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On November 21 2012 12:10 Clarity_nl wrote:
I think hapa is an excellent choice judging by last game (mario mini) since he admitted himself his scum play is fairly weak compared to his town play.
I agree that any claim idea right now is terrible and shouldn't really be discussed.
So do you have a town read on Hapa right now? Mind explaining it?
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I do not have any kind of read on anyone yet. He would be a good choice because if he's scum it'll show comparatively to his town play.
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On November 21 2012 12:09 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 12:04 Keirathi wrote:On November 21 2012 11:55 Hapahauli wrote:On November 21 2012 11:51 Keirathi wrote:On November 21 2012 11:50 Hapahauli wrote:On November 21 2012 11:49 Keirathi wrote:On November 21 2012 11:49 Hapahauli wrote:
The more I think about this, the more I like Sandro's line of thinking. Our ideal party leader in this scenario is a skilled player with a very distinguishable town/scum meta. From what I've heard about Sandro's play in the thread so far, it fits the bill rather well. That was a quick flip-flop read.... Your point is? It's not like I'm making a read - we're still almost entirely in setup speculation no? It's just a super weird change of opinion from "You're suspicious for even suggesting that." to "Okay, I actually like that idea, let's do it" Ok, but again, your point is? Do you disagree with me or something? If so, speak up. Otherwise, these random passive accusations are pointless and stupid. Why are you getting defensive? There was a very simple reasoning for your change of opinion, which was already obvious; you thought events required some interaction from the players. Once you realized they didn't, you happily changed your mind. Of course I knew that, but I called you out anyways to see how you would react, and that wasn't the correct way. My goal is to be narrowing down who I plan to vote as party leader. Yes, I already said I will most likely vote marv, but there are definitely other options. You being one of them. But this exchange pushes you down my list a ways. Damnit you hurt my feelings - you will not be getting my vote either so THERE! But why do you want to vote marv? Did you miss the entire discussion over the last few pages? Ideally we want to vote a veteran who is easy to read and we can be clear on his/her motives. Marv is certainly a veteran, but not someone I can read convincingly enough after 1 day of play to be sure of his motives.
I said I would vote marv, barring a scummy vibe from him. And, yes, I feel I have a decent grasp of when marv is acting scummy. The key is, though, that I thoroughly trust marv's ability to make town reads. In the event that he is scum, though, even a scum marv can't afford to pick other scum without some damn good reasoning that they are town, which I believe could be seen through.
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Clarity, i would agree with you if Hapa's reaction to Kier's questions had been what I expect from a town Hapa but it wasn't. My short list is a little bit shorter. Why would you vote anyone you don't have a town read on?
Goodkarma: have you played any games since our Newbie Mini Misfortune?
Hapa: what kind of player would get your vote? Not Kier, Not Marv...who?
Keir: how many scum does it take to sabotage a mission? My guess is that even a single one will fuck us so a scum Marv would not need to pick any scummers.
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EBWOP: What I mean is that, as town, even if marv isn't right with him scum reads, he is generally spot on with his "This player is definitely town, and here's why" reads. If he started calling people town to pick for his team for reasons that I don't think he would normally give, it would be pretty transparent.
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On November 21 2012 12:16 Promethelax wrote:
Keir: how many scum does it take to sabotage a mission? My guess is that even a single one will fuck us so a scum Marv would not need to pick any scummers.
How the hell am I supposed to know?
I doubt one scum would sabotage a mission, unless they were the scum with the highest hidden modifier in a team full of low modifiers, and even then I kind of doubt it.
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[QUOTE]On November 21 2012 12:16 Promethelax wrote:
Clarity, i would agree with you if Hapa's reaction to Kier's questions had been what I expect from a town Hapa but it wasn't. My short list is a little bit shorter. Why would you vote anyone you don't have a town read on?[Quote]
Well what exactly did you expect? I feel like everyone has their own little different version of what my town meta is like =P
[Quote]Hapa: what kind of player would get your vote? Not Kier, Not Marv...who?[/Quote]
As previously stated, a strong-town player (vet) that has a very distinguishable meta. The player in my mind that fits this the most is Sandro, though it seems pointless to make a decision right now when the day is still young.
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Bah humbug stupid Quote things:
On November 21 2012 12:16 Promethelax wrote:
Clarity, i would agree with you if Hapa's reaction to Kier's questions had been what I expect from a town Hapa but it wasn't. My short list is a little bit shorter. Why would you vote anyone you don't have a town read on?
Well what exactly did you expect? I feel like everyone has their own little different version of what my town meta is like =P
Hapa: what kind of player would get your vote? Not Kier, Not Marv...who?
As previously stated, a strong-town player (vet) that has a very distinguishable meta. The player in my mind that fits this the most is Sandro, though it seems pointless to make a decision right now when the day is still young.
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Basically what hapa just said, it applies to him, townread or no.
