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On November 21 2012 11:49 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 11:43 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 21 2012 11:38 Promethelax wrote:On November 21 2012 11:35 Keirathi wrote:On November 21 2012 11:32 Promethelax wrote:
I also forgot that Kier was in this game, he would probably be on my team because <3, first guy to ever catch me as scum. Teehee <3 Also, remember, we aren't necessarily voting for the TEAM, just the leader. Then the leader chooses the team to go with him. Of course, whoever we elect for party leader has to be accountable for his choices, but just throwing out 3-4 names for a team isn't really a "read". But should the party leader change their mind on who they pick they will need to provide real reasons which should come from real reads. Just as if I were to fos someone and later call them town, you would want to know why. This game does not have a lynch mechanic, it has a leader mechanic and therefore we should use that mechanic to force people into giving reads. Prom, what do you mean by this? I mean that our leader vote mechanic is how everyone not running for leader gives reads (if I vote Z-bo as leader for instance that says "I trust Z-bo and agree with his plans for the way the party should be constructed). Party leaders need to have something for which they are accountable, it isn't their vote, instead it is the team they propose. That team is much better if it is town (the success of the mission depends on them being town) and therefore we use the mechanic to make people give town reads instead of scum reads. Is that clearer? It makes sense in my head but I'm not sure that it translates well onto paper. Oats: thanks for picking me n stuff.
Yes, much clearer, and I agree 100%, it's what I meant by saying transparency. I'd much rather we base our votes on campaigns rather than balls-out trust. That way town has more control over who constitutes the party, with the leader still being flexible with his choices.
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
Something that I just thought of that we may be able to take advantage of later on are name claims. It seems unlikely that there are multiple versions of certain characters running around. For example, if we were to have a likely town character such as Lucca name claim, we could elect her as leader. This however is based on the assumption that the alignment in this game is tied to the alignment of the video game. Until this becomes clear, I wouldn't be confident in trying to abuse the setup like this. Also, we would have to worry about the mafia being given certain fake claims, but this is something that is less of a threat, considering the potential reward.
We also have the option as town to enforce an additional party member selection vote. This limits the power of a single player, but it makes it easier for the mafia to sneak in one of their own in the 3rd of 4th slot. I think I'd rather put faith in the elected leader, to avoid the manipulation, assuming myself or my candidate of choice is elected.
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On November 21 2012 11:51 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 11:50 Hapahauli wrote:On November 21 2012 11:49 Keirathi wrote:On November 21 2012 11:49 Hapahauli wrote:
The more I think about this, the more I like Sandro's line of thinking. Our ideal party leader in this scenario is a skilled player with a very distinguishable town/scum meta. From what I've heard about Sandro's play in the thread so far, it fits the bill rather well. That was a quick flip-flop read.... Your point is? It's not like I'm making a read - we're still almost entirely in setup speculation no? It's just a super weird change of opinion from "You're suspicious for even suggesting that." to "Okay, I actually like that idea, let's do it"
Ok, but again, your point is? Do you disagree with me or something? If so, speak up. Otherwise, these random passive accusations are pointless and stupid.
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United Kingdom36156 Posts
i think hapa was labouring under the same misapprehension as me, that the party actually has to do stuff for the event.
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I think I would rather avoid name claiming for right now given the HP issue. It will probably help mafia assort their kp more effectively.
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On November 21 2012 11:51 Adam4167 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 11:03 Acrofales wrote:It's no more silly than a pressure vote off the bat in a normal setup  How do you know you don't gain anything from bringing vets. It's greymist and I am expecting minigames, unconfirmed masons and other shenanigans. Having a player like kush or adam there is NOT a good idea, even if they are town. You would paint me as useless before I even arrive to the thread? I'd like to hear your reasons, if you have them, or are you just discrediting people at random?
I've played with you in 2 or 3 games (can't remember if you were in SSM atm) and you were completely inactive in all of them. So... yes, I have a reason: you sign up and then maybe, if we get lucky, get the 1 post a day that is the minimum requirement to play. Prove me wrong and I will be a happy man!
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On November 21 2012 11:56 sandroba wrote:
I think I would rather avoid name claiming for right now given the HP issue. It will probably help mafia assort their kp more effectively.
Do you know something we don't about scum kp system?
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random fluff post,
Lotta Brazilians :O
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Yes. I have the power of logic on my side. It's very rare these days.
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On November 21 2012 11:53 kitaman27 wrote:
Something that I just thought of that we may be able to take advantage of later on are name claims. It seems unlikely that there are multiple versions of certain characters running around. For example, if we were to have a likely town character such as Lucca name claim, we could elect her as leader. This however is based on the assumption that the alignment in this game is tied to the alignment of the video game. Until this becomes clear, I wouldn't be confident in trying to abuse the setup like this. Also, we would have to worry about the mafia being given certain fake claims, but this is something that is less of a threat, considering the potential reward.
