That's why I picked some KT players this season like Wooki or Crazy-hydra.
Q: You picked an almost all KT team this round. Was this because you thought all KT players just happened to be undervalued this round or do you think it's always a good strategy to pick an entire team?
TT: I think this round KT players were really undervalued due to their poor showing in the hybrid league where they finished just before Air Force iirc. To be honest, I don't think relying on one team is a good strategy. Even when picking 5 KT players, I knew that at least 1 player would lose or wouldn't be playing. I guess this round I got lucky KT showed a strong performance.
Q: How much did you look at lineups when picking your team and trading? Did the fact that KT faced a weakened EG-TL in the first match affect your decision at all?
TT: When choosing my team, the only player I knew I will pick no matter his cost was Flash as I am a really big fan of him. Then I have to admit after seeing the line ups and that KT was facing EG-TL, I pick my players based on that. I was planning to trade KT after week 1 for Stars but after their 4-0 over EG-TL, I stuck with them and it seems it was the right call. For trading I checked line-ups and that's why I traded Hydra for Shine because Hydra was facing in week 2, Hero and Bogus, if I am not mistaken. I didn't expect him to win any of those and I saw that Shine had some weak opponents so I went for that trade. Later I had to fix my mistake and picked Ryul2.
Q: Round 2 will be an all-kill format. How will you adjust your strategies and team selections based on this format change?
TT: For this round I think picking players from the same team is a bad strategy. The all-kill format gives teams the chance to prepare special snipers against the top players that may be unknown for us, so I think picking key players from different teams who may take 1 or 2 wins per match could be a good strategy. Also trading will be more difficult because we won't be able to see which players are going to play each week, so it will be us guessing which players teams may be sending depending who are they facing, so that will be interesting
Q: I'll let you have a sneak peek at the values for round 2. From a first look at these values, do you see standout player(s) to pick on either the main team or anti-team?
TT: I see Wooki has double his previous value but I really want him on my team. For anti-team I will go with Stephano. I would have picked him since week 1 last round but he was locked. I think if he gets to play he will need time to adapt so maybe he will lose a couple of games before he destroys everyone as many people are saying. [Editor's Note: Stephano will not be in Korea round 1 and cannot be initially picked on your anti-team.
Q: Why do you especially like Wooki? Is it something you saw about him in his play?
TT: I saw all KT games this season and even though I am not an expert in sc2, Wooki gave me the impression to be a very solid player. Despite being a rookie, he is 5-1. I think you could say the same about Stats but he was already a very solid player while Wooki seems to have so much potential.
Q: Cool, do you have any final tips for people playing FPL or anything else you'd like to say?
TT: Well first I want to thank TL for making Proleague so much fun to follow. Also, I am really happy after their announcement about the Legacy Starleague. And for everyone out there playing FPL, have fun and I expect to crush all of you again this round!
Oh, and in case you're wondering, the best possible team without trades: + Show Spoiler +
And make sure you check out this little project, which is trying to find the optimal team with trades!
Round 2, Fight
And with that, we conclude round 1. Proleague, of course, gives us no breaks and round 2 will be just right around the corner starting on Saturday 5th. This gives you a little under two days to enter in your teams. Instead of having predetermined match-ups, this round will be bo7 all-kill format, making FPL results even more volatile and perhaps even more fun! After all, there's always a chance for one of your players to strike it big for your team and push to you the top.
Once again, play! It's fun, easy, and makes watching Proleague much more exciting. You don't need to spend any time on managing your team during the season if you don't want to. If you don't fully understand the rules, don't worry. The basic thing to remember is, pick players for your "Main Team" that you think will do well, and pick players for your "Anti Team" who you think will do poorly.
Here are some important facts to know going into Round 2:
Revival will be available to play from match one. You are free to pick him on either your main or anti-team.
Stephano will be available to play from week 2 onward. This means that once again, you cannot initially pick Stephano to be on your anti-team. He will be available to trade in week two, however.
Demuslim will be available to play from week 3 onward. He will be disabled on the anti-team until right before week 3.
No idea about Major, pick at your own risk. You are free to pick him on either your main or anti-team.
Make sure you check out the new scoring rules for winners league! Major changes include:
Streak Break rules changed
No more ace matches, so no more ace match rules
Team scoring has changed slightly in order to ensure it's not as possible to dominate just by picking one entire team.(Our version of a balance patch)
How to Play
You choose 6 players and 1 Pro Team that score points when they play well.
You pick 3 players for your Anti-team as well. They lose you points when they play well.
Players and teams can be traded between weeks for those valued less than them.
Lineup Appearance: +1 Point* Game Win: +2 Points Game Loss: -1 Point 2-Game Streak Break: +1 Point** 3-Game Streak Break: +2 Points** Your Player's Team Wins: +1 Point***
*Only counts once, i.e. if Flash goes 4-0, he still only gets 1 appearance point **Streaks do not carry over between matches, all streaks must occur in the same match. Breaking a streak means your player has dethroned a player who's already gotten 2+ wins. ***This counts for all players on the team's roster, even if they did not play in the match.
KT Rolster: 3 Points (+2 for 4-2 Victory) EG-Liquid: 0 Points (0 for 2-4 Defeat) Flash 7 Points (+1 for lineup, +2 for win, +2 for win +2 for win, -1 for loss, +1 for team win) Jaedong: 6 Points (+1 for lineup, +2 for win, +2 for 3-game streak break, +2 for win, -1 for loss) Stats: 5 Points (+1 for lineup, +2 for win, +1 for 2-game streak break, +1 for team win) Wooki: 1 Point (+1 for lineup, -1 for loss, +1 for team win) Hero: 0 Points (+1 for lineup, -1 for loss) Stephano: 0 Points (+1 for lineup, -1 for loss) Taeja: 0 Points (+1 for lineup, -1 for loss) Everyone else on KT Rolster: 1 Point (+1 for team win) Everyone else on EG-TL: 0 Points
Check lineups each week! Players facing weak teams are generally more valuable.
Don't make trades just for sake of making trades, as they cost you trade tax points and you may get stuck with a player you don't want
The trade price formula takes into account number of matches remaining -- so players with more matches remaining will have higher prices
You must trade for players with less value, but try to minimize the value loss. For example, if you trade someone worth 30 for someone worth 20, next week you can only trade the 20 for someone less. It's much better to trade the 30 for someone worth 29.
Groups
You will be able to create and join groups so you can compare your results with a smaller subset of the players, for example there might be a Staff Group, a First Time FPL Group, a USA Players Group, or a group created by you with just your friends.
On January 03 2013 17:09 Inflicted_ wrote: Scoring example is wrong. (Has the wrong team as winner in Everyone else...) + Show Spoiler [Show Example] +
KT Rolster vs EG-Liquid Everyone else on EG-TL: 1 Point (+1 for team win) Everyone else on KT Rolster: 0 Points
Thanks. A mistake cause I copied the example from last round where I had EG-TL win. Thought it was time for KT to win. =P
On January 03 2013 17:11 Scrandom wrote: " Cannot choose players who are unable to play in Week 1 for anti-team."
Can I not pick stephano?
Stephano will be available to play from week 2 onward. This means that once again, you cannot initially pick Stephano to be on your anti-team. He will be available to trade in week two, however.
I'm really really tempted to put a 9+ pointer on my anti team so I can get both huk and idra ( who I think won't play any games, and if they do, lose every one. )
Stephano will be available to play from week 2 onward. This means that once again, you cannot initially pick Stephano to be on your anti-team. He will be available to trade in week two, however.
On January 03 2013 17:18 Dodgin wrote: I'm really really tempted to put a 9+ pointer on my anti team so I can get both huk and idra ( who I think won't play any games, and if they do, lose every one. )
I put Effort on my anti team. He's worth an 8. Might be suicide tbh
On January 03 2013 17:18 Dodgin wrote: I'm really really tempted to put a 9+ pointer on my anti team so I can get both huk and idra ( who I think won't play any games, and if they do, lose every one. )
I considered it but then you are looking at Rain Flash Fantasy or Taeja. I know some people might want Fantasy on anti but remember he was 2nd biggest point gain last session and he can probably run off a few wins back to back.
On January 03 2013 17:18 Dodgin wrote: I'm really really tempted to put a 9+ pointer on my anti team so I can get both huk and idra ( who I think won't play any games, and if they do, lose every one. )
I considered it but then you are looking at Rain Flash Fantasy or Taeja. I know some people might want Fantasy on anti but remember he was 2nd biggest point gain last session and he can probably run off a few wins back to back.
In the end I decided to go with Effort at 8 points, then Zenio for 3 and I can choose between HuK or Idra for the last player.
Anyone have an opinion on huk vs idra on anti team? who is most likely to not play any games?
On January 03 2013 17:18 Dodgin wrote: I'm really really tempted to put a 9+ pointer on my anti team so I can get both huk and idra ( who I think won't play any games, and if they do, lose every one. )
I considered it but then you are looking at Rain Flash Fantasy or Taeja. I know some people might want Fantasy on anti but remember he was 2nd biggest point gain last session and he can probably run off a few wins back to back.
In the end I decided to go with Effort at 8 points, then Zenio for 3 and I can choose between HuK or Idra for the last player.
Anyone have an opinion on huk vs idra on anti team? who is most likely to not play any games?
Idra, he's 100% focused on HOTS. HuK will also be playing in the Up & Downs.
On January 03 2013 17:18 Dodgin wrote: I'm really really tempted to put a 9+ pointer on my anti team so I can get both huk and idra ( who I think won't play any games, and if they do, lose every one. )
I considered it but then you are looking at Rain Flash Fantasy or Taeja. I know some people might want Fantasy on anti but remember he was 2nd biggest point gain last session and he can probably run off a few wins back to back.
In the end I decided to go with Effort at 8 points, then Zenio for 3 and I can choose between HuK or Idra for the last player.
Anyone have an opinion on huk vs idra on anti team? who is most likely to not play any games?
I would say pick Idra because he seems to be playing way more hots whereas Huk actually played last round. Not to mention Huk is probably 2nd or 3rd best protoss on him team whereas I would say Idra is probably 4th best zerg on the team once they are all in Korea.
On January 03 2013 17:18 Dodgin wrote: I'm really really tempted to put a 9+ pointer on my anti team so I can get both huk and idra ( who I think won't play any games, and if they do, lose every one. )
I considered it but then you are looking at Rain Flash Fantasy or Taeja. I know some people might want Fantasy on anti but remember he was 2nd biggest point gain last session and he can probably run off a few wins back to back.
In the end I decided to go with Effort at 8 points, then Zenio for 3 and I can choose between HuK or Idra for the last player.
Anyone have an opinion on huk vs idra on anti team? who is most likely to not play any games?
I'd say IdrA simply because there are so many other Zerg options already (JD, Revival, Zenio, Stephano) whereas there are only three Protoss (JYP, HerO, HuK) and if a Protoss is needed (especially during a foreign event weekend), HuK will be an option.
Grrr im torn on which big pointer I want on my team. Flash is amazing but he seems to have weakness in TvT and in all-kill format that can get you sniped. Taeja is still Taeja but he hasnt come thru in those Ace matches which makes me nervous. I wanna pick Fantasy cause he got me so many points last round but I feel nervous about it with how stacked SKT that he wont be getting many multi kills just because they will win so fast.
I am going to have a go and see how i do (even though i think i will do very badly) :> Should make proleague even more fun to watch than it already is!
On January 03 2013 18:21 J1.au wrote: TL seriously handed out an icon for that? I won't even get into the interview, what a joke. Lmao.
User was warned for this post
I don't agree with the tone he took, but I do think it's kinda of a joke to reward an icon for the first round of a completely unknown league... It devalues everyone else's icons that were rewarded for an entire season with alot of thought and work put into it.
On January 03 2013 18:52 HolydaKing wrote: Anti team is way too hard T_T I ended up picking Jangbi, he seemed like the lesser evil of all the guys worth some points. Could be fail of course.
I did the same thing... Not starting the first week plus meh results seems good enough to me!
I took a ton of chances with my all-kill squad and had to sacrifice a few favourites of mine in Taeja and picking KT Rolster to have group that all have a chance of doing a lot of damage in this format.
On January 03 2013 18:21 J1.au wrote: TL seriously handed out an icon for that? I won't even get into the interview, what a joke. Lmao.
User was warned for this post
I don't agree with the tone he took, but I do think it's kinda of a joke to reward an icon for the first round of a completely unknown league... It devalues everyone else's icons that were rewarded for an entire season with alot of thought and work put into it.
My bad, I was mistaken. The icon is for the winner of this entire season. I've edited the OP to reflect my mistake. Interviews still stand though. =)
I'm not looking forward to this round so much, the GSTL fantasy league just became who had the most points from their other 5 players and anti team and also chose DRG. The question is who'll be the undervalued beast this season who'll be unaffordable by week 2.
Q: You picked an almost all KT team this round. Was this because you thought all KT players just happened to be undervalued this round or do you think it's always a good strategy to pick an entire team? Because Bisu sucks.
On January 03 2013 20:31 Eufouria wrote: I'm not looking forward to this round so much, the GSTL fantasy league just became who had the most points from their other 5 players and anti team and also chose DRG. The question is who'll be the undervalued beast this season who'll be unaffordable by week 2.
Q: You picked an almost all KT team this round. Was this because you thought all KT players just happened to be undervalued this round or do you think it's always a good strategy to pick an entire team? Because Bisu sucks.
A true KT fanboy would've answered this.
Yes but lets be fair, what DRG did that season was basically all kill every single team he faced like clockwork. It was disturbing to watch every player lose then him step up and reverse all kill every single week.
Also I just realised that with only 4 players per team being sent out I might have to rethink my picks.
First time taking part in a Fantasy League I first picked all the players without paying notice the point-restrictions. I think my final team looks nothing like the first picks.
On January 03 2013 18:21 J1.au wrote: TL seriously handed out an icon for that? I won't even get into the interview, what a joke. Lmao.
User was warned for this post
I don't agree with the tone he took, but I do think it's kinda of a joke to reward an icon for the first round of a completely unknown league... It devalues everyone else's icons that were rewarded for an entire season with alot of thought and work put into it.
My bad, I was mistaken. The icon is for the winner of this entire season. I've edited the OP to reflect my mistake. Interviews still stand though. =)
Thank God.
Still don't quite understand the backlash over my earlier comment. I finished in 5th position that round. This guy did nothing but pick a KT team and get lucky just like me. The interview is amusing in that context, which is how I saw it. An interview with someone who actually plays FPL and trades would've been more interesting.
I feel like all-kill format favours the top players and therefore it might be beneficial just to buy 3 great players and spend the leftover points on weak players (from strong teams though) who are likely not to be even fielded. Hopefully it doesn't turn out like that.
On a positive note I'm glad teams can't score as much as last season.
Bah, so me starting late and "starting on even ground" as someone says menas paying more for people I'd have chosen anyway and whose values have since gone up! >:O I also didn't realise All-Kill format kicked in so soon. How do seasons work these days? 2 weeks of First to 4 wins, 2 weeks of All-kill, cycling?
well so I'm convinced that sOs will do very well since I have been kinda impressed with some of his matches (didn't manage to see that many though) and I think he has the potential to score even better than last round (where he did quite ok) orignially I didn't want to pick an EGTL player because taeja was overpriced imo and I think he is still going to earn a lot of points but then I saw Revival as a potential starting player for many matches and I'm quite sure that he will gather some wins before losing to the really big guns out there (if he manages to win his opening match) I picked classic because I needed a T and didn't have many points left over ^^ team 8 was so cheap that I thought " well they have a couple of good players and they reached a 3-4 score (same as liquideg) and are somehow soo much cheaper than egtl so I thought it would be a good decision to pick them as for hyvaa and roro ... I generally like the way roro plays and I really hope he is going to do well this round and hyvaa was just kinda random tbh I had some points left and thought well he's zerg so maaaaaybe he is going to do better than the t's and p's in the same price category (and no I'm not saying anything is imbalanced....)
for the anti team I always felt like JYP was incredibly overrated + he is on egtl so he is probably not going to get a lot of wins with jaedong, stephano, taeja and hero there... same for zenio but even easier well and I didn't really think all to much about dear I just saw his name on the list and was kinda inclined to pick him for some reason ^^
On January 03 2013 21:22 Fuchsteufelswild wrote: Bah, so me starting late and "starting on even ground" as someone says menas paying more for people I'd have chosen anyway and whose values have since gone up! >:O I also didn't realise All-Kill format kicked in so soon. How do seasons work these days? 2 weeks of First to 4 wins, 2 weeks of All-kill, cycling?
I believe there are two rounds that are all kill, the second round and the 5th if memory serves me right. All other rounds are normal SPL format.
I wanted to go with several players of a team, seemed to work last round, but with KT being very expensive i didnt get them, EGTL has yet to prove they have raliable ace against all races (altho thats a smaller issue this round cuz of allkill) so i went with SKT. Because they have by.Rain and Fanta they have two powerhouses that can be used as ace/closer and who both seem to be good at all matchups so they will be hard to snipe. Rain was too expensive imo so i took fanta as my captain. I was impressed with JYP last season, and for 5 points decided to pick him up and hope he keeps his performance up. At the very least he can be a good vP and vZ sniper, could prove valuable as both Taeja and Hero seem to have some issues now and again against top P and Z players. Wooki was another player that impressed me alot and he is on KT so even if he doesnt win every match, he will most likely still net me some points. Didnt have alot of points left so went with JyJ, Revival and Hyuk and hope they perform. Chose Revival because he's already being played first week. My anti-team was harder to pick this time around, last time hyvaa was worth it the first week, Trap and Stork are on weaker teams so i hope they wont wreck me too hard...
I just looked at all the players. And I still have to complain about the low numbers of 5/4 points players compared to the number of 3p players. I'll write a analysis of the players today as well as post the format I used to post my recaps so that everyone can use them.
Taeja is the cheapest of the good aces. It was either Taeja or Fantasy for captain and since Rain is likely to take a lot of wins, Fantasy's winning streaks may be much reduced. In EGTL only Taeja is consistent enough to go on streaks.
SK Telecom T1 for team because Rain doesn't lose, and Fantasy can pick off whoever is left. All that for 4 points :p
Bbyong is undervalued (he's a perfectly respectable Terran), Crazy-Hydra should be fine for 5 points. Jaehoon was a forced pick as I had to pick someone with 4 points, and Jaehoon seems to be one of the better players in T8. I have no idea why Last, OSL 4th place, is worth only 3 so there we go. Thorzain is a cheap player who has actually beat someone and is played reasonably often.
I did not pick a lot of starting players (only Last). Flash > Revival probably but I can't afford Flash. The other starting players aren't that good...
Antiteam:
Bisu, sorry you don't get SC2. really. hyvaa: Went 1-5 last round. Still worth 4. JangBi: you don't get SC2 either.
I just wanna say that for a all-kill format, zergs are a better pick than for regular bo1 with preparation time. Unless they are overevaluated (like Jaedong for example), I think the best fantasy proleaguer will have many zergs in their roaster.
On January 03 2013 22:55 Thurken wrote: I just wanna say that for a all-kill format, zergs are a better pick than for regular bo1 with preparation time. Unless they are overevaluated (like Jaedong for example), I think the best fantasy proleaguer will have many zergs in their roaster.
Normally I would agree, but I think going for Zergs is worse in all kill format in pl, because pl uses some weird maps on which they can't close their eyes and make broodlords. I feel like Protoss who can do solid allins or some big boss Terrans like Taeja or maybe someone like Fantasy/Flash will be more useful this round.
On January 03 2013 22:27 Arceus wrote: when is the deadline for registering? My laptop broke down and I wont be able to get a new one until late tomorrow
How come you could abuse Stephano on anti-team when he wasn't even in Korea last round, but this round when he will be in Korea for Code S (and most likely play some Proleague match) you can't pick him?
On January 03 2013 23:03 Gosi wrote: How come you could abuse Stephano on anti-team when he wasn't even in Korea last round, but this round when he will be in Korea for Code S (and most likely play some Proleague match) you can't pick him?
You couldn't initially pick Stephano on anti-team last season either. We just weren't sure of Stephano's schedule last season. This season, we know for sure he'll be in Korea by week 2, so you just can't pick him week 1.
On January 03 2013 22:55 Thurken wrote: I just wanna say that for a all-kill format, zergs are a better pick than for regular bo1 with preparation time. Unless they are overevaluated (like Jaedong for example), I think the best fantasy proleaguer will have many zergs in their roaster.
Normally I would agree, but I think going for Zergs is worse in all kill format in pl, because pl uses some weird maps on which they can't close their eyes and make broodlords. I feel like Protoss who can do solid allins or some big boss Terrans like Taeja or maybe someone like Fantasy/Flash will be more useful this round.
I agree with you. I used to overrate the importance of zergs in PL. Even though they don't have preparation time for specific players, they can prepare for specific maps, which is more than enough to allow protoss and terrans to shine.
I feel like Revival can (and will?) all-kill KT this first match, if he has time to adjust to the maps. He has a scary potential in teamleague but there are a lot of great players on EGTL for only 4 places, so his only apparent "weakness" as a FPL pick is that he might not have enough playtime. However they are sending him first...
I will still keep Bbyong instead of Revival in my main team because I think picking the latter is quite a gamble (what if he just loses to Flash and they stop sending him?) but I'm almost certain he will screw me by winning big.
On January 03 2013 17:22 DOUDOU wrote: always thought we were carrying our team for every round, i guess having stephano as a long term investment was a really bad idea
I thought this too and am disappointed they haven't made the format clear from the beginning.
This is not so important for the all-kill format, but for the next regular round I would suggest you do something against "one team" teams the same way you do not allow "one race" teams. The way it is now it is best to just pick one team and all/many of its members and hope it will do well because of the bonus points for team wins and because it is likely that if your team wins the players also win. We had two rounds of mono team wins in a row (KT/SKT) and it is likely going to repeat if no additional rules are installed.
I would suggest for the next regular rounds that you are allowed to only pick 2 or 3 players of the same team.
Is Action highly overrated or am I crazy? sure he has good Stats for S1, but look at his opponents, there is only one good one (sOs) and (surprise, surprise) he lost that match^^
And anyone else putting all his hopse on WJS? I just had to, cause of the good draw in W1^^
I completely agree about Action, but he still at least seems solid and some people go for combinations of more mid-tier players with one strong one and one or more 1 pointers. We'll have to see, but it seems like while KT as a team (3 points last round? WTF?!?!) and some players including Action were underrated last round, some may have 'overperformed' and might now be rated too highly. I can't see who it was now, but there was at least one player who lost more than they won but was really only losing to very strong players. Due to racial and tiny point limitations, I didn't choose either Free or Light but I think they might be good choices for their 3 point values.
On January 03 2013 17:22 DOUDOU wrote: always thought we were carrying our team for every round, i guess having stephano as a long term investment was a really bad idea
I thought this too and am disappointed they haven't made the format clear from the beginning.
On January 03 2013 17:22 DOUDOU wrote: always thought we were carrying our team for every round, i guess having stephano as a long term investment was a really bad idea
I thought this too and am disappointed they haven't made the format clear from the beginning.
Yeah, this!!
It was made clear, at least I knew it from the start because I read it here. Not sure if it was in the OP of the threads or they posted it in the comments, but I'm very certain they told us how it would go.
On January 04 2013 01:48 Zeon0 wrote: Is Action highly overrated or am I crazy? sure he has good Stats for S1, but look at his opponents, there is only one good one (sOs) and (surprise, surprise) he lost that match^^
And anyone else putting all his hopse on WJS? I just had to, cause of the good draw in W1^^
I think WJS will do very well, but getting more than like two players from one team doesn't make much sense because there's only so many players who can get a lot of points in a BO7 by getting streaks. You should probably rather branch out and get players from a bunch of different good teams. A full KT team for example won't do nearly as well this time.
Picking an Anti-Team is SOOOOOOOOOO hard. I had a pretty easy time finding a Team- couple of my favorites still a bit undervalued IMO. But I'm having trouble finding anyone who I think is OVER valued. Going with a 3 mid range players seems like a bad strat... and so does doing the 1 player with 8 or 9 and a couple of 2's. Very hard anti this time
Goddamn. Fantasy is 9 points? So tempting, like a forbidden fruit.
Every single 1-pointer seems worthless, even more so in an all-kill format. Sure, maybe a 1-pointer will successfully snipe, but then he'll lose the next game.
I don't think any of the 8+ pointers are worth it. I got burned by Effort last round, not making the same mistake again. Flash looks nice at 10 but is Flash plus a 1 pointer really going to get more points than say, a 6 and a 5 on your team?
On January 04 2013 02:16 Fuchsteufelswild wrote: EDIT:
On January 03 2013 23:22 Luftmensch wrote:
On January 03 2013 17:22 DOUDOU wrote: always thought we were carrying our team for every round, i guess having stephano as a long term investment was a really bad idea
I thought this too and am disappointed they haven't made the format clear from the beginning.
Yeah, this!!
It was made clear, at least I knew it from the start because I read it here. Not sure if it was in the OP of the threads or they posted it in the comments, but I'm very certain they told us how it would go.
oh i'm sure it was written somewhere, i just didn't take the time to read carefully
On January 03 2013 17:18 Dodgin wrote: I'm really really tempted to put a 9+ pointer on my anti team so I can get both huk and idra ( who I think won't play any games, and if they do, lose every one. )
True, but at the same time they get points whenever their team wins, and if you don't think a team with Taeja, Hero, Revival, and Stephano won't be winning matches this round in all kill format I think you'll be sadly mistaken. Picking one of them might be okay, but picking two means you might lose up to 12 points from those two alone without them needing to play a single match. Lets say EGTL wins four matches, you lose eight points from them simply by having them on your anti team. Not an insurmountable loss, but I think you could pick a better anti team than that.
Now that I better understand what an anti team is, I won't be throwing hero[join], shy, and flying up there. My anti team had more Points than my actual team.
Can we have the names changed so that they are the same everywhere? As an example we have "sOs" presented in lineups and in the Liquipedia records, but it's "Shy" in everything FPL related. I know it's a touchy subject for some + Show Spoiler +
On January 04 2013 03:28 AlternativeEgo wrote: Can we have the names changed so that they are the same everywhere? As an example we have "sOs" presented in lineups and in the Liquipedia records, but it's "Shy" in everything FPL related. I know it's a touchy subject for some + Show Spoiler +
you silly ultraconservatives :p
but let's bring some order to the game, m'kay?
This is a good point. We'll work on fixing this by next round. We just have to coordinate FPL, TL news, Liquipedia, and TLPD.
On January 04 2013 04:06 Musicus wrote: Does anybody know if Idra will be in Korea for round 2? I still think he is worth the 2 points.
even if he is, he's probably their 7th in line to play, and each match only allows 4 participants. sure he might get the odd rotation into the lineup, but he's going to be next to worthless, besides the free pts he picks up for being on a winning team.
On January 04 2013 04:06 Musicus wrote: Does anybody know if Idra will be in Korea for round 2? I still think he is worth the 2 points.
even if he is, he's probably their 7th in line to play, and each match only allows 4 participants. sure he might get the odd rotation into the lineup, but he's going to be next to worthless, besides the free pts he picks up for being on a winning team.
Yeah I guess you are right, and since I have 3 EG-TL players already, Alone for example makes much more sense as a 2 point zerg. Thanks for the advice.
On January 04 2013 03:28 AlternativeEgo wrote: Can we have the names changed so that they are the same everywhere? As an example we have "sOs" presented in lineups and in the Liquipedia records, but it's "Shy" in everything FPL related. I know it's a touchy subject for some + Show Spoiler +
you silly ultraconservatives :p
but let's bring some order to the game, m'kay?
This is a good point. We'll work on fixing this by next round. We just have to coordinate FPL, TL news, Liquipedia, and TLPD.
Or in other news, you'll have to follow what LP says because we are much more awesome !
On January 04 2013 03:28 AlternativeEgo wrote: Can we have the names changed so that they are the same everywhere? As an example we have "sOs" presented in lineups and in the Liquipedia records, but it's "Shy" in everything FPL related. I know it's a touchy subject for some + Show Spoiler +
you silly ultraconservatives :p
but let's bring some order to the game, m'kay?
This is a good point. We'll work on fixing this by next round. We just have to coordinate FPL, TL news, Liquipedia, and TLPD.
Looks like my strategy of choosing players I liked and then never touching it again was enough for 70th place! BaBy on anti-team and Leta on real team was my big mistake though. I couldn't repost my old team cause now my players are worth too much but whatever, I feel validated.
This isn't GSTL ! Key differences are : Best of 7 and pre-ordered maps.
Bo7 means that only 4 players per team ever get to be fielded for the losing team (and less or equal for the winning team). So the priority number one is to identify the main line-up of each team as the core players have way more chance of being fielded.
Pre-ordered maps favored sniping and less streaks as snipers can be prepared for certain maps. The maps that are likely to be sniped are the 2nd, 3rd and 4th. After that it's ace territory and much less predictable. For you it means that some unexpected players might get playing time but as BW history showed it's very rare (around 1 non-core every 2 matches) which reinforce the importance of core players.
Teams
This is a presentation of my opinion concerning which players belongs to the core members of the team based on previous results and overall fame.
Opinion : They will do better now with a very very experienced core. Their fillers are irrelevant in this format but Revival and JYP might see some playing time. Beware of HerO, he was red-hot last month but I fear he might already have entered the tilt The question is : Will Stephano crush faces or just be average ?
I don't know what to think about KT, results tend to indicate a scary team but Wooki and Crazy-Hydra are almost pure snipers ( & respectively) and as such I don't consider them core players. Still Action and Stats have proven their value over time and will play a lot; on the contrary Motive and hitman won't probably see the light.
Opinion : Obviously a very strong team, perhaps even more than KT if Light still has the same level as in the hybrid PL. Sin is a good sniper that might get a lot of playing time while Flying and free could play if they regain more confidence.
Opinion : A very good team all-around. I don't understand why it cost one point less than SKT but with the power of Rain & Fantasy as well as the help of soO, BeSt and co. It's hard to see who will play beside the 2 kings but Bisu and BeSt could well be among them.
Opinion : It was somewhat surprising to see them go 3-0 in the first 2 weeks of the round 1, but their 0-4 in the second part is worrying. The matches were close but they still got crushed by T8. With Bbyong and Hydra with losing records the gap to overcome is too big for them to perform until either of them regain some momentum.
Opinion : STX struggles a lot because all of its players are inconsistent (even Bogus is only 5-4) But this might be a better round for them. All their core (besides hyvaa who contrary to what his name says in finish isn't any good) can hold their ground against anyone and with a bit of luck, they could end up winning 3 games max. The second string is just terrible though.