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I would quite like to know what people were "expecting" from a town hapa as well.
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On November 21 2012 11:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
random fluff post,
Lotta Brazilians :O
Useless. Don't post like this.
On November 21 2012 12:14 Clarity_nl wrote:
I do not have any kind of read on anyone yet. He would be a good choice because if he's scum it'll show comparatively to his town play.
Who is he? I'm assuming Hapa.
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I'd like to be the party leader. I'm an unknown (hopefully) and no one will make stupid bullshit meta reads on the leader that would probably be worse than a coin flip. That's pretty much the only reason I want to lead. I don't even want to pick who will be the three on my team, which takes me to the next part of my pitch, and something I hope whoever is leader uses.
If I'm leader I don't want to choose the three people with me. I want to choose three people to choose three people who will be on the team. They can choose themselves if they'd like. Why do this? Because it gets us more information. If I'm not chosen leader I'd like the person who IS chosen to implement this system.
We still get information from who the leader chooses, AND we get information based upon who the three chosen people choose.
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On November 21 2012 12:23 marvellosity wrote:
I would quite like to know what people were "expecting" from a town hapa as well.
I already said what I was expecting. The answer you gave, rather than getting defensive. There really was a very, very simple answer, but instead he decided to call my aggression pointless. Doesn't have anything to do with his town meta or whatever, just on my willingness to trust him.
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I would expect an explanation from you, Hapa, as to why you mind changed. Not an explanation from someone else while you got mad about being asked. My version of your town meta is where you pressure people until they cry and admit that they are scum or poop themselves in fear of your tunnels even though they are town.
hapa: How many games have you played with Sandro that make you aware of, and able to read, his meta?
Clarity: I see your reasoning and agree with it, I just don't have that town feel from Hapa. (as Hapa knows I never have a town feel from him).
Marv: what would you expect from town Hapa?
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On November 21 2012 12:25 TheChronicler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 11:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
random fluff post,
Lotta Brazilians :O Useless. Don't post like this. Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 12:14 Clarity_nl wrote:
I do not have any kind of read on anyone yet. He would be a good choice because if he's scum it'll show comparatively to his town play. Who is he? I'm assuming Hapa. ---------------------------------------------- I'd like to be the party leader. I'm an unknown (hopefully) and no one will make stupid bullshit meta reads on the leader that would probably be worse than a coin flip. That's pretty much the only reason I want to lead. I don't even want to pick who will be the three on my team, which takes me to the next part of my pitch, and something I hope whoever is leader uses. If I'm leader I don't want to choose the three people with me. I want to choose three people to choose three people who will be on the team. They can choose themselves if they'd like. Why do this? Because it gets us more information. If I'm not chosen leader I'd like the person who IS chosen to implement this system. We still get information from who the leader chooses, AND we get information based upon who the three chosen people choose.
What in the actual fuck. Sure it's information but it's information impossible to decipher. Odds are you'll hit a scum somewhere in your massive pit of chaos but how will you tell the difference between him and the townie who just happened to get it wrong.
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On November 21 2012 12:27 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 12:25 TheChronicler wrote:On November 21 2012 11:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
random fluff post,
Lotta Brazilians :O Useless. Don't post like this. On November 21 2012 12:14 Clarity_nl wrote:
I do not have any kind of read on anyone yet. He would be a good choice because if he's scum it'll show comparatively to his town play. Who is he? I'm assuming Hapa. ---------------------------------------------- I'd like to be the party leader. I'm an unknown (hopefully) and no one will make stupid bullshit meta reads on the leader that would probably be worse than a coin flip. That's pretty much the only reason I want to lead. I don't even want to pick who will be the three on my team, which takes me to the next part of my pitch, and something I hope whoever is leader uses. If I'm leader I don't want to choose the three people with me. I want to choose three people to choose three people who will be on the team. They can choose themselves if they'd like. Why do this? Because it gets us more information. If I'm not chosen leader I'd like the person who IS chosen to implement this system. We still get information from who the leader chooses, AND we get information based upon who the three chosen people choose. What in the actual fuck. Sure it's information but it's information impossible to decipher. Odds are you'll hit a scum somewhere in your massive pit of chaos but how will you tell the difference between him and the townie who just happened to get it wrong.
Scum will have to choose another person or risk showing their hand and causing the event to fail. Town can freely choose themselves since they know they'll only help with the event.
Doesn't seem chaotic to me. Why is it seeming chaotic to you?
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On November 21 2012 11:56 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 11:51 Adam4167 wrote:On November 21 2012 11:03 Acrofales wrote:It's no more silly than a pressure vote off the bat in a normal setup  How do you know you don't gain anything from bringing vets. It's greymist and I am expecting minigames, unconfirmed masons and other shenanigans. Having a player like kush or adam there is NOT a good idea, even if they are town. You would paint me as useless before I even arrive to the thread? I'd like to hear your reasons, if you have them, or are you just discrediting people at random? I've played with you in 2 or 3 games (can't remember if you were in SSM atm) and you were completely inactive in all of them. So... yes, I have a reason: you sign up and then maybe, if we get lucky, get the 1 post a day that is the minimum requirement to play. Prove me wrong and I will be a happy man!
