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On December 23 2012 03:28 C[h]ili wrote:
Interesting topic. Any guide on how to turn business meetings/conferences into a win as a introvert? After all, these are largely for networking and can be very important for your career, while I think the set up gives extroverts a clear edge.
Regards
Chili
Go and talk to people.
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Sick good thread OP. learned about the MBTI test this year in a management class. People mistakenly think Extroverts as people who want to be the center of attention while introverts are quite nerds. But Extrovert/introvert actually means is where you focus your energy. ^^ Good Read. Thanks
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On December 23 2012 00:35 Barrin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2012 11:47 glabius wrote:This thread is kind of annoying. I subscribe to the Jungian theory and I understand that there are extroverts as well as introverts but the first post just reeks of snobbishness or arrogance. OP is bolstering the qualities of introverts by putting down extroverts as talking to much or not saying anything of value. I just don't understand.. do introverts really get that much hate because they don't like going out as much or don't talk as much in social settings. Myth #1 – Introverts don’t like to talk.
This is not true. Introverts just don’t talk unless they have something to say. They hate small talk. Get an introvert talking about something they are interested in, and they won’t shut up for days.
They hate small talk, as in small talk is sooo unimportant and completely shallow. Yes, it kind of is, but its just sometimes how people interact with each other when they don't know each other too well. THIS IS HOW YOU MEET PEOPLE AND MAYBE MAKE FRIENDS. Holy shit, I hate small talk too, and I'm extroverted, I just do it because this is how people interact. I think what a more justified way to say this would be something like: Introverts in general tend not to socialize in a small talk format as much as extroverts, bam. Now you dispell the myth, but without the condescending attitude.
Myth #2 – Introverts are shy.
Shyness has nothing to do with being an Introvert. Introverts are not necessarily afraid of people. What they need is a reason to interact. They don’t interact for the sake of interacting. If you want to talk to an Introvert, just start talking. Don’t worry about being polite.
Don't really have a problem with this statement, but you make it seem like its the extroverts duty to please the introvert to be friends with them. I mean, it does go both ways, but yeah in general you'll find an extrovert will start the conversation.. which isn't necessarily bad.
Myth #3 – Introverts are rude.
Introverts often don’t see a reason for beating around the bush with social pleasantries. They want everyone to just be real and honest. Unfortunately, this is not acceptable in most settings, so Introverts can feel a lot of pressure to fit in, which they find exhausting.
This is the myth bust that might be the most condescending. Don't like beating around the bush with social pleasantries? This is just how people that don't know each other too well interact. You're saying that the way most of society interacts is shallow, no, its just the way it is. "They want everyone to be real and honest" - So you're saying no one is real and honest except introverts? I beg to differ and might suggest that how real and honest someone is has NOTHING to do with their alignment with introvert or extrovert
Myth #4 – Introverts don’t like people.
On the contrary, Introverts intensely value the few friends they have. They can count their close friends on one hand. If you are lucky enough for an introvert to consider you a friend, you probably have a loyal ally for life. Once you have earned their respect as being a person of substance, you’re in.
So basically only Introverts can understand who a true friend is, and extroverts don't value their true friends. I know this isn't what you're trying to say, but that's basically what it sounds like
Myth #5 – Introverts don’t like to go out in public.
Nonsense. Introverts just don’t like to go out in public FOR AS LONG. They also like to avoid the complications that are involved in public activities. They take in data and experiences very quickly, and as a result, don’t need to be there for long to “get it.” They’re ready to go home, recharge, and process it all. In fact, recharging is absolutely crucial for Introverts.
No problem with this explanation
Myth #6 – Introverts always want to be alone.
Introverts are perfectly comfortable with their own thoughts. They think a lot. They daydream. They like to have problems to work on, puzzles to solve. But they can also get incredibly lonely if they don’t have anyone to share their discoveries with. They crave an authentic and sincere connection with ONE PERSON at a time.