Opinion : Anemia. That's the main issue here. Speed and BaBy can hold their own. Jaehoon wins sometimes. Let's hope MajOr brings them some win otherwise they are doomed to be at the bottom once again.
Opinion : I hesitated to list none of them as core players but I was feeling nice. None of their players have a winning record. Shine fell into the abyss and didn't have Flying's teammates to catch him. Tough road ahead for Khan. If their fillers can get somewhat relevant, they might win more than one game, I wouldn't bet one it though.
On January 04 2013 06:47 FlaShFTW wrote: WAIT THIS IS WINNERS LEAGUE FORMAT?! FUCK I DIDNT ADD FLASH TO MY TEAM! I THOUGHT IT WAS STILL PROLEAGUE! FUUUUUU TT.TT
just make a new team by clicking on register at the new fancy banner on top
On January 04 2013 05:52 thedaks16 wrote: What do you think? I had to get Rain in there as Captain. He will absolutely be a point machine with GSTL ALL KILL format.
The team pick is the most important pick. By picking Samsung Khan, you are absolutely certain that they will win this round, since you won't be able to trade up until at least week 3.
On January 04 2013 05:52 thedaks16 wrote: What do you think? I had to get Rain in there as Captain. He will absolutely be a point machine with GSTL ALL KILL format.
The team pick is the most important pick. By picking Samsung Khan, you are absolutely certain that they will win this round, since you won't be able to trade up until at least week 3.
Hopefully with the team points nerf it won't be as huge of a factor.
On a similar note, do you guys prefer Team 8 or STX Soul? STX has the more convincing ace in Bogus but I think T8 seems a little stronger overall.
On January 04 2013 05:52 thedaks16 wrote: What do you think? I had to get Rain in there as Captain. He will absolutely be a point machine with GSTL ALL KILL format.
The team pick is the most important pick. By picking Samsung Khan, you are absolutely certain that they will win this round, since you won't be able to trade up until at least week 3.
Hopefully with the team points nerf it won't be as huge of a factor.
On a similar note, do you guys prefer Team 8 or STX Soul? STX has the more convincing ace in Bogus but I think T8 seems a little stronger overall.
I selected T8 based on who both teams are playing this week. CJ hasn't been too good these past couple weeks and KHAN... blows.
STX on the other hand has KT and SKT... I fear they don't stand a chance against either.
Yeah wish the FPL season was longer. I actually think games happen too fast. I wish every team only played once instead of twice each week. That would double the trading opportunities. Right now there's very little reason to trade unless you absolutely lose faith in a particular player. Right now the gain isn't worth the risk most of the time. Right now trading isn't about building advantages, it's just about correcting mistakes.
Good news is that All kill format is better for trading. If everyone of your players will always see play there's low incentive to trade. But all kill format each team send 1-4 players, vs 4-6 players in the regular format (well technically 4-7, but I've never seen an Ace that gets sent not on the regular match). So now you might actually have players that won't see play, and trading them for someone else is now appealing. Rather than make few higher risk trades, it's better to make more low risk trades to reward consistent good decisions. And the all kill format encourages that, as almost every round you'll have a few players that won't be starting and might not see play.
On January 03 2013 23:23 Fenrax wrote: This is not so important for the all-kill format, but for the next regular round I would suggest you do something against "one team" teams the same way you do not allow "one race" teams. The way it is now it is best to just pick one team and all/many of its members and hope it will do well because of the bonus points for team wins and because it is likely that if your team wins the players also win. We had two rounds of mono team wins in a row (KT/SKT) and it is likely going to repeat if no additional rules are installed.
I would suggest for the next regular rounds that you are allowed to only pick 2 or 3 players of the same team.
I already do that. As for bamboo, yeah man I wish it wasn't every round too because it gets kind of silly lol. Trading has a lot of benefits to it. I've seen many guys win because of fantastic trades they've made and it wasn't just winner league format. You really do have to use them wisely though.
On January 04 2013 14:46 YourHarry wrote: Question: If you want to trade a player from an anti team, do you need to trade into a player costing more points?
On January 04 2013 14:46 YourHarry wrote: Question: If you want to trade a player from an anti team, do you need to trade into a player costing more points?
Of course.
So, even if trading into a player costing less points satisfies the 13 point requirement?
Sorry, I just wanted to confirm since the rules don't specify this.
On January 04 2013 14:46 YourHarry wrote: Question: If you want to trade a player from an anti team, do you need to trade into a player costing more points?
Of course.
So, even if trading into a player costing less points satisfies the 13 point requirement?
Sorry, I just wanted to confirm since the rules don't specify this.
You only need 13 points as the bare minimum for when signups close. Once trades open up and you can get more value for your players if they had a good week depending where you placed them, yes you can only switch one guy out on your anti team for a -1 deduction and trade two guys on your main team (except for your captain). Trading opens as soon as a week finishes and then you will only have a few days to do the exchange before the rosters for next week get published.
In short, you can only trade up on your anti team. So let's say the players value depreciates even more then you will have more options to pick from. You can only trade down on your main roster so hopefully one of your players will inflate their points so you can possibly pick a more lucrative player for the rest of the round. Remember every trade you make costs you a point so it`s better to get things right the first time.
Jaedong and Puma will be in Vegas on Jan 8th (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=391478) That's the same day as EGTL vs SKT1
I recommend not picking them up unless you are super confident they'll make you a lot of points in the Sunday match. And even then not super likely as it's possible they would be on a flight already.
That means EGTL will be using Taeja HerO Revival JYP Thorzain Zenio only (Doubt HuK will see play, and I don't think Demuslim is in Korea yet and we know Stephano isn't)
Edit: Lol I just put Jaedong on my anti team. 100% not play SKT. I think good chance he won't play vs KT as well. Even if he does I think Flash/Stats/Wooki are all a bit favored vs JD anyway and Action and Crazy Hydra are both decent at ZvZ so not as easily sniped by JD either. Sure I think EGTL could win but the team point on anti isn't that big a deal, could have to any player you pick anyway in this format.
I always end up reading through all posts and stealing other people their ideas. Mrbamboo you need to make another list of your picks. But don't pick SoO again for your antiteam .
On January 04 2013 17:38 Koshi wrote: I always end up reading through all posts and stealing other people their ideas. Mrbamboo you need to make another list of your picks. But don't pick SoO again for your antiteam .
On January 04 2013 17:38 Koshi wrote: I always end up reading through all posts and stealing other people their ideas. Mrbamboo you need to make another list of your picks. But don't pick SoO again for your antiteam .
I wanted to do this int he first round but I forgot to :/
I've done it now, I like pro-League but I didn't follow it in broodwar so most of the names are still unknown/I dont know much about them, I'm doing this more to try and get to know the players and get more knowledge about pro-league and get to know the players more :D
i have a question about anti team trading. Do you have to trade for a player one point higher for anti team, reverse of regular or still one point lower? if the values drop on my anti team am i pretty much riding them the rest of this round?
On January 05 2013 04:48 izmatic wrote: i have a question about anti team trading. Do you have to trade for a player one point higher for anti team, reverse of regular or still one point lower? if the values drop on my anti team am i pretty much riding them the rest of this round?
You will trade by perusing a decimal trade value (TrVal) which will fluctuate each week depending on the performances of the teams and players. It starts off at the initial point value ($). Every week, you will be allowed to trade up to two players from your main team for players each having an equal or smaller trade value at the time. Similarily, you are allowed to trade a single player on your anti team for a player having an equal or higher trade value.
And of course, if your anti team players keep not winning (thus not gaining you negative points) their trade value will go down and you will mostly likely not want to trade them. If you do want to make anti trades after all, you usually have more players with a higher trade value to choose from.
On January 05 2013 05:27 KobraKay wrote: Ahh I cant resist FPL...even in SC2 mode that will be harder to predict people's value. I hope my CJ bias wont hurt me this time around!
GL HF everybody.
Edit: I have Jangbi on my anti. . .is he still the anti team killer?
He got a total of 15p the last round with a 3-3 score. Maybe he'll do more damage in the all-kill format. Maybe he will be sniped asap. We'll see.
I wonder whether the teams' ace players really will bring a lot of points. Usually in all-kill format teams will save them to turn a match gone bad around at the last second (if necessary; they might not even come out at all). Or if they come out sooner, I think they may get easily sniped, especially with the fixed maps I should think. Hm...
This Proleague round is much shorter than a typical GSTL. So not many trades are possible. Which makes it in my opinion all the more important how well you pick your initial lineup.
On January 04 2013 10:00 lfredl wrote: i put stephano as my anti... x_x dont kill me
This actually isn't a bad idea considering he's going to miss a complete week for starters and the fact you have Revival, JD and Zenio looking for action in the same breath. He will play, but the amount will be constrained, but I do expect Stephano to be able to hold at least a 50-50 win rate so meh. Just hope you have a solid line-up to gain points because I decided to go with another high point value as well hoping they will flop and that way I don't have to worry about the rest of my anti-team so much.
On January 05 2013 07:51 Proseat wrote: I wonder whether the teams' ace players really will bring a lot of points. Usually in all-kill format teams will save them to turn a match gone bad around at the last second (if necessary; they might not even come out at all). Or if they come out sooner, I think they may get easily sniped, especially with the fixed maps I should think. Hm...
This Proleague round is much shorter than a typical GSTL. So not many trades are possible. Which makes it in my opinion all the more important how well you pick your initial lineup.
Great players on bad teams are full value. Fantasy/Rain, Baby, Effort, etc. They will always get fielded because the rest of the team can't close it in time anyways.
On January 04 2013 10:00 lfredl wrote: i put stephano as my anti... x_x dont kill me
This actually isn't a bad idea considering he's going to miss a complete week for starters and the fact you have Revival, JD and Zenio looking for action in the same breath. He will play, but the amount will be constrained, but I do expect Stephano to be able to hold at least a 50-50 win rate so meh. Just hope you have a solid line-up to gain points because I decided to go with another high point value as well hoping they will flop and that way I don't have to worry about the rest of my anti-team so much.
As far as I know you cannot pick Stephano on your anti team this week?
Evil Geniuses @EvilGeniuses 5m He is coming. Prepare yourself. @EGStephanoRC will begin living in the EG training house in Korea starting on January 7th! #Proleague
Based on what everyone was saying I thought he would be arrived awhile after that. Happy to see him getting there that early.
It kinda broke my heart with the last minute compromises to get under 30. I feel there should be a minigame of who can have the most expensive antiteam too :D
I have created a team for round two, but for some weird reason FPL only shows me my round 1 team what am I doing wrong? I tried on two separate browsers and the link on top of the page still only gives me R1.
On January 05 2013 16:36 hwatti wrote: I have created a team for round two, but for some weird reason FPL only shows me my round 1 team what am I doing wrong? I tried on two separate browsers and the link on top of the page still only gives me R1.
On January 05 2013 07:51 Proseat wrote: I wonder whether the teams' ace players really will bring a lot of points. Usually in all-kill format teams will save them to turn a match gone bad around at the last second (if necessary; they might not even come out at all). Or if they come out sooner, I think they may get easily sniped, especially with the fixed maps I should think. Hm...
This Proleague round is much shorter than a typical GSTL. So not many trades are possible. Which makes it in my opinion all the more important how well you pick your initial lineup.
Seems like I wasn't so wrong (for now). In today's matches (WJS vs CJ, KHAN vs T8), besides sHy winning a single map, none of the expensive aces (SoulKey, BaBy, herO[jOin], Effort) scored any individual points (lineup + W/L).
On January 05 2013 17:44 opterown wrote: tomorrow i need revival to pick up three games, then wooki to reverse allkill! and for stx to lose, with neither hyvaa nor trap winning games
Seems like your team is similar to mine? I could live with that.
On January 05 2013 17:44 opterown wrote: tomorrow i need revival to pick up three games, then wooki to reverse allkill! and for stx to lose, with neither hyvaa nor trap winning games
Seems like your team is similar to mine? I could live with that.
haha, yeah those four are my only relevant players tomorrow i guess :p
On January 05 2013 07:51 Proseat wrote: I wonder whether the teams' ace players really will bring a lot of points. Usually in all-kill format teams will save them to turn a match gone bad around at the last second (if necessary; they might not even come out at all). Or if they come out sooner, I think they may get easily sniped, especially with the fixed maps I should think. Hm...
This Proleague round is much shorter than a typical GSTL. So not many trades are possible. Which makes it in my opinion all the more important how well you pick your initial lineup.
Seems like I wasn't so wrong (for now). In today's matches (WJS vs CJ, KHAN vs T8), besides sHy winning a single map, none of the expensive aces (SoulKey, BaBy, herO[jOin], Effort) scored any individual points (lineup + W/L).
Exactly. That's why my only (small) "ace" is Dear, the rest I preferred to be very solid underpriced players who bring a lot of points and are used often by their teams.
Similarly, I disagree with the analysis that short-benched teams are stronger in WL. On the contrary - long bench teams will have more guys to prepare specific snipes (vs a smaller list of viable opponents on a small bench team), AND thus also be harder to get sniped in turn, because they have too many players and can surprise you with someone you know little about.
On January 05 2013 17:44 opterown wrote: tomorrow i need revival to pick up three games, then wooki to reverse allkill! and for stx to lose, with neither hyvaa nor trap winning games
On January 05 2013 17:44 opterown wrote: tomorrow i need revival to pick up three games, then wooki to reverse allkill! and for stx to lose, with neither hyvaa nor trap winning games
Hard time seeing Revival make it past Flash...
hard time seeing revival make it past tear, gumiho and leenock too ;D flash is not as infallible as he was in BW. i'm not expecting a revival win, but he is capable of it.
On January 05 2013 17:44 opterown wrote: tomorrow i need revival to pick up three games, then wooki to reverse allkill! and for stx to lose, with neither hyvaa nor trap winning games
Hard time seeing Revival make it past Flash...
hard time seeing revival make it past tear, gumiho and leenock too ;D flash is not as infallible as he was in BW. i'm not expecting a revival win, but he is capable of it.
Even though I have revival on my team I would be okay with him losing as long as stephano will be send out next to have Stephano vs. Flash . The Internet would be exploding!
On January 05 2013 17:44 opterown wrote: tomorrow i need revival to pick up three games, then wooki to reverse allkill! and for stx to lose, with neither hyvaa nor trap winning games
Hard time seeing Revival make it past Flash...
hard time seeing revival make it past tear, gumiho and leenock too ;D flash is not as infallible as he was in BW. i'm not expecting a revival win, but he is capable of it.
Even though I have revival on my team I would be okay with him losing as long as stephano will be send out next to have Stephano vs. Flash . The Internet would be exploding!
great start for me Speed performed well and Stork lost his game. Hoping that Hitman and Revival can share the points in EGTL vs KT. Dear going on a 3 kill streak with Fantasy reverse all-killing would also be welcomed
Does anyone know when the standing will be updated? Do they wait for the entire week to finish, or just this night matches, or it will be updated between now and tonight matches?
On January 05 2013 17:44 opterown wrote: tomorrow i need revival to pick up three games, then wooki to reverse allkill! and for stx to lose, with neither hyvaa nor trap winning games
Hard time seeing Revival make it past Flash...
hard time seeing revival make it past tear, gumiho and leenock too ;D flash is not as infallible as he was in BW. i'm not expecting a revival win, but he is capable of it.
Most certainly is and they did have a good outing against FXO and Prime without TL players. Tonight should be exciting and lol Shady, that's frigging awesome. I'd love to have a look at it to compare to when trading opens.
Anyone have the slightest clue why Idra is even 2 points? He's not that great, not even playing WoL, and not even going to be in Korea, while some players who have played in proleague, and won, and have either a 50/50 or winning record are only 1 point.
Pretty absurd point allocations IMO. Not that it's too bad, since I picked up some of those lower point than Idra players for my main team, but still absolutely dumb.
On January 06 2013 14:51 Wingblade wrote: The good news. Flash is on my main team. The bad news? So are three other KT players. I really need to fix that rofl.
ya dont have more then 2 players from a team in all kill format
Wow, i did terribly on the first playdays. +2 for Bbyong +1 for Light and -3 for free... Equals zero points. Nice! ^^ But it seems like almost half the players are as bad as me.
Wish i wouldn't have changed my team, then i would have had at least Flash. But i think i also had Terminator in anti at first, ah well, i basically had everyone once... haha so much switching. Anyway, i think i won't change anything as i believe this might have been just bad luck.
edit: Just realized today hasn't been updated yet. Else Hitman would also be +1 meaning i have -1 points. edit2: Yeah thanks. edit3: Also true, SKT won at least. ^^
On January 06 2013 19:32 HolydaKing wrote: Wow, i did terribly on the first playdays. +2 for Bbyong +1 for Light and -3 for Mini... Equals zero points. Nice! ^^ But it seems like almost half the players are as bad as me.
Wish i wouldn't have changed my team, then i would have had at least Flash. But i think i also had Terminator in anti at first, ah well, i basically had everyone once... haha so much switching. Anyway, i think i won't change anything as i believe this might have been just bad luck.
Mini didn't play. You probably mean free. And you will still get +3 for your team pick (SKT), but -1 for Hitman.
So according to my score, Jeahoon earned me 1 point. That's nice, but I don't get how, he didn't even play.
Is it beacause Team 8 won? I looked at the rules but I it doesn't tell you anywhere if you get a point for just having a player on you team from a team that won, without that player actually playing.
On January 06 2013 19:41 Amestir wrote: So according to my score, Jeahoon earned me 1 point. That's nice, but I don't get how, he didn't even play.
His team won. But you will go negative after the next update since your picked team (EG-TL) lost 0-4 (-2 pts) and you have both Bisu (-1 pt) and Paralyze (-1 pt) on your anti whose team SKT won.
On January 06 2013 19:41 Amestir wrote: So according to my score, Jeahoon earned me 1 point. That's nice, but I don't get how, he didn't even play.
His team won.
Alright, ty. Maybe you could help me with somethign else. Why don't I get points for effort on my anti team? He lost and his team did, too. Or are the results not updated yet?
Sorry for all the questions, first time doing this ^^
hmm i was so doubtfull wether or not i should go fanta&flash+lowpoints or just get one of them and a more balanced lineup... missed alot of points by just going with fanta and on top of that JYP is playing fanta next match so that's another one where im not gonna score alot of points. Only advantage is that having an all KT/SKT/EGTL team, only one more time they match. And my anti scored 0 points so i keep the good (bad???) antiteam going
On January 06 2013 19:41 Amestir wrote: So according to my score, Jeahoon earned me 1 point. That's nice, but I don't get how, he didn't even play.
His team won.
Alright, ty. Maybe you could help me with somethign else. Why don't I get points for effort on my anti team? He lost and his team did, too. Or are the results not updated yet?
Sorry for all the questions, first time doing this ^^
No problem. If a player loses his first map in all-kill format, he will not earn any points (and thus no anti points either) unless his team wins.
Effort got these scores: lineup appearance +1 game loss -1 his team did not win, so the total is zero
Individual player scoring is the same everywhere, it's just that for your anti team you multiply it with -1.
On January 06 2013 19:41 Amestir wrote: So according to my score, Jeahoon earned me 1 point. That's nice, but I don't get how, he didn't even play.
His team won.
Alright, ty. Maybe you could help me with somethign else. Why don't I get points for effort on my anti team? He lost and his team did, too. Or are the results not updated yet?
Sorry for all the questions, first time doing this ^^
afaik you cant score points on antiteam (in allkill), only lose very little. lose match gives -1 but lineup appearance is already +1 so the lowest you'll ever score is 0. edit: someone beat me
On January 06 2013 19:41 Amestir wrote: So according to my score, Jeahoon earned me 1 point. That's nice, but I don't get how, he didn't even play.
His team won.
Alright, ty. Maybe you could help me with somethign else. Why don't I get points for effort on my anti team? He lost and his team did, too. Or are the results not updated yet?
Sorry for all the questions, first time doing this ^^
To actual points for the anti team, you have to screw up very bad. I don't even know if its possible in the all kill format. In normal proleague u needed to loose a game, then the ace match.
Players don't get negative points, if the team looses. So Effort get's +1 appearance and -1 for loss and that's it.
Correct, in all-kill format there is no way of earning points with a player on the anti team. The best a player can do for you there is not scoring any points, and thus no anti points. This is the case if the player's team does not win AND if he either does not come out to play, or immediately loses his first map.
In regular Proleague format it was possible because of ace matches (see Shine last round).
On January 06 2013 20:14 Tufas wrote: I got flash and fantasy ! Just wanted to let you know !
YEYYYYY
me too :D I totally don't regret that
Yeah flash said that Wookie is going to start in the next game against STX (and destroy them :D ) but I do not think that I can trade anyone for him haha
Well, I still think those two were worth their points !
The +1 lineup and -1 loss thing is so annoying. There's only one person who can get the +1 lineup without getting the -1 loss, and that's the player who wins the final game. Everyone else that plays will eventually lose. Having a rule for +1 match win would be exactly the same but with less pointless numbers thrown around. It's ugly.
Cost Team/Player Score ------------------------------------ 2 Team 8 +4 10 Flash +10 9 Fantasy +8 3 Terminator +6 4 Speed +5 1 any KT/SKT/T8/WJS player +1 1 any KT/SKT/T8/WJS player +1 ------------------------------------ 30 +35
Cost Team/Player Score ------------------------------------ x 2 Team 8 +4 x 10 Flash +10 x 9 Fantasy +8 3 Terminator +6 4 Speed +5 x 1 any KT/SKT/T8/WJS player +1 x 1 any KT/SKT/T8/WJS player +1 ------------------------------------ 30 +35
For anti team any valid combination of EGTL/CJ/KHAN/STX players that either did not play or lost their first map has the best anti score of zero. Also achieved.
Sadly, I picked Jangbi. Sould have gone for Terminator and Speed :D
On January 06 2013 21:39 Proseat wrote: So looks like the best possible main team for these first two days is the following with a total score of 35:
Cost Team/Player Score ------------------------------------ 2 Team 8 +4 10 Flash +10 9 Fantasy +8 3 Terminator +6 4 Speed +5 1 any KT/SKT/T8/WJS player +1 1 any KT/SKT/T8/WJS player +1 ------------------------------------ 30 +35
For anti team any valid combination of EGTL/CJ/KHAN/STX players that either did not play or lost their first map has the best anti score of zero.
Cost Team/Player Score ------------------------------------ 2 Team 8 (SKT T +4 (+5) x 10 Flash +10 x 9 Fantasy +8 3 Terminator +6 x 4 Speed +5 1 any KT/SKT/T8/WJS player +1 x 1 any KT/SKT/T8/WJS player +1 ------------------------------------ 30 +35 (29)
Main: Speed +5 check +1 Fantasy +8 Flash +10 JuNi 0 Mini 0 SKT +3
Anti: Jaedong 0 Revival 0 Zenio 0
Jangbi only has 2 points unless I missed a point he got. Also I would think teams with Flash and Fantasy are probably going to be in first place for this week unless Flash 1 and dones his next series.
Main: Speed +5 check +1 Fantasy +8 Flash +10 JuNi 0 Mini 0 SKT +3
Anti: Jaedong 0 Revival 0 Zenio 0
Jangbi only has 2 points unless I missed a point he got. Also I would think teams with Flash and Fantasy are probably going to be in first place for this week unless Flash 1 and dones his next series.
In the long run Diks should surpass Tufas tho, given that SKT is stronger than T8, and his main team more balanced. Plus if SKT rapes KHAN that adds points teams for Diks, and if Khan does some kills, Tufas' anti team is screwed. Win win for Diks. I still believe in TaeJa, don't make me regret picking you instead of Fantasy T;T. The EG-TL coach is worrying me though.
On January 06 2013 23:25 monk. wrote: Picking Flash+Fantasy+1 pointers or Flash+Taeja+1 pointers seems to be an interesting strategy. Wonder if it'll pay off!
The weakess of this strat is : what if Rain all-kills instead of Fantasy? What if Flash isn't sent out first in the next matches and doesn't have the chance to all-kill?
On January 06 2013 23:25 monk. wrote: Picking Flash+Fantasy+1 pointers or Flash+Taeja+1 pointers seems to be an interesting strategy. Wonder if it'll pay off!
The weakess of this strat is : what if Rain all-kills instead of Fantasy? What if Flash isn't sent out first in the next matches and doesn't have the chance to all-kill?
So random :D.
Well I am a member of the no-trade club of real men so this strategy is not accessible for me but others could always trade for the starters with the highest value below flash and fantasy.
On January 06 2013 23:45 AlternativeEgo wrote: I went for the Taeja+Fantasy all-killer-combo. Sadly Taeja got god'ed. Oh well.
It was a toss up for me to take taeja or fantasy, went with fantasy in the end because i figured Taeja will be EG-TLs ace so might not get to play, whereas Rain will ace for SKT1, so theres a good chance Fantasy will come out early and play more. Looks like it was the right choice so far, and fantasy is starting next game. Do kinda wish i splurged for flash though, just couldnt afford him with the rest of the team i wanted.
On January 07 2013 00:35 thedaks16 wrote: I took fantasy as well, he wins 3 games and I don't have any points yet for him... weird?
last night's games haven't been updated. Usually the rate at which the fantasy scores get officially updated is directly proportional to how well the manging staff members did that night =p.
My last minute "last for reality" trade, while not the worst one I could have made is definitely doing me no favors... and soO totally could have won his game against Bogus... but stats anti-team (going to trade him for stephano or Jaedong this week) is looking like the best idea I ever had!
Thx, first time doing fpl. I splurged for 2 big names considering it's all-kill format. I think we'll see a lot of multiple wins like last night. How does the trade system work? Do you trade in later weeks for = point value ?
On January 07 2013 00:49 thedaks16 wrote: Thx, first time doing fpl. I splurged for 2 big names considering it's all-kill format. I think we'll see a lot of multiple wins like last night. How does the trade system work? Do you trade in later weeks for = point value ?
Check lineups each week! Players facing weak teams are generally more valuable.
Don't make trades just for sake of making trades, as they cost you trade tax points and you may get stuck with a player you don't want
The trade price formula takes into account number of matches remaining -- so players with more matches remaining will have higher prices
You must trade for players with less value, but try to minimize the value loss. For example, if you trade someone worth 30 for someone worth 20, next week you can only trade the 20 for someone less. It's much better to trade the 30 for someone worth 29.
On January 07 2013 00:35 thedaks16 wrote: I took fantasy as well, he wins 3 games and I don't have any points yet for him... weird?
last night's games haven't been updated. Usually the rate at which the fantasy scores get officially updated is directly proportional to how well the manging staff members did that night =p.
My last minute "last for reality" trade, while not the worst one I could have made is definitely doing me no favors... and soO totally could have won his game against Bogus... but stats anti-team (going to trade him for stephano or Jaedong this week) is looking like the best idea I ever had!
I went back and forth on Reality and Speed also,kinda stressed over that decision. and then that game was such a nailbiter!!
On January 07 2013 00:35 thedaks16 wrote: I took fantasy as well, he wins 3 games and I don't have any points yet for him... weird?
last night's games haven't been updated. Usually the rate at which the fantasy scores get officially updated is directly proportional to how well the manging staff members did that night =p.
My last minute "last for reality" trade, while not the worst one I could have made is definitely doing me no favors... and soO totally could have won his game against Bogus... but stats anti-team (going to trade him for stephano or Jaedong this week) is looking like the best idea I ever had!
Where did you get this idea? It has more to do with when R1CH wakes up or gets home I think.
On January 07 2013 00:35 thedaks16 wrote: I took fantasy as well, he wins 3 games and I don't have any points yet for him... weird?
last night's games haven't been updated. Usually the rate at which the fantasy scores get officially updated is directly proportional to how well the manging staff members did that night =p.
My last minute "last for reality" trade, while not the worst one I could have made is definitely doing me no favors... and soO totally could have won his game against Bogus... but stats anti-team (going to trade him for stephano or Jaedong this week) is looking like the best idea I ever had!
Where did you get this idea? It has more to do with when R1CH wakes up or gets home I think.
On January 07 2013 00:35 thedaks16 wrote: I took fantasy as well, he wins 3 games and I don't have any points yet for him... weird?
last night's games haven't been updated. Usually the rate at which the fantasy scores get officially updated is directly proportional to how well the manging staff members did that night =p.
My last minute "last for reality" trade, while not the worst one I could have made is definitely doing me no favors... and soO totally could have won his game against Bogus... but stats anti-team (going to trade him for stephano or Jaedong this week) is looking like the best idea I ever had!
Where did you get this idea? It has more to do with when R1CH wakes up or gets home I think.
He's probably kidding =P
Ivwas. In retrospect, it would have been better to say that the first law of fantasy proleague is the better you do, the longer it takes to update.
On January 07 2013 08:12 decado90 wrote: Is there anyway to favorite a thread? I hate having to keep search for this everytime I want to see my fantasy team
You can subscribe, bottom left. Although it automaticaly does it for you as soon as you post in said thread.
ofc you should have, just look at the last two days of Round1, CJ had the same opponents as WJS, WJS won both (4-1, 4-0), CJ lost both (3-4, 1-4). In addition to that, look at the stats of the hybrid season: WJS had a 65% winrate in sc2 (more than 10% more than the second), CJ had 45%, only ACE was worse.
Why the hell would someone pick CJ over WJS?^^
WJS may not have the starpower, but they have a lot of really good players. Yes, its not the best premisses for winners league, but i expect to be WJS in the top3 at the end this season overal and CJ will battle for 5 or 6th
On January 07 2013 13:11 Serpico wrote: Jangbi's points should actually be -1 >.>
No, he is at +3 (-3 on anti):
+1 lineup (he came out to play in the third game of KHAN vs T8) +2 game win (he won his game against Speed) +1 streak break (with his win he broke Speed's 2-game streak) -1 game loss (he lost the followup game versus Terminator) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +3 total
On January 07 2013 13:11 Serpico wrote: Jangbi's points should actually be -1 >.>
No, he is at +3 (-3 on anti):
+1 lineup (he came out to play in the third game of KHAN vs T8) +2 game win (he won his game against Speed) +1 streak break (with his win he broke Speed's 2-game streak) -1 game loss (he lost the followup game versus Terminator) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +3 total
Wish R1CH saw this. Monk apparently left a note.
Should be fixed!
Thanks Proseat and everyone else for bringing this to my attention. Btw, if anyone finds anymore errors, both now and in the future, please alert me asap. We're backing up the system tonight and any errors introduced today will become permanent.
On January 07 2013 13:11 Serpico wrote: Jangbi's points should actually be -1 >.>
No, he is at +3 (-3 on anti):
+1 lineup (he came out to play in the third game of KHAN vs T8) +2 game win (he won his game against Speed) +1 streak break (with his win he broke Speed's 2-game streak) -1 game loss (he lost the followup game versus Terminator) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- +3 total
Wish R1CH saw this. Monk apparently left a note.
