• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 20:33
CEST 02:33
KST 09:33
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro4 Preview: On Course4Code S Season 1 - RO8 Preview7[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Progenitors8Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun13[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Inheritors16
Community News
Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule !7Weekly Cups (April 27-May 4): Clem takes triple0RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event12Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO12 Results12026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers25
StarCraft 2
General
Code S Season 1 - RO8 Preview Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book Weekly Cups (April 27-May 4): Clem takes triple Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO12 Results
Tourneys
GSL Code S Season 1 (2026) WardiTV Mondays Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule !
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players
External Content
Mutation # 525 Wheel of Misfortune The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 524 Death and Taxes Mutation # 523 Firewall
Brood War
General
[ASL21] Ro4 Preview: On Course Quality of life changes in BW that you will like ? Why there arent any 256x256 pro maps? RepMastered™: replay sharing and analyzer site BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL22] RO16 Group Stage - 02 - 10 May [ASL21] Ro8 Day 3 [ASL21] Ro8 Day 4
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Fighting Spirit mining rates Muta micro map competition What's the deal with APM & what's its true value
Other Games
General Games
Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread Daigo vs Menard Best of 10
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread UK Politics Mega-thread The Letting Off Steam Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
streaming software Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
How EEG Data Can Predict Gam…
TrAiDoS
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1326 users

Chrono Trigger Mafia - Page 16

Forum Index > TL Mafia
Post a Reply
Prev 1 14 15 16 17 18 384 Next
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
November 21 2012 02:52 GMT
#301
On November 21 2012 11:49 Promethelax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2012 11:43 Z-BosoN wrote:
On November 21 2012 11:38 Promethelax wrote:
On November 21 2012 11:35 Keirathi wrote:
On November 21 2012 11:32 Promethelax wrote:
I also forgot that Kier was in this game, he would probably be on my team because <3, first guy to ever catch me as scum.

Teehee <3

Also, remember, we aren't necessarily voting for the TEAM, just the leader. Then the leader chooses the team to go with him. Of course, whoever we elect for party leader has to be accountable for his choices, but just throwing out 3-4 names for a team isn't really a "read".


But should the party leader change their mind on who they pick they will need to provide real reasons which should come from real reads. Just as if I were to fos someone and later call them town, you would want to know why. This game does not have a lynch mechanic, it has a leader mechanic and therefore we should use that mechanic to force people into giving reads.


Prom, what do you mean by this?


I mean that our leader vote mechanic is how everyone not running for leader gives reads (if I vote Z-bo as leader for instance that says "I trust Z-bo and agree with his plans for the way the party should be constructed). Party leaders need to have something for which they are accountable, it isn't their vote, instead it is the team they propose. That team is much better if it is town (the success of the mission depends on them being town) and therefore we use the mechanic to make people give town reads instead of scum reads.

Is that clearer? It makes sense in my head but I'm not sure that it translates well onto paper.

Oats: thanks for picking me n stuff.


Yes, much clearer, and I agree 100%, it's what I meant by saying transparency. I'd much rather we base our votes on campaigns rather than balls-out trust. That way town has more control over who constitutes the party, with the leader still being flexible with his choices.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 21 2012 02:53 GMT
#302
Something that I just thought of that we may be able to take advantage of later on are name claims. It seems unlikely that there are multiple versions of certain characters running around. For example, if we were to have a likely town character such as Lucca name claim, we could elect her as leader. This however is based on the assumption that the alignment in this game is tied to the alignment of the video game. Until this becomes clear, I wouldn't be confident in trying to abuse the setup like this. Also, we would have to worry about the mafia being given certain fake claims, but this is something that is less of a threat, considering the potential reward.

We also have the option as town to enforce an additional party member selection vote. This limits the power of a single player, but it makes it easier for the mafia to sneak in one of their own in the 3rd of 4th slot. I think I'd rather put faith in the elected leader, to avoid the manipulation, assuming myself or my candidate of choice is elected.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
November 21 2012 02:55 GMT
#303
On November 21 2012 11:51 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2012 11:50 Hapahauli wrote:
On November 21 2012 11:49 Keirathi wrote:
On November 21 2012 11:49 Hapahauli wrote:
The more I think about this, the more I like Sandro's line of thinking. Our ideal party leader in this scenario is a skilled player with a very distinguishable town/scum meta. From what I've heard about Sandro's play in the thread so far, it fits the bill rather well.

That was a quick flip-flop read....


Your point is?

It's not like I'm making a read - we're still almost entirely in setup speculation no?