We also have the option as town to enforce an additional party member selection vote. This limits the power of a single player, but it makes it easier for the mafia to sneak in one of their own in the 3rd of 4th slot. I think I'd rather put faith in the elected leader, to avoid the manipulation, assuming myself or my candidate of choice is elected.
You're really hanging this on the assumption that scum doesn't have safe claims. In general, I hate mass claims, because they break the game AND have a large chance to backfire.
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On November 21 2012 11:53 kitaman27 wrote:
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We also have the option as town to enforce an additional party member selection vote. This limits the power of a single player, but it makes it easier for the mafia to sneak in one of their own in the 3rd of 4th slot. I think I'd rather put faith in the elected leader, to avoid the manipulation, assuming myself or my candidate of choice is elected.
I'm not sure if I like the idea of a "general town vote" for a slot. It's just plain unenforcable - the town leader can just disagree, and what are we going to do... lynch the party leader everyone voted because they thought he/she was town?
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On November 21 2012 11:59 sandroba wrote:
Yes. I have the power of logic on my side. It's very rare these days.
So you're saying that you deduced that scum will know hp by flavor claims, or anything for that matter? Please explain to us idiots.
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kitaman27
United States9244 Posts
On November 21 2012 11:59 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 11:53 kitaman27 wrote:
Something that I just thought of that we may be able to take advantage of later on are name claims. It seems unlikely that there are multiple versions of certain characters running around. For example, if we were to have a likely town character such as Lucca name claim, we could elect her as leader. This however is based on the assumption that the alignment in this game is tied to the alignment of the video game. Until this becomes clear, I wouldn't be confident in trying to abuse the setup like this. Also, we would have to worry about the mafia being given certain fake claims, but this is something that is less of a threat, considering the potential reward.
We also have the option as town to enforce an additional party member selection vote. This limits the power of a single player, but it makes it easier for the mafia to sneak in one of their own in the 3rd of 4th slot. I think I'd rather put faith in the elected leader, to avoid the manipulation, assuming myself or my candidate of choice is elected. You're really hanging this on the assumption that scum doesn't have safe claims. In general, I hate mass claims, because they break the game AND have a large chance to backfire.
Who said I was suggesting a mass claim? I'm saying we could use a single name claim, only after we identify that the alignments in this game line up with the alignments in the video game. The mafia likely does have safe claims, but if we select a character at random, the odds are in our favor. The rewards certainly outweigh the risks in my opinion.
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On November 21 2012 11:55 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 11:51 Keirathi wrote:On November 21 2012 11:50 Hapahauli wrote:On November 21 2012 11:49 Keirathi wrote:On November 21 2012 11:49 Hapahauli wrote:
The more I think about this, the more I like Sandro's line of thinking. Our ideal party leader in this scenario is a skilled player with a very distinguishable town/scum meta. From what I've heard about Sandro's play in the thread so far, it fits the bill rather well. That was a quick flip-flop read.... Your point is? It's not like I'm making a read - we're still almost entirely in setup speculation no? It's just a super weird change of opinion from "You're suspicious for even suggesting that." to "Okay, I actually like that idea, let's do it" Ok, but again, your point is? Do you disagree with me or something? If so, speak up. Otherwise, these random passive accusations are pointless and stupid.
Why are you getting defensive? There was a very simple reasoning for your change of opinion, which was already obvious; you thought events required some interaction from the players. Once you realized they didn't, you happily changed your mind.
Of course I knew that, but I called you out anyways to see how you would react, and that wasn't the correct way.
My goal is to be narrowing down who I plan to vote as party leader. Yes, I already said I will most likely vote marv, but there are definitely other options. You being one of them. But this exchange pushes you down my list a ways.
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On November 21 2012 12:02 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 11:59 sandroba wrote:
Yes. I have the power of logic on my side. It's very rare these days. So you're saying that you deduced that scum will know hp by flavor claims, or anything for that matter? Please explain to us idiots.
Who do you think will have more hp chrono or chrono's mom? Pretty sure HP proportions will be in accordance to game flavour.
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On November 21 2012 12:02 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 11:59 Acrofales wrote:On November 21 2012 11:53 kitaman27 wrote:
Something that I just thought of that we may be able to take advantage of later on are name claims. It seems unlikely that there are multiple versions of certain characters running around. For example, if we were to have a likely town character such as Lucca name claim, we could elect her as leader. This however is based on the assumption that the alignment in this game is tied to the alignment of the video game. Until this becomes clear, I wouldn't be confident in trying to abuse the setup like this. Also, we would have to worry about the mafia being given certain fake claims, but this is something that is less of a threat, considering the potential reward.