Should be fixed!
Thanks Proseat and everyone else for bringing this to my attention. Btw, if anyone finds anymore errors, both now and in the future, please alert me asap. We're backing up the system tonight and any errors introduced today will become permanent.
10 points today, I got screwed by Speed not winning much and Bbyong not playing. However sHy broke JangBi's streak and won 2 games, making his team win! Thus +7 from sHy, +1 from Bbyong (CJ's win) and +2 from Speed (1 win).
I think I made decent picks, too bad TaeJa wasn't sent out on antiga vs Flash, he has the potential to all-kill as well. Vs SKT it will be very hard with Rain likely to beat TaeJa handily.
I know ! Normally someone else created the group and there are about 15 people but this time it did not exist so I created it and .. only you joined
Maybe it's because of this round's All-Kill format? Trading (perhaps) more important, because players fluctuate their adjusted price a lot more (eg: some player just got a lucky streak and became valuable to trade for a much better player); and because being the starter for a match is more valuable than being on the lineup in the prev. round's rules.
My team was so bad this week, and i had Fanta as my captain! And i still only got 5 points ;_; and it is going to get alot worst thanks to Free + Show Spoiler +
I really should have gone with sOs and Fantasy instead of TaeJa and Soulkey now that I think about it lol... At least my anti-team is at 0 points, which is good
Pretty funny that the people in first place made the team I originally wanted, with Fantasy, Flash, rest fillers, and KT as team.
Now with my thought-to-be-smarter team I'm at #1000~... Oh well, we'll see how it turns out in the later rounds. Still, free did good work this week, so that's nice!
Since I'm at -5 points, I was curious to find out who is lower than me. I think the article with the week 2 preview should have a special recognition for last place.
Without further ado, I present a special award for user chipps with a -21 points
I would like in our weekly recap/preview an interview with the first placed bottom player since he/she must be trying to get last place, right? There must be strategy involved. This race to the bottom deserves some recognition!
On January 08 2013 03:30 ggofthejungle wrote: Since I'm at -5 points, I was curious to find out who is lower than me. I think the article with the week 2 preview should have a special recognition for last place.
Without further ado, I present a special award for user chipps with a -21 points
I would like in our weekly recap/preview an interview with the first placed bottom player since he/she must be trying to get last place, right? There must be strategy involved. This race to the bottom deserves some recognition!
Maybe if they used excatly 30 pts for main team and 13 pts for anti, it would be a bit impressive. Or else you'd just pick the worst players for main team and the best ones for anti.
On January 08 2013 03:30 ggofthejungle wrote: Since I'm at -5 points, I was curious to find out who is lower than me. I think the article with the week 2 preview should have a special recognition for last place.
Without further ado, I present a special award for user chipps with a -21 points
I would like in our weekly recap/preview an interview with the first placed bottom player since he/she must be trying to get last place, right? There must be strategy involved. This race to the bottom deserves some recognition!
Maybe if they used excatly 30 pts for main team and 13 pts for anti, it would be a bit impressive. Or else you'd just pick the worst players for main team and the best ones for anti.
In broodwar I wrote some updates about the last places but normally nobody really cared :D
On January 08 2013 01:01 Chaosu wrote: At one point day2 results were updated and detailed view was broken, the usual tables doesn't show (my team detailed view).
On January 08 2013 03:30 ggofthejungle wrote: Since I'm at -5 points, I was curious to find out who is lower than me. I think the article with the week 2 preview should have a special recognition for last place.
Without further ado, I present a special award for user chipps with a -21 points
I would like in our weekly recap/preview an interview with the first placed bottom player since he/she must be trying to get last place, right? There must be strategy involved. This race to the bottom deserves some recognition!
Maybe if they used excatly 30 pts for main team and 13 pts for anti, it would be a bit impressive. Or else you'd just pick the worst players for main team and the best ones for anti.
On January 08 2013 03:30 ggofthejungle wrote: Since I'm at -5 points, I was curious to find out who is lower than me. I think the article with the week 2 preview should have a special recognition for last place.
Without further ado, I present a special award for user chipps with a -21 points
I would like in our weekly recap/preview an interview with the first placed bottom player since he/she must be trying to get last place, right? There must be strategy involved. This race to the bottom deserves some recognition!
Maybe if they used excatly 30 pts for main team and 13 pts for anti, it would be a bit impressive. Or else you'd just pick the worst players for main team and the best ones for anti.
Predicting the top 3 scoring players every round is harder than you might think
On January 08 2013 03:30 ggofthejungle wrote: Since I'm at -5 points, I was curious to find out who is lower than me. I think the article with the week 2 preview should have a special recognition for last place.
Without further ado, I present a special award for user chipps with a -21 points
I would like in our weekly recap/preview an interview with the first placed bottom player since he/she must be trying to get last place, right? There must be strategy involved. This race to the bottom deserves some recognition!
Maybe if they used excatly 30 pts for main team and 13 pts for anti, it would be a bit impressive. Or else you'd just pick the worst players for main team and the best ones for anti.
On January 08 2013 03:30 ggofthejungle wrote: Since I'm at -5 points, I was curious to find out who is lower than me. I think the article with the week 2 preview should have a special recognition for last place.
Without further ado, I present a special award for user chipps with a -21 points
I would like in our weekly recap/preview an interview with the first placed bottom player since he/she must be trying to get last place, right? There must be strategy involved. This race to the bottom deserves some recognition!
Maybe if they used excatly 30 pts for main team and 13 pts for anti, it would be a bit impressive. Or else you'd just pick the worst players for main team and the best ones for anti.
Predicting the top 3 scoring players every round is harder than you might think
Coming games will really show if Fantasy and Flash can keep up scoring big. I just hope it's gonna be the case for Fantasy, since I don't have Flash on my team :D
On January 08 2013 07:09 ViperPL wrote: Coming games will really show if Fantasy and Flash can keep up scoring big. I just hope it's gonna be the case for Fantasy, since I don't have Flash on my team :D
I will not be able to watch the first match so I hope that I wake up to a AK-47 flashing in the thread and my heart cheers for EGTL but my FPL wish goes out to fantasy
after tomorrows/todays matches. should be somewhere in between 24 and 36hours till all the points are updated, trading will be open till saturdays matches
I put sHy on my anti team planning on trading him off when it opens for Stephano(They were same pt value when picking) but now his adjusted trade value is Higher and I'm stuck with him on Anti unless before they open the trading the values change....T.T FUCK T.T
On January 08 2013 09:36 Homework wrote: I am here to accept my "Last Place" award. Yes, it is I, with the killer team / anti-team. Oh yes, and my team is exactly 30/13. GO TEAM USA USA
Very hard to pick the best player on anti team ...
Here's a simple general questionnaire to find the earned points per play day for any player X:
Did player X play that day? If yes, then add +1. Did player X lose a map that day? If yes, then add -1. How many maps (n) did player X win that day? Add +(n*2). Did player X beat a player who won two maps that day? If yes, then add +1. Did player X beat a player who won three maps that day? If yes, then add +1. Did the team of player X win that day? If yes, then add +1.
Add it all up and the total equals the earned points for player X. If player X is on your anti team, multiply with -1.
Did Wooki play that day? Yes: +1 Did Wooki lose a map that day? Yes: -1 How many maps (n) did Wooki win that day? n = 2: +(2*2) Did Wooki beat a player who won two maps that day? Yes: +1 Did Wooki beat a player who won three maps that day? Yes: +1 Did the team of Wooki win that day? No.
Did TaeJa play that day? Yes: +1 Did TaeJa lose a map that day? Yes: -1 How many maps (n) did TaeJa win that day? n = 3: +(3*2) Did TaeJa beat a player who won two maps that day? No. Did TaeJa beat a player who won three maps that day? No. Did the team of TaeJa win that day? Yes: +1
Did Jaedong play that day? Yes: +1 Did Jaedong lose a map that day? No. How many maps (n) did Jaedong win that day? n = 1: +(1*2) Did Jaedong beat a player who won two maps that day? Yes: +1 Did Jaedong beat a player who won three maps that day? No. Did the team of Jaedong win that day? Yes: +1
Did Stats play that day? Yes: +1 Did Stats lose a map that day? Yes: -1 How many maps (n) did Stats win that day? n = 0: +(0*2) Did Stats beat a player who won two maps that day? No. Did Stats beat a player who won three maps that day? No. Did the team of Stats win that day? No.
Did Zenio play that day? No. Did Zenio lose a map that day? No. How many maps (n) did Zenio win that day? n = 0: +(0*2) Did Zenio beat a player who won two maps that day? No. Did Zenio beat a player who won three maps that day? No. Did the team of Zenio win that day? Yes: +1
Did BarrackS play that day? No. Did BarrackS lose a map that day? No. How many maps (n) did BarrackS win that day? n = 0: +(0*2) Did BarrackS beat a player who won two maps that day? No. Did BarrackS beat a player who won three maps that day? No. Did the team of BarrackS win that day? No.
BarrackS thus scored +(0*2) = 0 points.
Extremes: If a player straight up all-kills: +10 total If a player reverse all-kills: +12 total
Oh damn, I knew that flash was right when he said that wookie is going to AK Damn you flash.
EDIT : Oh fantasy, you so silly ....
What is the spoiler policy for SPL games ?
if you visit this thread without knowing the results, you are not an intelligent man ...
i hope EGTL stays cheaper than WJS, i want to get rid of WJS for W2 (they are playing KT and SKT) and want trade them for EGTL (playing Khan and CJ, imo the weakest teams atm).
Oh damn, I knew that flash was right when he said that wookie is going to AK Damn you flash.
EDIT : Oh fantasy, you so silly ....
What is the spoiler policy for SPL games ?
if you visit this thread without knowing the results, you are not an intelligent man ...
i hope EGTL stays cheaper than WJS, i want to get rid of WJS for R2 (they are playing KT and SKT) and want trade them for EGTL (playing Khan and CJ, imo the weakest teams atm).
Yeah I want to trade out WJS this week too. I picked them up specifically because they would win their first two games more likely than any other team.
But I'm low on points, a lot of my team is gonna need reworking if possible.
yeah, the draw for WJS was great for W1, thats why i have 3 players + team in my FPL. But i dont see them win (at least not convincingly) in W2, but EGTL on the other hand should do great (something like 2 wins with 2maps difference each easily possible).
Atm WJS' tradevalue is 30, EGTL 27. afaik the results of Day1 are included and on day2 they both went 4-2, so i think EGTL should be cheaper than WJS. At least i hope so.
The real question for me is, if i trade hon_sin or light. i think i'll have to wait for the lineups to decide
Welp, finally something. After every single one of my players losing (or almost everyone) up until now, today they fucking rolled. I have Wooki, Revival and soO. Now to only trade RorO and possibly Reality and maybe I stand a chance O_o
Very happy with Wooki and Revival. I was at #2300 before today's games and I imagine that it'll skyrocket. Now I just rOrO to win a damn game and I should be in good shape.
Flash on team no Wooki SKT as my team, anti 2/3rds EGTL players(Luckily not JYP or Revival) was not a good night last night for me T.T Not gonna be in the 600's for long it seems lol
Ugh, I have a mediocre team, it looks like. But a lot can change in four weeks of play. So far, there are some useful players like Speed and Revival and at least I have a damn good antiteam with Jaedong/hyvaa/hope which will get me only -1 over the whole week. Glad I didn't pick Stork/Jangbi/hope like I originally planned, haha. That would have fucked me over completely already with Jangbi getting tons of points.
But the other picks didn't work out too well, choosing my Woongjin ace as Soulkey instead of sOs didn't work out well and having Stats as the KT fantasy point harvester completely failed because KT chose two other guys to all-kill twice. T_T
And Light achieved one win and got handed two losses in his games. I couldn't watch any of them, it's still okay for a three-pointer, I guess, but I must admit that I expected a bit more out of him. I hope he'll get better results in the following weeks, I still believe in him, although I can't help but wish I put my money on free instead.
We'll see what the next week brings, I don't think there's much of a reason for hasty trades yet.
Oh damn, I knew that flash was right when he said that wookie is going to AK Damn you flash.
EDIT : Oh fantasy, you so silly ....
What is the spoiler policy for SPL games ?
if you visit this thread without knowing the results, you are not an intelligent man ...
i hope EGTL stays cheaper than WJS, i want to get rid of WJS for W2 (they are playing KT and SKT) and want trade them for EGTL (playing Khan and CJ, imo the weakest teams atm).
Why would you trade WJS? Yea they are playing KT but stars was #2 overall in round 1 and even managed to 4-0 KT after KT won their first 2 sets 4-0 and 4-1 (EG-TL, Team 8). I'm keeping WJS myself because I don't think EG-TL (or any team for that matter) will net that much more points overall, esp with trade tax.
TL so slow with the updates t.t been refreshing constantly past 2 days can't wait to see new ranks
Oh damn, I knew that flash was right when he said that wookie is going to AK Damn you flash.
EDIT : Oh fantasy, you so silly ....
What is the spoiler policy for SPL games ?
if you visit this thread without knowing the results, you are not an intelligent man ...
i hope EGTL stays cheaper than WJS, i want to get rid of WJS for W2 (they are playing KT and SKT) and want trade them for EGTL (playing Khan and CJ, imo the weakest teams atm).
Why would you trade WJS? Yea they are playing KT but stars was #2 overall in round 1 and even managed to 4-0 KT after KT won their first 2 sets 4-0 and 4-1 (EG-TL, Team 8). I'm keeping WJS myself because I don't think EG-TL (or any team for that matter) will net that much more points overall, esp with trade tax.
TL so slow with the updates t.t been refreshing constantly past 2 days can't wait to see new ranks
KT and SKT1 are both top4 teams, Khan and CJ are bottom2 imo (my personal ranking for winners league would be something like: EGTL, SKT1, WJS, KT, STX, T8, CJ, Khan). I just think its worth 1point to trade away the team with the hardest matches, they just need to win a single map more to make it a break even trade, so i think the expected value is higher with EGTL than WJS. But i have to check lineups and week3+4 draws to make a final decision ofc. They send out Thorzain and HuK als starters? no way i gonna buy them^^ (except maybe HuK 5-0s his Up&Down group xD)
Trading a team does not incur a -1 trade tax (at least it did not last round). But it will use up one of the two allowed trades that you can make for your main team per week.
I really wanted to take Woongjin this round too but I couldn't managed to feel satisfied with my main team so I choose to downgrade. SKT might not win this round but they certainly have a lot of strong points here. They have the best one-two ace combo of all KeSPA teams (Rain & FanTaSy), and a strong third man in soO.
The issues they have come from the last player that they'll need to field. Among the remaining players only s2 has a winning record in R1, ParalyzE is 1-1 and the rest lost some games. We haven't seen sSak yet and since he qualified for Code A once, one can expect him to be fielded.
My captain choice was really obvious. I'm a very rational in my choices (aka I don't pick KT and pray for the best) so I knew I had to pick a reliable protoss player. Why a protoss ? Well the match-ups are hugely favoring of them right now and KeSPA zergs struggles in the ProLeague format. Thus I had to pick someone among {Rain, sOs, herO, HerO, Stats}. Rain is way too costly, herO is inconsistent, Stats is good but Wooki was chosen over him in Week 1 and HerO is setting up for another year of crying on stage until he finally wins DHW13 again. sOs is a reliable player who played all matches for WJS. He was the natural choice for me.
Winner's League is a wierd format, one very difficult to predict and once you've picked your reliable ace, you are left with a few possibilities. I decided to go for a week by week approach in that I will pick players that I am confident will bring me point on the week I have them. This is obviously very tricky because I don't know the line-ups; as such I have to bet on starters and on players that will play a lot despite not being the best out there especially since there is a lack of good 4p players (aside from Cure).
First of all I need a cheap Zerg. Revival is the one I am going for. He plays for EG-TL a team that despite the plethora of its stars has a lot of commitment to honor - contrary to KeSPA teams, he is better and more well-rounded than Zenio and will play more the first week than Stephano or Jaedong will. He is also starting like Light, BeSt. I think both of them can win at least one game.
I then I had 8 points remaining. I needed another reliable players, one that would give me points no matter what happens. Wooki was my choice here. KT's streak is almost indecent and one cannot hope to see them continue like that for much longer but Wooki is a terrific PvP sniper. He starts against Dear this week and despite the latter being one of STX stronger player, he stands no chance against Wooki. Lastly I picked Bbyong, I don't expect a lot of him but he is the only terran on CJ that isn't a huge liability. He is bound to play games from time to time.
For a long time, my Anti-Team was bound to be {Stork, JangBi, hyvaa} but Stork and JangBi are actually the only viable players on Khan (RorO remains in let-down land) and they will play each game. Being Protosses they will win sometimes ... Furthermore there is a lot of risks involved since you have 2 (3) players that need not to perform.
As such I decided to pick Jaedong as the central point of my Anti. He won't play during the first week because he needs to prepare for other tournaments. hyvaa is a terrible player who boasts a terrible 35% win in SC2 in a team that I think is the worst (yes they are behind Khan). Lastly I pick Major, for the first few weeks, he won't play and he is on a weak team.
our thoughts were quite similar, but i thought KT and especially Wookie were on an upswing and so i didnt want them on my team. Clearly i could be more wrong^^
and you didnt find a single point u could invest in WJS? I took a 2pointer instead of a 3pointer, so i could afford WJS, good decision imo
On January 09 2013 02:53 Otolia wrote: [...] and HerO is setting up for another year of crying on stage until he finally wins DHW13 again. [...] [...]hyvaa is a terrible player who boasts a terrible 35% win in SC2 in a team that I think is the worst (yes they are behind Khan).
On January 09 2013 09:04 elfonse wrote: they should accept volunteers to do the updates, unless its too much power for a stranger to have
Yea but I think they are working out the trade value differences. Like Revival should definitely go up, dunno if they have an algorithm for that or just winging it
There was some formula mentioned in older seasons/threads. I think the manual work is about entering all new results into the database. Generally, when they are in the mood, they can do lightning speed updates sometimes. So it does seem the delay until update largely depends on how much certain staff members benefit score-wise from these new updates. They'd rather prolong the current ranking if the old one looks better for them personally.
On January 09 2013 02:53 Otolia wrote: I'm a very rational in my choices (aka I don't pick KT and pray for the best)
The rational choice was still KT, not SKT, even at cost 6 versus 4. That's based on their respective achieved FPL points last round. Even having in mind the changes in this round, still the amount of expected points from KT, based on their previous round, would more than justify their cost. Even though being the most expensive team, KT in the beginning of R2 was the most cost-beneficial team of all teams, bringing the highest score per cost. Thus actually being the cheapest deal.
On January 09 2013 09:15 figq wrote: There was some formula mentioned in older seasons/threads. I think the manual work is about entering all new results into the database. Generally, when they are in the mood, they can do lightning speed updates sometimes. So it does seem the delay until update largely depends on how much certain staff members benefit score-wise from these new updates. They'd rather prolong the current ranking if the old one looks better for them personally.
On January 09 2013 02:53 Otolia wrote: I'm a very rational in my choices (aka I don't pick KT and pray for the best)
The rational choice was still KT, not SKT, even at cost 6 versus 4. That's based on their respective achieved FPL points last round. Even having in mind the changes in this round, still the amount of expected points from KT, based on their previous round, would more than justify their cost. Even though being the most expensive team, KT in the beginning of R2 was the most cost-beneficial team of all teams, bringing the highest score per cost. Thus actually being the cheapest deal.
I used to refresh it too in round 1 like crazy, but I'm doing so bad in round 2 that I don't even care anymore ) I'm just gonna wait for round 3
Wasn't SKT the rational choice since Rain is the best kespa player and protoss are doing good, as well as having Fantasy top terran to clean up and soO as backup?
For all-kill format SKT looked like the better deal.
Sure, but I trust numbers. And they said KT. By a large margin. SKT was like the third or fourth team by cost-benefit.
I admit to have had exactly such dilemma - to exchange KT with SKT and thus free up 2 more money for a bigger player. But the difference in expected scores was just too high to neglect.
On January 09 2013 09:37 figq wrote: Sure, but I trust numbers. And they said KT. By a large margin. SKT was like the third or fourth team by cost-benefit.
I admit to have had exactly such dilemma - to exchange KT with SKT and thus free up 2 more money for a bigger player. But the difference in expected scores was just too high to neglect.
I would like to know, what algorithm you used to compute how much points a team should earn in completely different format (assuming you used R1 data in order to predict R2). Cause however I look at it, Rain/Fantasy/soO SHOULD have been better value then Flash/Stats/Wooki/Action/Crazy-Hydra in this format. Of course, nothing goes as we think
Ah but see, they SHOULD have been (much!) better in the last round too, isn't it so? But they weren't. (no idea why, really... for some reason KT just works, for now) I guess as a similar example, look at IM in many GSTLs when they failed to score well, despite having the 2-3 best individual players in the world, and more.
I haven't used a complex algorithm. Just reducing all team scores by some range of factors, because with the new format and scoring, the team as an FPL slot was supposed to bring lower score overall. And even then it looked that having the highest scoring team (per cost) would be worth the money over having some better player.
On January 09 2013 09:52 figq wrote: Ah but see, they SHOULD have been (much!) better in the last round too, isn't it so? But they weren't. (no idea why, really... for some reason KT just works, for now) I guess as a similar example, look at IM in many GSTLs when they failed to score well, despite having the 2-3 best individual players in the world, and more.
Thats basically why I pulled out the format in the first place. Because, actually, KT has deeper roster than SKT atm, even WJS and EGTL imo have deeper lineup. So all those teams should be actually doing better then SKT in standard proleague format (and they did, with the exception of EGTL). But in allkill, the double-ace combo of Fantasy/Rain + soO as backup, they should have been the best. And who knows, maybe they will. But man, KT actually does look very scary, Flash all-kill, Wooki all-kill. If they start with Stats next match and he all-kills also, it will be tough for anyone who doesnt have KT as a team.
On January 09 2013 09:52 figq wrote: I haven't used a complex algorithm. Just reducing all team scores by some range of factors, because with the new format and scoring, the team as an FPL slot was supposed to bring lower score overall. And even then it looked that having the highest scoring team (per cost) would be worth the money over having some better player.
I hope this KT spree will stop. I think that others teams have a chance if it stops at the second week, after that the advantage will be too big. Even if it stops the KT players value will be so high the original KT pickers. Ill be able to trade for everyone .
I'd say Action. Action may have a good Round1 record, but his opponents were just not that good. And KT has pretty strong opponents in Week2, so i dont think Action will be able to win multiple games. Even if KT has to use 4 players, its quite possible that they wont send out Action. Speed on the other hand is almost guaranteed to play on T8 (same for Jaehoon and BaBy).
On January 09 2013 10:57 antilyon wrote: Woot! I'm 12th now! But Speed is wrecking my anti-team and I need to get rid of him asap. Any suggestions?
Do you really need to get him off asap? I would wait to see if you can see the line-up for next weekend and make your choice then. I'm not really sure how anti-team trade works with the trade value so I dunno who to suggest. I'm considering trading zenio from my main but I think I may wait a few more matches, maybe even do this round no trades.
On January 09 2013 11:26 antilyon wrote: Problem( or luck ), is that I already have action on my anti :s
I'm thinking abouswitching Speed with Jaedong, JangBi or Stephano, but I think I'll wait to watch a match of stephano in korea before deciding.
I wouldnt recommend getting Jangi on anti. With RorO being fail, he is the one who will win the games for Khan (as it should be ^^). And, to be honest, I watched his games this week and even though he lost 2 and won 2, he looked VERY good! Much better than R1. I fully expect him to be 8-9 points worth at the start of R5.
Although, of course HotS may do weird things to player values/performance -.-
Haha, Beasty would be 2nd if he didn't have JangBi on his anti.
Can't believe I'm still rank 2 in my group, fuckin David with 44 points ><. Dropping CJ for 8th Team has come up in my mind but I'm going to stick with em going into round 2, probably won't even need to trade depending on starters.
maybe JD, cause it seems like the put out Revival and Stephano will also play while in Korea. Add JYP/HerO/Taeja and JD wont play that often. Problem is, JD is a very good ZvZ Sniper, so u might lose some points.
JangBi and Stephano are bad choices imo, JangBi case of what the guy above me said, Stephano cause he is just good, he will own every Terran and Protoss (he actually knows how to play vs Protoss, not like most of the Kespa Zergs). If he improves in ZvZ I see Stephano winning quite some points
I was planning on adding Stephano to my anti team in week two, but when I try to trade him into my team it says "This player is restricted and cannot be traded to your anti-team!". I remember reading that he was supposed to be available for your anti team in week two.
Can someone explain why it isn't working? Thanks in advance.
On January 09 2013 14:23 Raiquer wrote: I was planning on adding Stephano to my anti team in week two, but when I try to trade him into my team it says "This player is restricted and cannot be traded to your anti-team!". I remember reading that he was supposed to be available for your anti team in week two.
Can someone explain why it isn't working? Thanks in advance.
This was a mistake. Stephano has since been enabled for anti-teams. Thanks for bringing it to our attention. Anyone see any problems with scoring, especially with players who broke streaks?
On January 09 2013 14:23 Raiquer wrote: I was planning on adding Stephano to my anti team in week two, but when I try to trade him into my team it says "This player is restricted and cannot be traded to your anti-team!". I remember reading that he was supposed to be available for your anti team in week two.
Can someone explain why it isn't working? Thanks in advance.
This was a mistake. Stephano has since been enabled for anti-teams. Thanks for bringing it to our attention. Anyone see any problems with scoring, especially with players who broke streaks?
well last night suddenly got me top100 (#90), and with only KT-SKT coming up where my players play each other (and khan-STX for anti) i'm very happy already. Taking Wooki over Stats made my week and Revival and JYP both gave me decent points (or more in Revival's case). Hoping Fanta keeps his performance up and is sent out before sOo next time so he gets all the wins (or as ace to break streaks ofc) Dont think im going to trade people this week at least, unless some 1-pointer is going to start, then i might...
AMG, well thats cost me. 30points Trade Value for Stephano w t f. I wasn't putting him in week one of R2 due to fact he wasn't there, now he is there i was like ok, i trade him in asap...oh wait i can't afford.....rofl ;_;
On January 09 2013 17:59 Pandemona wrote: AMG, well thats cost me. 30points Trade Value for Stephano w t f. I wasn't putting him in week one of R2 due to fact he wasn't there, now he is there i was like ok, i trade him in asap...oh wait i can't afford.....rofl ;_;
Naughty TL xD
you can trade Fantasy for Stephano. Who did you think you can trade for him? Ofc you cant trade your 3P - 5P players for Stephano (who was worth 8 i think?) after one week. why would you think that was possible?^^
On January 09 2013 14:23 Raiquer wrote: I was planning on adding Stephano to my anti team in week two, but when I try to trade him into my team it says "This player is restricted and cannot be traded to your anti-team!". I remember reading that he was supposed to be available for your anti team in week two.
Can someone explain why it isn't working? Thanks in advance.
This was a mistake. Stephano has since been enabled for anti-teams. Thanks for bringing it to our attention. Anyone see any problems with scoring, especially with players who broke streaks?
On January 09 2013 17:59 Pandemona wrote: AMG, well thats cost me. 30points Trade Value for Stephano w t f. I wasn't putting him in week one of R2 due to fact he wasn't there, now he is there i was like ok, i trade him in asap...oh wait i can't afford.....rofl ;_;
Naughty TL xD
you can trade Fantasy for Stephano. Who did you think you can trade for him? Ofc you cant trade your 3P - 5P players for Stephano (who was worth 8 i think?) after one week. why would you think that was possible?^^
Because he was like worth 5 at the draft. So i assumed he would still be worth 5 as he is yet to actually play a game, how can you increase someones points without them even playing a game xD
On January 09 2013 17:59 Pandemona wrote: AMG, well thats cost me. 30points Trade Value for Stephano w t f. I wasn't putting him in week one of R2 due to fact he wasn't there, now he is there i was like ok, i trade him in asap...oh wait i can't afford.....rofl ;_;
Naughty TL xD
you can trade Fantasy for Stephano. Who did you think you can trade for him? Ofc you cant trade your 3P - 5P players for Stephano (who was worth 8 i think?) after one week. why would you think that was possible?^^
Because he was like worth 5 at the draft. So i assumed he would still be worth 5 as he is yet to actually play a game, how can you increase someones points without them even playing a game xD
On January 09 2013 17:59 Pandemona wrote: AMG, well thats cost me. 30points Trade Value for Stephano w t f. I wasn't putting him in week one of R2 due to fact he wasn't there, now he is there i was like ok, i trade him in asap...oh wait i can't afford.....rofl ;_;
Naughty TL xD
you can trade Fantasy for Stephano. Who did you think you can trade for him? Ofc you cant trade your 3P - 5P players for Stephano (who was worth 8 i think?) after one week. why would you think that was possible?^^
Because he was like worth 5 at the draft. So i assumed he would still be worth 5 as he is yet to actually play a game, how can you increase someones points without them even playing a game xD
He was worth 8.
So he should be worth 16 now? Yet i can't chage any of my players for him (ones worth 16+ points ;_; )
But instead he is worth 30 points and just impossible to move into your team now. Which i find quite amazing really, as he scored -2 for not even playing last week in round 2, yet he is still worth 30
Stephano scored 1 point (EG-TL team win). What you're referring to is the trade value and in the case of Stephano a delta of said value of -2.00 (his trade value fell from 8.00 to 6.00, his adjusted trade value from 32.00 to 30.00). Trade values will usually go down when the respective player did not play or lost games, or if his team did not win some or all their matches. Also, high-value players, i.e. those that are expected to play and win a lot, are prone to losing more absolute value than those valued less. Likewise, players with a low or moderate value that are doing well by winning a lot of maps will see greater jumps in trade value.
As you can see, players who played in both their team's matches, or those who won a lot of maps, see the biggest increases this week. Flash as well as Wooki only came out for a single match each, both all-killed. Yet you see a greater increase in trade value (TrVal) for Wooki than for Flash because the former is valued less than the latter, or to put it in plain words, Flash was expected to do well, Wooki less so, given their initial values. Players like Free and Revival, both valued less than Wooki, saw as big an increase because they came out in both matches and did really well, almost scoring as many points for their owners. And if a team wins both their matches a week, you'll even see the 1-pointer team members rise in value slightly. At the bottom of the table you find high-value players such as BaBy, Rain, TaeJa, and also Stephano that either disappointed or did not get to play this week to score points and thus did not live up to their initial value.