Good explanation, but I think you're trying to speak for too many introverts. I have a lot of introverted friends and they like to socialize too, they aren't always quiet, and they yes crave and authentic and sincere connection with one person, but so do extroverts..
Myth #7 – Introverts are weird.
Introverts are often individualists. They don’t follow the crowd. They’d prefer to be valued for their novel ways of living. They think for themselves and because of that, they often challenge the norm. They don’t make most decisions based on what is popular or trendy.
LOL. You subscribe to jungian theory and you're trying to put introverts all in a category of having a novel way of living and thinking differently or for themselves. Guess what, a lot of people think for themselves and challenge the norm DESPITE their affiliation with introvert or extrovert, this literally has nothing at all to do with it. In fact, since you subscribe to jungian theory let me show you something
ENTP - Ne, Ti, Fe, Si
INTP - Ti, Ne, Si, Fe
An INTP and ENTP are quite similar relatively except the order of their functions. ENTP has Ne, first, and Si last. Guess what makes the most rebellious people -------- Ne and a low Si. For an INTP they follow Ne Second and Si third compared to ENTP. This is ironic because arguably an ENTP is much more rebellious and against the norm. (Anecdotal source, I am ENTP and one of my best friends is INTP, I am definitely much more ready to rebel while he will sometimes go with the norms more than i will. Not only is your explanation completely wrong logically, it is disingenuous to all extroverts and tries to put them in a box of "conformists."
Myth #8 – Introverts are aloof nerds.
Introverts are people who primarily look inward, paying close attention to their thoughts and emotions. It’s not that they are incapable of paying attention to what is going on around them, it’s just that their inner world is much more stimulating and rewarding to them.
No problem with this statement
Myth #9 – Introverts don’t know how to relax and have fun.
Introverts typically relax at home or in nature, not in busy public places. Introverts are not thrill seekers and adrenaline junkies. If there is too much talking and noise going on, they shut down. Their brains are too sensitive to the neurotransmitter called Dopamine. Introverts and Extroverts have different dominant neuro-pathways. Just look it up.
Not really that bad of a statement, but still almost completely wrong. I have a really good ISTP friend who is one of the BIGGEST thrill seekers I know. Furthermore my INFP and INTP friend are also big thrill seekers but in different ways entirely. Introverts and extroverts literally have no reason to be more ready to be thrill seekers than their extroverted counterparts. Maybe introverts are in generally less thrill seeking in meeting people, but still, not really. Not only is this negative towards extroverts, the statement tries to put introverts in a box where they aren't fun thrill seeking people.
Myth #10 – Introverts can fix themselves and become Extroverts.
A world without Introverts would be a world with few scientists, musicians, artists, poets, filmmakers, doctors, mathematicians, writers, and philosophers. That being said, there are still plenty of techniques an Extrovert can learn in order to interact with Introverts. (Yes, I reversed these two terms on purpose to show you how biased our society is.) Introverts cannot “fix themselves” and deserve respect for their natural temperament and contributions to the human race. In fact, one study (Silverman, 1986) showed that the percentage of Introverts increases with IQ.
So, introverts are smarter than extroverts and they are the only ones that can be scientists, musicians, artists, poets, filmmakers, doctors, mathematicians, writers, and philosophers? You're asking everyone to stop generalizing introverts and saying negative things towards them when you are doing THE EXACT SAME THING FOR EXTROVERTS. According to OP: 1. Extroverts are shallow, introverts are more genuine. 2. Extroverts are social conformists where as introverts follow their own path. 3. Extroverts engage in small talk which is completely terrible. 4. Extroverts don't value their real friends. 5. Introverts are never thrill seekers and are open to new stimuli 6. Introverts are smarter on the IQ scale 7. Extroverts are not as capable as introverts at some highly respected careers (scientist, mathematical, artists) 8. Extroverts are completely 100% responsible for interacting with introverts, and if introverts aren't social its usually the extroverts fault. OP: tl;dr introverts rock according to my psuedo science and extroverts are sucky shallow people go introverts. No dude. He is debunking myths about introverts, not asserting ideas about extroverts. Look carefully at your work and you'll see you put many words in his mouth.
