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necmon
194 Posts
Here is some information about it: http://www.iris.ethz.ch/iris/series/series/ETH_RSC_lecture_kornfeld.pdf I intend to attend as it also mentions that he will present some of the early scientific results of the mission... Let's see if we can lure him into disclosing something ;-) | ||
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Brutaxilos
United States2622 Posts
On November 26 2012 18:24 necmon wrote: There will be a talk about the mars curiosity rover mission by Dr. Richard Kornfeld (one of the leading scientists of the so-called "entry, descent and landing team" of this mission) at my university this week (Nov. 30). Here is some information about it: http://www.iris.ethz.ch/iris/series/series/ETH_RSC_lecture_kornfeld.pdf I intend to attend as it also mentions that he will present some of the early scientific results of the mission... Let's see if we can lure him into disclosing something ;-) Sigh, I've been trying to explain to all of you guys, but no one is even reading what I'm saying. My father works at JPL, and actually was one of the lead programmers for the landing and descent for the MER rovers. What I'm saying is, most JPL employees don't know jack shit. There's a difference between the engineers at JPL and the scientists. Dr. Kornfeld may be an expert in the creation of the rover, but he has absolutely no authority over the research it does. I was on campus for an interview the day they announced the announcement. All the employees I was in contact with (many were pretty high level) had absolutely no idea of the announcement itself. My guess is, only the researchers and the main manager and a few other people know just what it is right now. | ||
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necmon
194 Posts
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Godwrath
Spain10115 Posts
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helvete
Sweden276 Posts
It was all a misunderstanding. What Grotzinger was actually trying to convey is that Curiosity’s data over her entire two-year mission will further our knowledge of Mars more than ever before, making it a historical mission. http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2012/11/27/nasa_mars_discovery_misunderstanding_mission_leader_excited_about_entire.html | ||
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AlgeriaT
Sweden2195 Posts
Or maybe they're just backpeddling. Those tests revealed their find to be just plain birdshit stuck to the soil sample extractor, and now they're to embarrassed to admit it In any case, fuck NASA. | ||
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Poyo
Canada790 Posts
On November 30 2012 02:43 helvete wrote: Ok so are you prepared for this? It was all a misunderstanding. http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2012/11/27/nasa_mars_discovery_misunderstanding_mission_leader_excited_about_entire.html That's quite the mistake... | ||
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Duka08
3391 Posts
On November 30 2012 02:43 helvete wrote: Ok so are you prepared for this? It was all a misunderstanding. http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2012/11/27/nasa_mars_discovery_misunderstanding_mission_leader_excited_about_entire.html Why didn't they amend the situation as soon as it blew up then lol. And why were there conferences and shit announced. Weird. | ||
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NicolBolas
United States1388 Posts
On November 30 2012 05:53 Duka08 wrote: Why didn't they amend the situation as soon as it blew up then lol. And why were there conferences and shit announced. Weird. Where did it "blow up"? I think people don't really understand that this wasn't big news. There may have been buzz in online-communities, but as far as actual news organizations are concerned, not much was said. | ||
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Cascade
Australia5405 Posts
Popular science always exagerates, uses the most fantastic angle imaginable, and on occasions just makes stuff up. | ||
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ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
Are they trying to make up for what they didn't find on Mars? | ||
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The_Masked_Shrimp
425 Posts
It's all because of the media misunderstanding things, just like it was for the neutrino going faster than light. I have recently been to a conference made by those guys who worked on the experiment to measure neutrino velocity. Something somewhat fun and weird happened at the end, is that all the professors in the room started to debate about the recent increasing interest media has shown towards science. And because the scientific timescale is much wider than the timescale of the media sphere, medias are releasing opinions or hypothesis of the early stages of the treatment of an experiment as if they were aknowledged facts. The thing is it takes several months to "confirm" a scientific result, people must analyze stuff and then say they MIGHT have found something, then other people completely independant must analyze it again before saying what the previous guys might have found MIGHT really be something tangible. And then after a concensus we say that the discovery is accepted until proven false. From the media point of view, you want to sell news, every week, every single day, you want to know right know. So reporters jump into the first stages of a scientific analysis and PULL WORDS OUT OF SCIENTISTS who must know start to be really carefull about what they say publicly. This is a big and serious concern in the scientific world actually because everyone is used to freely share their ideas and hypothesis with their collegues, medias making scandals out of this starts to make some scientists think about being more secret about their researches. | ||
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Duka08
3391 Posts
On November 30 2012 07:26 NicolBolas wrote: Where did it "blow up"? I think people don't really understand that this wasn't big news. There may have been buzz in online-communities, but as far as actual news organizations are concerned, not much was said. I'm not disagreeing about it not being as big as it sounded. But it did get quite a bit of online press... | ||
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TheWickedDuck
19 Posts
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Lephex2.0
Germany43 Posts
On November 30 2012 10:51 TheWickedDuck wrote: This is fucking stupid how does anybody need this? How does anybody benefit from this? your kids kids and their kids kids will.... | ||
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forsooth
United States3648 Posts
On November 30 2012 10:51 TheWickedDuck wrote: This is fucking stupid how does anybody need this? How does anybody benefit from this? The whole "trying to understand the universe better" thing has yielded a tangible result or two + Show Spoiler + or thousands | ||
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NicolBolas
United States1388 Posts
On November 30 2012 10:51 TheWickedDuck wrote: This is fucking stupid how does anybody need this? How does anybody benefit from this? What "this" are we talking about? Human exploration? Are you really saying that human exploration is not beneficial? Think of the technology needed to make Curiosity. The "out of the box" thinking needed to engineer it's descent. All of the tools needed to make it work. The special technology for its instruments and detectors. Even if we discover nothing new about Mars, that alone is worth the effort. If people with as little imagination as you were in charge of humanity, we'd still be hunter/gatherers. Why bother with all this "studying how plants reproduce" thing? It's not beneficial to anyone. It's not like someday you might learn how to deliberately plant plants so that they grow into edible food that we don't have to forage for, thus ensuring a stable society that we can use to build a real civilization rather than hunter/gatherer bands. | ||
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ApocAlypsE007
Israel1007 Posts
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necmon
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don_kyuhote
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