Finally, take note that you trade by trade value, not points. Why the trade value used on the Stats tab (TrVal) is not the same as the one used on the Trading tab (Adj TrVal) even though the same delta is applied to both, I have no idea. I asked R1CH about this before, but he didn't know either. It could be that the "adjusted" trade value takes additional factors into account, such as how many games a player could still play before the end of the round. Last round I've seen big jumps in that value from week to week and finally a zero value at the end of the round. So that supports that idea.
On January 09 2013 17:59 Pandemona wrote: AMG, well thats cost me. 30points Trade Value for Stephano w t f. I wasn't putting him in week one of R2 due to fact he wasn't there, now he is there i was like ok, i trade him in asap...oh wait i can't afford.....rofl ;_;
Naughty TL xD
you can trade Fantasy for Stephano. Who did you think you can trade for him? Ofc you cant trade your 3P - 5P players for Stephano (who was worth 8 i think?) after one week. why would you think that was possible?^^
Because he was like worth 5 at the draft. So i assumed he would still be worth 5 as he is yet to actually play a game, how can you increase someones points without them even playing a game xD
He was worth 8.
So he should be worth 16 now? Yet i can't chage any of my players for him (ones worth 16+ points ;_; )
But instead he is worth 30 points and just impossible to move into your team now. Which i find quite amazing really, as he scored -2 for not even playing last week in round 2, yet he is still worth 30
8$. We didn't know the point values. His value lowered since he didn't play so now he is worth the equivalent of maybe 7? I don't understand what you don't get.
On January 09 2013 17:59 Pandemona wrote: AMG, well thats cost me. 30points Trade Value for Stephano w t f. I wasn't putting him in week one of R2 due to fact he wasn't there, now he is there i was like ok, i trade him in asap...oh wait i can't afford.....rofl ;_;
Naughty TL xD
you can trade Fantasy for Stephano. Who did you think you can trade for him? Ofc you cant trade your 3P - 5P players for Stephano (who was worth 8 i think?) after one week. why would you think that was possible?^^
Because he was like worth 5 at the draft. So i assumed he would still be worth 5 as he is yet to actually play a game, how can you increase someones points without them even playing a game xD
He was worth 8.
So he should be worth 16 now? Yet i can't chage any of my players for him (ones worth 16+ points ;_; )
But instead he is worth 30 points and just impossible to move into your team now. Which i find quite amazing really, as he scored -2 for not even playing last week in round 2, yet he is still worth 30
8$. We didn't know the point values. His value lowered since he didn't play so now he is worth the equivalent of maybe 7? I don't understand what you don't get.
I don't get why his trade value is 30 points :S and i cant trade him in due to that. I don't get how he is worth 30 points.
On January 09 2013 17:59 Pandemona wrote: AMG, well thats cost me. 30points Trade Value for Stephano w t f. I wasn't putting him in week one of R2 due to fact he wasn't there, now he is there i was like ok, i trade him in asap...oh wait i can't afford.....rofl ;_;
Naughty TL xD
you can trade Fantasy for Stephano. Who did you think you can trade for him? Ofc you cant trade your 3P - 5P players for Stephano (who was worth 8 i think?) after one week. why would you think that was possible?^^
Because he was like worth 5 at the draft. So i assumed he would still be worth 5 as he is yet to actually play a game, how can you increase someones points without them even playing a game xD
He was worth 8.
So he should be worth 16 now? Yet i can't chage any of my players for him (ones worth 16+ points ;_; )
But instead he is worth 30 points and just impossible to move into your team now. Which i find quite amazing really, as he scored -2 for not even playing last week in round 2, yet he is still worth 30
8$. We didn't know the point values. His value lowered since he didn't play so now he is worth the equivalent of maybe 7? I don't understand what you don't get.
I don't get why his trade value is 30 points :S and i cant trade him in due to that. I don't get how he is worth 30 points.
Read what I wrote above. It's not "30 points", it's the "adjusted" trade value (nornal trade value times certain factors). It's likely as high as it is because the system expects Stephano to come out and win a lot before the end of the round.
On January 09 2013 17:59 Pandemona wrote: AMG, well thats cost me. 30points Trade Value for Stephano w t f. I wasn't putting him in week one of R2 due to fact he wasn't there, now he is there i was like ok, i trade him in asap...oh wait i can't afford.....rofl ;_;
Naughty TL xD
you can trade Fantasy for Stephano. Who did you think you can trade for him? Ofc you cant trade your 3P - 5P players for Stephano (who was worth 8 i think?) after one week. why would you think that was possible?^^
Because he was like worth 5 at the draft. So i assumed he would still be worth 5 as he is yet to actually play a game, how can you increase someones points without them even playing a game xD
He was worth 8.
So he should be worth 16 now? Yet i can't chage any of my players for him (ones worth 16+ points ;_; )
But instead he is worth 30 points and just impossible to move into your team now. Which i find quite amazing really, as he scored -2 for not even playing last week in round 2, yet he is still worth 30
8$. We didn't know the point values. His value lowered since he didn't play so now he is worth the equivalent of maybe 7? I don't understand what you don't get.
I don't get why his trade value is 30 points :S and i cant trade him in due to that. I don't get how he is worth 30 points.
Read what I wrote above. It's not "30 points", it's the "adjusted" trade value (nornal trade value times certain factors). It's likely as high as it is because the system expects Stephano to come out and win a lot before the end of the round.
Hmm so the systems is based on predictions from TL? Like they predicted EGTL to be top of SPL in round 1
Seems bit silly in that sense, but i guess rules are rules! Thanks for clearing it up
(Used to more standardized valuations in fantasy teams, ala premier league one (football))
On January 09 2013 17:59 Pandemona wrote: AMG, well thats cost me. 30points Trade Value for Stephano w t f. I wasn't putting him in week one of R2 due to fact he wasn't there, now he is there i was like ok, i trade him in asap...oh wait i can't afford.....rofl ;_;
Naughty TL xD
you can trade Fantasy for Stephano. Who did you think you can trade for him? Ofc you cant trade your 3P - 5P players for Stephano (who was worth 8 i think?) after one week. why would you think that was possible?^^
Because he was like worth 5 at the draft. So i assumed he would still be worth 5 as he is yet to actually play a game, how can you increase someones points without them even playing a game xD
He was worth 8.
So he should be worth 16 now? Yet i can't chage any of my players for him (ones worth 16+ points ;_; )
But instead he is worth 30 points and just impossible to move into your team now. Which i find quite amazing really, as he scored -2 for not even playing last week in round 2, yet he is still worth 30
8$. We didn't know the point values. His value lowered since he didn't play so now he is worth the equivalent of maybe 7? I don't understand what you don't get.
I don't get why his trade value is 30 points :S and i cant trade him in due to that. I don't get how he is worth 30 points.
Read what I wrote above. It's not "30 points", it's the "adjusted" trade value (nornal trade value times certain factors). It's likely as high as it is because the system expects Stephano to come out and win a lot before the end of the round.
Hmm so the systems is based on predictions from TL? Like they predicted EGTL to be top of SPL in round 1
Seems bit silly in that sense, but i guess rules are rules! Thanks for clearing it up
(Used to more standardized valuations in fantasy teams, ala premier league one (football))
Not exactly I don't want to say too much but all the points are valued what they are for a reason. We put a ton of thought into all the point values.
On January 09 2013 17:59 Pandemona wrote: AMG, well thats cost me. 30points Trade Value for Stephano w t f. I wasn't putting him in week one of R2 due to fact he wasn't there, now he is there i was like ok, i trade him in asap...oh wait i can't afford.....rofl ;_;
Naughty TL xD
you can trade Fantasy for Stephano. Who did you think you can trade for him? Ofc you cant trade your 3P - 5P players for Stephano (who was worth 8 i think?) after one week. why would you think that was possible?^^
Because he was like worth 5 at the draft. So i assumed he would still be worth 5 as he is yet to actually play a game, how can you increase someones points without them even playing a game xD
He was worth 8.
So he should be worth 16 now? Yet i can't chage any of my players for him (ones worth 16+ points ;_; )
But instead he is worth 30 points and just impossible to move into your team now. Which i find quite amazing really, as he scored -2 for not even playing last week in round 2, yet he is still worth 30
8$. We didn't know the point values. His value lowered since he didn't play so now he is worth the equivalent of maybe 7? I don't understand what you don't get.
I don't get why his trade value is 30 points :S and i cant trade him in due to that. I don't get how he is worth 30 points.
Read what I wrote above. It's not "30 points", it's the "adjusted" trade value (nornal trade value times certain factors). It's likely as high as it is because the system expects Stephano to come out and win a lot before the end of the round.
Hmm so the systems is based on predictions from TL? Like they predicted EGTL to be top of SPL in round 1
Seems bit silly in that sense, but i guess rules are rules! Thanks for clearing it up
(Used to more standardized valuations in fantasy teams, ala premier league one (football))
Stephano costed 8$ at first. His trade value was probably 40 but now that he hasn't played at all it's 30. He was worth that much because he could all-kill any single team out there, I guess. Or could lose. 8$ is kinda cheap for someone who was able to 4-kill the crop of the crop koreans at GSL WC honestly.
edit : But since it's his first real time in korean league, and the fact that proleague has weird maps zergs have troubles on, it's normal his value isn't that high yet.
On January 09 2013 17:59 Pandemona wrote: AMG, well thats cost me. 30points Trade Value for Stephano w t f. I wasn't putting him in week one of R2 due to fact he wasn't there, now he is there i was like ok, i trade him in asap...oh wait i can't afford.....rofl ;_;
Naughty TL xD
you can trade Fantasy for Stephano. Who did you think you can trade for him? Ofc you cant trade your 3P - 5P players for Stephano (who was worth 8 i think?) after one week. why would you think that was possible?^^
Because he was like worth 5 at the draft. So i assumed he would still be worth 5 as he is yet to actually play a game, how can you increase someones points without them even playing a game xD
He was worth 8.
So he should be worth 16 now? Yet i can't chage any of my players for him (ones worth 16+ points ;_; )
But instead he is worth 30 points and just impossible to move into your team now. Which i find quite amazing really, as he scored -2 for not even playing last week in round 2, yet he is still worth 30
8$. We didn't know the point values. His value lowered since he didn't play so now he is worth the equivalent of maybe 7? I don't understand what you don't get.
I don't get why his trade value is 30 points :S and i cant trade him in due to that. I don't get how he is worth 30 points.
Read what I wrote above. It's not "30 points", it's the "adjusted" trade value (nornal trade value times certain factors). It's likely as high as it is because the system expects Stephano to come out and win a lot before the end of the round.
Hmm so the systems is based on predictions from TL? Like they predicted EGTL to be top of SPL in round 1
Seems bit silly in that sense, but i guess rules are rules! Thanks for clearing it up
(Used to more standardized valuations in fantasy teams, ala premier league one (football))
Not exactly I don't want to say too much but all the points are valued what they are for a reason. We put a ton of thought into all the point values.
Yeah i do understand, it must be a lot of working doing something like this, especially trying to valuate KESPA pro's who have hardly been seen playing SC2 (the squad players for each teams that is). I'm just not used to this kind of format in fantasy games, as i said football fantasy is alot easier to fathom.
On January 09 2013 17:59 Pandemona wrote: AMG, well thats cost me. 30points Trade Value for Stephano w t f. I wasn't putting him in week one of R2 due to fact he wasn't there, now he is there i was like ok, i trade him in asap...oh wait i can't afford.....rofl ;_;
Naughty TL xD
you can trade Fantasy for Stephano. Who did you think you can trade for him? Ofc you cant trade your 3P - 5P players for Stephano (who was worth 8 i think?) after one week. why would you think that was possible?^^
Because he was like worth 5 at the draft. So i assumed he would still be worth 5 as he is yet to actually play a game, how can you increase someones points without them even playing a game xD
He was worth 8.
So he should be worth 16 now? Yet i can't chage any of my players for him (ones worth 16+ points ;_; )
But instead he is worth 30 points and just impossible to move into your team now. Which i find quite amazing really, as he scored -2 for not even playing last week in round 2, yet he is still worth 30
8$. We didn't know the point values. His value lowered since he didn't play so now he is worth the equivalent of maybe 7? I don't understand what you don't get.
I don't get why his trade value is 30 points :S and i cant trade him in due to that. I don't get how he is worth 30 points.
Read what I wrote above. It's not "30 points", it's the "adjusted" trade value (nornal trade value times certain factors). It's likely as high as it is because the system expects Stephano to come out and win a lot before the end of the round.
Hmm so the systems is based on predictions from TL? Like they predicted EGTL to be top of SPL in round 1
Seems bit silly in that sense, but i guess rules are rules! Thanks for clearing it up
(Used to more standardized valuations in fantasy teams, ala premier league one (football))
Stephano costed 8$ at first. His trade value was probably 40 but now that he hasn't played at all it's 30. He was worth that much because he could all-kill any single team out there, I guess. Or could lose. 8$ is kinda cheap for someone who was able to 4-kill the crop of the crop koreans at GSL WC honestly.
edit : But since it's his first real time in korean league, and the fact that proleague has weird maps zergs have troubles on, it's normal his value isn't that high yet.
I guess, i just thought would be different sort of way valuations would work. Thanks for helping clear it up
A note though, Stephano didn't all kill a korean team in GSL WC. Won 4 games, vs an out of form MC, DRG and Seed. The only real accomplishment in that was beating LIfe who was pretty good, and was a 4 streak of his own. He then lost to Squirtle.
On January 09 2013 18:44 Zeon0 wrote: [quote] you can trade Fantasy for Stephano. Who did you think you can trade for him? Ofc you cant trade your 3P - 5P players for Stephano (who was worth 8 i think?) after one week. why would you think that was possible?^^
Because he was like worth 5 at the draft. So i assumed he would still be worth 5 as he is yet to actually play a game, how can you increase someones points without them even playing a game xD
He was worth 8.
So he should be worth 16 now? Yet i can't chage any of my players for him (ones worth 16+ points ;_; )
But instead he is worth 30 points and just impossible to move into your team now. Which i find quite amazing really, as he scored -2 for not even playing last week in round 2, yet he is still worth 30
8$. We didn't know the point values. His value lowered since he didn't play so now he is worth the equivalent of maybe 7? I don't understand what you don't get.
I don't get why his trade value is 30 points :S and i cant trade him in due to that. I don't get how he is worth 30 points.
Read what I wrote above. It's not "30 points", it's the "adjusted" trade value (nornal trade value times certain factors). It's likely as high as it is because the system expects Stephano to come out and win a lot before the end of the round.
Hmm so the systems is based on predictions from TL? Like they predicted EGTL to be top of SPL in round 1
Seems bit silly in that sense, but i guess rules are rules! Thanks for clearing it up
(Used to more standardized valuations in fantasy teams, ala premier league one (football))
Not exactly I don't want to say too much but all the points are valued what they are for a reason. We put a ton of thought into all the point values.
Yeah i do understand, it must be a lot of working doing something like this, especially trying to valuate KESPA pro's who have hardly been seen playing SC2 (the squad players for each teams that is). I'm just not used to this kind of format in fantasy games, as i said football fantasy is alot easier to fathom.
On January 09 2013 18:44 Zeon0 wrote: [quote] you can trade Fantasy for Stephano. Who did you think you can trade for him? Ofc you cant trade your 3P - 5P players for Stephano (who was worth 8 i think?) after one week. why would you think that was possible?^^
Because he was like worth 5 at the draft. So i assumed he would still be worth 5 as he is yet to actually play a game, how can you increase someones points without them even playing a game xD
He was worth 8.
So he should be worth 16 now? Yet i can't chage any of my players for him (ones worth 16+ points ;_; )
But instead he is worth 30 points and just impossible to move into your team now. Which i find quite amazing really, as he scored -2 for not even playing last week in round 2, yet he is still worth 30
8$. We didn't know the point values. His value lowered since he didn't play so now he is worth the equivalent of maybe 7? I don't understand what you don't get.
I don't get why his trade value is 30 points :S and i cant trade him in due to that. I don't get how he is worth 30 points.
Read what I wrote above. It's not "30 points", it's the "adjusted" trade value (nornal trade value times certain factors). It's likely as high as it is because the system expects Stephano to come out and win a lot before the end of the round.
Hmm so the systems is based on predictions from TL? Like they predicted EGTL to be top of SPL in round 1
Seems bit silly in that sense, but i guess rules are rules! Thanks for clearing it up
(Used to more standardized valuations in fantasy teams, ala premier league one (football))
Stephano costed 8$ at first. His trade value was probably 40 but now that he hasn't played at all it's 30. He was worth that much because he could all-kill any single team out there, I guess. Or could lose. 8$ is kinda cheap for someone who was able to 4-kill the crop of the crop koreans at GSL WC honestly.
edit : But since it's his first real time in korean league, and the fact that proleague has weird maps zergs have troubles on, it's normal his value isn't that high yet.
I guess, i just thought would be different sort of way valuations would work. Thanks for helping clear it up
A note though, Stephano didn't all kill a korean team in GSL WC. Won 4 games, vs an out of form MC, DRG and Seed. The only real accomplishment in that was beating LIfe who was pretty good, and was a 4 streak of his own. He then lost to Squirtle.
I didn't say he all-killed them. I said he 4-killed them and that he COULD perform all-kills in proleague. Beating MC, DRG and Seed is also an accomplishment since Stephano was supposed to be out of form too .
Not at that time no it was not. Seed isnt even in code a? MC was in Code A struggling at the time. DRG had just gone like 0-2 in his Code S group and was in shocking form. Like i said Life was the only real acomplishment from Stephano, but it was a BO1 win in a ZvZ...
But anyway that is not for this thread to be discussed is it!
On January 09 2013 17:59 Pandemona wrote: AMG, well thats cost me. 30points Trade Value for Stephano w t f. I wasn't putting him in week one of R2 due to fact he wasn't there, now he is there i was like ok, i trade him in asap...oh wait i can't afford.....rofl ;_;
Naughty TL xD
you can trade Fantasy for Stephano. Who did you think you can trade for him? Ofc you cant trade your 3P - 5P players for Stephano (who was worth 8 i think?) after one week. why would you think that was possible?^^
Because he was like worth 5 at the draft. So i assumed he would still be worth 5 as he is yet to actually play a game, how can you increase someones points without them even playing a game xD
He was worth 8.
So he should be worth 16 now? Yet i can't chage any of my players for him (ones worth 16+ points ;_; )
But instead he is worth 30 points and just impossible to move into your team now. Which i find quite amazing really, as he scored -2 for not even playing last week in round 2, yet he is still worth 30
8$. We didn't know the point values. His value lowered since he didn't play so now he is worth the equivalent of maybe 7? I don't understand what you don't get.
I don't get why his trade value is 30 points :S and i cant trade him in due to that. I don't get how he is worth 30 points.
Read what I wrote above. It's not "30 points", it's the "adjusted" trade value (nornal trade value times certain factors). It's likely as high as it is because the system expects Stephano to come out and win a lot before the end of the round.
Hmm so the systems is based on predictions from TL? Like they predicted EGTL to be top of SPL in round 1
Seems bit silly in that sense, but i guess rules are rules! Thanks for clearing it up
(Used to more standardized valuations in fantasy teams, ala premier league one (football))
That's basically what this game i all about. Seeing the values of players, identifying which ones are most overrated and getting them on anti-team and identifying which ones are most underrated and getting them on main team.
On January 09 2013 17:59 Pandemona wrote: AMG, well thats cost me. 30points Trade Value for Stephano w t f. I wasn't putting him in week one of R2 due to fact he wasn't there, now he is there i was like ok, i trade him in asap...oh wait i can't afford.....rofl ;_;
Naughty TL xD
you can trade Fantasy for Stephano. Who did you think you can trade for him? Ofc you cant trade your 3P - 5P players for Stephano (who was worth 8 i think?) after one week. why would you think that was possible?^^
Because he was like worth 5 at the draft. So i assumed he would still be worth 5 as he is yet to actually play a game, how can you increase someones points without them even playing a game xD
He was worth 8.
So he should be worth 16 now? Yet i can't chage any of my players for him (ones worth 16+ points ;_; )
But instead he is worth 30 points and just impossible to move into your team now. Which i find quite amazing really, as he scored -2 for not even playing last week in round 2, yet he is still worth 30
8$. We didn't know the point values. His value lowered since he didn't play so now he is worth the equivalent of maybe 7? I don't understand what you don't get.
I don't get why his trade value is 30 points :S and i cant trade him in due to that. I don't get how he is worth 30 points.
Read what I wrote above. It's not "30 points", it's the "adjusted" trade value (nornal trade value times certain factors). It's likely as high as it is because the system expects Stephano to come out and win a lot before the end of the round.
Hmm so the systems is based on predictions from TL? Like they predicted EGTL to be top of SPL in round 1
Seems bit silly in that sense, but i guess rules are rules! Thanks for clearing it up
(Used to more standardized valuations in fantasy teams, ala premier league one (football))
Not exactly I don't want to say too much but all the points are valued what they are for a reason. We put a ton of thought into all the point values.
Well you guys fucked me(More sHy did but still!) xD Both sHy and Stephano were same points, I put sHy on my anti so I could after week 1 trade him for Stephano.. but sHy did even better then I expected and now his trade Value leaves me with only Fantasy T.T so I am stuck with sHy on my anti team....FMFPL
At least Jangbang and Flash are getting me some good points to stay in the middle of the pack. Now the question is.. do I trade Storkuuu for CH or Jaehoon. or do I trade Reality for Flying? Gotta salvage my team some how and having 3 Khan players is not the answer...
Edit: Just noticed the nice little FPL link next to the liquidbets so convenient <3
Finished 64th, which I'm satisfied with. soO and Revival really pulled through for me the last week. I'm tempted to trade Jaehoon for Terminator. hmmm. Other than that, nothing really worth trading for... I'll just hope Jaedong never gets to play ;P.
well my anti team is gonna screw me once again. already -8 with jangbi..fuck i knew i shouldnt have picked him...guess i am fucked for good now since i cant trade him really
On January 10 2013 01:03 Zeon0 wrote: Shy in Antiteam :facepalm: :p
It was supposed to be for only one week xD His starting match against herO from CJ I was just hoping he'd lose that then expected him to grab a kill or two in the next game then I'd trade him off for Stephano... Instead he goes and gets his trade value to the top 3 so I'm now stuck with him(Flash is on my main and no fucking way I'm putting Fantasy on my anti) D:
On January 10 2013 01:13 Sigh wrote: Finished 64th, which I'm satisfied with. soO and Revival really pulled through for me the last week. I'm tempted to trade Jaehoon for Terminator. hmmm. Other than that, nothing really worth trading for... I'll just hope Jaedong never gets to play ;P.
This idea is so damn tempting. On the one hand terminator has gotten more points but on the other, is it worth the trade tax if theyre going to end a couple of points apart
why would you expect Shy to lose vs herO?^^ herO's time is over, he was just lucky the first few rounds
but I also wouldnt want Stephano on my anti, maybe in Week2 its no problem cause they are playing vs weaker opponents and i dont think Stephano will start, but when they get to play harder opponents he can score some points for sure
sHy has wonderful PvP record he wasn't going to lose to herO! He underperformed imo by scoring only one kill in two matches.
Looking back at round 1, trading Bbyong for a 1 pointer and picking KT would have brouhht better results, but it was a big gamble. Despite doing bad at around top 800 I like my picks overall. If TaeJa brings his shit together there is a way to finish high!
Dunno who to trade in anti-team, there are no safer bet than JaeDong I think atm :/.
On main team Speed is doing well so trading him would be a bad choice, Bbyong isn't but for who trade him t.t
JD was 7P right? So you couldnt change JD for Action(he was 6P) before FPL started? (its not possible to trade now, but I dont get how Tradevalues are calculated)
I think your Anti is nice, not sure if better than mine though. Imo there are quite some overrated Zergs out there, thats why I dont get why people put JangBi or JYP on their Anti^^
edit: yes, the link on the mainpage is very nice. Thanks for that!
On January 09 2013 23:38 Necro)Phagist( wrote: At least Jangbang and Flash are getting me some good points to stay in the middle of the pack. Now the question is.. do I trade Storkuuu for CH or Jaehoon. or do I trade Reality for Flying? Gotta salvage my team some how and having 3 Khan players is not the answer...
You could trade Stork for Crazy-Hydra if the latter is starting next week. Otherwise it's a gamble and it's likely that Action will be played before Crazy if there is a need for a zerg.
Trading Reality for Flying is even worse, free is doing well so they'll keep playing him as a sniper. After that sOs, Soulkey and ZerO will get priority. If Flying isn't starting, don't get him. If he is, well it's still very dangerous.
The question remains though : Why did you pick 3 Khan players ?
On January 10 2013 01:46 Zeon0 wrote: why would you expect Shy to lose vs herO?^^ herO's time is over, he was just lucky the first few rounds
but I also wouldnt want Stephano on my anti, maybe in Week2 its no problem cause they are playing vs weaker opponents and i dont think Stephano will start, but when they get to play harder opponents he can score some points for sure
I don't think herO's time is over at all and thought he had stronger PvP but I was wrong. As for Stephano, yea he might get some kills but for the points he was worth picking teams it was a steal for anti team. I don't buy the Stephano hype, his play never really impressed me and I expect the Kespa players to pick him apart in all honesty. I'm very sad I won't have him on my anti team.
On January 09 2013 23:38 Necro)Phagist( wrote: At least Jangbang and Flash are getting me some good points to stay in the middle of the pack. Now the question is.. do I trade Storkuuu for CH or Jaehoon. or do I trade Reality for Flying? Gotta salvage my team some how and having 3 Khan players is not the answer...
You could trade Stork for Crazy-Hydra if the latter is starting next week. Otherwise it's a gamble and it's likely that Action will be played before Crazy if there is a need for a zerg.
Trading Reality for Flying is even worse, free is doing well so they'll keep playing him as a sniper. After that sOs, Soulkey and ZerO will get priority. If Flying isn't starting, don't get him. If he is, well it's still very dangerous.
The question remains though : Why did you pick 3 Khan players ?
Reality was starting the first week and was cheap, was gambling on the off chance he might pick up a kill or two that game then trade him. Was planning on trading him this week no matter what but finding a player to trade him for now is more difficult then I anticipated. I love Stork and want to keep him but trading him offers more options so I'm stuck on what to do... I REALLLYYY fucked myself over this round with my picks..
My FPL is just absolutely terrible this time. Last time it wasn't good either, but at least decent. Free certainly did far far better than i thought he would do, but i hope that it doesn't continue.
I finished negative, but on the brightside, I finished better than dRaw, and really, isn't that all that matters . Quite honestly though, Khan disappointed me, I placed all my faith in them, and then they wrecked me lol.
Okay so... I'm going to trade Reality, just haven't decided for who yet... Best options I can really see are
1)Flying -As pointed out earlier though not a very good option 2)Mind - Don't think he'll get played(Or win) that often but gets free points when KT wins... 3)HoeJJa - I have 0 clue about his skill level in Sc2, might have picked him up if it was the play offs...Also free KT points... 4)Puma - not the best results as of late but will most likely play more then the others. Though he is in Vegas right now so doubt he will play this week...
On January 10 2013 02:23 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Okay so... I'm going to trade Reality, just haven't decided for who yet... Best options I can really see are
1)Flying -As pointed out earlier though not a very good option 2)Mind - Don't think he'll get played(Or win) that often but gets free points when KT wins... 3)HoeJJa - I have 0 clue about his skill level in Sc2, might have picked him up if it was the play offs...Also free KT points... 4)Puma - not the best results as of late but will most likely play more then the others. Though he is in Vegas right now so doubt he will play this week...
Any thoughts/suggestions
You could try to jump on sSak's train while he is still at the platform. There is no point in trading before the starters are announced.
On January 10 2013 01:46 Zeon0 wrote: why would you expect Shy to lose vs herO?^^ herO's time is over, he was just lucky the first few rounds
but I also wouldnt want Stephano on my anti, maybe in Week2 its no problem cause they are playing vs weaker opponents and i dont think Stephano will start, but when they get to play harder opponents he can score some points for sure
I don't think herO's time is over at all and thought he had stronger PvP but I was wrong. As for Stephano, yea he might get some kills but for the points he was worth picking teams it was a steal for anti team. I don't buy the Stephano hype, his play never really impressed me and I expect the Kespa players to pick him apart in all honesty. I'm very sad I won't have him on my anti team.
your SKT1 badge tells me you are from a BW background? I think (and dont judge me for my opinion) you guys overrate the average Kespa players. Yes, Rain, Flash, etc are very good, but we see this week how the average player does in the Up&Downs, even aces like Shy get slaughtered. On the other hand, EGTL underperforms in PL. I dont think anyone thinks, that two 4-0 from KT vs EGTL was a real assessment of their skills (might be wrong here, so many KT/Flash fanbois^^)
However, maybe I am wrong and the Kespa players really closed the gap, but I just cant believe that because of all the GSL results
On January 10 2013 02:23 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Okay so... I'm going to trade Reality, just haven't decided for who yet... Best options I can really see are
1)Flying -As pointed out earlier though not a very good option 2)Mind - Don't think he'll get played(Or win) that often but gets free points when KT wins... 3)HoeJJa - I have 0 clue about his skill level in Sc2, might have picked him up if it was the play offs...Also free KT points... 4)Puma - not the best results as of late but will most likely play more then the others. Though he is in Vegas right now so doubt he will play this week...
Any thoughts/suggestions
You could try to jump on sSak's train while he is still at the platform. There is no point in trading before the starters are announced.
I wasn't planning on trading until the line ups are out. Just trying to get a general idea of who I like more. The lineups usually come out on Thursday right?
Haha if sSak starts this week(Since I have nothing to lose) I will 100% jump all over that train
On January 10 2013 01:46 Zeon0 wrote: why would you expect Shy to lose vs herO?^^ herO's time is over, he was just lucky the first few rounds
but I also wouldnt want Stephano on my anti, maybe in Week2 its no problem cause they are playing vs weaker opponents and i dont think Stephano will start, but when they get to play harder opponents he can score some points for sure
I don't think herO's time is over at all and thought he had stronger PvP but I was wrong. As for Stephano, yea he might get some kills but for the points he was worth picking teams it was a steal for anti team. I don't buy the Stephano hype, his play never really impressed me and I expect the Kespa players to pick him apart in all honesty. I'm very sad I won't have him on my anti team.
your SKT1 badge tells me you are from a BW background? I think (and dont judge me for my opinion) you guys overrate the average Kespa players. Yes, Rain, Flash, etc are very good, but we see this week how the average player does in the Up&Downs, even aces like Shy get slaughtered. On the other hand, EGTL underperforms in PL. I dont think anyone thinks, that two 4-0 from KT vs EGTL was a real assessment of their skills (might be wrong here, so many KT/Flash fanbois^^)
However, maybe I am wrong and the Kespa players really closed the gap, but I just cant believe that because of all the GSL results
I started very late in BW but I still like to think of myself as having a BW background . Proleague is a different beast then GSL and I'm still not convinced Stephano will do any better in the GSL anyway. I think a lot of Kespa players have closed the gap to within and even distance(Slight advantage to eSF players still). It's not that I'm over rating kespa players it's more that I think Stephano is highly over rated.