It's just a super weird change of opinion from "You're suspicious for even suggesting that." to "Okay, I actually like that idea, let's do it"


Ok, but again, your point is? Do you disagree with me or something? If so, speak up. Otherwise, these random passive accusations are pointless and stupid.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
November 21 2012 02:56 GMT
#304
i think hapa was labouring under the same misapprehension as me, that the party actually has to do stuff for the event.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
November 21 2012 02:56 GMT
#305
I think I would rather avoid name claiming for right now given the HP issue. It will probably help mafia assort their kp more effectively.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18290 Posts
November 21 2012 02:56 GMT
#306
On November 21 2012 11:51 Adam4167 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2012 11:03 Acrofales wrote:
It's no more silly than a pressure vote off the bat in a normal setup

How do you know you don't gain anything from bringing vets. It's greymist and I am expecting minigames, unconfirmed masons and other shenanigans. Having a player like kush or adam there is NOT a good idea, even if they are town.


You would paint me as useless before I even arrive to the thread? I'd like to hear your reasons, if you have them, or are you just discrediting people at random?

I've played with you in 2 or 3 games (can't remember if you were in SSM atm) and you were completely inactive in all of them. So... yes, I have a reason: you sign up and then maybe, if we get lucky, get the 1 post a day that is the minimum requirement to play. Prove me wrong and I will be a happy man!
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 21 2012 02:58 GMT
#307
On November 21 2012 11:56 sandroba wrote:
I think I would rather avoid name claiming for right now given the HP issue. It will probably help mafia assort their kp more effectively.


Do you know something we don't about scum kp system?
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
November 21 2012 02:59 GMT
#308
random fluff post,
Lotta Brazilians :O
No gg, No skill.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
November 21 2012 02:59 GMT
#309
Yes. I have the power of logic on my side. It's very rare these days.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18290 Posts
November 21 2012 02:59 GMT
#310
On November 21 2012 11:53 kitaman27 wrote:
Something that I just thought of that we may be able to take advantage of later on are name claims. It seems unlikely that there are multiple versions of certain characters running around. For example, if we were to have a likely town character such as Lucca name claim, we could elect her as leader. This however is based on the assumption that the alignment in this game is tied to the alignment of the video game. Until this becomes clear, I wouldn't be confident in trying to abuse the setup like this. Also, we would have to worry about the mafia being given certain fake claims, but this is something that is less of a threat, considering the potential reward.

We also have the option as town to enforce an additional party member selection vote. This limits the power of a single player, but it makes it easier for the mafia to sneak in one of their own in the 3rd of 4th slot. I think I'd rather put faith in the elected leader, to avoid the manipulation, assuming myself or my candidate of choice is elected.

You're really hanging this on the assumption that scum doesn't have safe claims. In general, I hate mass claims, because they break the game AND have a large chance to backfire.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
November 21 2012 03:00 GMT
#311
On November 21 2012 11:53 kitaman27 wrote:
...
We also have the option as town to enforce an additional party member selection vote. This limits the power of a single player, but it makes it easier for the mafia to sneak in one of their own in the 3rd of 4th slot. I think I'd rather put faith in the elected leader, to avoid the manipulation, assuming myself or my candidate of choice is elected.


I'm not sure if I like the idea of a "general town vote" for a slot. It's just plain unenforcable - the town leader can just disagree, and what are we going to do... lynch the party leader everyone voted because they thought he/she was town?
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 21 2012 03:02 GMT
#312
On November 21 2012 11:59 sandroba wrote:
Yes. I have the power of logic on my side. It's very rare these days.


So you're saying that you deduced that scum will know hp by flavor claims, or anything for that matter? Please explain to us idiots.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 21 2012 03:02 GMT
#313
On November 21 2012 11:59 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2012 11:53 kitaman27 wrote:
Something that I just thought of that we may be able to take advantage of later on are name claims. It seems unlikely that there are multiple versions of certain characters running around. For example, if we were to have a likely town character such as Lucca name claim, we could elect her as leader. This however is based on the assumption that the alignment in this game is tied to the alignment of the video game. Until this becomes clear, I wouldn't be confident in trying to abuse the setup like this. Also, we would have to worry about the mafia being given certain fake claims, but this is something that is less of a threat, considering the potential reward.

We also have the option as town to enforce an additional party member selection vote. This limits the power of a single player, but it makes it easier for the mafia to sneak in one of their own in the 3rd of 4th slot. I think I'd rather put faith in the elected leader, to avoid the manipulation, assuming myself or my candidate of choice is elected.

You're really hanging this on the assumption that scum doesn't have safe claims. In general, I hate mass claims, because they break the game AND have a large chance to backfire.