When you start out by polarizing people into 2 groups which are supposedly the exact opposite (I know they are not as it is a sliding scale, but that is not exactly what the theory behind the MBTI is, nor what you convey too well in the OP) of each other and then say the qualities of group 1 is XXXXXXXX, you are indirectly saying that group 2 is the opposite. Glabius did not put any words in your mouth, you placed them there by the way you constructed the OP. Honestly, as a type "human being" myself I could care less. The MBTI is mostly crap and if you feel like you gain anything from labeling people go right ahead, my gripe is when you use it as an attempt to assert superiority over others - which the entire OP reeks of and it is is quite frankly ridiculous.
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On December 23 2012 07:02 Barrin wrote:
Yes I am being very assertive about it... and as Poe says "words have no power to impress the mind without the exquisite horror of their reality" ... if you are so offended by this thread then maybe there is something to it. If you haven't noticed it is (rightfully) giving people confidence THEY PROBABY NEED left and right.
This is exactly what's wrong with your post. If you write something that gives people confidence in themselves, then alarm bells should go off. More likely than not you told them simply what they wanted to hear. (but maybe you worded it nicely) In this case it's you trying to convince people that they too can belong to a special group of strategic leaders, engineers, master planners (...) to rule the world. It's just marketing, and some people don't want to buy. (so you go argue with them endlessly in this thread)
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I don't think this kind of behavior should be celebrated, it's just a combination of character faults such as lower confidence, risk aversion, possibly some anxiety, etc. Some years ago I would have fit the introverted model quite well, but as I've grown older and shed some of these behaviors I found how much they limit one's life. If I could go back and become completely "extroverted" I would in a heartbeat.
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On December 23 2012 07:02 Barrin wrote:
The thing is that I'm really not showing why an introvert is better than an extrovert, that's sort of a straw man. Perhaps some of the information sources did that (they really just showed some specific strengths if anything, not an overall I>E), but especially my words themselves did not really do that.
I am however glorifying the benefits of being quiet.
Yes I am being very assertive about it... and as Poe says "words have no power to impress the mind without the exquisite horror of their reality" ... if you are so offended by this thread then maybe there is something to it. If you haven't noticed it is (rightfully) giving people confidence THEY PROBABY NEED left and right.
You yourselves are evangelizing the fact that everyone - introverts and extroverts - can display every sort of behavior etc. including being quiet. I agree completely.
But I don't think its me who's being ridiculous.
Apparently we should speak through quotes, so let me start out with a couple:
“The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents." - Lovecraft
"Neither comprehension nor learning can take place in an atmosphere of anxiety." Rose Kennedy
“Reading without reflecting is like eating without digesting.” Edmund Burke
Now that it this exercise is sillyness is out of the way let me reiterate what I thought was painfully obvious from my previous post: I am not as such offended by the topic of this thread (why would I be? I scored rather highly in introversion when I had to take the MBTI during med school - if anything I should be joining in on the ego stroking), I am offended by the tone and underlying theme of superiority that the OP reeks of for the above state reasons which you have decided to close your eyes for. That is of course completely up to you, but I can not help but notice that you are showing the same reaction pattern as the first time someone challenged you and go straight for the person whilst doing some pretty heavily projecting. That the tone of the OP is being challenged throughout the 20 pages of this thread and all the positive responses you are getting are from introverts, should tell you that THERE IS PROBABLY SOMETHING WRONG WITH IT if you truly wanted to educate extroverts - as you claim in your OP - and not just boost the ego of the introverts.
EDIT: Grumbels hit the nail on the head pretty well.
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INTP/J representing bro. Massive OP btw, kudos. I've read most of these things already as I had a period of research on this topic myself :D It's interesting that it's getting a bit more attention lately.