But he consistently beats the best of the eSF players, you cant deny that. Ofc most of this games happen overseas and Koreans are better on their home turf. I dont think Stephano will allkill Kespa teams with ease, I just think he is on par with the top Kespa players, like Flash, Rain, Fantasy, Soulkey etc. (with advantages in vT and disadvantages vZ) and he is able do so.
Lets look at the players above Stephano (tradevalues):
Don't worry guys, I am the FPL curse. Every player I take under performs and every player on my anti goes above their skill. This round I decided to ride the SKT T1 wagon, grabbed Fantasy and Rain plus the team. I thought with two aces they couldn't lose Winners League, but I also put JYP on the anti so I'd like to apologize to all SKT T1 fans. Don't worry I'll take Flash next round.
I traded Speed for Stephano on my anti I hope that doesn't end up biting me in the ass. I wonder if I should trade Trap for Hyvaa or something, trap has been the biggest disappointment :/ I wish I picked up Terminator or someone instead (or better yet, speed)
Then again last round I did literally the second worst trade possible, so I'm pretty used to making bad trades haha
Okay guys, before lineups are announced how is this trade. RorO for Revival.
I don't want to trade RorO because he could get hot at any time, get some valuable points and may carry KHAN but Revival is just a solid pick. Revival is good and he is on a good (when it wants to be) team.
On January 10 2013 04:41 nooboon wrote: Okay guys, before lineups are announced how is this trade. RorO for Revival.
I don't want to trade RorO because he could get hot at any time, get some valuable points and may carry KHAN but Revival is just a solid pick. Revival is good and he is on a good (when it wants to be) team.
Keeping Roro on my team is the more risky option.
But Roro will probably play every Khan match, and the Revival probably won't.
On January 10 2013 04:41 nooboon wrote: Okay guys, before lineups are announced how is this trade. RorO for Revival.
I don't want to trade RorO because he could get hot at any time, get some valuable points and may carry KHAN but Revival is just a solid pick. Revival is good and he is on a good (when it wants to be) team.
Keeping Roro on my team is the more risky option.
The problem is that with Stephano coming to korea and Jaedong having finished his Up&Down group, there will be 2 other zergs so even though Revival is good, you can't really know if he will be fielded. Roro on the other hand will always be fielded, but you won't know when he will start to grab some kills. Since his team is doing badly I think Roro is less risky but has a less potential reward, whereas Revival is riskier (he has to be fielded, then he has to do kills, whereas Roro only has to do kills because he WILL be fielded) but with higher reward (Revival is performing better than Roro especially in teamleagues).
Traditionally one can expect a team like SKT to do well in Winner's League due to their aces. What they lack in depths compare to WJS, EG-TL or KT they make up by having a very strong 3-man team with soO, FanTaSy and Rain. Still they got their asses handed to themselves by EG-TL. Now it's not a huge upset as EG-TL is still one of the stronger team around but in my FPL team, it's a huge deal. Until KT finally comes back to earth (having a +21 map score is indecent), I am competing against those whose faith will never stop. As such it was a bad week.
It's unlikely I will ever trade them because it would mean that either Team 8 becomes so reliable it starts rolling over everyone or WJS starts falling down so hard they hit rock bottom. I am starting to regret being greedy for my first week and not picking Stars. We'll see ...
Captain : sOs (8p) - sOs got the job done this week. I am still wondering why he didn't get more wins against CJ but his closing against Khan was clutch despite not being flashy. Soulkey has lost his only game so far and it might shaped the form of the WJS team for this round : Opener, free (or another sniper), Soulkey (or ZerO) and sOs.
Players :
Wooki (11p) - I don't know what to say. KT players are doing extremely good this PL and Wooki might even be ranked ahead of Stats in their internal rankings. Kept
Bbyong (3p) - I didn't picked Bbyong so that he can rack me points but he is, until further notice, the top terran on CJ which means he will play a reasonable amount of time. I think he may open next week as Entus faces EG-TL with Neo Planet S as the first map. I could find someone who could win more but not likely someone who will play more for his price. Kept
Revival (7p) - I knew Jaedong and Stephano wouldn't be there the first week and I choose Revival as he was the only all-around zerg in the line-up. He failed against Flash but managed to defeat both soO and Rain to claim EG-TL win. Opportunity Trade
BeSt (3p) - He had one job, beating Last and increasing in value. I only picked him because he started this week but it may have been a mistake. sSak was played over him this week but he also lost. Among the untested and still somewhat reliable SKT players this week, there is s2. Possible Trade
Light (3p) - monk had his doubt, I was betting on him still being sufficiently good at SC2. I still don't know where he stands, but with the presence of BrAvO as a sniper, I think he won't play next week. I believe he still got it but the competition he faces on WJS might be too hard to overcome. Likely Traded
Anti - team :
Jaedong (7p) - As predicted, Jaedong didn't play. Now I have evaluate the likeliness of him playing next week. EG-TL have a rather quiet week but they might not have the room to take a break. Possible Trade
I think there is an endless debate that can be done about trading and the EGTL-team which kinda makes them all high risk compared to invested points.
1. Stephano is there now, and they will likely field him soon 2. Even if it can be done, it's probably unlikely that they will field 3 zerg in a all-kill round with both HerO and Taeja around 3. They might want to let Jaedong rest after his games in the Wildcard group.
Starting player for EGTL is very important, and since EGTL should be favored against CJ (as well as Khan later this week) you might not see that many players at all this week. Also RorO is probably good to have in the first match this week against STX but unless you think he will grab several wins against EGTL might be a liability after that.
thoughts on trading Light for Last? i have 2 other Stars players on my team and they have a rough week, plus Last starts against khan and already has a win ths season.... just not sure if it will make up for the 1 point tax and who you all think has more value in weeks to come
*edit* plus that proxy thor rush has me a little nervous haha
Stephano coming over and confirmed as participant with his start this coming week, EG-TL now has Taeja, HerO, Stephano, Revival whom they seem to like and Jaedong too. I can see JYP's playing chances really fall off now. Your going back on my anti-team buddy.
On January 10 2013 13:30 izmatic wrote: thoughts on trading Light for Last? i have 2 other Stars players on my team and they have a rough week, plus Last starts against khan and already has a win ths season.... just not sure if it will make up for the 1 point tax and who you all think has more value in weeks to come
*edit* plus that proxy thor rush has me a little nervous haha
It's a tough call. I think Light is actually a really strong player. The proxy thor rush shouldn't have you nervous. It's actually a really strong build given the meta. It should out right win just about any 1 gate expo build that protoss go these day in PvT. Stork didn't win because he knew Light was going to proxy. Stork probably expected early cc from Light and tried to also 1 base blink all in. if Light went for a different 1 base all in like 1-1-1 he probably would've taken the game, and a good chance of defending it even with a fe build if he scouted it early enough to get a defense. It wasn't Stork out mind gaming or Light choose a bad build. It's more bad luck that Stork blind countered it. The thing that doe worry me about Light is that Woongjin has such a strong line up in Soulkey/Shy/Zero and free is getting tons of play (starting again this week), and Bravo(Hon_sin) is a strong player as well, that Light won't get sent often.
I don't think Last is a good enough player to be worth the trade tax. He probably won't take more than 1 game off KHAN. I actually think Woongjin is the strongest team right now, they beat KT and SKT last round and they can certainly do it again. STX is performing quite weak right now, if KHAN is going to win any series this round it will be against STX.
Also. Stephano opening vs KHAN, and its vs brand new player, seems like KHAN is getting desperate and trying out their B teamers out. I'd say good chance for a Stephano all kill there. I'm going to trade Taeja for Stephano, especially considering Taeja is having wrist problems.
Revival starting again. Effort's ZvZ is pretty good, but if Revival can beat Leenock then this should be doable too. Definitely worth keeping.
Speed/Cure starting again, keep carrying Team 8 my man. I think I'll keep Jaedong on my anti for now, not really good choices except maybe HerO, but it's a coin flip between HerO and Jaedong getting sent out anyway so not worth the -1 tax.
On January 10 2013 13:30 izmatic wrote: thoughts on trading Light for Last? i have 2 other Stars players on my team and they have a rough week, plus Last starts against khan and already has a win ths season.... just not sure if it will make up for the 1 point tax and who you all think has more value in weeks to come
*edit* plus that proxy thor rush has me a little nervous haha
It's a tough call. I think Light is actually a really strong player. The proxy thor rush shouldn't have you nervous. It's actually a really strong build given the meta. It should out right win just about any 1 gate expo build that protoss go these day in PvT. Stork didn't win because he knew Light was going to proxy. Stork probably expected early cc from Light and tried to also 1 base blink all in. if Light went for a different 1 base all in like 1-1-1 he probably would've taken the game, and a good chance of defending it even with a fe build if he scouted it early enough to get a defense. It wasn't Stork out mind gaming or Light choose a bad build. It's more bad luck that Stork blind countered it. The thing that doe worry me about Light is that Woongjin has such a strong line up in Soulkey/Shy/Zero and free is getting tons of play (starting again this week), and Bravo(Hon_sin) is a strong player as well, that Light won't get sent often.
I don't think Last is a good enough player to be worth the trade tax. He probably won't take more than 1 game off KHAN. I actually think Woongjin is the strongest team right now, they beat KT and SKT last round and they can certainly do it again. STX is performing quite weak right now, if KHAN is going to win any series this round it will be against STX.
i agree that it was kind of a dumb luck build order thing, but his execution was pretty bad on it, ( probably cause he realised he was screwed) but he just seemed to walk the thor up and leave it too its fate. I think Light is a good player as well and feel a little jypped cause im pretty sure he beat Stork in a fairly straight up game as recently as the last week of Rnd1. Maybe im just eager to trade and it seems like one of my only viable option. although i also have Taeja and i like your thoughts on that as well. Anyways thx for your input, cool to pick the brain of a former champ =)
On January 10 2013 15:53 mrbamboo wrote: Also. Stephano opening vs KHAN, and its vs brand new player, seems like KHAN is getting desperate and trying out their B teamers out. I'd say good chance for a Stephano all kill there. I'm going to trade Taeja for Stephano, especially considering Taeja is having wrist problems.
Revival starting again. Effort's ZvZ is pretty good, but if Revival can beat Leenock then this should be doable too. Definitely worth keeping.
Speed/Cure starting again, keep carrying Team 8 my man. I think I'll keep Jaedong on my anti for now, not really good choices except maybe HerO, but it's a coin flip between HerO and Jaedong getting sent out anyway so not worth the -1 tax.
Revival is a cointoss, if he wins that first game he is probably worth keeping but since it's unlikely he will see play second game I'm trading him away for Stork.
Agree on Jaedong for anti, if EGTL want a second zerg for the game against CJ they might go with Stephano anyway and HerO is probably more likely to see play than him.
On January 10 2013 15:53 mrbamboo wrote: Also. Stephano opening vs KHAN, and its vs brand new player, seems like KHAN is getting desperate and trying out their B teamers out. I'd say good chance for a Stephano all kill there. I'm going to trade Taeja for Stephano, especially considering Taeja is having wrist problems.
Revival starting again. Effort's ZvZ is pretty good, but if Revival can beat Leenock then this should be doable too. Definitely worth keeping.
Speed/Cure starting again, keep carrying Team 8 my man. I think I'll keep Jaedong on my anti for now, not really good choices except maybe HerO, but it's a coin flip between HerO and Jaedong getting sent out anyway so not worth the -1 tax.
Revival is a cointoss, if he wins that first game he is probably worth keeping but since it's unlikely he will see play second game I'm trading him away for Stork.
Agree on Jaedong for anti, if EGTL want a second zerg for the game against CJ they might go with Stephano anyway and HerO is probably more likely to see play than him.
On January 10 2013 15:53 mrbamboo wrote: Also. Stephano opening vs KHAN, and its vs brand new player, seems like KHAN is getting desperate and trying out their B teamers out. I'd say good chance for a Stephano all kill there. I'm going to trade Taeja for Stephano, especially considering Taeja is having wrist problems.
Revival starting again. Effort's ZvZ is pretty good, but if Revival can beat Leenock then this should be doable too. Definitely worth keeping.
Speed/Cure starting again, keep carrying Team 8 my man. I think I'll keep Jaedong on my anti for now, not really good choices except maybe HerO, but it's a coin flip between HerO and Jaedong getting sent out anyway so not worth the -1 tax.
Revival is a cointoss, if he wins that first game he is probably worth keeping but since it's unlikely he will see play second game I'm trading him away for Stork.
Agree on Jaedong for anti, if EGTL want a second zerg for the game against CJ they might go with Stephano anyway and HerO is probably more likely to see play than him.
I don't think Jaedong is going to play vs CJ. He just finished a tournament in Vegas. We don't even know when he's flying back to korea. He might be too jet lagged to play during the first set of games.
Yeah Revival vs Effort is a coin flip, but I'd say he's favored against everyone else on CJ, so I think he's worth keeping in case of a streak. Regardless I actually think Revival is going to be a stable on EGTL. He's much more consistent than JYP/Puma/Zenio, and HerO just haven't had a good performance in team leagues. Taeja/Stephano/Revival is going to be EGTL core with Jaedong/JYP split to round it out the 4th player.. The other players will be used only for specifically prepared snipes if the situation comes up. Stork will see a lot of play but I honestly don't think he's going to do that well. I say he's gonna average 1 win per week in all kill format. '
Stephano can absolutely see play vs CJ. Map 4, 5, and 6 are Cloud Kingdom, Antiga, and Entombed. That's 3 consecutive maps that Stephano is very familiar with. He can easily be used to close out the series on those 3 maps.
On January 10 2013 18:17 Delphiki wrote: Is trading soulkey for baby worth it?
Close, but probably not. Woongjin star has got 2 tough opponenets in KT and SKT. It all depends if you think Soulkey is going to close it out vs either KT or SKT.
Baby actually has a good chance to get 2 wins vs SKT. He's probably favored on the opening game, and they keep sending him out on Arkanoid so despite a few recent losses on that map He's probably well prepared for the 2nd game. T8 also plays KT this week but I think Soulkey is more likely to score vs KT than Baby would. so that's kind of a wash. Baby can probably get you 4 points safely, but it cost 1 for tax. Soulkey is more likely to close it out for Woongjin stars for 6-7 points IMO. But that's just me man, I think Baby's play is a bit overrated so I might just be biased.
Such tough choices about trading this week. I love it! Usually there are some nobrainer choices, like trade someone who will likely lose for someone who will likely win... but not for me this time; they are all very mixed up in potential value.
EDIT: After a couple of days thinking... I seem to just love my team+anti as it is, and just can't make myself change it. Yeah, most likely to lose some points this week, but I just think it's worth it for other weeks, compared to the alternative after trading.
On January 10 2013 18:35 figq wrote: Such tough choices about trading this week. I love it! Usually there are some nobrainer choices, like trade someone who will likely lose for someone who will likely win... but not for me this time; they are all very mixed up in potential value.
yea same, im happy with my antiteam (going to lose a few points as STX and KHAN play each other and my antiteam is hyvaa/trap/stork) and i reckon they will not get me many more after this week. For my main i really want stephano now that he is starting but wooki is the only one i can trade to get him and im not gonna give him up, he seems very reliable for KT. Keeping faith in JYP and revival altho alot of people here seem to doubt one or even both of them is going to play. Hyuk and JyJ have no good trading options so will have to keep them, same for SKT... maybe stephano allkills but maybe he goes foreignermode and loses right off; im not expecting him in the first match for EGTL whereas wooki seems a solid 2nd/3rd or even possible closer for KT (im expecting T8 to win at least one match and stars is the single team that beat KT atm) so he prolly gets playtime and hopefully wins some more... If stephano is going to be played as opener more then im going to regret the decision to keep wooki (unless he also starts often) but i have a feeling i shouldnt trade...
I think i will trade WJS for EGTL. "Easy" week for EGTL, one of the hardest possible for WJS. Not sure about a second trade though :/
maybe trade hon_sin for Jaehoon or Stork, might be abit risky but Jaehoon seems to win alot for T8 and Stork is starting again and might get a win or 2... But u can also just keep hon_sin. and i would trade for EGTL, stephano might go bossmode and 2/3 kill (or allkill :D) and WJS has way thougher opponents, so see that trade paying of this week
On January 10 2013 17:53 mrbamboo wrote: I don't think Jaedong is going to play vs CJ. He just finished a tournament in Vegas. We don't even know when he's flying back to korea. He might be too jet lagged to play during the first set of games.
Yeah Revival vs Effort is a coin flip, but I'd say he's favored against everyone else on CJ, so I think he's worth keeping in case of a streak. Regardless I actually think Revival is going to be a stable on EGTL. He's much more consistent than JYP/Puma/Zenio, and HerO just haven't had a good performance in team leagues. Taeja/Stephano/Revival is going to be EGTL core with Jaedong/JYP split to round it out the 4th player.. The other players will be used only for specifically prepared snipes if the situation comes up. Stork will see a lot of play but I honestly don't think he's going to do that well. I say he's gonna average 1 win per week in all kill format. '
Stephano can absolutely see play vs CJ. Map 4, 5, and 6 are Cloud Kingdom, Antiga, and Entombed. That's 3 consecutive maps that Stephano is very familiar with. He can easily be used to close out the series on those 3 maps.
I think the Revival vs Stork argument goes into what risk you want to take, Revival is probably taking 2 points for EGTL wins and then whatever he can grab in the match against CJ (which might well be a all-kill if he wins against Effort). On the other hand Stork should be somewhat favored against Last and one more win is not unreasonable this week.
Where did you see that TaeJa has wrist problems? Is this still true? Credible source? I might trade him for Stephano if it's true and that Stephano is the starter.
On January 10 2013 17:53 mrbamboo wrote: I don't think Jaedong is going to play vs CJ. He just finished a tournament in Vegas. We don't even know when he's flying back to korea. He might be too jet lagged to play during the first set of games.
Yeah Revival vs Effort is a coin flip, but I'd say he's favored against everyone else on CJ, so I think he's worth keeping in case of a streak. Regardless I actually think Revival is going to be a stable on EGTL. He's much more consistent than JYP/Puma/Zenio, and HerO just haven't had a good performance in team leagues. Taeja/Stephano/Revival is going to be EGTL core with Jaedong/JYP split to round it out the 4th player.. The other players will be used only for specifically prepared snipes if the situation comes up. Stork will see a lot of play but I honestly don't think he's going to do that well. I say he's gonna average 1 win per week in all kill format. '
Stephano can absolutely see play vs CJ. Map 4, 5, and 6 are Cloud Kingdom, Antiga, and Entombed. That's 3 consecutive maps that Stephano is very familiar with. He can easily be used to close out the series on those 3 maps.
I think the Revival vs Stork argument goes into what risk you want to take, Revival is probably taking 2 points for EGTL wins and then whatever he can grab in the match against CJ (which might well be a all-kill if he wins against Effort). On the other hand Stork should be somewhat favored against Last and one more win is not unreasonable this week.
Dunno about stork being so favored against last, his vP hasn't looked too solid and last will do a strong mid game timing. Total coin flip really.
On January 10 2013 21:12 Poopi wrote: Where did you see that TaeJa has wrist problems? Is this still true? Credible source? I might trade him for Stephano if it's true and that Stephano is the starter.
On January 10 2013 21:12 Poopi wrote: Where did you see that TaeJa has wrist problems? Is this still true? Credible source? I might trade him for Stephano if it's true and that Stephano is the starter.
What the... Okay I'm glad I switched my captain from TaeJa to sHy to be able to trade him. Clutchest move. I hope he will recover and start crushing faces like in the summer. I miss the summer TaeJa!
Damn, after today's Fantasy games in U&D I have even more doubts about him as my captain, though he wasn't playing against kespa players, so there is still hope. Plus SKT1 is already done with the only none kespa team, so I hope things are gonna pick up.
Also, I'm considering trading Speed for Action for this week, though I'm not sure if it's a good idea. Action plays for better team, and both players have 1 start this week, so it's tough choice. Both have pretty good chance of defeating their starter opponents, so my guess is they are gonna be pretty close in points for those games, but as for their 2nd games, it's a big mystery. Another point in favor of the trade is that Team 8 is gonna be facing KT and SKT, while KT goes against Team 8 and WJS, so I think Action's team has higher chance of scoring 2 wins. Either way it's a tough call, any help?
No interesting starters really, zvz feast but Stephano as a starter? Didn't expect that.
Only trade I'll be doing this week is trading WJS for EG-TL. WJS don't have a nice week a head of them, EG-TL is looking solid.
Only way I could get a trade going is trading Best for a terran that opens it up so I can trade Speed(Cure). Seeing that he is my only terran and going up as a starter against KT... yeah.. But that would mean I wouldn't be able to trade my team so I think I'll just let my players me.
There a crazy move that I could do, trading Wooki for some one, that would be pure gambling!
This is proleague, Proleague is SC2, anything can happen, therefore Sola (BBatta) has a chance of beating Stephano. A long shot, but still a shot nonetheless.
I can trade Mini for BBata. I guess that would be pretty cool. I can only trade Soo or Revival for CH though, but I want to keep them both . Oh well, CH allkill even though you're not in my fpl gogogo.
On January 10 2013 17:11 hifriend wrote: Stephano starting vs khan... First foreign all kill?
Stephano is going to get sniped hard first game. This isn't just the Stephano anti fan in me claiming this. Stephano potentially could all kill Khan but not as starting player, this long of a time for a player to study his style and prep a counter build against him in his weakest match up, Stephano is going to have a rough welcoming to Pro league imo. If Stephano can get past the first match he can all kill because EGTL has too many threats for Khan to likely have trained more then 1 guy to snipe Stephano. That being said I don't think he is going to survive the first game.
Of course I'm biased against Stephano so I could be wrong... just my 2 cents.
On January 10 2013 17:11 hifriend wrote: Stephano starting vs khan... First foreign all kill?
Stephano is going to get sniped hard first game. This isn't just the Stephano anti fan in me claiming this. Stephano potentially could all kill Khan but not as starting player, this long of a time for a player to study his style and prep a counter build against him in his weakest match up, Stephano is going to have a rough welcoming to Pro league imo. If Stephano can get past the first match he can all kill because EGTL has too many threats for Khan to likely have trained more then 1 guy to snipe Stephano. That being said I don't think he is going to survive the first game.
Of course I'm biased against Stephano so I could be wrong... just my 2 cents.
I doubt khan anticipated stephano so for all we know bbatta is just some random b-teamer from a desperate team with no special ZvZ abilities.. Second match is scarier imo.
Any suggestion on if its wise to trade Light or Thorzain for anyone? I can't see either of them doing good this week, so I could trade one of them for maybe a KT B-teamer, but have no idea if it will do any good.
So far this week I've traded hon_sin for crazy-hydra, and Jaehoon for Stork on anti.
On January 11 2013 01:13 Amestir wrote: Are the line ups available yet?
On January 11 2013 01:04 Zeon0 wrote: I think he is still the favorite vs a random B teamer, even if its ZvZ and the other guy can study him. But its not impossible ofc.
He will always be considered a favourite against B-teamers. Like I said I'm biased against him but I also think I have some good logic behind my post. Pro league is all about snipers(Who would have thought it would be Dear that ended Flash's winning streak?) and I'm not convinced Stephano will hold up against it. He could be great in AK round if he's not sent out first. But being sent out first in AK and then just normal PL rounds I don't think he will do as well as everyone is expecting him too. We shall just wait and see I guess For EGTL's sake I do hope I'm wrong. For Stephano personally though I hope I'm right xD
I'm wondering if I should trade Hyuk or Myungsik for Batta, since he'll start against Stephano, so he might have a chance to grab a victory. However he is in a weak team so he won't bring home team points, and even if he wins one game his value probably won't be high enough to trade him again for the KT / SKT 1 pointers.
Plus if he loses it would be even worse. And since it's old school maps, Stephano will probably tear through this team so it might be a bad choice. I have traded TaeJa for Stephano because Stephano starts against Khan, on ladder maps, and TaeJa has wrist problems as said above, I think it's the best trade I could have done. But I don't know which other should I make, if I should make one.
Speed is gonna start this week so I let him in my team, Bbyong is kinda weak but his value has decreased so for who trade him? T;T
Any suggestions how to not suck at picking captains? Last round I got Sea, this round Crazy-Hydra. Would love to swap him for Revival. Rest of my team seems ok : / (27 points)
So i want to trade taeja away dont know for who though, was thinking stephano with his chance to all kill khan, but sOo is also a tempting choice among the other possibilities.
Also thinking of trading revival for sin or crazy-hydra for my anti team. didnt expect him to do so well
I originally traded speed from my anti team for stephano, but then i saw the lineups and i'm scared of stephano doing an all kill against samsung, and meanwhile speed is starting against KT, so here's to hoping cancelling that trade was a good deal
On January 11 2013 04:17 blagoonga123 wrote: I originally traded speed from my anti team for stephano, but then i saw the lineups and i'm scared of stephano doing an all kill against samsung, and meanwhile speed is starting against KT, so here's to hoping cancelling that trade was a good deal
Why did you have the best performing player (for his value) Speed in your anti-team in the first place?
On January 11 2013 04:17 blagoonga123 wrote: I originally traded speed from my anti team for stephano, but then i saw the lineups and i'm scared of stephano doing an all kill against samsung, and meanwhile speed is starting against KT, so here's to hoping cancelling that trade was a good deal
Why did you have the best performing player (for his value) Speed in your anti-team in the first place?
i thnk a lot of people didnt realize he was Cure, i almost made the same mistake
Huk's performance last night definitely surprised a lot of people. It's quite possible he will see play over HerO or JYP next week. He's value is also pretty low so if you've got a weak player to get rid of, I'd recommend picking up HuK. I'm contemplating Trap -> Huk trade myself, but feel like I'm losing too much trade value there.
On January 11 2013 04:17 blagoonga123 wrote: I originally traded speed from my anti team for stephano, but then i saw the lineups and i'm scared of stephano doing an all kill against samsung, and meanwhile speed is starting against KT, so here's to hoping cancelling that trade was a good deal
Why did you have the best performing player (for his value) Speed in your anti-team in the first place?
i thnk a lot of people didnt realize he was Cure, i almost made the same mistake
I didn't know who Cure was I just checked up his stats last season .
On January 11 2013 01:45 Chaosu wrote: Any suggestions how to not suck at picking captains? Last round I got Sea, this round Crazy-Hydra. Would love to swap him for Revival. Rest of my team seems ok : / (27 points)
You pick captains who are consistent and who play often in Proleague, and who you probably wouldn't trade regardless of anything. Sea was a bad pick, for example, since he was new to SC2, with little results, and it was questionable whether he would play many games this season.
On January 11 2013 04:17 blagoonga123 wrote: I originally traded speed from my anti team for stephano, but then i saw the lineups and i'm scared of stephano doing an all kill against samsung, and meanwhile speed is starting against KT, so here's to hoping cancelling that trade was a good deal
Why did you have the best performing player (for his value) Speed in your anti-team in the first place?
cuz i didn't know he was the best performing player for his value at the time obv
Bogus -> INnoVation sHy -> sOs hon_sin -> sin -> BrAvO Sang -> Terminator NaGi- > Aria yeongjae -> JyJ Speed -> Cure Jaehoon -> Agro Ryul2 -> Savage Dream.t)check -> ALBM Bong[S.G] -> Bong Wooki -> P7GAB Crazy-Hydra -> Crazy fOKINS -> Mekia BaBy -> TY Alone -> TRUE BBatta -> Sola
On January 11 2013 01:45 Chaosu wrote: Any suggestions how to not suck at picking captains? Last round I got Sea, this round Crazy-Hydra. Would love to swap him for Revival. Rest of my team seems ok : / (27 points)
Read my blog if you want to see how I did it last time. I think it's one of the safest way to pick.
On January 11 2013 04:55 Szgk wrote: I'm thinking of trading away Soulkey for Stephano or soO. Really tough call for me, any advice?
ZerO is probably more experienced than soO in ZvZ and will likely lose during the first match but I think he will get sent out during the second if s2 doesn't win. If s2 wins, then it will be a closer directly. Stephano has a big shot at a All-Kill but he has to compete against a lot of people on the squad afterward. It's up to you to decide.
Trades I am considering this week on my Main Team :
Wooki for Stephano - Very risky obviously but I believe that Stephano can all-kill Samsung Khan. unlikely
Revival for Crazy - Both of them are starting and I believe Cure to be less of a challenge to Crazy than EffOrt will be to Revival. so-so
BeSt for s2 - One of the best trade I could do since both have equal value and s2 is starting. very likely
Light for Last - Last is so-so but he can probably get rid of stork granting me a few points. His TvP stats look bad but it is due to the last OSL where he crumbled under the pressure. so-so
Trades I am considering this week on my Anti Team :
hyvaa for Hydra - hyvaa is less worse than Hydra in ZvZ, it's simple as that. But it might no be worth the fee. so-so
Should I trade away sHy for Rain? sHy looks great at the moment and Rain ... loosing one game probably doesn't mean slump incoming. Also Woongjin Stars will play against SKT and KT this week, but then again I already have Fantasy on my team... Any opinions?
On January 11 2013 04:55 Szgk wrote: I'm thinking of trading away Soulkey for Stephano or soO. Really tough call for me, any advice?
ZerO is probably more experienced than soO in ZvZ and will likely lose during the first match but I think he will get sent out during the second if s2 doesn't win. If s2 wins, then it will be a closer directly. Stephano has a big shot at a All-Kill but he has to compete against a lot of people on the squad afterward. It's up to you to decide.
Grabbed Stephano for Soulkey. I figured that he has a high chance to be picked in most of EG-TL matches. Last week was pretty 'meh.' for me, but this time 3 of my players are in the starting lineups and one in the anti-team
On January 12 2013 00:21 garista wrote: Should I trade away sHy for Rain? sHy looks great at the moment and Rain ... loosing one game probably doesn't mean slump incoming. Also Woongjin Stars will play against SKT and KT this week, but then again I already have Fantasy on my team... Any opinions?
Rain will likely play most games but so do sOs. It's a toss up at this point. SKT has a more clement time in the future aside from KT on the last week whereas it is expected that this week games will require sOs and Soulkey to play well fro WJS.
On January 12 2013 02:29 ViperPL wrote: Damn, still pondering trading Speed for Action, really tough call, and would really like to view your opinion on that matter.
That would be a bad idea as free is a sniper and Action is more also one. The odds of free betting Action are quite high. Don't forget that despite the appearance KT Rolster won't be able to continue their streak forever.
