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On November 23 2012 16:17 Antisocialmunky wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hope NASA didn't find chryssalids up there. Besides life, what other stuff would warrant this much attention I wonder. Amino acids?
What much attention? The only thing that has leaked out is that they found something that might be extraordinary. Nobody's hyping this thing but us.
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On November 23 2012 12:04 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Think we are forgetting "organic" is a loaded word if it is followed by "material" it is not life.
Also it is quite clear NASA does not have a PR person, or just doesn't care, handling this story. I think what you mean is that if organic is followed by "compound" it may not have any relation to life. It's not so much that "organic" is a loaded word, more that it's used in a very vague sense in chemistry. It's not even properly defined what an organic compound is, it can be something as basic as anything with carbon in it.
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On November 23 2012 17:26 NicolBolas wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 16:17 Antisocialmunky wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hope NASA didn't find chryssalids up there. Besides life, what other stuff would warrant this much attention I wonder. Amino acids? What much attention? The only thing that has leaked out is that they found something that might be extraordinary. Nobody's hyping this thing but us. It actually got several articles in one of Swedens biggest newspapers, Aftonbladet. Though they are known for being a pretty shitty newspaper and they hype crap up all the time.
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On November 23 2012 17:26 NicolBolas wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2012 16:17 Antisocialmunky wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hope NASA didn't find chryssalids up there. Besides life, what other stuff would warrant this much attention I wonder. Amino acids? What much attention? The only thing that has leaked out is that they found something that might be extraordinary. Nobody's hyping this thing but us. Exactly. Extraordinary for a space scientist could be something most people couldn't care less about, we'll just have to wait and see.
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On November 23 2012 16:47 TheDraken wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 00:19 DwmC_Foefen wrote: If it's life (like bacteria or something) wouldn't this disprove most of the major religions? :p
CURIOUS to see what it is going to be ^^ depends on what it is. if it ends up being something like e coli. we'll end up with a news story about the manhunt within NASA to find the moron who didn't wash their hands before getting back to work. might make an interesting experiment though to see if it can spread and survive.
Why would it disprove religion? I'm not exactly the most religious guy, but I do know a little bit about how these Christians think (Lets use them as the prime example). They will justify their religion by...
1. Explaining scripts from the bible metaphorically. Some Religious patrons claimed that the earth that was created in "7 days" explains evolution, and each day represents millions of years.
2. Saying that this in no way disproves Christianity because well.. it doesn't? So what if we find some weird microscopic organism on another planet? God Created the "Heavens and the Earth", that doesn't say that their aren't organisms on other planets (I won't argue the fact though that it makes religion sound even more like a fairy tale).
3. As You said, they will say that the Scientists are idiots and that they shouldn't be believed. Some Christians today deny Macro Evolution, and that the only Scientific basis Scientists have for evolution is at the micro level. They say anything else that Scientists bring up isn't 100% sound and shouldn't be used to prove some form of evolution.
I'm speaking from Christian's point of view, but I am sure that all other religions have their various excuses as well. The Bible was actually quite well written... it seems to cover all areas since almost all things can be explained metaphorically.
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For me it's surprising that nobody knows what it is about. I mean, there are a lot of people working there, they certainly know what are the studying. And the people from outside who they are in contact with sure are curios about what it is. Still, nobody leaked the info?
Hopefully they will release the story to public regardless of the results.
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I am excited about this. I really hope it is a long the lines evience of previous life or current life (bacteria etc.). The sci-fi kid in me wants it to be ruins of an ancient mars civilzation
On a serious note it must be really big considering how careful they are checking the results and keeping it secret. Does anyone know a rough timeframe as to whent he announcement will be made or is it completely up in the air?
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I doubt you get a job at NASA if you can't keep your mouth shut to some degree.
Besides, they are all scientists, they all known the massive shitstorm that follows if they get anything wrong, especially if this is about the claim that life is found on another planet.
Get that wrong and you have insane evangelicals screaming for the next 100 years.
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On November 23 2012 18:20 zalz wrote: I doubt you get a job at NASA if you can't keep your mouth shut to some degree.
Besides, they are all scientists, they all known the massive shitstorm that follows if they get anything wrong, especially if this is about the claim that life is found on another planet.
Get that wrong and you have insane evangelicals screaming for the next 100 years. Meeeh, they'll do that no matter what.
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Much of the internet is buzzing over upcoming “big news” from NASA’s Curiosity rover, but the space agency’s scientists are keeping quiet about the details.