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As a strongly introverted individual I was happy to read about certain aspects of introversion being "normal." Things like needing time to recharge, being content and happy in a situation even if I'm not giving off the standard "WHEE I'M HAVING FUN" signals, a tight group of friends, and a desire for a high signal to noise ratio in social exchanges are all very familiar aspects of how I like things. To the extent that the OP makes more people aware of how introverts typically feel, I think it'll help bridge the gap between introverts and extroverts, or at least ease some of the pressure to "adapt or be seen as weird" on introverts.
I have to agree with those voicing objections on behalf of the extroverts out there. I think there are too many positive values attached to the introverts, with corresponding negatives left for the "not-introverts." As an introvert reading the post and linked materials, I agreed with much of it, up until it started attacking the extroverted status quo. It felt like "eye for an eye" kind of justice instead of an honest attempt to promote peace. "Oh you think I'm weird for doing things this way? Well, actually, I'm normal and good and I think YOU'RE weird for doing things your way." Right? When arguing for space to be yourself it doesn't really make sense to dismiss the behavior of someone else as nonsensical, shallow or unnecessary when some of those tendencies are just as innate as the ones you're trying to defend.
I'm more interested in learning techniques to improve relations and communications across the E<->I divide. Carving out space for introverts to be who they are without being judged negatively is a great idea, but I think some of the arguments put forth in the OP and subsequent posts are counterproductive.
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This might be the most extensive OP I've ever seen.
GJ OP.
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The quote from Pascal in the OP has nothing to do with silence though... It isn't supposed to mean that you'd be better off if you were silent.
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Nice OP, Barrin. However, I am skeptical about the hype around The Introvert spearheaded by people like Cain. Worse, I can already see the new wave of management gobbledy-gook pouring forth about treating and engaging Introverts in the workplace etc. Also, there is nothing special about a good many Introverts - in the same way there is nothing special about a good many Extroverts. A good part of your OP is, "I am quiet, hear me roar!" when, in reality, a good many Introverts are idiots.
Just being quiet does not indicate a monopoly on worthwhile thought.
I did find the test illuminating though. It's been a year since I took the test, and it was interesting to come up as a moderate INFJ. The last time I took the test, for work purposes, I came up as a INTJ. Before that I took the test for personal reasons and came up as a mild INFJ, and before that a mild INTJ. It's interesting, for me personally, to see that oscillation between INTJ and INFJ in the 4 times I have taken the test in the last 4 - 5 years or so.
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This does kind of clash with the TL enlightenment thread of last week, 'fake it til you become it'.
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It is somewhat interesting to notice the interaction styles between the various posters in this thread. Given that most people on this forum have preferences more on the side of introversion, thinking and intuition, those who show preferences for extraversion will find themselves in the minority, where orientation by the object is preeminent to the subject. In this regard, positions forwarded by the introverted OP based on a subjective and mutable idea may be incongruent with the objective experience had by some more extraverted members. As an extravert, think about what the OP is trying to say on an introverted, subjective level; for the introverts, don't allow the objective points made by the OP define who you are...the hostility of the extraverts is warning against precisely that.
Also, considering the rarity of introverted intuitive thinkers in the world, it is both wonderful and remarkable to have such a dense collection of INTx types here. The purpose for the MBTI and Jungian psychoanalysis is reconciliation and mutual understanding, not to box people into categories for self-aggrandizement or the establishment of uniquity. Use these tools to understand one another and to see alternative ways of viewing the world.
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On December 23 2012 08:24 Thrill wrote:
This does kind of clash with the TL enlightenment thread of last week, 'fake it til you become it'.
I don't think so. It's a disposition and as such it is overcomable if you have the will to do so, but generally having that disposition means you don't have the will to be the opposite. I'm pretty sure I've become introverted due to a series of decisions on which things I prefer to focus on.