Who said I was suggesting a mass claim? I'm saying we could use a single name claim, only after we identify that the alignments in this game line up with the alignments in the video game. The mafia likely does have safe claims, but if we select a character at random, the odds are in our favor. The rewards certainly outweigh the risks in my opinion.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
Keirathi
Profile Joined May 2012
United States4679 Posts
November 21 2012 03:04 GMT
#314
On November 21 2012 11:55 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2012 11:51 Keirathi wrote:
On November 21 2012 11:50 Hapahauli wrote:
On November 21 2012 11:49 Keirathi wrote:
On November 21 2012 11:49 Hapahauli wrote:
The more I think about this, the more I like Sandro's line of thinking. Our ideal party leader in this scenario is a skilled player with a very distinguishable town/scum meta. From what I've heard about Sandro's play in the thread so far, it fits the bill rather well.

That was a quick flip-flop read....


Your point is?

It's not like I'm making a read - we're still almost entirely in setup speculation no?

It's just a super weird change of opinion from "You're suspicious for even suggesting that." to "Okay, I actually like that idea, let's do it"


Ok, but again, your point is? Do you disagree with me or something? If so, speak up. Otherwise, these random passive accusations are pointless and stupid.

Why are you getting defensive? There was a very simple reasoning for your change of opinion, which was already obvious; you thought events required some interaction from the players. Once you realized they didn't, you happily changed your mind.

Of course I knew that, but I called you out anyways to see how you would react, and that wasn't the correct way.

My goal is to be narrowing down who I plan to vote as party leader. Yes, I already said I will most likely vote marv, but there are definitely other options. You being one of them. But this exchange pushes you down my list a ways.
My dear friend if I have gone pants on head, you have gone socks on ears!!! -ShiaoPi
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
November 21 2012 03:05 GMT
#315
On November 21 2012 12:02 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2012 11:59 sandroba wrote:
Yes. I have the power of logic on my side. It's very rare these days.


So you're saying that you deduced that scum will know hp by flavor claims, or anything for that matter? Please explain to us idiots.

Who do you think will have more hp chrono or chrono's mom? Pretty sure HP proportions will be in accordance to game flavour.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18290 Posts
November 21 2012 03:07 GMT
#316
On November 21 2012 12:02 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2012 11:59 Acrofales wrote:
On November 21 2012 11:53 kitaman27 wrote:
Something that I just thought of that we may be able to take advantage of later on are name claims. It seems unlikely that there are multiple versions of certain characters running around. For example, if we were to have a likely town character such as Lucca name claim, we could elect her as leader. This however is based on the assumption that the alignment in this game is tied to the alignment of the video game. Until this becomes clear, I wouldn't be confident in trying to abuse the setup like this. Also, we would have to worry about the mafia being given certain fake claims, but this is something that is less of a threat, considering the potential reward.

We also have the option as town to enforce an additional party member selection vote. This limits the power of a single player, but it makes it easier for the mafia to sneak in one of their own in the 3rd of 4th slot. I think I'd rather put faith in the elected leader, to avoid the manipulation, assuming myself or my candidate of choice is elected.

You're really hanging this on the assumption that scum doesn't have safe claims. In general, I hate mass claims, because they break the game AND have a large chance to backfire.


Who said I was suggesting a mass claim? I'm saying we could use a single name claim, only after we identify that the alignments in this game line up with the alignments in the video game. The mafia likely does have safe claims, but if we select a character at random, the odds are in our favor. The rewards certainly outweigh the risks in my opinion.

Oh, I misunderstood. I thought you wanted everybody to claim their name. I still don't like the idea, but I dislike it a bit less now. I see no real point in it. Lets say we get a "Crono" claim. I agree that names are probably unique, but who's to say this isn't a mafia with a safeclaim?

Lets put it this way: assuming mafia has safeclaims, how does a name when selecting a character at random have any added value over just plain selecting a character at random?
goodkarma
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1067 Posts
November 21 2012 03:07 GMT
#317
Stop posting so I can catch up! I'm still on page 13 lol.

But one quick thought as I come up to speed: obvious inexperienced townie >>>>>> than hard-to-read vet. Since voting in a mafia will work against us, this should be a no-brainer. And besides, said townie would have the opinions of the rest of town to go off of to choose their party.


Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
November 21 2012 03:08 GMT
#318
On November 21 2012 11:53 kitaman27 wrote:
Something that I just thought of that we may be able to take advantage of later on are name claims. It seems unlikely that there are multiple versions of certain characters running around. For example, if we were to have a likely town character such as Lucca name claim, we could elect her as leader. This however is based on the assumption that the alignment in this game is tied to the alignment of the video game. Until this becomes clear, I wouldn't be confident in trying to abuse the setup like this. Also, we would have to worry about the mafia being given certain fake claims, but this is something that is less of a threat, considering the potential reward.