The report comes by way of the rover’s principal investigator, geologist John Grotzinger of Caltech, who said that Curiosity has uncovered exciting new results from a sample of Martian soil recently scooped up and placed in the Sample Analysis at Mars (SAM) instrument.
“This data is gonna be one for the history books. It’s looking really good,” Grotzinger told NPR in an segment published Nov. 20. Curiosity’s SAM instrument contains a vast array of tools that can vaporize soil and rocks to analyze them and measure the abundances of certain light elements such as carbon, oxygen, and nitrogen – chemicals typically associated with life.
The mystery will be revealed shortly, though. Grotzinger told Wired through e-mail that NASA would hold a press conference about the results during the 2012 American Geophysical Union meeting in San Francisco from Dec. 3 to 7. Because it’s so potentially earth-shaking, Grotzinger said the team remains cautious and is checking and double-checking their results. But while NASA is refusing to discuss the findings with anyone outside the team, especially reporters, other scientists are free to speculate.
“If it’s going in the history books, organic material is what I expect,” says planetary scientist Peter Smith from the University of Arizona’s Lunar and Planetary Laboratory. Smith is formerly the principal investigator on a previous Mars mission, the Phoenix lander, which touched down at the Martian North Pole in 2008. “It may be just a hint, but even a hint would be exciting.”
“If they found signatures of a very complex organic type, that would be astounding,” said Smith, since they would likely be leftovers from complex life forms that once roamed Mars. But the odds of finding such a startling result in a sample of sand scooped from a random dune are “very, very low,” Smith said.
Smith cautioned against speculating too much, since rumors have a way of spreading rapidly when it comes to any discussion of potential life on Mars. During his tenure on the Phoenix mission, his team was evaluating the interesting perchlorate results, which they kept secret during analysis. Rumors got out and then became worse when an unsubstantiated report claimed a member of his team meeting was meeting with the White House.
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When will NASA break the news? I am so excited I can hardly wait. If they're not mistaken (which of course is a possibility) this could be the biggest news of this century.
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suddenly remind me of Dan Brown's Deception Point
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Lots of really big words used in that wired article. "one for the history books" and "earth-shaking" ... I dont like that; too much hyping and someone should check when the guys in Washington are discussing funding for NASA next time.
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On November 26 2012 03:59 HowardRoark wrote: When will NASA break the news? I am so excited I can hardly wait. If they're not mistaken (which of course is a possibility) this could be the biggest news of this century.
These days
On November 24 2012 06:55 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
The mystery will be revealed shortly, though. Grotzinger told Wired through e-mail that NASA would hold a press conference about the results during the 2012 American Geophysical Union meeting in San Francisco from Dec. 3 to 7.
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NASA pulling back:
Guy Webster, a spokesperson for NASA, downplayed the discovery, stating:
"It won't be earthshaking but it will be interesting."
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On November 26 2012 11:08 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:NASA pulling back: Show nested quote +Guy Webster, a spokesperson for NASA, downplayed the discovery, stating:
"It won't be earthshaking but it will be interesting." Source
This is going to be something exciting for NASA but mundane for the rest of us... like some new mineral or atmospheric compound they didn't know was there. Thats it. Don't get your hopes up people.
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On November 26 2012 11:08 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:NASA pulling back: Show nested quote +Guy Webster, a spokesperson for NASA, downplayed the discovery, stating:
"It won't be earthshaking but it will be interesting." Source
So that means no direct evidence of life.
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On November 23 2012 18:12 arbiter_md wrote: For me it's surprising that nobody knows what it is about. I mean, there are a lot of people working there, they certainly know what are the studying. And the people from outside who they are in contact with sure are curios about what it is. Still, nobody leaked the info?
Hopefully they will release the story to public regardless of the results. My father works at JPL. I was on the campus the day they announced the announcement. Most employees DON'T know what the news is. JPL is very specialized in sections and I'm guessing only maybe 50 or less employees know what is going on. Everyone else is doing their own tasks.
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On November 26 2012 11:14 ElMeanYo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2012 11:08 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:NASA pulling back: Guy Webster, a spokesperson for NASA, downplayed the discovery, stating:
"It won't be earthshaking but it will be interesting." Source This is going to be something exciting for NASA but mundane for the rest of us... like some new mineral or atmospheric compound they didn't know was there. Thats it. Don't get your hopes up people.
Speak for yourself; I find all of this stuff fascinating. It doesn't all need to be earthshaking to be interesting.
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