I was working last year (actually for 6 months I wasn't and 6 months I was) and whilst looking for jobs I was always coming up against the same barrier of every position requiring an outgoing individual and for no apparent reason. My grades and the fact that I could do the job efficiently were worth next to nothing if they decided I 'wouldn't fit in' to their workforce. The job I eventually did get had a senior manager (AKA not directly part of the team) at the interview who I suspect was the reason I got it. It can be pretty crushing to know that despite being well suited to a job people just don't want you.
Then again, I'm not sure the extent to which this can be attributed to my introversion as opposed to other related but distinct things. When I did the job every day was a strain, not because of the workload but because of the social atmosphere. I've learnt that I cannot live my life like that if I want to avoid severe depression. I need purpose, and I can't get that from social interaction and more often than not it's very straining, because to me it's acting.
It's not in any way because I dislike people, but in a way I dislike interacting with them, at least in forced circumstances. On the other hand there are a very few people I can literally talk to all night (edit: and this does not in any way have to be an intellectual conversation or anything. I will talk total shit more often than not. I'm not rigid or emotionally blunt (also for reference, I got INTP).
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On December 23 2012 00:35 Barrin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2012 11:47 glabius wrote:This thread is kind of annoying. I subscribe to the Jungian theory and I understand that there are extroverts as well as introverts but the first post just reeks of snobbishness or arrogance. OP is bolstering the qualities of introverts by putting down extroverts as talking to much or not saying anything of value. I just don't understand.. do introverts really get that much hate because they don't like going out as much or don't talk as much in social settings. Myth #1 – Introverts don’t like to talk.
This is not true. Introverts just don’t talk unless they have something to say. They hate small talk. Get an introvert talking about something they are interested in, and they won’t shut up for days.
They hate small talk, as in small talk is sooo unimportant and completely shallow. Yes, it kind of is, but its just sometimes how people interact with each other when they don't know each other too well. THIS IS HOW YOU MEET PEOPLE AND MAYBE MAKE FRIENDS. Holy shit, I hate small talk too, and I'm extroverted, I just do it because this is how people interact. I think what a more justified way to say this would be something like: Introverts in general tend not to socialize in a small talk format as much as extroverts, bam. Now you dispell the myth, but without the condescending attitude.
Myth #2 – Introverts are shy.
Shyness has nothing to do with being an Introvert. Introverts are not necessarily afraid of people. What they need is a reason to interact. They don’t interact for the sake of interacting. If you want to talk to an Introvert, just start talking. Don’t worry about being polite.
Don't really have a problem with this statement, but you make it seem like its the extroverts duty to please the introvert to be friends with them. I mean, it does go both ways, but yeah in general you'll find an extrovert will start the conversation.. which isn't necessarily bad.
Myth #3 – Introverts are rude.
Introverts often don’t see a reason for beating around the bush with social pleasantries. They want everyone to just be real and honest. Unfortunately, this is not acceptable in most settings, so Introverts can feel a lot of pressure to fit in, which they find exhausting.
This is the myth bust that might be the most condescending. Don't like beating around the bush with social pleasantries? This is just how people that don't know each other too well interact. You're saying that the way most of society interacts is shallow, no, its just the way it is. "They want everyone to be real and honest" - So you're saying no one is real and honest except introverts? I beg to differ and might suggest that how real and honest someone is has NOTHING to do with their alignment with introvert or extrovert
Myth #4 – Introverts don’t like people.
On the contrary, Introverts intensely value the few friends they have. They can count their close friends on one hand. If you are lucky enough for an introvert to consider you a friend, you probably have a loyal ally for life. Once you have earned their respect as being a person of substance, you’re in.
So basically only Introverts can understand who a true friend is, and extroverts don't value their true friends. I know this isn't what you're trying to say, but that's basically what it sounds like
Myth #5 – Introverts don’t like to go out in public.
Nonsense. Introverts just don’t like to go out in public FOR AS LONG. They also like to avoid the complications that are involved in public activities. They take in data and experiences very quickly, and as a result, don’t need to be there for long to “get it.” They’re ready to go home, recharge, and process it all. In fact, recharging is absolutely crucial for Introverts.