On January 12 2013 00:21 garista wrote: Should I trade away sHy for Rain? sHy looks great at the moment and Rain ... loosing one game probably doesn't mean slump incoming. Also Woongjin Stars will play against SKT and KT this week, but then again I already have Fantasy on my team... Any opinions?
Better to have two aces from different teams than two from one.
I'm also considering trading Light for Last, since WJS has the toughest week ahead of them right now and Light might not bring too many points, while Last is starter against KHAN and I think has a decent chance of beating Stork, plus STX might get some good performance from Bogus for additional points in CJ game, therefore giving even more points from Last.
Only traded Light for Last. Not because i think he is stronger, but because he is at least going to play once. I doubt Light is gonna play at all, WJS has too many good players and Light lost his last match.
It's more than intended, i first didn't want to trade at all this week, but whatever. Also it will kinda suck to cheer for Last because i'll be sad if Samsung loses another time.
S2 for Best is pretty solid but since I highly doubt s2 will be a match for Baby theres really no point doing that trade at all. But WJS for EG. Should be fine as long as WJS don't win against KT, I can see that happening but only very small. EG-TL could go full foreigner and loose against CJ and Khan but thats almost as small as WJS winning against KT so I should be fine.
edit: Actually Zenio for Best is actually a great trade. Been a while since he played so he should at least get to play one time this week and EGL should take home two wins!
I traded in Wooki for Stephano given: KT has no shortage of stars to play and Stephano has a high chance of potential all kill this week in comparison.
And EG-TL for Stars since stars have difficult opponents and EG-TL have potentially easier ones.
Don't forget though that Stephano will not be there to play next week as he'll be attending http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IEM_Season_VII_-_Katowice in Poland. Also, Wooki is worth a lot more in adjusted trade value at the moment (37.14 vs 30.00). This will make potential trades harder in the weeks to come if you downtrade.
I got Stats for soO and Last for Light. The other one was pretty normal, Last is not bad and is starting against Stork, he could win (he took 3 games against MC just few months ago afterall). I am risking with the first one though, I think soO will lose to Zero, so I wanted to take Zero... but I think Zero wont last too long, not against Rain and Fanta. While both starters for KT actually seem unfavourable in their matches, so Stats may get to play. Will see.
On January 12 2013 12:38 mrbamboo wrote: Now I feel bad for all those people that traded Light for Last.
It was a low-risk, low-reward trade. There is no reason to be disappointed in any way. Plus Last can still play against CJ and get a win to make the trade almost even.
On January 12 2013 12:38 mrbamboo wrote: Now I feel bad for all those people that traded Light for Last.
Yeah . Well, not as much if Light would also lose next time he gets sent out, if he does get sent out. Free getting played a lot means Light won't see as much play time as people expected him to have.
This STX vs. Khan broke a lot of FPL teams. I was supposed to be shielded from that but my sleep deprivation prevented me from trading hyvaa to Hydra like I intended too.
And that's what happens when you keep RorO in your anti for too long -.- Well I was trying to take a risk to drop his value some more to get a better trade, but should've just switched him for free.
Bye bye top 4, shouldn't have missed my anti going up against such a weak team/s. Then trading WJS for EGTL when theres to the least questionable picks who to send out.
Not doing hyvaa->Hydra on anti was kinda meh anyway, cause both were going to bring a big loss-loss anyway.
Not doing Dear->Hydra on main kinda hurts though... and I knew I should do it. Well, maybe it will turn out for the better if in the next weeks Hydra shows his bad side while Dear shows his good side.
Last week each day I got total +8 points on average. Today I score -7 points total. Sad panda. Tough week for me anyway, even if I was going to get lucky with trades.
Hydra neutralizing all my anti points from today by just winning two maps. His best matchup is ZvP, why would EG-TL send JYP over TaeJa in the ace game and then lose this still, sigh... Oh well. Apparently, EG-TL are trying hard to make it a rule to always lose their first match, then win their second.
On January 12 2013 18:40 ViperPL wrote: Hahaha, I have all Stork, hyvaa and Trap on anti, man it's gonna be tough on my points
yup, same here -11 already... but on the bright side, STX and khan wont play each other anymore this round so possibly we wont get such a big hit after today. Now if wooki and fanta can just get 5+ wins 2morrow it's all fine for my team, else i'll drop down far
On January 12 2013 15:38 Otolia wrote: This STX vs. Khan broke a lot of FPL teams. I was supposed to be shielded from that but my sleep deprivation prevented me from trading hyvaa to Hydra like I intended too.
Worst birthday EVER ! QQ
Well it appears both of them got hot today. Therefore hope, CJ & Hydra wins the next confrontation so that it gets me less points on Anti.
Today they all scored (anti) points. When one weak team plays another, this is bound to happen. It's not like you can exchange your entire anti team within a week when trades are open.
On January 12 2013 22:38 Toxi78 wrote: it should be allowed in emergency cases to trade captains, it's not fair to have to keep taeja despite his injury -_-
While I'm also lamenting this, Bumblebee said he'll be ready again next week. Not sure if this means Monday already.
On January 12 2013 23:38 Poopi wrote: That's why it's risky to put on anti teams players from weak teams bound to play a lot. They are gonna win, especially on sc2.
Bound to play yes bound to win nope. RorO only managed to go 6points and thats against one of the weakest teams. But thats the point really, your anti will score points you can only hope it wont be a lot.
Last round you could get away with a lot because players values were off by a huge amount. And you could get Stephano that wasn't even going to play. I'll be surprised if anyone can have a antiteam below 30points by the end of the round.
On January 12 2013 23:38 Poopi wrote: That's why it's risky to put on anti teams players from weak teams bound to play a lot. They are gonna win, especially on sc2.
On January 12 2013 23:38 Poopi wrote: That's why it's risky to put on anti teams players from weak teams bound to play a lot. They are gonna win, especially on sc2.
says the guy with a -52 antiteam last round :D
Yeah I picked Dodgin's antiteam + Zenio last time because he seemed to know the kespa players level and I forgot to trade in due times. Now that I picked my anti-team carefully I have -4, pretty decent atm even tho it's far from perfect, but thay's the point of anti teams :D.
I picked khan as a team, thinking that since they were underestimated, they would be a good pick to rebound. Little did I know that Stork would end up not doing well, RoRo has been decent, and JangBi is carrying my team. I picked shy for my anti, thinking he was overrated, never. doing. that. again.
On January 13 2013 03:15 LighT. wrote: It makes me one sad panda that all of my players are doing solid or decently well except my Captain: Taeja.. What the hell mate ><!
He has wrist problems atm so he won't play this week ^^', sorry. I had him also, kinda sad that I got no point from a 9$ player T;T but it's due to unfortunate conditions.
dropped from #90 to ~#760... well, entire antiteam has played and only JYP and Revival for my main... gogo wooki+fanta multikills! bring me back a bit higher
Stephano and Hydra really netted me some points this morning. However, I'm wondering if there's something wrong with Stephano's trade value? Yesterday his trade value was 30 when I traded Soulkey for him. Today, despite doing well in matches it's down to 25.14. Is this intentional?
On January 13 2013 07:22 atteo wrote: Stephano and Hydra really netted me some points this morning. However, I'm wondering if there's something wrong with Stephano's trade value? Yesterday his trade value was 30 when I traded Soulkey for him. Today, despite doing well in matches it's down to 25.14. Is this intentional?
Less matches to play, less points. Everybody loses value after each round
On January 13 2013 07:22 atteo wrote: Stephano and Hydra really netted me some points this morning. However, I'm wondering if there's something wrong with Stephano's trade value? Yesterday his trade value was 30 when I traded Soulkey for him. Today, despite doing well in matches it's down to 25.14. Is this intentional?
Less matches to play, less points. Everybody loses value after each round
Yes, and if you sort by trade value you'll see that all the players from teams that have yet to play within the next few hours have not been downgraded in trade value yet.
Now I can say I feel bad for all those people that traded Light for Last.
A really strong showing for my FPL so far this week. I got Trap Revival Stephano Speed Light and team8. And Hon_sin got a +1 too for stars winning. And I have Jaedong/Hitman/Bisu for anti team. -0 on anti team :O. Now I need these players to keep it up for 2 more days. Stephano all kill KHAN please!
Craziness waking up and checking Liquipedia to find out Speed a nice show. And Shy had an ok 2kills against SKT. Would have been nice to see Wooki instead of Stats but with Stats being their closer it's expected.
Trading WJS for EGTL sure took a big chunk of my ass T_T
Last week: 10+8+8+6. This week: -7 + 7 . Still, a not bad day for me, thanks to Cure(Speed). Although I wouldn't have minded if Action broke him and killed his team. What's the matter, Action, you were one of the cheapest (per FPL score) mid-top players after R1, but now you do nothing.
On January 13 2013 18:06 mrbamboo wrote: Now I can say I feel bad for all those people that traded Light for Last.
It sucks (cost me 4 points I believe), but I still think it was the right move. Last as a starter against a mediocre Stork, and Light with 3 games in total this season on a stacked team with sOs, ZerO, Soulkey. How could one foresee that he would be sent out on the last match.
On January 13 2013 20:20 Poopi wrote: sOs 6 : Streak break +1 2 games win +4 team win +1
-1 loss?
On January 13 2013 20:24 Scumi wrote: I should've traded Speed for Action.
no, you should have got Action in the first place. He is not a good player, you could see that today (banelings vs mech even when all the hellions were dead), he was only lucky in R1.
On January 13 2013 20:24 Scumi wrote: I should've traded Speed for Action.
no, you should have got Action in the first place. He is not a good player, you could see that today (banelings vs mech even when all the hellions were dead), he was only lucky in R1.
I think I really liked Action in R1, but yeah it was pretty clear he can't play against mech at all.
It's been a long time since I last saw a zerg player throw away 15 infestors for nothing like C-H.#fuckmyfanta
e. How is it possible to have Major, Huk and TaeJa in one anti-team? I feel like the EGTL team is way overpriced, which is also why I got none of them on my real team.
you have to consider who Action played against in R1: W1: won vs Thorzain: sry bro, I really like him, but he is just not that good. especially in TvZ W2: won vs check: unknown guy from T8(on TDA), lost vs Shy (only good player he played, lost) W3: won vs Hydra: that was the incredible 1base nydus game von Hydra on Arkanoid... (and he got seeded vs JangBi, but KT didnt need to play the last match) W4: won vs sacsri: unknown guy from SKT1(on TDA), won vs Comet (that guy doesnt even have a Liquipedia page...)
yeah, 5-1 is nice, 7 appearances is also nice, but he only played vs one decent opponent, who he lost to. No way he is worth the 6Points he cost.
edit: i think Taeja was 9P, HuK and Major 2 each. Taeja is crazy good (look at his up&down group) but he cant perform because of his wrists. Lucky pick for the Anti team owners
On January 13 2013 20:24 Scumi wrote: I should've traded Speed for Action.
no, you should have got Action in the first place. He is not a good player, you could see that today (banelings vs mech even when all the hellions were dead), he was only lucky in R1.
The -1 loss never counts since it's countered by lineum appareance.
I traded LighT for Last, then Last loses vs Stork and later Light comes out and wins vs Fantasy in the final deciding game (my picked team SKT also losing). I traded Revival for Crazy-Hydra, then Revival wins his map against EffOrt and Crazy-Hydra is a complete disappointment. And of course I have Stork and hyvaa on my anti team and they both decide to win at least one map.
If it weren't for Hydra, the only player on my team scoring points at all (Cpt. TaeJa having wrist problems, Wooki not fielded), I would have taken a much greater hit than staying about even (only down by the trade tax of -2). Here's hoping that Last and Crazy-Hydra will redeem themselves in the second half of the week.
Streak Break Watch
Stats got the first 3-game streak break this round vs Speed for a bonus of +2.
Starts pretty terrible with my whole anti-team getting points (Stork,Hyvaa & Trap) and Revival winning only vs Effort. Luckily yesterday Speed/Cure and Alone managed to score big for me, and Fantasy broke a 2-kill streak. The only true dissapointment in my team is Dear and the amount of playing time for KT.Hitman. While Dear did great in round 1 , he didn't score points in round 2 yet. I might have to switch him out...
Lol yeah I did not know who Hydra was and did not pick up Revival, picking Bbyong instead. this plus taking SKT and TaeJa who underperformed. Still progressing though, from 900 to 500 to 120 :D.
On January 14 2013 11:03 dinosrwar wrote: Ah so far this week has been nice. 8th place! If only I had taken Hydra instead of Last like I originally planned. Oh well, maybe Last will shape up.
After seeing the starting match-ups, I am a bit worried about this week. soO versus ZerO isn't terribly bad but ZvZ isn't soO strong point. After that it's likely that we will see both FanTaSy and Rain but I am wondering about the 4th man. sSak was played once already, s2 is starting next match, sacsri and JyJ have losing records, BeSt played (and lost) last week so I'm not sure he will be put out this week. Bisu is left but ... I don't know, I am cheering for Woongjin Stars and I now officially regret not picking them; it was a mistake.
The 2nd match is easier. TY is starting against s2 and the rest of the line-up is almost written. Team 8 won't win this game despite being better than people thought.
Captain : sOs - Despite a terrible result during the Up and Down, sOs didn't play bad. He almost won against Bomber but the latter decided to dissapoint in Code S instead of in the Up and Down. sOs will certainly play against SKT as they will need their ace to face FanTaSy and Rain but I'm not sure he will get out against KT as I think Soulkey is a better choice given KT line-ups (Action being the only sniper and he will lose against free)
Players :
Wooki - Even though it might seem foolish, I am considering a trade this week for Stephano.
Revival He is opening once again against a weak team. EffOrt is actually really good so I don't want to call it too early but I trust Revival on this one.
BeSt for s2 - This is one of the best trade I could have hoped for. BeSt is exactly the same price as s2, isn't more likely to come out and s2 has in virtual value ramped up because he starts a match. Granted it's against T8 but you never know. Accidents happens in PL and I'm betting on one with this trade.
Light for Last - Another low risk, low reward trade, Light has a lot of competition inside of his team and Last has way less. I rank Light above the latter but this week could be good for STX.
Anti - team :
Jaedong - Had anyone but Revival and Stephano started this week, I would have traded Jaedong for HerO on the firm belief that HerO has fallen once again. But with both zergs starting, there is a lot of chance that they win enough so that a lesser player might close it before it is necessary to send an ace. TaeJa also has priority over JD in that department. It's likely that I won't trade this week despite the likeliness of EG-TL winning twice.
hyvaa - hyvaa is bad, he is terrible in everything but ZvZ and he faces someone who is also terrible but even more so in ZvZ. I orignally wanted to trade him to Hydra but failed.
Major - Tough week for T8. MajOr isn't ready yet but T8 is better than expected, a good middle of the pack team.
Trades I was considering this week on my Main Team :
Wooki for Stephano - Very risky obviously but I believe that Stephano can all-kill Samsung Khan. unlikely
Revival for Crazy - Both of them are starting and I believe Cure to be less of a challenge to Crazy than EffOrt will be to Revival. so-so
BeSt for s2 - One of the best trade I could do since both have equal value and s2 is starting. very likely
Light for Last - Last is so-so but he can probably get rid of stork granting me a few points. His TvP stats look bad but it is due to the last OSL where he crumbled under the pressure. so-so
On my Anti Team :
hyvaa for Hydra - hyvaa is less worse than Hydra in ZvZ, it's simple as that. But it might no be worth the fee. so-so
Mannnnnn I really wish I had picked wooki instead of action Please action score me some kills against Woongjin so I can dump you for someone before your value drops to nothing
On January 13 2013 18:06 mrbamboo wrote: Now I can say I feel bad for all those people that traded Light for Last.
A really strong showing for my FPL so far this week. I got Trap Revival Stephano Speed Light and team8. And Hon_sin got a +1 too for stars winning. And I have Jaedong/Hitman/Bisu for anti team. -0 on anti team :O. Now I need these players to keep it up for 2 more days. Stephano all kill KHAN please!
yeah im glad i took your advice and stayed on the light train, also traded taeja for stephano and am running up the board this week so far!
I hope Stephano gets atleast 2 kills today, obviously all kill would be better. I need his trade value to be up to trade him for a high value player next week as he's confirmed for IEM and won't be playing proleague. Something like Stephano -> Stats or herO would be good. Could also trade him back for Taeja I guess.
On January 14 2013 16:56 Poopi wrote: Why would you buy a foreign protoss who didn't do anything the past year except lucking out an allin to make it to code S with a seed?
some of HuKs results lately: 2-1 Ryung, 2-0 Yoda (both @ IPL, where he lost to Sniper and Life, no shame), almost qualified for Code A (beat KT Action 2-0 there), decent NASL record (decent, not good), making it into Code S, maybe lucky but he did
i thought he will have a decent chance of getting a chance (which I was right with) and Alone aka TRUE on the other hand never played in R1, never showed results and I never thought he will have to play. And i thought EGTL will win both days quite easily.
but yeah, in retrospect it was obviously a bad decision, but imo not a too bad thought in the first place
Wow. Brutal loss for Stephano. O well Taeja is still injured and not playing so it was still the positive net trade. But not as good as it could've been .
On January 14 2013 21:08 Quateras wrote: Is there an actual Ranking for someone to have the worst possible anti team? I think I'm getting close to #1 then.
Have Jangbi AND Hydra on my anti, amazing last 2 weeks :D
On January 14 2013 21:08 Quateras wrote: Is there an actual Ranking for someone to have the worst possible anti team? I think I'm getting close to #1 then.
Have Jangbi AND Hydra on my anti, amazing last 2 weeks :D
On January 14 2013 21:08 Quateras wrote: Is there an actual Ranking for someone to have the worst possible anti team? I think I'm getting close to #1 then.
Have Jangbi AND Hydra on my anti, amazing last 2 weeks :D
shy/speed/hydra would be worse
Wait for them to update todays games :D Jangbi will be -19 i think and hydra -22? vs Shy with -16 and speed -14?
Very interesting results so far. I may have been mistaken as to which tactics to employ as getting players who will be fielded a lot seems to be the most successful solution so far.
On January 14 2013 21:16 Silentenigma wrote: Goddamn speed in my anti team giving me headaches.
Indeed.
For some reason i thought it would be a good idea to put Speed, Revival and Stats in my anti-team, now i'm rank 5364 out of 5372. TaeJa as team captain might have something to do with it, too.
On January 14 2013 22:49 darksub wrote: hydra may bring me back to top 10 (huk and jaedong on anti dont hurt)
Most of the Top 20 has hydra on their team already so that alone wont help you, even if some of them got hit by HerO or JangBi in their antiteam. Congratz to Blisse for good picks, will definitely be in the lead before tomorrows matches.
JangBi is now among the top scorers this round, along with Hydra, Speed, and sHy. He also gets the second 3-game streak break (vs HerO) of the round for a bonus of +2.
On January 14 2013 21:16 Silentenigma wrote: Goddamn speed in my anti team giving me headaches.
... TaeJa as team captain might have something to do with it, too.
I feel your pain mate. I'm nominating, drafting Taeja and making him captain, as worst draft of century :/ Hope he recovers and starts to kick some serious ass.
damn next round is gonna be extremely hard as BW champs like Jangbang & Hydra and (hopefully) some others return to ace form. They will be all 9 or 10-pointer at this rate
Hydra and Light are the only 2 players on my team actually scoring good amounts of points for me. First Round was going so well was very highly ranked but this one .....
Taeja ( as Captain ... )and Dear majorly dissapointed so far or in Taejas case are injured . Soo also isn't doing as well as i hoped he would do
Damn Jangbi. I was really hoping revival would close that last game out to make up for Stephano losing. Hydra's insane run is gonna put me even further behind the top FPL teams. Grrrr. Netted 0 points last night.
Yea, I almost don't think Blisse is beatable. But then again, an all-kill round with bo7 is quite volatile. From these few playdays though, I can see that one viable strategy is to just trade for whoever starts versus STX. xD
On January 15 2013 05:05 monk wrote: Yea, I almost don't think Blisse is beatable. But then again, an all-kill round with bo7 is quite volatile. From these few playdays though, I can see that one viable strategy is to just trade for whoever starts versus STX. xD
I've considered that sort of strategy for the next round. You'd really have to know the players, their conditions, the maps, and have tons of time to make all the trades worth it though. :/ Edit: I mean, trade for everyone in the lineup against STX. XD
Hydra have just been on a really nice roll and quite unexpected I would say. He did do ok in Round 1 IIRC but that he would be this impressive I don't think even the biggest fanboy would call.
Blisse can still get owned by his antiteam, we are not even done in week 2
On January 15 2013 05:20 mtvacuum wrote: for people who have Jaedong on anti-team, was there inside information that I missed? Did you guys know he wasn't going to play at all this round?
He was 100% sure to miss out the first match this week because of another tournament but that he wouldn't play at all I don't think anyone would have bet on. Theres no info on that at least.
On January 15 2013 05:20 mtvacuum wrote: for people who have Jaedong on anti-team, was there inside information that I missed? Did you guys know he wasn't going to play at all this round?
Just logic. He had up/downs playday 1, so he probably wasn't going to play. He had his oversees tournament playday 2, so he definitely wasn't going to play. He was coming back from the US playday 3, so he probably wasn't going to play. No idea what happened playday 4, probably similar to playday 3.
On January 15 2013 05:20 mtvacuum wrote: for people who have Jaedong on anti-team, was there inside information that I missed? Did you guys know he wasn't going to play at all this round?
Just logic. He had up/downs playday 1, so he probably wasn't going to play. He had his oversees tournament playday 2, so he definitely wasn't going to play. He was coming back from the US playday 3, so he probably wasn't going to play. No idea what happened playday 4, probably similar to playday 3.
Wonder why he wasn't there today.. Was expecting anti rape from him.
I'm not sure if this is the right place for this to ask, but I'm a newbie to all this fantasy stuff. Can anyone explain to me the point system for these 2 players today? CJ.Hydra got -10 (anti) - did an all kill 4 wins so 8 points + 2 for winningstreak = 10 and another -1 for teamwin, no? 11? and Jangbi -10 (anti ftw :D) - did 3 kills, so only 6 points + 2 for winningstreak = 8 ? and another for -1 teamwin, no?9?
On January 15 2013 06:17 Quateras wrote: I'm not sure if this is the right place for this to ask, but I'm a newbie to all this fantasy stuff. Can anyone explain to me the point system for these 2 players today? CJ.Hydra got -10 (anti) - did an all kill 4 wins so 8 points + 2 for winningstreak = 10 and another -1 for teamwin, no? 11? and Jangbi -10 (anti ftw :D) - did 3 kills, so only 6 points + 2 for winningstreak = 8 ? and another for -1 teamwin, no?9?
How come both gained another +- 10?
There are no point rewards for streaks this round, only for streak breaks (+1 for 2-game, +2 for 3-game).
Hydra: +1 for lineup appearance +8 for 4 games won +1 for team win
Jangbi: +1 for lineup appearance +6 for 3 games won +2 for 3-game streak break +1 for team win
You probably want to get rid of these two on your anti team as soon as possible.
There is still the matches tomorrow and alot of people capable of streaks are playing that he doesn't have. A strong showing from free, wooki or fantasy (among others, those named are common picks in the top atm) can do large swings.
There is still the matches tomorrow and alot of people capable of streaks are playing that he doesn't have. A strong showing from free, wooki or fantasy (among others, those named are common picks in the top atm) can do large swings.
Will be hard though!
Blisse I think you pretty much have THE ideal mainteam today.
On January 15 2013 06:17 Quateras wrote: I'm not sure if this is the right place for this to ask, but I'm a newbie to all this fantasy stuff. Can anyone explain to me the point system for these 2 players today? CJ.Hydra got -10 (anti) - did an all kill 4 wins so 8 points + 2 for winningstreak = 10 and another -1 for teamwin, no? 11? and Jangbi -10 (anti ftw :D) - did 3 kills, so only 6 points + 2 for winningstreak = 8 ? and another for -1 teamwin, no?9?
How come both gained another +- 10?
There are no point rewards for streaks this round, only for streak breaks (+1 for 2-game, +2 for 3-game).
Hydra: +1 for lineup appearance +8 for 4 games won +1 for team win
Jangbi: +1 for lineup appearance +6 for 3 games won +2 for 3-game streak break +1 for team win
You probably want to get rid of these two on your anti team as soon as possible.
Hey thanks a bunch for your explanation And I'll never get rid of them, i was thinking about it last week when it was -9 and -5 points, but decided to be all manly and not allow myself trades :D So i'll stick with my horrible decision!
Damnit, damnit, damnit... I had two major considerations before this week: 1. On anti: HerO -> Stephano 2. On main: Dear -> Hydra
God why, god why did I decide in the end to just sit on the same team that worked well last week and do nothing. So many points missed from Hydra, and so many points lost from HerO (who, mind you, I only put on anti cuz Stephano initially wasn't allowed, with sole intention to immediately trade for Stephano... and then all the confident trash talk by the Frenchman made me reconsider). So sad now...
Moreover, missing the moment to remove HerO from my anti might very well be the end for me this round. He's just going to destroy me and I won't be able to trade him for anyone except monsters like Rain or Flash, which is kind of suicidal anyway.
By my calculations, you will still be able to trade HerO for Stephano on your anti team, as HerO's relevant trade value will be 15.00 and Stephano's will be 15.43 (which satisfies the up-trade rule for anti).
Well my FPL team has officially tanked. Flash, Revival, and soO are only ones on my main and have played more then 1 game. And I didn't know Roro was such a curse to antiteams -_- ...at least there's Bisu.
There is still the matches tomorrow and alot of people capable of streaks are playing that he doesn't have. A strong showing from free, wooki or fantasy (among others, those named are common picks in the top atm) can do large swings.
Will be hard though!
Blisse I think you pretty much have THE ideal mainteam today.
Thanks, haha! :>
I was happy with 7th and then I found out that JangBi and Hydra wiped the floor. XD
Personally if I can make top 1000 I'll be happy. I got +10 points from Hydra and -10 from JangBi, yay. Currently sitting at #1295, 55-26=29 points.
Blisse, do you feel any pressure to trade high for any of your main team? I was 3rd last season when CJ started 2-0, then fell because I refused to trade any of them. Perhaps you could make a trade and wrap this FPL up, or maybe it might backfire... who knows? :p
On January 15 2013 12:17 andrea20 wrote: Personally if I can make top 1000 I'll be happy. I got +10 points from Hydra and -10 from JangBi, yay. Currently sitting at #1295, 55-26=29 points.
Blisse, do you feel any pressure to trade high for any of your main team? I was 3rd last season when CJ started 2-0, then fell because I refused to trade any of them. Perhaps you could make a trade and wrap this FPL up, or maybe it might backfire... who knows? :p
Man, it feels like all the teams conspired against my FPL team this week and Hydra just didn't get the memo.
My anti team of Stork, hyvaa, and suddenly Jaehoon scores a whoppin' total of 18 anti points.
Meanwhile on my main team TaeJa again scored no points, neither did Wooki and yeOngJae, and of course both players, CH and Last, whom I traded for this week, lose all their games. Naturally, also my picked team SKT decided not to win a single match.
On January 15 2013 20:44 Inviteme wrote: what to do when youre at top 17 to get higher?? trade hardcore and risk all in or keep the same players? Im newbie
I need some EPIC advice
Neither nor.
Invest some time to study next weeks matchups (esp. starting players). And think of carefully if you should trade some of your players.
Usually the Trade Value of good perfoming players gets pretty inflated (remember its just a bunch of Bo1). So I would rather trade away good perfoming players like Hydra and Jangbi (in your case) and acquire players who have played well before and are cheaper now (like Soulkey, Baby).
Also Bogus value is very low, but he is still a good player. I would trade him in your anti (for Crazy_Hydra or hon_sin).
On January 15 2013 20:44 Inviteme wrote: what to do when youre at top 17 to get higher?? trade hardcore and risk all in or keep the same players? Im newbie
I need some EPIC advice
Don't be a fool and just trade players. You want some hints or stats to help you make the trades. Trading away Hydra for example is a great move if you are going with some risk for another player that might have a breakout this coming week, Hydra might for example not even play at all. Players that have performed really well this week will be boosted in trade value so you want to see what your options are.
My main team has Wooki, Action, Crazy-Hydra, Mini, Last and Soo. My team is KT. 5 out of 6 players were sent out at least once this week. Everyone, including KT, netted me a total of 0 wins. Woo \o/.
On January 15 2013 22:28 NicksonReyes wrote: My main team has Wooki, Action, Crazy-Hydra, Mini, Last and Soo. My team is KT. 5 out of 6 players were sent out at least once this week. Everyone, including KT, netted me a total of 0 wins. Woo \o/.
On January 15 2013 22:28 NicksonReyes wrote: My main team has Wooki, Action, Crazy-Hydra, Mini, Last and Soo. My team is KT. 5 out of 6 players were sent out at least once this week. Everyone, including KT, netted me a total of 0 wins. Woo \o/.
Dear Proleague, PLEASE stop CUTTING OFF THE VODs, cut them off AFTER the next player is chosen. They cut off the VODs RIGHT after the game ends. Half the fun of the All-kill format is seeing who teams send next. It's not the same when you read a VOD name and see who was chosen.
On January 16 2013 05:50 ShowTheLights wrote: Dear Proleague, PLEASE stop CUTTING OFF THE VODs, cut them off AFTER the next player is chosen. They cut off the VODs RIGHT after the game ends. Half the fun of the All-kill format is seeing who teams send next. It's not the same when you read a VOD name and see who was chosen.
Trying to get this noticed :\
imo ideally they should just put the VODs in one long continous chunk, because even knowing how long a game is is a pretty big spoiler as to how it goes (Like you see a game's 6 minutes long, then you know whoever decides to cheese is going to win, because if he didn't win the game would go way longer)
This round is fucked, it's even more unpredictable than last round, I have Speed but didn't get lucky enough to randomly pick free and Hydra or Jangbi/Jaehoon and my captain, Soulkey, decided to be awful, so I'm not near the top.
What a round. At least KT fanboys got screwed over for once.
On January 16 2013 05:50 ShowTheLights wrote: Dear Proleague, PLEASE stop CUTTING OFF THE VODs, cut them off AFTER the next player is chosen. They cut off the VODs RIGHT after the game ends. Half the fun of the All-kill format is seeing who teams send next. It's not the same when you read a VOD name and see who was chosen.
Trying to get this noticed :\
imo ideally they should just put the VODs in one long continous chunk, because even knowing how long a game is is a pretty big spoiler as to how it goes (Like you see a game's 6 minutes long, then you know whoever decides to cheese is going to win, because if he didn't win the game would go way longer)
On January 16 2013 08:30 DifuntO wrote: Having Taeja as a captain was a mistake.Only 1 point,i cannot trade him and i don't even know if he can actually play.