We also have the option as town to enforce an additional party member selection vote. This limits the power of a single player, but it makes it easier for the mafia to sneak in one of their own in the 3rd of 4th slot. I think I'd rather put faith in the elected leader, to avoid the manipulation, assuming myself or my candidate of choice is elected.


I think having faith in the electoral system is a good idea. We're more likely to chose one good town player as a whole than four town players individually. Whomever is elected i will support in their choice of team 100%, we as a town gain more (information and, I believe a better chance of mission success) by giving that power to one person.

On November 21 2012 12:02 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2012 11:59 sandroba wrote:
Yes. I have the power of logic on my side. It's very rare these days.


So you're saying that you deduced that scum will know hp by flavor claims, or anything for that matter? Please explain to us idiots.



I actually agree with Clarity here, I don't see how scum could know the HP associated with a name. However I also oppose a name claim currently. I hate mass claims without a reason and I don't see a reason for one right now.
Sand: you haven't learned the rule "never trust GreY"

Kier: would you really vote for Marv? Do you think you have the ability to meta read him well enough to know that he is town? I don't think I could and, unless someone can convince me that he is town or the person he is running against is super scummy I will NOT vote Marv.

Adam, I'd love to hear anything more from you than "I'm a worthwhile player!"
TL Mafia. Love it. Play it. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 I find Kennigit really attractive. If anyone has a picture of him please feel free to PM it to me.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
November 21 2012 03:09 GMT
#319
On November 21 2012 12:04 Keirathi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2012 11:55 Hapahauli wrote:
On November 21 2012 11:51 Keirathi wrote:
On November 21 2012 11:50 Hapahauli wrote:
On November 21 2012 11:49 Keirathi wrote:
On November 21 2012 11:49 Hapahauli wrote:
The more I think about this, the more I like Sandro's line of thinking. Our ideal party leader in this scenario is a skilled player with a very distinguishable town/scum meta. From what I've heard about Sandro's play in the thread so far, it fits the bill rather well.

That was a quick flip-flop read....


Your point is?

It's not like I'm making a read - we're still almost entirely in setup speculation no?

It's just a super weird change of opinion from "You're suspicious for even suggesting that." to "Okay, I actually like that idea, let's do it"


Ok, but again, your point is? Do you disagree with me or something? If so, speak up. Otherwise, these random passive accusations are pointless and stupid.

Why are you getting defensive? There was a very simple reasoning for your change of opinion, which was already obvious; you thought events required some interaction from the players. Once you realized they didn't, you happily changed your mind.

Of course I knew that, but I called you out anyways to see how you would react, and that wasn't the correct way.

My goal is to be narrowing down who I plan to vote as party leader. Yes, I already said I will most likely vote marv, but there are definitely other options. You being one of them. But this exchange pushes you down my list a ways.


Damnit you hurt my feelings - you will not be getting my vote either so THERE!

But why do you want to vote marv? Did you miss the entire discussion over the last few pages? Ideally we want to vote a veteran who is easy to read and we can be clear on his/her motives. Marv is certainly a veteran, but not someone I can read convincingly enough after 1 day of play to be sure of his motives.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
November 21 2012 03:10 GMT
#320
I think hapa is an excellent choice judging by last game (mario mini) since he admitted himself his scum play is fairly weak compared to his town play.
I agree that any claim idea right now is terrible and shouldn't really be discussed.
FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AGAINST STUPIDITY CLARITY, I BELIEVE IN YOU! - Palmar
Prev 1 14 15 16 17 18 384 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 7h 27m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft447
RuFF_SC2 37
StarCraft: Brood War
GuemChi 6022
Artosis 766
Zeus 322
Dota 2
monkeys_forever423
LuMiX0
League of Legends
Doublelift5905
JimRising 577
Counter-Strike
Fnx 1846
Other Games
tarik_tv19521
gofns14258
summit1g13291
Liquid`RaSZi1301
Maynarde105
Organizations
Other Games
BasetradeTV150
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 84
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Other Games
• Scarra1184
Upcoming Events
GSL
7h 27m
Afreeca Starleague
9h 27m
Soma vs Leta
Wardi Open
11h 27m
Monday Night Weeklies
15h 27m
OSC
23h 27m
CranKy Ducklings
1d 9h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 9h
Light vs Flash
Replay Cast
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
The PondCast
3 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
3 days
RSL Revival
4 days
Korean StarCraft League
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
BSL
5 days
GSL
6 days
Cure vs TBD
TBD vs Maru
BSL
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Acropolis #4
KK 2v2 League Season 1
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
SCTL 2026 Spring
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2

Upcoming

YSL S3
Escore Tournament S2: W7
Escore Tournament S2: W8
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
2026 GSL S2
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026: Closed Qualifier
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.