No problem with this explanation
Myth #6 – Introverts always want to be alone.
Introverts are perfectly comfortable with their own thoughts. They think a lot. They daydream. They like to have problems to work on, puzzles to solve. But they can also get incredibly lonely if they don’t have anyone to share their discoveries with. They crave an authentic and sincere connection with ONE PERSON at a time.
Good explanation, but I think you're trying to speak for too many introverts. I have a lot of introverted friends and they like to socialize too, they aren't always quiet, and they yes crave and authentic and sincere connection with one person, but so do extroverts..
Myth #7 – Introverts are weird.
Introverts are often individualists. They don’t follow the crowd. They’d prefer to be valued for their novel ways of living. They think for themselves and because of that, they often challenge the norm. They don’t make most decisions based on what is popular or trendy.
LOL. You subscribe to jungian theory and you're trying to put introverts all in a category of having a novel way of living and thinking differently or for themselves. Guess what, a lot of people think for themselves and challenge the norm DESPITE their affiliation with introvert or extrovert, this literally has nothing at all to do with it. In fact, since you subscribe to jungian theory let me show you something
ENTP - Ne, Ti, Fe, Si
INTP - Ti, Ne, Si, Fe
An INTP and ENTP are quite similar relatively except the order of their functions. ENTP has Ne, first, and Si last. Guess what makes the most rebellious people -------- Ne and a low Si. For an INTP they follow Ne Second and Si third compared to ENTP. This is ironic because arguably an ENTP is much more rebellious and against the norm. (Anecdotal source, I am ENTP and one of my best friends is INTP, I am definitely much more ready to rebel while he will sometimes go with the norms more than i will. Not only is your explanation completely wrong logically, it is disingenuous to all extroverts and tries to put them in a box of "conformists."
Myth #8 – Introverts are aloof nerds.
Introverts are people who primarily look inward, paying close attention to their thoughts and emotions. It’s not that they are incapable of paying attention to what is going on around them, it’s just that their inner world is much more stimulating and rewarding to them.
No problem with this statement
Myth #9 – Introverts don’t know how to relax and have fun.
Introverts typically relax at home or in nature, not in busy public places. Introverts are not thrill seekers and adrenaline junkies. If there is too much talking and noise going on, they shut down. Their brains are too sensitive to the neurotransmitter called Dopamine. Introverts and Extroverts have different dominant neuro-pathways. Just look it up.
Not really that bad of a statement, but still almost completely wrong. I have a really good ISTP friend who is one of the BIGGEST thrill seekers I know. Furthermore my INFP and INTP friend are also big thrill seekers but in different ways entirely. Introverts and extroverts literally have no reason to be more ready to be thrill seekers than their extroverted counterparts. Maybe introverts are in generally less thrill seeking in meeting people, but still, not really. Not only is this negative towards extroverts, the statement tries to put introverts in a box where they aren't fun thrill seeking people.
Myth #10 – Introverts can fix themselves and become Extroverts.
A world without Introverts would be a world with few scientists, musicians, artists, poets, filmmakers, doctors, mathematicians, writers, and philosophers. That being said, there are still plenty of techniques an Extrovert can learn in order to interact with Introverts. (Yes, I reversed these two terms on purpose to show you how biased our society is.) Introverts cannot “fix themselves” and deserve respect for their natural temperament and contributions to the human race. In fact, one study (Silverman, 1986) showed that the percentage of Introverts increases with IQ.
So, introverts are smarter than extroverts and they are the only ones that can be scientists, musicians, artists, poets, filmmakers, doctors, mathematicians, writers, and philosophers? You're asking everyone to stop generalizing introverts and saying negative things towards them when you are doing THE EXACT SAME THING FOR EXTROVERTS. According to OP: 1. Extroverts are shallow, introverts are more genuine. 2. Extroverts are social conformists where as introverts follow their own path. 3. Extroverts engage in small talk which is completely terrible. 4. Extroverts don't value their real friends. 5. Introverts are never thrill seekers and are open to new stimuli 6. Introverts are smarter on the IQ scale 7. Extroverts are not as capable as introverts at some highly respected careers (scientist, mathematical, artists) 8. Extroverts are completely 100% responsible for interacting with introverts, and if introverts aren't social its usually the extroverts fault. OP: tl;dr introverts rock according to my psuedo science and extroverts are sucky shallow people go introverts. No dude. He is debunking myths about introverts, not asserting ideas about extroverts. Look carefully at your work and you'll see you put many words in his mouth.