We also have the option as town to enforce an additional party member selection vote. This limits the power of a single player, but it makes it easier for the mafia to sneak in one of their own in the 3rd of 4th slot. I think I'd rather put faith in the elected leader, to avoid the manipulation, assuming myself or my candidate of choice is elected. You're really hanging this on the assumption that scum doesn't have safe claims. In general, I hate mass claims, because they break the game AND have a large chance to backfire. Who said I was suggesting a mass claim? I'm saying we could use a single name claim, only after we identify that the alignments in this game line up with the alignments in the video game. The mafia likely does have safe claims, but if we select a character at random, the odds are in our favor. The rewards certainly outweigh the risks in my opinion.
Oh, I misunderstood. I thought you wanted everybody to claim their name. I still don't like the idea, but I dislike it a bit less now. I see no real point in it. Lets say we get a "Crono" claim. I agree that names are probably unique, but who's to say this isn't a mafia with a safeclaim?
Lets put it this way: assuming mafia has safeclaims, how does a name when selecting a character at random have any added value over just plain selecting a character at random?
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Stop posting so I can catch up! I'm still on page 13 lol.
But one quick thought as I come up to speed: obvious inexperienced townie >>>>>> than hard-to-read vet. Since voting in a mafia will work against us, this should be a no-brainer. And besides, said townie would have the opinions of the rest of town to go off of to choose their party.
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On November 21 2012 11:53 kitaman27 wrote:
Something that I just thought of that we may be able to take advantage of later on are name claims. It seems unlikely that there are multiple versions of certain characters running around. For example, if we were to have a likely town character such as Lucca name claim, we could elect her as leader. This however is based on the assumption that the alignment in this game is tied to the alignment of the video game. Until this becomes clear, I wouldn't be confident in trying to abuse the setup like this. Also, we would have to worry about the mafia being given certain fake claims, but this is something that is less of a threat, considering the potential reward.
We also have the option as town to enforce an additional party member selection vote. This limits the power of a single player, but it makes it easier for the mafia to sneak in one of their own in the 3rd of 4th slot. I think I'd rather put faith in the elected leader, to avoid the manipulation, assuming myself or my candidate of choice is elected.
I think having faith in the electoral system is a good idea. We're more likely to chose one good town player as a whole than four town players individually. Whomever is elected i will support in their choice of team 100%, we as a town gain more (information and, I believe a better chance of mission success) by giving that power to one person.
On November 21 2012 12:02 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 11:59 sandroba wrote:
Yes. I have the power of logic on my side. It's very rare these days. So you're saying that you deduced that scum will know hp by flavor claims, or anything for that matter? Please explain to us idiots.
I actually agree with Clarity here, I don't see how scum could know the HP associated with a name. However I also oppose a name claim currently. I hate mass claims without a reason and I don't see a reason for one right now.
Sand: you haven't learned the rule "never trust GreY"
Kier: would you really vote for Marv? Do you think you have the ability to meta read him well enough to know that he is town? I don't think I could and, unless someone can convince me that he is town or the person he is running against is super scummy I will NOT vote Marv.
Adam, I'd love to hear anything more from you than "I'm a worthwhile player!"
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On November 21 2012 12:04 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 11:55 Hapahauli wrote:On November 21 2012 11:51 Keirathi wrote:On November 21 2012 11:50 Hapahauli wrote:On November 21 2012 11:49 Keirathi wrote:On November 21 2012 11:49 Hapahauli wrote:
The more I think about this, the more I like Sandro's line of thinking. Our ideal party leader in this scenario is a skilled player with a very distinguishable town/scum meta. From what I've heard about Sandro's play in the thread so far, it fits the bill rather well. That was a quick flip-flop read.... Your point is? It's not like I'm making a read - we're still almost entirely in setup speculation no? It's just a super weird change of opinion from "You're suspicious for even suggesting that." to "Okay, I actually like that idea, let's do it" Ok, but again, your point is? Do you disagree with me or something? If so, speak up. Otherwise, these random passive accusations are pointless and stupid. Why are you getting defensive? There was a very simple reasoning for your change of opinion, which was already obvious; you thought events required some interaction from the players. Once you realized they didn't, you happily changed your mind. Of course I knew that, but I called you out anyways to see how you would react, and that wasn't the correct way. My goal is to be narrowing down who I plan to vote as party leader. Yes, I already said I will most likely vote marv, but there are definitely other options. You being one of them. But this exchange pushes you down my list a ways.
Damnit you hurt my feelings - you will not be getting my vote either so THERE!
But why do you want to vote marv? Did you miss the entire discussion over the last few pages? Ideally we want to vote a veteran who is easy to read and we can be clear on his/her motives. Marv is certainly a veteran, but not someone I can read convincingly enough after 1 day of play to be sure of his motives.
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I think hapa is an excellent choice judging by last game (mario mini) since he admitted himself his scum play is fairly weak compared to his town play.
I agree that any claim idea right now is terrible and shouldn't really be discussed.
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