With the exception of Mini, Taeja of all players has gotten me the least points lol. He's my captain too x.x
There's still time though, if his wrists get better he can still string some wins together.
Cursed Jaehoon last season for ruining my anti, now blessing that wonderful man for single-handedly saving my team from being a complete disaster
I long for an FPL round where every available player is actually able to play and does not either retire shortly after or decide to get wrist treatment without the team making it known in advance.
Other than that I am convinced now that the FPL system in its current form only really works well with the standard Proleague format. When only three games won in a row on a single night (because of All-Kill format) can propel an otherwise mediocre player up so much in trade value that you barely have any good options left to replace him with on anti, you realize this could not have been the original intention when the formulas were designed.
Now I can't wait for this round to be over. But GL HF to those who did not get screwed.
On January 16 2013 08:35 Proseat wrote: I long for an FPL round where every available player is actually able to play and does not either retire shortly after or decide to get wrist treatment without the team making it known in advance.
Other than that I am convinced now that the FPL system in its current form only really works well with the standard Proleague format. When only three games won in a row on a single night (because of All-Kill format) can propel an otherwise mediocre player up so much in trade value that you barely have any good options left to replace him with on anti, you realize this could not have been the original intention when the formulas were designed.
Now I can't wait for this round to be over. But GL HF to those who did not get screwed.
By the same token, somehow I have acquired Flash for Hydra
On January 16 2013 08:30 DifuntO wrote: Having Taeja as a captain was a mistake.Only 1 point,i cannot trade him and i don't even know if he can actually play.
With the exception of Mini, Taeja of all players has gotten me the least points lol. He's my captain too x.x
There's still time though, if his wrists get better he can still string some wins together.
Cursed Jaehoon last season for ruining my anti, now blessing that wonderful man for single-handedly saving my team from being a complete disaster
Yeah I also have Mini and Jaehoon on my team.I was going to trade him but fortunately i didn't. Revival and soO are doing ok so we'll see.My goal is top 1000.
LOLOL you can trade Hydra for Flash or Rain. A 3pt guy for a 10 or 11pt guy. Wow, Hydra can be traded for anyone except Fantasy, Shy, and JangBi. I am seriously considering this, ramping my team up so that it's worth more than its 30 initial points. Everyone who picked Flash or Rain early got burned. I do not think Hydra will hold his value next week (the only way he does is if he gets another 3+ kills), so trade him while you can!
Right now my rank is #519. Not bad when I have JangBi on my anti-team and can only trade him for Fantasy or Shy
On January 16 2013 08:35 Proseat wrote: I long for an FPL round where every available player is actually able to play and does not either retire shortly after or decide to get wrist treatment without the team making it known in advance.
Other than that I am convinced now that the FPL system in its current form only really works well with the standard Proleague format. When only three games won in a row on a single night (because of All-Kill format) can propel an otherwise mediocre player up so much in trade value that you barely have any good options left to replace him with on anti, you realize this could not have been the original intention when the formulas were designed.
Now I can't wait for this round to be over. But GL HF to those who did not get screwed.
We've had similar problems before with Flash and DRG dominating previous seasons. But at least those players were supposed to dominate and their initial values assigned to them reflected this. I think a big problem is that most of the Kespa players have extremely variable skill levels that it's really hard to assess true skill. After all, who could have expected 3 pointers like Hydra and free to all kill this round? This is of course in addition to the problem of volatility in an all-kill format.
On January 15 2013 20:44 Inviteme wrote: what to do when youre at top 17 to get higher?? trade hardcore and risk all in or keep the same players? Im newbie
I need some EPIC advice
Play to win. Your team has Hydra, JangBi, and Speed. So does almost everyone above you. If those three keep doing well for you, you won't be able to move up the standings. The only way to move up is to hope your low-valued players make an incredible run, or if you trade your high-valued players and diversify, hoping that you win in trade value over people who stand pat. Far more people stand pat than make bold trades -- only 27 people traded for Hydra this week, and those who did got up to a whopping +16 in trade value.
So yeah, I suggest you trade. Standing pat is almost certain to not work in your case.
Apparently, because I didn't manage my team one week, I had MajOr on my main team...traded him this week for Bisu and also traded HuK for Thorzain, oh, and really wish I could have gotten Crazy Hydra off my anti team this week, got burned sooooooo bad by him...
sitting comfortably at 43 right now but my downfall might be not picking a different 1 point player. Chose Mini because I thought he would get a few snipes for STX but I guess not... also had the same rationale for Puma but EG-TL has so many other better players that it doesn't look like he'll get any playtime
This is the highest I have gotten, and it happened today. Heck yes. FINALLY Jaehoon does something this round. Edit: just realized that if I hadn't boarded the HuK hype train and traded thorzain for him I would be 100 places higher. Dang it!
Hovering around rank 300 this week. Kind of unfortunate netting very few points in the last 2 days due to the all kills.
I'm not too worried about the large trade value jumps so much as the low trading frequency. If we got to trade twice as often this would be manageable. We have what, 3 trade windows for 28 series of BO7. The last time we did fantasy GSTL, we had 30series of BO7 spanning 10 weeks. thats 9 trade windows. That's triple the trade opportunities for essentially the same number of games.
Look at my trades in GSTL (http://www.teamliquid.net/fantasy/gstl/Team.php?team=mrbamboo&r=1) I made 17 trades netting a gain of 41 points after trade tax. That's less than 3 points gain per trade. But making consistently good decision over a long period of time helps mitigate short term risks/variance. For proleague I doubt I'd make more than 4 trades total, nearly all of which is dictated by which EGTL player will be out of town or sick. For one there is 1/3 the trade windows, for two, having a lot more matches between trade period meaning you are not angling for a specific scenario, and that risk is diluted by the other 10 matches going on this week that could make just as many FPL points and negate your gain for the trade. More frequent trades also mean that the value of each player only change a little bit each time, and you get to use that new information to make more decisions and you are not punished as severely for any single decision.
I mean there's not much TL can do about it, the matches are back to back, and not consistently updated on time on the fantasy system. People will complain if there is only a 4 hour window to trade between between the 1st and 2nd set of matches in the week. GSTL with FXO + grubby and Axiom Acer is starting soon. I hope the format lends itself well to fantasy and we can get both FPL and FGSTL going at the time .
I wished I traded out anti-Jangbi for Effort last time :/. I remember seeing him pick up a couple of points but was still like, "meh, can't possibly go wrong with this!" Ya. Turns out since Stork isn't doing too well Jangbi had to pick up slack. Blehhh. Maybe Shy won't get as much play time with free getting good now? *cross fingers*
Also Team "TaeJa Take the Wheel" has been betrayed by the captain . At least my other picks were decent enough to float to a not-bad rank.
Going to trade Jaedong off my anti for Taeja seeing he's most likely still having wrist problem next week, and probably won't be in his top form even if he does play.
Might trade hon_sin for jaedong on main team. With Taeja injured Jaedong is likely to see more play. Although with Stephano and Revival doing well I'm not sure who'd see more play. I expect Revival Hero Stephano core with JYP/Jaedong rounding it out. No good terrans to play on EGTL as both Puma and Thorzain are relatively weak at the moment. I guess it depends on the starting line up next week.
I'm glad to see both Team 8 and Woongjin kicking ass. Woongjin was definitely by far the favorate in all kill format, I see them going 7-0 this round. Team 8 is less reliant on Cure than I expected and Baby is certainly failing pretty hard. Very surprising to see Terminator and Jaehoon doing so well.
I think i'm going to trade Speed for CJ.herO on my anti. He's one of only 5 I can trade Speed for at this point, and I don't think he's going to get as many points as Speed is my only criteria.
On January 16 2013 11:14 mrbamboo wrote: I'm not too worried about the large trade value jumps so much as the low trading frequency. If we got to trade twice as often this would be manageable. We have what, 3 trade windows for 28 series of BO7. The last time we did fantasy GSTL, we had 30series of BO7 spanning 10 weeks. thats 9 trade windows. That's triple the trade opportunities for essentially the same number of games.
Look at my trades in GSTL (http://www.teamliquid.net/fantasy/gstl/Team.php?team=mrbamboo&r=1) I made 17 trades netting a gain of 41 points after trade tax. That's less than 3 points gain per trade. But making consistently good decision over a long period of time helps mitigate short term risks/variance. For proleague I doubt I'd make more than 4 trades total, nearly all of which is dictated by which EGTL player will be out of town or sick. For one there is 1/3 the trade windows, for two, having a lot more matches between trade period meaning you are not angling for a specific scenario, and that risk is diluted by the other 10 matches going on this week that could make just as many FPL points and negate your gain for the trade. More frequent trades also mean that the value of each player only change a little bit each time, and you get to use that new information to make more decisions and you are not punished as severely for any single decision.
FPL always requires a bit of massive amounts of luck, so the number of trading windows is not of much concern. What's concerning is that most people who are in a position to win play it too safe; the number of no-trade teams in the top 100 last round was a head-scratcher. Anyone has the opportunity to control their destiny and create an upset. That team that won last round basically lucked out by KT Rolster winning by such incredible margins. Scarecrow (4th place) got +37 on 8 out of a possible 9 trades and had a very diversified team. It's always been about which $3 or $4 picks are total bargains: the theoretical best possible team without trades last round included Hon_Sin or Dear, both $3, and there are no $8+ picks even though some of them have more points. $8+ picks have historically never been good value (unless your name is Bisu, who went on a record-breaking 63-15 as a $12 pick in the last BW proleague)
The thing about trading is that people won't trade low-value picks unless they're absolutely not playing. So there wasn't really much of a reason to trade out Hydra this week. However, there was plenty of reasoning to trade into Hydra, but only 27 people took the opportunity. What's true is that the best possible team with trades nets far more points than the best possible team with no trades, even with the -9 trade tax. The people who traded for Hydra this week will hit the jackpot if they trade him for another player who will also break out, thus getting more points than a single static player ever could.
Things look grim for SKT, they understandably lost against the better Stars team but also failed against Samsung Khan. Their only win comes from beating STX, arguably the worse team this round. The trading possibility are gone and I'm stuck with this mediocre team for the rest of round. I have made some small mistakes in my choice before but choosing SKT over WJS was a bigger one. Next week they face CJ and Khan, it's up to them to step up. Their failure is entirely Rain's responsibility and he better step up before people view him as another 1 hit wonder like jjakji and Seed before him.
Captain : sOs (7p) - sOs didn't get that much play time this week with the all-kill of free but he is assuming the ace position right now until Soulkey gets his shit together. I expect the latter to start next week probably on Arkanoid against STX. Nonetheless sOs got me 7p which is the most of all my players, he is definitely my ace.
Players :
P7GAB (0p) - P7GAB didn't get any points this week as KT got all-kill by WJS and bitch-slapped by Team 8. The more surprising fact was that he lost a PvP against free, considering it's his best matchup by far - he is 6-1 now - it's worrisome. I normally wouldn't want to trade a player like him but he is worth a lot and I need points. Possible Trade
Bbyong (2p) - Oh Bbyong ! I thought he was the best 3pointer on CJ but Hydra has claim his spot and I doubt Bbyong will ever regain it. It's unlikely I can trade him for anyone worth mentioning in the same sentence as "competent player" so ... Whatever
Revival (2p) - Revival played and lost. He is a streaky competent player but not an ace and with I don't know how the next weeks will pan out for him. Still among the players that aren't valued that much he can hold his own. Likely Kept
s2 (2p) - He did what I expected from him : he won a game. It's a worthwhile trade though a very minor one. Opportunity Trade
Last (0p) - This was a bad trade. Light won the ace match against FanTaSy breaking his streak in the mean time. Last however lost, again, and STX is now 0-4. See now how it was a terrible trade ? I believe he could have beaten Stork but Khan Protosses resurgence got me by surprise. Like Bbyong, I don't know how I will get rid of him. He will still play from time to time... Whatever
Anti - team :
Jaedong (0p) - As predicted, Jaedong didn't play. and EG-TL lost (correlation ?) I thought about a trade to HerO but the latter got 3 Wins and might not be dead yet, however TaeJa seems to be preserved right now and with EG-TL atrocious results so far, that would be a perfect opportunity. Likely Trade
hyvaa (4p) - hyvaa is still a terrible player despite winning 2 ZvP, I thought of trading him to Hydra but thank god I didn't or I would be in the depths of hell right now. Kept
MajOr (2p) - Team 8 won twice this week carried by Argo and Cure, MajOr won't play and there is little to no reason not to accept the fact that 8th Team is better than foreseen. Kept
On January 16 2013 11:14 mrbamboo wrote: I'm not too worried about the large trade value jumps so much as the low trading frequency. If we got to trade twice as often this would be manageable. We have what, 3 trade windows for 28 series of BO7. The last time we did fantasy GSTL, we had 30series of BO7 spanning 10 weeks. thats 9 trade windows. That's triple the trade opportunities for essentially the same number of games.
Look at my trades in GSTL (http://www.teamliquid.net/fantasy/gstl/Team.php?team=mrbamboo&r=1) I made 17 trades netting a gain of 41 points after trade tax. That's less than 3 points gain per trade. But making consistently good decision over a long period of time helps mitigate short term risks/variance. For proleague I doubt I'd make more than 4 trades total, nearly all of which is dictated by which EGTL player will be out of town or sick. For one there is 1/3 the trade windows, for two, having a lot more matches between trade period meaning you are not angling for a specific scenario, and that risk is diluted by the other 10 matches going on this week that could make just as many FPL points and negate your gain for the trade. More frequent trades also mean that the value of each player only change a little bit each time, and you get to use that new information to make more decisions and you are not punished as severely for any single decision.
FPL always requires a bit of massive amounts of luck, so the number of trading windows is not of much concern. What's concerning is that most people who are in a position to win play it too safe; the number of no-trade teams in the top 100 last round was a head-scratcher. Anyone has the opportunity to control their destiny and create an upset. That team that won last round basically lucked out by KT Rolster winning by such incredible margins. Scarecrow (4th place) got +37 on 8 out of a possible 9 trades and had a very diversified team. It's always been about which $3 or $4 picks are total bargains: the theoretical best possible team without trades last round included Hon_Sin or Dear, both $3, and there are no $8+ picks even though some of them have more points. $8+ picks have historically never been good value (unless your name is Bisu, who went on a record-breaking 63-15 as a $12 pick in the last BW proleague)
The thing about trading is that people won't trade low-value picks unless they're absolutely not playing. So there wasn't really much of a reason to trade out Hydra this week. However, there was plenty of reasoning to trade into Hydra, but only 27 people took the opportunity. What's true is that the best possible team with trades nets far more points than the best possible team with no trades, even with the -9 trade tax. The people who traded for Hydra this week will hit the jackpot if they trade him for another player who will also break out, thus getting more points than a single static player ever could.
The thing about trading is that you have to trade a player that will most likely get at least several points per week, versus an unknown that may or may not do better in the long run. I dare you to tell me that I should have traded any of my picks at that time. How do you predict free gets an all-kill? You can't, so you can't be in a position to tell people to trade then for the absolute best gain because the volatility of trading is way too high when you have a significantly strong team already.
The only time trading works well (in terms of high probability of profit) is if I see a team like STX facing KT and SKT in the first round, and go, gee, STX is going to get rolled, and then stack my anti-team with STX players, or something like, Hydra doing massively well for a low point value when I have other players like Taeja who's been underperforming due to his wrist injury.
Of course you can theoretically say, trading is a good option, but how do you expect me to justify trading away Revival for free in the middle of nowhere? I'm suppose to go, free seems like he'll all-kill KT, let's do it! The only thing I regret is not taking Jaehoon in place of Revival, because Jaehoon, Baby and Speed are the centerpieces of Team 8, which is my main team, and when sold at 2 points at the beginning of the season was hugely more profitable than any others, and tying for WJS.
First week was great for me, and the second could have been if I made the trades I planned and not pulled out in the last moment; instead I made the second week become a really mediocre one at best. Thus, I'll go full trade mode this week with: Speed -> Jaehoon / both are fantastic picks, but usually Hoon costs more and is an ace, so he should be used a bit more / Free -> Rain / Free did amazazazing job for me up to now, can't believe I'm in the position to trade him for the best player / anti: HerO -> Stephano / phew, indeed, by a scratch, I'm still able to make this trade; though Stephano can destroy me too /
Last weeks anti trades SoO for Stephano: SoO scored me -8 points last week so I had to get rid of him in case he kept the form. "Only" -5 points from Stephano this week.
This weeks main trades Bong[S.G] for Huk: Huk did well in Up- and Down matches, so maybe he'll get playtime in ProLeague. Don't see Bong playing anytime soon. Major for BBatta: BBatta beat Stephano this time and will most likely earn me more points than Major.
Eh, just checked, there is no one I can trade. I'd like to trade Action, my captain, but there is no point, at least he gets to play unlike anyone I could trade him for( who can actually even win). Anti-team I'm stuck with RorO, I was trying to risk this week to get his price lower so I could make a good trade but at this point, like week before, there is no one who'd win less.
On January 17 2013 04:06 HwangjaeTerran wrote: I'd like to trade Action, my captain
Captains can never be traded, they stay with your team till the end. Action is my captain too, come join the group "Captain Action" if you like. Me, I'd trade him, if the system was allowing it (but it's not). Him and Dear let me down big time. Last round they did much better.
Thinking of trading Jaedong for TaeJa in my anti-team : is he still resting his wrists? Even if he's not, I'd say he needs some time to get back in form, so it's probably the best trade I can do for anti.
About Stephano, since he doesn't go to IEM anymore, he'll be able to play in proleague I guess, so it might be a good choice not to trade him. Since he lost to a rookie he'll be hungry for kills, improving his ZvZ for real again, so as long as he plays he should do well!
Trading Jaedong -> Taeja on anti - Jaedong is starting zvz, and Taeja likely still injured
hon_sin -> Jaedong on main - Hon_sin doesn't seem to be seeing play with Soulkey/Zero/Shy/Free/Light core. Jaedong was best choice for trade as he's likely to win his opening match.
Stephano -> Soulkey - bit of a gamble. Woongjin is doing amazing, and it's about time for their ace Soulkey to shine. Also Stephano might be sniped in ZvZ if he comes out so not likely to be too streaky until he improved his ZvZ.
Nice to see Light starting again, clearly Woongjin think he's a really strong player despite Soulkey/Zero/Shy/Free doing so well already to keep sending Light out. It's too bad Woongjin is going to be worth like 8 points as a team next round. They are so strong right now.
Trades I am considering this week on my Main Team :
Wooki for Soulkey - Wooki didn't bring me enough points last week to consider letting him stay on my lineup. Soulkey had a bad start this round but I doubt anyone consider that a problem especially since his teammates (and sOs) have been doing so well. As I predicted in my last post, he is starting on Arkanoid. I don't think Classic will be able to beat him there but (probably Dear and Trap) will be sent on both Entombed Valley and Cloud Kingdom, let's hope Soulkey fixed his ZvP already. Likely
Revival for Jaedong - The Tyrant is finally back from his other mandatory activities. He is starting against Team 8 in a ZvZ versus Savage. This should prove fairly easy for him but the Cure / Argo combo is way better than people expected so JD series might not last long, still Revival and Stephano got their chances so we should see more of JD this week. so-so
Revival for Light - I am ashamed of writing this but this could be a good trade. WJS is over the big names and they have a 5-mean team that seems to perform well enough to even win all games while their primary ace is losing. This might be an opportunity to correct my mistake. so-so
Last and/or s2 for ? - Many possibilities here : {Reality, Sacsri, HoeJJa} I am more likely to trade s2 because he isn't likely to play this week than Last who could win this week (if God listen to me). The possibilities aren't that great but these players are at the bottom of the pile and I can't expect miracles. meh
On my Anti Team :
Jaedong for TaeJa - I was initially looking to trade JD for HerO, but with TaeJa not playing anymore because of his treatment, this is a better and safer choice. I am confident that neither Nazgul nor Bumblebee are foolish enough to allow TaeJa to be fielded while he is under treatment. ProLeague might be important but it's a 16 years old we are talking about. So the only doubt remains, his TaeJa's treatment finished yet ?Done
I'd like to be able to trade Taeja whom I have as captain and cannot trade him, since hes not playing becuase of injury and wont be playing for a while...
On January 17 2013 22:30 MisterTea wrote: I'd like to be able to trade Taeja whom I have as captain and cannot trade him, since hes not playing becuase of injury and wont be playing for a while...
+1, it's very unfair right now. an injury is pretty much comparable to a retirement (like Sea) for a season, you can't plan that ahead -_- he should be tradable!
Gah, I'm not happy with my trade options right now.
First and foremost I need to get speed off my anti, but the option are rain, herO, free, shy, and flash. None of which are good. The thing is T8 is throwing out speed and jaehoon at the drop of a hat so they are most likely going to play. I think my best bet is rain. Even though he is starting, it is a pvp vs herO, and SKT haven't been showing him all that much.
For my main I traded revival for Jaedong, as he should win his first match zvz. As for the rest of the games, I don't think he will fair the best. Mostly because T8 will probably throw out speed/jaehoon.
I'm torn between picking up soulkey for wookie. I want wookie to redeem himself, and but I don't know likely it is for him to play. The problem is that the trade difference is so large between the two of them that it might just screw me over for next week.
I'll probably just end up trading s2 for reality. I don't know how well reality will do but I don't think s2 will play that much this week.
So I can trade Jaehoon Revival Light or Speed for JD. I know I want him this week but I have to pick which of those players is going to play the worst.
hyvva -> Taeja: i think hyvva is better than Action and cause i'm sure i dont wanna trade him away i dont care about the values hon_sin -> JD: if WJS seeds a Terran its always Light, so i want to get rid of hon_sin. JD starts in a ZvZ and i think he is quite good HuK -> sacsri: sacsri starts vs Khan, I hope this trade isnt as big of a fail as my Alone -> HuK trade last week :D
Got soo->Bogus, i still feel he can rape and end his slump this week, also potential points no one will have if im right(yes its a big gamble) Speed-> Soulkey. I thought about stats or hero(CJ), but i just feel like soulkey just couldnt play due to the deep WJN lineup. im confident he's gonna all-kill. keeping roro, im sure he will wake up plus that gives me 3 Aces + revival who aced for EGTL and my captain dear(yes im sad he hasnt shown anything in this round) who also aces for stx.
with light on my team i have a 4 starter Again this week
On January 18 2013 12:45 Delphiki wrote: Is trading CJ to EG-Liquid a good move? CJ will be facing KT+SKT while EG-L will face Woongjin and team8. what do you guys think?
Stay with CJ. WJS is the best team in PL, imo KT, SKT and T8 are about equal in winners league. CJ was doing great last week, EGTL is choking since the start of PL.
On January 17 2013 14:31 Waxangel wrote: Considering Hydra for Flash or Rain... ;/
I tossed Hydra for Flash. Seems like a great deal to me. I don't think Rain is as good of a deal based on the lineup SKT has. More likely to see Flash come out every series IMO.
On January 17 2013 14:31 Waxangel wrote: Considering Hydra for Flash or Rain... ;/
I tossed Hydra for Flash. Seems like a great deal to me. I don't think Rain is as good of a deal based on the lineup SKT has. More likely to see Flash come out every series IMO.
Also considering CJ has probably one of the hardest rounds this week, playing SK and KT, what? That being said Hydra can still score solid amount of points. Yea I traded him too, now lets see whats going to happen.
The point is that Flash should (in theory) be bringing more FPL points than Rain, even if he's not a better SC2 player than Rain (yet). Buuuuut... keep in mind KT actually has a very strong lineup too, it's not just SKT and KTFlash right now. Oh not at all. KT can easily win matches and not use Flash at all.
That's a major problem with strong players in FPL in general - they may be the best players, but they may not be used enough to be worth that many points. It's kind of weird and complicated to make the optimal picks. But there's one rule that always persists: expensive players are totally not worth their price. They are all very overpriced usually, compared to the amounts of FPL points all players are bringing. I usually avoid getting too expensive players now, except when it's a trade, like free for Rain. Otherwise, getting two mid players can normally bring you more points than one expensive + one weak.
On January 19 2013 00:17 Zeon0 wrote: KT can as easily lose as they can win without using Flash. Imo KT is nothing better than SKT1 or CJ and WJS is quite a bit better.
All teams have strength and weaknesses . WJS on paper have the deepest team with Zero - SoulKey , Free - Shy and Light - hon_sin , but they do lack a defined ACE player . I don't know if this good or bad , but Zero mentioned in his interview that having someone like Flash makes KT players more relaxed when they play . Having that one player that you could always relay on - the leader , boosts the other player's moral when they play . Naturally KT does well when Flash does well and vice versa. Rarely you will see KT doing well without Flash .
While in WJS is like "I better win this myself , because SoulKey might fuck up thoughts" . I still don't know if this is a good or bad thing .
Would you trade soO for Baby or Bogus? I'd maybe go for Baby, as he starts against STX, but he's playing against Bogus (possibly ending 4L streak). If not, what about Last for Reality? Two remaining trades are Hydra for Flash (main) and Jaedong for TaeJa(anti).
why am i unable to trade flying for half the available players? all my other team members i can trade with anyone of a lower value but when i click on flyings trade icon half the names are greyed out
On January 19 2013 08:07 izmatic wrote: why am i unable to trade flying for half the available players? all my other team members i can trade with anyone of a lower value but when i click on flyings trade icon half the names are greyed out
also what are thoughts on stephano for soulkey? i know phano is not leaving now but soulkey gets the start against stx and may finally have his break out performance... also i guess i will go with the crowd on taeja for jaedong on my anti but that scares me, Im kinda expecting a wild taeja to appear sometime this week, i thought about JYP cause i think he might be finished for this round but ??
On January 19 2013 08:07 izmatic wrote: why am i unable to trade flying for half the available players? all my other team members i can trade with anyone of a lower value but when i click on flyings trade icon half the names are greyed out
On January 19 2013 08:13 izmatic wrote: also what are thoughts on stephano for soulkey? i know phano is not leaving now but soulkey gets the start against stx and may finally have his break out performance... also i guess i will go with the crowd on taeja for jaedong on my anti but that scares me, Im kinda expecting a wild taeja to appear sometime this week, i thought about JYP cause i think he might be finished for this round but ??
TaeJa won't play this week. JYP could play as the ace in WJS vs. EG-TL
Trading for Soulkey is a good idea, he has less competition than Stephano (who has JD and Revival)
On January 19 2013 08:13 izmatic wrote: also what are thoughts on stephano for soulkey? i know phano is not leaving now but soulkey gets the start against stx and may finally have his break out performance... also i guess i will go with the crowd on taeja for jaedong on my anti but that scares me, Im kinda expecting a wild taeja to appear sometime this week, i thought about JYP cause i think he might be finished for this round but ??
TaeJa won't play this week. JYP could play as the ace in WJS vs. EG-TL
Trading for Soulkey is a good idea, he has less competition than Stephano (who has JD and Revival)
Traded Flash off my anti-team and traded HerO for RorO on my main team.
I have Light on my team so I had to make the call to trade either him or HerO. A lot of starters this week were available for me to pick up but I ended with RorO since I like his maps for when he starts more than some of the others and there aren't as many conflicts of interest there. Didn't want to go with Baby or Bogus since they play each other and either of them could win there.
Still unsure on the move but its better to do something rather than nothing.
On January 19 2013 08:13 izmatic wrote: also what are thoughts on stephano for soulkey? i know phano is not leaving now but soulkey gets the start against stx and may finally have his break out performance... also i guess i will go with the crowd on taeja for jaedong on my anti but that scares me, Im kinda expecting a wild taeja to appear sometime this week, i thought about JYP cause i think he might be finished for this round but ??
TaeJa won't play this week. JYP could play as the ace in WJS vs. EG-TL
Trading for Soulkey is a good idea, he has less competition than Stephano (who has JD and Revival)
How do you know? =P
On January 17 2013 00:39 Bumblebee wrote: It looks like TaeJa won't be playing this week either, unfortunately
Unfortunately it is confirmed Taeja won't be playing so he can recover from his wrist injury this week. Despite HerO's 3 kill last week I don't think he'll do significant damage this week. I think it's gonna be up to Revival to try save EGTL this week, he is by far the most consistent player currently.
SK Telecom T1 This week is a bit quieter but seeing how CJ actually regained momentum and how Khan Protosses are rolling over everyone, it could be more difficult than expected :
For the first game, Rain has to step up and start crushing faces. herO is good at PvP but so is Rain and the latter has to stand his ground. Hydra made a big splash last week with a closing performance and an all-kill but I'm not really convinced by his performance. In any case, FanTaSy should be able to close things up. If a 4th man is needed, I think it's going to be either BeSt against a EffOrt or Hydra or s2 against Bbyong.
The unknown starting line-up of the week ! Last week was full of it so let's appreciate that teams decided to put back strong players as starters. I can't favor anyone in the starting matchup but Samsung Khan is riding a good momentum and it could prove difficult for SKT.
Captain : sOs - He think he will be the ace against EG-TL but won't play against STX Soul.
Players :
Wooki for Soulkey - I'm not doing so good so I have to make risky bets. P7GAB will probably play against Khan seeing he is the dedicated Protoss sniper but I believe Soulkey will bring more points this week.
Bbyong - He actually opens a match, one can pray he can beat Stats but I wouldn't bet on it.
Revival for Jaedong - Another ballsy trade but I need points to climb up the rankings and you don't get points from trading Last to Reality. Jaedong is back, and I hope he will bring his fighting spirit too.
s2 - I'm keeping him with the hope he will play against CJ.
Last - Like Bbyong, I'm not hoping a lot from him but I need points so he will fill the roster.
Anti - team :
Jaedong for TaeJa - Wrist Issues confirmed by Bumblebee. I'd rather take the -2p than risk anything on anyone else. I could have chosen BrAvO too but WJS is on its way to a 7-0 in this WJS on its way to a 7-0 in this WL. BrAvO could have been a good choice too (and he has the same value as JD) but I don't really feel the vibe with Sin so I went with TaeJa.
hyvaa - hyvaa did managed to win 2 games last week which is blessing from the gods for the terrible STX Soul team. Still there is no reason to believe he can do it again.
Wooki for Jaehoon: Jaehoon will diffidently see play this week as T8 will take 2 wins! Wooki I don't really know how much he will be played, against Khan anyone could go on a killing spree. Bisu for Major Anti Team: Quite obvious, won't see play until Round 3. EG.TL for Team 8: Sorry EGTL you totally blew last week and I think T8 will win over yall.
Would have liked to trade Revival away, seeing how much the patch changed things in the Z late game. But with JYP, Stork, Light and Sin I value the other trades over this one.