I'm using the myth section as one part to describe my distaste for OP's original post. I didn't have enough time to get every single point in the whole post so I focused on one part. Honestly, this whole thread is just an attempt to start an introverted circle jerk about how introverts are super awesome. This is generally how personality type forums/threads/discussion about personality types end up. It's generally a bunch of INTP/INTJ/ENTP/ENTJ's circle jerking about how awesome their personality type is (and also sometimes INFP/ENFP) but you'll find personality type stuff draws INTJ/ENTP/INTP the most. They like to circle jerk about how awesome their type is. I know because I am ENTP and think my type is fucking awesome, but it gets tiring.
I seriously don't know why this thread is even necessary. It's mostly promoting introverted socially awkward types to self identify with their social awkwardness as a result of introversion and they "can't help it"
Sorry but, no, you're socially awkward because you're socially awkward regardless of extroversion or introversion, not because you don't like small talk and people are so fake. Uou just have a problem interacting with people. Introverts ARE NOT any less capable of socializing or less socially skilled. Introversion simply means that you prefer your introverted function first and foremost. There is literally nothing wrong with being introverted, and I honestly don't think anyone fucking cares about people that prefer to chill with a few people or alone generally rather than parties or large gatherings. These threads and conversations are talked about because people are insecure about their social ineptitude and blame it on "introversion."
Anyways, this is just like, my opinion, man, some of you may disagree. Continue on jerking
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Quite interesting OP. I was INTP two years ago, and I'm scoring more concretely as an ENTP instead of an INTP ever since. The 16 types are an interesting concept but it is definitely possible to transcend types. Slowly, but I'm willing to say that you can become your polar opposite in less than a year.
I forced extroversion upon myself for two months straight because while introversion is great, you need to network, you need to realize how other people think or pretend to think, and extroversion will get you a much better foundation the more you get used to it. Once I started to lose my trains of thought intentionally, experimenting with a good depth of conversation - convey some great ideas, but don't forget the casual stuff and the pleasantries wherever needed - did it for two months, and life definitely changed for me. I began to learn things I couldn't have gotten without emphasis on mass communication, feedback, and general extroversion. Jump in and go, no second thoughts, applied to everything and anything. And take everyone with me on my leap.
But it's only for utility and experience. I want to find a good medium to live in, somewhat extroverted and somewhat introverted. Introversion awareness is 10 kilos of grade-A bullshit. The real issue here should just be bridging people of all types. Don't stand out and be proud that you're somehow "better" than the other person, assimilate and encourage others to assimilate. Thou art not holier than them, they art not holier than thou.
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Aieeeee Barrin and his OPs. O_O
@Sentinel: many people constantly change on the introvert/extrovert scale throughout their lives, even without conscious effort or major differences in living situations. And of course a mix is far more likely than one way or the other.
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Anyway, I'm always glad for exposure for widespread misconceptions. (Is this even an applicable description in the present zeitgeist?) But I'm never glad for fetishizing in earnest. (Not that this was intended nor necessarily effected.)
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I hope nobody believes this bullshit. Barrin, you are not special, and you are making this seem like a religion for the poor masses that have grown up during the nineties.
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On December 23 2012 10:12 Animzor wrote:
I hope nobody believes this bullshit. Barrin, you are not special, and you are making this seem like a religion for the poor masses that have grown up during the nineties.
What bullshit? He's only fighting the misconception that introverts are failures. Nothing wrong with that.
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