Mhmm I recall the games you are speaking about.
I signed up to Holy Roman mafia under the impression that trolling was not only acceptable, it was encouraged.
Real life got in the way of TL LVI.
Unfortunate that that is the impression you have of me, as I think my other games speak far better of my play. You can expect better this game.
Right now, I like what Kitaman is saying. He is the person I am leaning towards electing party leader. Emphasis on 'towniness' over everything else as it is all that matters for these missions, not how useful a player is.
If not him, then Keirathi. Looks exactly the same as he did in Who's Line Is It Anyway.
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in that situation i wouldn't particularly expect anything different from town hapa than I would from a scum hapa.
he can be pretty prickly as both alignments.
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On November 21 2012 12:29 TheChronicler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 12:27 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 21 2012 12:25 TheChronicler wrote:On November 21 2012 11:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
random fluff post,
Lotta Brazilians :O Useless. Don't post like this. On November 21 2012 12:14 Clarity_nl wrote:
I do not have any kind of read on anyone yet. He would be a good choice because if he's scum it'll show comparatively to his town play. Who is he? I'm assuming Hapa. ---------------------------------------------- I'd like to be the party leader. I'm an unknown (hopefully) and no one will make stupid bullshit meta reads on the leader that would probably be worse than a coin flip. That's pretty much the only reason I want to lead. I don't even want to pick who will be the three on my team, which takes me to the next part of my pitch, and something I hope whoever is leader uses. If I'm leader I don't want to choose the three people with me. I want to choose three people to choose three people who will be on the team. They can choose themselves if they'd like. Why do this? Because it gets us more information. If I'm not chosen leader I'd like the person who IS chosen to implement this system. We still get information from who the leader chooses, AND we get information based upon who the three chosen people choose. What in the actual fuck. Sure it's information but it's information impossible to decipher. Odds are you'll hit a scum somewhere in your massive pit of chaos but how will you tell the difference between him and the townie who just happened to get it wrong. Scum will have to choose another person or risk showing their hand and causing the event to fail. Town can freely choose themselves since they know they'll only help with the event. Doesn't seem chaotic to me. Why is it seeming chaotic to you?
Because you're throwing a second layer of wifom into the mix.
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On November 21 2012 12:29 TheChronicler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 12:27 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 21 2012 12:25 TheChronicler wrote:On November 21 2012 11:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
random fluff post,
Lotta Brazilians :O Useless. Don't post like this. On November 21 2012 12:14 Clarity_nl wrote:
I do not have any kind of read on anyone yet. He would be a good choice because if he's scum it'll show comparatively to his town play. Who is he? I'm assuming Hapa. ---------------------------------------------- I'd like to be the party leader. I'm an unknown (hopefully) and no one will make stupid bullshit meta reads on the leader that would probably be worse than a coin flip. That's pretty much the only reason I want to lead. I don't even want to pick who will be the three on my team, which takes me to the next part of my pitch, and something I hope whoever is leader uses. If I'm leader I don't want to choose the three people with me. I want to choose three people to choose three people who will be on the team. They can choose themselves if they'd like. Why do this? Because it gets us more information. If I'm not chosen leader I'd like the person who IS chosen to implement this system. We still get information from who the leader chooses, AND we get information based upon who the three chosen people choose. What in the actual fuck. Sure it's information but it's information impossible to decipher. Odds are you'll hit a scum somewhere in your massive pit of chaos but how will you tell the difference between him and the townie who just happened to get it wrong. Scum will have to choose another person or risk showing their hand and causing the event to fail. Town can freely choose themselves since they know they'll only help with the event. Doesn't seem chaotic to me. Why is it seeming chaotic to you?
brilliant, town will choose themselves and scum will choose someone else in case the event fails.
oops, scum just outed himself. scum will obviously just choose himself then, won't he.
then town will be in a situation where one or more of the party are scum. But then they would be just as aware of that with any composition, and with a lot more control over who they put in in the first place.
Silly.
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On November 21 2012 12:25 TheChronicler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 11:59 Oatsmaster wrote:
random fluff post,
Lotta Brazilians :O Useless. Don't post like this.
Thanks for the confidence boost...
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If I'm leader I don't want to choose the three people with me. I want to choose three people to choose three people who will be on the team. They can choose themselves if they'd like. Why do this? Because it gets us more information. If I'm not chosen leader I'd like the person who IS chosen to implement this system.
We still get information from who the leader chooses, AND we get information based upon who the three chosen people choose.
All this does is show us that you have no confidence in your reads... Also passing the blame if town fails the mission you are leading by saying you didnt pick the party members..
Suspicious behavior
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