On January 19 2013 10:03 Tobblish wrote: Wooki for Jaehoon: Jaehoon will diffidently see play this week as T8 will take 2 wins! Wooki I don't really know how much he will be played, against Khan anyone could go on a killing spree. Bisu for Major Anti Team: Quite obvious, won't see play until Round 3. EG.TL for Team 8: Sorry EGTL you totally blew last week and I think T8 will win over yall.
Would have liked to trade Revival away, seeing how much the patch changed things in the Z late game. But with JYP, Stork, Light and Sin I value the other trades over this one.
I'm not sure the Bisu -> Major trade is worth it. I highly doubt Bisu will see play anyway, and I expect T8 to do better than SKT by at least 1 win the rest of the round. I think avoiding the chance of Bisu seeing play is not worth the -2 you'd get for trading to Major.
On January 19 2013 10:03 Tobblish wrote: Wooki for Jaehoon: Jaehoon will diffidently see play this week as T8 will take 2 wins! Wooki I don't really know how much he will be played, against Khan anyone could go on a killing spree. Bisu for Major Anti Team: Quite obvious, won't see play until Round 3. EG.TL for Team 8: Sorry EGTL you totally blew last week and I think T8 will win over yall.
Would have liked to trade Revival away, seeing how much the patch changed things in the Z late game. But with JYP, Stork, Light and Sin I value the other trades over this one.
I'm not sure the Bisu -> Major trade is worth it. I highly doubt Bisu will see play anyway, and I expect T8 to do better than SKT by at least 1 win the rest of the round. I think avoiding the chance of Bisu seeing play is not worth the -2 you'd get for trading to Major.
Yeah It's true but I'll stick with this for the rest of the round probably. All it takes is one win by Bisu to go even pretty much. =/
not sure about him. He never plays in R2, so i guess he is only the 6th best in WJS in house practice/placement matches, after ZerO, Soulkey, Shy, free and Light (no order). And the 6th man could be replaced by Flying or the more unknown guys quite often.
something is off here.. all three participants have a captain of 15 points, so they are tied at 7th, even though one player has more points? Idk, I'm tired and going to bed. Goodnight!
On January 20 2013 13:48 The_Templar wrote: something is off here.. + Show Spoiler +
all three participants have a captain of 15 points, so they are tied at 7th, even though one player has more points? Idk, I'm tired and going to bed. Goodnight!
On January 20 2013 13:48 The_Templar wrote: something is off here.. + Show Spoiler +
all three participants have a captain of 15 points, so they are tied at 7th, even though one player has more points? Idk, I'm tired and going to bed. Goodnight!
something to do with trades afaik
Right. Trade Tax applies instantly whereas the trade will only show after the first update in order to hide the trades a player made. Rank won't change either until then. When you take a look at their profiles you will see one of them has -3 trade tax while only 1 trade is shown.
On January 21 2013 19:19 Koerage wrote: damn i didnt realise i could've traded JyJ for Dear... im so sad about that now would've given my team a nice boosts
Are you sure you didn't misread the stats? JyJ = yeOngJae
On January 21 2013 19:19 Koerage wrote: damn i didnt realise i could've traded JyJ for Dear... im so sad about that now would've given my team a nice boosts
Are you sure you didn't misread the stats? JyJ = yeOngJae
Well, not just JyJ, but everyone else that has a trade value greater than or equal to 3.43 I as well didn't realize how much Dear's trade value plummeted over time lol.
initially i wanted him on the team but thought him too expensive for the 5 (??) he was at the time so went with others. Him going 0-3 or something defo helped getting his value down but no idea it was that low lost me a bunch of points... gotta pay more attention next time
Yaya, finally a good day again. 4 points from Jaehoon who I got in exchange for Speed, then 6 points from Dear (finally!), and also avoided -8 points from Hero on anti who I exchanged for Stephano.
Both of these guys' teams lost, but in the end I win more than if I had just a non-played or losing member of the winning teams. Makes me appreciate more having individually winning players even if on weaker teams as a general strat. Usually I look too much into the strength of the teams when I pick players on main and anti, being too scared of the +1 point for team victory that accumulates over time.
On January 21 2013 19:19 Koerage wrote: damn i didnt realise i could've traded JyJ for Dear... im so sad about that now would've given my team a nice boosts
Are you sure you didn't misread the stats? JyJ = yeOngJae
Well, not just JyJ, but everyone else that has a trade value greater than or equal to 3.43 I as well didn't realize how much Dear's trade value plummeted over time lol.
I am fairly certain this was not the trade value situation when you were last able to trade. As you can see, there is already a delta displayed. So you're looking at a partial update here and previously Dear's trade value was significantly higher than yeOngJae's. And it will be again after today's performance.
And by the way, trading for someone who "has a trade value greater than or equal" is for anti team.
When trading was last possible, Dear had 0 points, yeOngJae had 1 point, and there were 3 team matches left to play. Thus, they had the following trade values:
trade value = cost * matches left / matches total + points / magic number adjusted trade value = trade value * matches left (you trade by the displayed adjusted trade value)
Dear: trade value = cost * 3 / 7 + points / 3.5 trade value = 5 * 3 / 7 + 0 / 3.5 trade value = 15 / 7 + 0 trade value = 15 / 7 trade value = 2.14 adjusted trade value = trade value * 3 adjusted trade value = 6.42
yeOngJae: trade value = cost * 3 / 7 + points / 3.5 trade value = 2 * 3 / 7 + 1 / 3.5 trade value = 6 / 7 + 1 / 3.5 trade value = 1.14 adjusted trade value = trade value * 3 adjusted trade value = 3.42
On January 22 2013 00:01 AKRW wrote: proleague format is so much better allkill is so random
Don't be bitter like that ! It's so much better to act like a stuck-up snob and despise all those lucky ignorant who crawled up the rankings by being lucky :D
On the bright side, if you pay attention now there will be a lot of opportunity for low cost performing players in Round 3.
On January 22 2013 00:01 AKRW wrote: proleague format is so much better allkill is so random
Don't be bitter like that ! It's so much better to act like a stuck-up snob and despise all those lucky ignorant who crawled up the rankings by being lucky :D
I played my anti-team pretty smartly but am losing to people with jangbi on their antiteam :p
On January 22 2013 01:51 Otolia wrote: On the bright side, if you pay attention now there will be a lot of opportunity for low cost performing players in Round 3.
On January 22 2013 02:58 ramon wrote: meh, used the one trade on my anti to trade speed and was about to trade 3 point guy dear for someone terrible and then he 3 kills
On January 22 2013 01:51 Otolia wrote: On the bright side, if you pay attention now there will be a lot of opportunity for low cost performing players in Round 3.
How do you mean?
well if dear hadnt made a tripple 2day his value next round would be alot lower (had this been the last week which it ofc is not!!) and if dear's like 2 points he will prolly get picked up alot more than with his 5 now also last round i had one of the best antiteams (with trading stephano, but still) and think i didnt even get top 1000, mainteam is still way more important
On January 23 2013 01:21 hasubock wrote: Can someone tell me how long after the matches the FPL standings are updated? I was wether able to find anything nor to recognize a pattern.
When R1CH updates it. There is no particular pattern but it should be up before wednesday.
On January 23 2013 01:21 hasubock wrote: Can someone tell me how long after the matches the FPL standings are updated? I was wether able to find anything nor to recognize a pattern.
Whenever staff members who run FPL feel like their own team has done particularly well that day.
On January 22 2013 00:01 AKRW wrote: proleague format is so much better allkill is so random
Don't be bitter like that ! It's so much better to act like a stuck-up snob and despise all those lucky ignorant who crawled up the rankings by being lucky :D
On the bright side, if you pay attention now there will be a lot of opportunity for low cost performing players in Round 3.
i'm guilty of being ignorant and lucky and also of being much higher ranked than youu
On January 23 2013 01:21 hasubock wrote: Can someone tell me how long after the matches the FPL standings are updated? I was wether able to find anything nor to recognize a pattern.
Whenever staff members who run FPL feel like their own team has done particularly well that day.
It would be nice if there was some way to automate the update using the results from liquipedia. I don't know how feasible that is, but if the equation for determining adj. trade value is fixed, and liquipedia has the win/loss information (which is updated promptly), it seems possible. Just a thought.
well stork had to do that now my team's lower than after week one... the single one that got me regular points was revival and he didnt do much this week. maybe i was lucky last time but i think PL format suits me better for picking teams
On January 23 2013 01:21 hasubock wrote: Can someone tell me how long after the matches the FPL standings are updated? I was wether able to find anything nor to recognize a pattern.
Whenever staff members who run FPL feel like their own team has done particularly well that day.
It would be nice if there was some way to automate the update using the results from liquipedia. I don't know how feasible that is, but if the equation for determining adj. trade value is fixed, and liquipedia has the win/loss information (which is updated promptly), it seems possible. Just a thought.
The FPL system for TL.net wasn't coded by R1CH, he is just the only one keeping it running still. So I'm not sure how feasible an automated parsing of Liquipedia would be for him to add (or if he even has the time to do it). Also, since everyone can edit Liquipedia, there may be errors which, when parsed, would invalidate the data and cause various problems and the update would then have to be manually rolled back and fixed. So for the moment, weekly results have to be entered manually whenever R1CH or I guess monk have time to do it.
The formulas for the trade values for this round are fixed: player trade value = player cost * team matches left / 7 + points earned by player / 3.5 player adjusted trade value = player trade value * team matches left
If you don't want to wait for an update, just make a spreadsheet (for instance in Excel) and use these formulas. As of today all teams have one team match left in this round (hence: trade value = adjusted trade value).
In other news, I think up to this point the following team would have been one of the best (if not the best?) team this round without doing any trades whatsoever:
To get this, for main team I simply went with the players that had the best overall positive trade value deltas maximizing the point score and satisfying the race conditional and max cost of 30 while trying to go with the team that currently has the best score. Anti team was simply taking out-of-action 9-pointer TaeJa and filling up to the minimally necessary cost of 13 while keeping the point score down. I wish I had known in advance that TaeJa (whom I picked as my captain) would be down for wrist treatment and that all those 3- and 4-cost players would score so many points. Oh well.
On January 23 2013 01:21 hasubock wrote: Can someone tell me how long after the matches the FPL standings are updated? I was wether able to find anything nor to recognize a pattern.
Whenever staff members who run FPL feel like their own team has done particularly well that day.
It would be nice if there was some way to automate the update using the results from liquipedia. I don't know how feasible that is, but if the equation for determining adj. trade value is fixed, and liquipedia has the win/loss information (which is updated promptly), it seems possible. Just a thought.
The FPL system for TL.net wasn't coded by R1CH, he is just the only one keeping it running still. So I'm not sure how feasible an automated parsing of Liquipedia would be for him to add (or if he even has the time to do it). Also, since everyone can edit Liquipedia, there may be errors which, when parsed, would invalidate the data and cause various problems and the update would then have to be manually rolled back and fixed. So for the moment, weekly results have to be entered manually whenever R1CH or I guess monk have time to do it.
The formulas for the trade values for this round are fixed: player trade value = player cost * team matches left / 7 + points earned by player / 3.5 player adjusted trade value = player trade value * team matches left
If you don't want to wait for an update, just make a spreadsheet (for instance in Excel) and use these formulas. As of today all teams have one team match left in this round (hence: trade value = adjusted trade value).
In other news, I think up to this point the following team would have been one of the best (if not the best?) team this round without doing any trades whatsoever:
To get this, for main team I simply went with the players that had the best overall positive trade value deltas maximizing the point score and satisfying the race conditional and max cost of 30 while trying to go with the team that currently has the best score. Anti team was simply taking out-of-action 9-pointer TaeJa and filling up to the minimally necessary cost of 13 while keeping the point score down. I wish I had known in advance that TaeJa (whom I picked as my captain) would be down for wrist treatment and that all those 3- and 4-cost players would score so many points. Oh well.
Yea, I agree that no one is likely to have time to implement this, but if you think about it, the one-time investment in coding such an automated parser may save time in the long run (assuming the FPL continues). It probably gets tedious entering the scores in manually. As for liquipedia, I know anyone can submit edits, but I think they still must be reviewed/approved before being published to the wiki, so I think the quality control is already in place.
The best anti team is Jaedong + two 3 pointers that don't score (Bisu + Best). And then trading Jaedong for Taeja after round 1.
The Jaedong + Taeja anti thing isn't even lucky or tricky. Jaedong's round 1 tournament schedule was published days in advance. Taeja's wrist problem was also known (his acupuncture tweet was front page on starcraft sub reddit, and the coach confirmed on Taeja's fan club thread).
edit: oops forgot Taeja didn't actually win any games Week 1 I think. So actually the trade isn't necessary to save you -1 tax. However since Taeja could've scored, the most informed decision would've guaranteed the 0 win points.
Dat best main team though. So hard to call, all 3-6 pointers. JangBi is probably the most predictable out of that, as rest of KHAN hasn't been performing and Jangbi is gonna see play every match. free and Hydra's results are both very surprising. Zero I can kinda see it. I knew speed was going to do well as he showed solid games in R1 and Team 8 is week, but Jaehoon winning so much is kind o_O.
Picking WJS was an obvious call, I knew they were going to be the strongest team in R2. However I personally didn't pick them as the $5 cost was a bit too high and I wanted to use that on players instead. Despite speed and jaehoon scoring well Team 8's overall result has been fairly average, although okay for costing only 2 points.
The best blind pick a SC2er could make is probably Hydra (I recalled him winning MSL around the time SC2 began), he's literally the only point earner on my fail team, aside from team EG-TL and a couple fillers like HuK, and Speed and Jaehoon on anti was pretty terrible, but even then, I'm in the positive at least -_- That's how sweet Hydra has been.
What's even more dumb was that Speed was on my team last round, and I just forgot who's who, and he did about as well last round, too.
Edit: Lol that post above me showing a theoretical best team shows how I shot my FPL in both feet.
On January 23 2013 13:51 mrbamboo wrote: The best anti team is Jaedong + two 3 pointers that don't score (Bisu + Best). And then trading Jaedong for Taeja after round 1.
The Jaedong + Taeja anti thing isn't even lucky or tricky. Jaedong's round 1 tournament schedule was published days in advance. Taeja's wrist problem was also known (his acupuncture tweet was front page on starcraft sub reddit, and the coach confirmed on Taeja's fan club thread).
edit: oops forgot Taeja didn't actually win any games Week 1 I think. So actually the trade isn't necessary to save you -1 tax. However since Taeja could've scored, the most informed decision would've guaranteed the 0 win points.
Dat best main team though. So hard to call, all 3-6 pointers. JangBi is probably the most predictable out of that, as rest of KHAN hasn't been performing and Jangbi is gonna see play every match. free and Hydra's results are both very surprising. Zero I can kinda see it. I knew speed was going to do well as he showed solid games in R1 and Team 8 is week, but Jaehoon winning so much is kind o_O.
Picking WJS was an obvious call, I knew they were going to be the strongest team in R2. However I personally didn't pick them as the $5 cost was a bit too high and I wanted to use that on players instead. Despite speed and jaehoon scoring well Team 8's overall result has been fairly average, although okay for costing only 2 points.
Lol we have almost the same anti-team, a very good one, but unfortunately not picking these juiciy 3-4 pointers is too much of a detriment to enter top 100 .
I don't even think R1CH is the one who updates it, he CAN but he probably has other things he has to take care of, especially with TL Attack! today, he probably has to make sure it's good and ready to go, it's unbelievable how much prep work goes before putting out anything of production value, and any hiccups in the broadcast can cause numbers to drop because of frustrated customers who won't wait it out (look at gsl this season and their whole new broadcast system + twitch causing lag), so he's probably too busy anyways.
I think it was Fionn or monk who updated these stats anyways, so it's probably just tied to when they get a chance to.
I have to say, the all-kill round is certainly more exciting than the previous one, at least to me.
Just the opportunity for your player to get ten points in a single night, combined with unexpected players who have all-killed makes it just that more intense to watch.
I'm also more likely to watch all of the matches as the lineups aren't predetermined, so you never know when one of your players is going to be thrown out.
Hm, I wonder if the first matches of the next round (R3) will already be on Mon/Tue. That could be a challenge then with resetting the system and allowing everyone to make new teams within a few hours.
On January 24 2013 03:37 Proseat wrote: Hm, I wonder if the first matches of the next round (R3) will already be on Mon/Tue. That could be a challenge then with resetting the system and allowing everyone to make new teams within a few hours.
Nope. The round is 4 weeks. On saturday starts week 4 of round 3.
R1CH has been sick due to the stomach flu and won't be able to update till tomorrow.
In other news, as you may have heard, round 2 ends on Sunday and round 3 starts on Monday. Thus, we will close out round 3 immediately after Sunday's games and open up round 3. Unfortunately, this only gives everyone around 16 hours max to make teams. I'm posting this now so everyone can begin to prepare. Please spread the word.
On January 24 2013 15:05 Inviteme wrote: update??? :S
On January 24 2013 14:29 monk wrote: R1CH has been sick due to the stomach flu and won't be able to update till tomorrow.
In other news, as you may have heard, round 2 ends on Sunday and round 3 starts on Monday. Thus, we will close out round 3 immediately after Sunday's games and open up round 3. Unfortunately, this only gives everyone around 16 hours max to make teams. I'm posting this now so everyone can begin to prepare. Please spread the word.
Considering each round is separate, couldn't you open up the round 3 signups before round 2 ends? Or is everything tied to the same database making that impossible? I'm a coding noob so I'm clueless on this.
On January 24 2013 15:18 Dosey wrote: Considering each round is separate, couldn't you open up the round 3 signups before round 2 ends? Or is everything tied to the same database making that impossible? I'm a coding noob so I'm clueless on this.
Well Round 2 results would affect the stats of players going into round 3 so some teams could be affected and it might not fit points-wise.
On January 24 2013 14:29 monk wrote: R1CH has been sick due to the stomach flu and won't be able to update till tomorrow.
In other news, as you may have heard, round 2 ends on Sunday and round 3 starts on Monday. Thus, we will close out round 3 immediately after Sunday's games and open up round 3. Unfortunately, this only gives everyone around 16 hours max to make teams. I'm posting this now so everyone can begin to prepare. Please spread the word.
does this answer your question? :D
I know right? my stomach hurts so much.... so, just let everyone wait till I recuperate
On January 24 2013 15:05 Inviteme wrote: update??? :S
On January 24 2013 14:29 monk wrote: R1CH has been sick due to the stomach flu and won't be able to update till tomorrow.
In other news, as you may have heard, round 2 ends on Sunday and round 3 starts on Monday. Thus, we will close out round 3 immediately after Sunday's games and open up round 3. Unfortunately, this only gives everyone around 16 hours max to make teams. I'm posting this now so everyone can begin to prepare. Please spread the word.
does this answer your question? :D
I know right? my stomach hurts so much.... so, just let everyone wait till I recuperate
On January 24 2013 15:05 Inviteme wrote: update??? :S
On January 24 2013 14:29 monk wrote: R1CH has been sick due to the stomach flu and won't be able to update till tomorrow.
In other news, as you may have heard, round 2 ends on Sunday and round 3 starts on Monday. Thus, we will close out round 3 immediately after Sunday's games and open up round 3. Unfortunately, this only gives everyone around 16 hours max to make teams. I'm posting this now so everyone can begin to prepare. Please spread the word.
does this answer your question? :D
I know right? my stomach hurts so much.... so, just let everyone wait till I recuperate
On January 24 2013 15:05 Inviteme wrote: update??? :S
On January 24 2013 14:29 monk wrote: R1CH has been sick due to the stomach flu and won't be able to update till tomorrow.
In other news, as you may have heard, round 2 ends on Sunday and round 3 starts on Monday. Thus, we will close out round 3 immediately after Sunday's games and open up round 3. Unfortunately, this only gives everyone around 16 hours max to make teams. I'm posting this now so everyone can begin to prepare. Please spread the word.
does this answer your question? :D
I know right? my stomach hurts so much.... so, just let everyone wait till I recuperate
so professional
R1CH has absolutely no obligation to do this you know. FPL previously wasn't working but R1CH fixed up the season due to requests because he cares about teamliquid....
Just saying, I think everyone here can wait a day to initiate their trades if R1CH is sick. I only posted earlier because I was hoping for some sign that FPL would be updated before week 4 begins, which monk gave.
On January 24 2013 14:29 monk wrote: R1CH has been sick due to the stomach flu and won't be able to update till tomorrow.
In other news, as you may have heard, round 2 ends on Sunday and round 3 starts on Monday. Thus, we will close out round 3 immediately after Sunday's games and open up round 3. Unfortunately, this only gives everyone around 16 hours max to make teams. I'm posting this now so everyone can begin to prepare. Please spread the word.
On January 24 2013 16:21 Aerisky wrote: Oh, I wasn't aware of this. Get well soon R1ch (and not just to update FPL), we really appreciate everything you do
i just wanna emphasize that 99% of us really appreciate it. please don't let that dude earlier ruin your day at all D:
On January 24 2013 17:51 Zeon0 wrote: I asked him already per pm, but i'll do it here too: anyway one could help? Like 5k people deprnding one one person kinda sucks :/
The reason only R1CH does it is because if the results are entered improperly, the whole round is fucked, as the current system doesn't allow for mistakes. Thus, he enters them at TLHQ and has everyone at HQ double and triple checks them. I would update the results myself it this weren't the issue.
On January 24 2013 18:34 monk wrote: After further discussion, we might just have a 3 week FPL, scrapping the first half-week results.
Please let us know what the final decision will be so that we know how to trade (i.e. whether Mon/Tue R3 matches will somehow count toward R2, or if those matches are just for shits and giggles, etc.). I'd prefer a full four-week round 3 with a clean reset even if there is only a few hours to make a new team. It just doesn't feel right if official matches get swept under the rug. But this problem will likely resurface again this season and the question will be whether a hurried short-notice reset will give you enough time to make cost adjustments et al.
i would much prefer the full four week FPL please! 16h is not thattt bad. you could release a preliminary points list early too, so people can have a think about possible teams. there would be hopefully only minor adjustments to point values in the final matches?
On January 25 2013 04:37 opterown wrote: i would much prefer the full four week FPL please! 16h is not thattt bad. you could release a preliminary points list early too, so people can have a think about possible teams. there would be hopefully only minor adjustments to point values in the final matches?
I think another part of the problem is that they have to determine the points--they don't just use the math from the previous round, but they make some adjustments too (such as Stephano being 8 points this round despite his value decaying all through round 1). Then add on the fact that they have to be awake to watch the entirety of the last day's results, then immediately get to work, or else that 16h becomes even less... Yes, round 2 gets neutered a bit, but round 3 would be neutered as well due to less people participating due to the short sign-up time--and considering it's easier for them to neuter round 2 and keep round 3 good than the opposite, I can see why they want to do it this way.
Although, I'll probably support w/e decision they end up making
On January 25 2013 04:37 opterown wrote: i would much prefer the full four week FPL please! 16h is not thattt bad. you could release a preliminary points list early too, so people can have a think about possible teams. there would be hopefully only minor adjustments to point values in the final matches?
I think another part of the problem is that they have to determine the points--they don't just use the math from the previous round, but they make some adjustments too (such as Stephano being 8 points this round despite his value decaying all through round 1). Then add on the fact that they have to be awake to watch the entirety of the last day's results, then immediately get to work, or else that 16h becomes even less... Yes, round 2 gets neutered a bit, but round 3 would be neutered as well due to less people participating due to the short sign-up time--and considering it's easier for them to neuter round 2 and keep round 3 good than the opposite, I can see why they want to do it this way.
Although, I'll probably support w/e decision they end up making
I traded Last for Ryul2 (finally was able to get rid of him!) because Major said in his interview with Axeltoss, that Ryul2 is best player in T8 in practice. So I gonna believe him, cause I still remember his "Bogus man, Bogus". He starts against Bisang, who is also kinda unproven, so I hope he wins and we will see from there.
Also considering trading RorO for Bogus. Bogus has one pretty much guaranteed win against Zenio, while in Samsung vs CJ almost anything can happen - there is a lot of amazing players on both teams, so it's hard to see what can happen... Thoughts?
Lol traded away Bbyong for Bisang, forgot it was my 2nd last terran, so. Hen trading Speed for one of the starters I was forced to pick Bogus instead of Rain, herO or Stork. Gonna hope for the best but still will probably end at a bad position .
On January 25 2013 22:53 stickyhands wrote: daaaaaaamn Taeja as captain, and JangBi in anti team
fuck my life
Same, it's all gone to fuck, haha!
Nah, you're fine, i had taeja captain, stork AND jangbi antiteam.
fuck my life
I picked a bunch of potential teams at the beginning of the round, and then I narrowed them down until I picked between two. One of them was: Speed Jaehoon Hydra JangBi free Stephano
and then I picked the other. Goodbye first place. T_T
Did they change the trade values since this morning? Spent all day debating whether or not to trade Zenio for BisAng and decided I would but now I can't t.t Guess I didn't look at the values right this morning which sucks. BisAng is REALLY good wouldn't be surprised if he got 2-3 kills. Good luck to all
edit: I was mistaken. Doesn't matter either way because BisAng should be 3+ anyway, 1.6 too low
On January 26 2013 06:49 Ciphersc wrote: Did they change the trade values since this morning? Spent all day debating whether or not to trade Zenio for BisAng and decided I would but now I can't t.t Guess I didn't look at the values right this morning which sucks. BisAng is REALLY good wouldn't be surprised if he got 2-3 kills. Good luck to all
edit: I was mistaken. Doesn't matter either way because BisAng should be 3+ anyway, 1.6 too low
With every match played, the adjusted trade values decrease significantly progressing toward the base trade values. You probably saw a partial update (i.e. some players already played matches) and thus got confused.
I'm surprised that trading is already closed when there are still more than 3 hours left to the matches. This really needs to become more consistent and reliable in the future.
Final matches... Since it is the last week I decided to trade Hydra off. Had a hard time deciding between rain and herO[join] but ended up going with hero since I think he has a better chance of streaking against khan than rain does against KT. Also traded revival for stats sinc I think revival might not get a chance to play this match and I'm hoping stats can pick up a couple wins against SKT1. It everything goes well I just might get pushed into top 100 despite having JangBi on my anti..
damn now im rlly sad i failed to check the trade options for my 1pointers last week, had i traded JyJ for Dear i'd have had 14 more points. not that it would've given me a shot at the high rankings cuz my team's reliant on SKT, but would've been nice to hit #1000 again
Heh. I traded Light -> Dear, and Trap -> Ryul2(savage). Got great return on Dear. Let's hope Ryul2 make something of it tonight, they say in practice he's the best player on team 8.
my thoughts on my FPL team this round if anyone cares: + Show Spoiler +
right now at a solid #15, but will fall after rankings get updated. I did reach my goal of top 99 (first page), but would have really liked to win. SKT was definitely my downfall this round, thought they would do much better. Also, was banking on either Hydra or Jangbi to nab a lot of kills these past two days, but that didn't happen either. My anti-team was the best I've ever done ever though, turns out STX players that aren't dear/bogus are really bad. Also Puma why u no get sent out.
Yay, I got third place amongst the seven no-trade gentlemen. For that I wish to thank my stellar anti team. Couldn't have done it without them. Main team...I am disappoint. Congratulations to Tufas who went for the ballsy RorO anti pick and still managed to stay on top. You Jangbanged us all.
On January 27 2013 18:22 AlternativeEgo wrote: Yay, I got third place amongst the seven no-trade gentlemen. For that I wish to thank my stellar anti team. Couldn't have done it without them. Main team...I am disappoint. Congratulations to Tufas who went for the ballsy RorO anti pick and still managed to stay on top. You Jangbanged us all.
well at least the jaehoon trade payed off in the end, never should've taken him off in the first place (he was in my round1 team) unless he ends up expensive, he's back on my list, thats for sure
On January 27 2013 19:45 Gimmeurladderpoints wrote: Lol what is this rule that prevents me from putting Stephano on my anti team?
from notes and rules section of official R3 thread:
Stephano and Taeja are unable to be picked on your anti-team until further notice. We also HIGHLY discourage you from picking them on your main team, as they probably won't be playing in the first week. They are both valued at 9 so that they will hopefully decay to their proper values by the time they eventually play. We hope to make player absences less of a factor in Fantasy Proleague.
The inconsistency of their top 3 players and the inability to get some win from their support cast is simply too much to overcome. They have no excuses at this point and getting a meager 1p isn't enough.
Captain : sOs (1p) - A point for a team win, with losses against Stephano and Dear. I can excuse the first loss as Stephano went back to his dreaded 12min max roach but the game again st Dear was underwhelming.
Players :
Soulkey (5p) - That was a good trade but I am worried about Soulkey, he isn't showing the same kind of dominant play as in R1. Possible Trade
Bbyong (1p) - Sometimes I just don't know what to write. There is nothing to say here, CJ is adamant on playing him but he fails miserably every time. Whatever
Jaedong (6p) - After the horrible mistakes I made with trading in Week 1, I'm happy to see some success here. It could have been better but at this point anyone bringing me more than 2 points is a welcome sight. Possible Trade
s2 (0p) - What can SKT do at this point ? If players like s2 can't managed to take a game, they'll have trouble each and every Winner's League. Opportunity Trade
On January 29 2013 06:09 BrassMonkey27 wrote: I didn't make the cut-off.. what was it, like 10 hours to sign up?? I wasn't around a computer all yesterday TT
I'm disappointed, having an active fantasy team made me more inclined to watch Proleague. Oh well.
You do not have a team for the current round. If you did create one, it was probably in the first 15 min when a reset had to be made because of a problem in the database. See mod note at the top of the current thread.
i tried to trade this morning and it wasn't open yet, then i try to trade the same night and it was already closed.. T_T my anti is gonna fuck me hard if i can't do these trades T_T
EPT
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KT Rolster vs 
Flash < Caldeum > 
Stephano
HerO
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respectively) and as such I don't consider them core players. Still Action and Stats have proven their value over time and will play a lot; on the contrary Motive and hitman won't probably see the light.
As for bamboo, yeah man I wish it wasn't every round too because it gets kind of silly lol. Trading has a lot of benefits to it. I've seen many guys win because of fantastic trades they've made and it wasn't just winner league format. You really do have to use them wisely though.
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sniper. After that sOs, Soulkey and ZerO will get priority. If Flying isn't starting, don't get him. If he is, well it's still very dangerous.
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For that I wish to thank my stellar anti team. Couldn't have done it without them. Main team...I am disappoint. Congratulations to Tufas who went for the ballsy RorO anti pick and still managed to stay on top. You Jangbanged us all. ![[image loading]](http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/9585/hatsworth.jpg)
