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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
if i'm leader and i choose my strongest 3 townreads, why the fuck do I want people who aren't strong reads on my team? I chose those 3 people for a reason. People will be discussing who should potentially be in any party anyway. No-one is prevented from doing this, so giving them some arbitrary power to choose doesn't add anything. When it comes down to it, you want the 4 people likeliest to be townie in the party. | ||
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Keirathi
United States4679 Posts
On November 21 2012 12:38 Hapahauli wrote: @ Kier No, nonononononnono. No. First of all, marv is really aware of this part of his game and already compensated for it (i.e. "town read" on iamperfection in GSL III). Second of all, don't trust a hypothetical scum marv to include town people on the team. Hell for all we know electing a scum member as the party leader could be an auto-mission fail. We need to vote someone as party leader who we are sure is town. Not rationalize picking a vet because he makes accurate "town reads" as either alignment. That's fucking stupid. You have a point here. We don't actually know what would happen if scum is elected party leader for an event. However, if the consensus is to elect a "vet" as party leader, I trust my ability to read marv correctly more than I trust my ability to read any of syllo/sandro/Toad/whoever correctly. In the event that I feel like marv is giving off scummy vibes, I would be super hesitant to vote to elect any of the other "vets", and would then vote for someone else that I am comfortable reading. | ||
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TheChronicler
Macedonia260 Posts
On November 21 2012 12:44 Oatsmaster wrote: You are really not making sense Chronicler.. So the leader has to crapshoot 3 people that he thinks will pick town players? This just makes it harder to complete the task successfully. Also, as Prome already pointed out, 1 mafia may cause the party to fail and since 3 people are picking 3 other people, it is more likely that they will pick a scum... So... what if the leader is scum and we do it your guys' way? I even said if I'm not elected I want the person elected to use my way of doing it. I think we have better odds if we spread the party choice amongst more people than if we have it rest with a single person. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
It's either because you're a genius, transcended on a plane above any of us mere mortals, or your idea is bad. | ||
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TheChronicler
Macedonia260 Posts
On November 21 2012 12:45 marvellosity wrote: if i'm leader and i choose my strongest 3 townreads, why the fuck do I want people who aren't strong reads on my team? I chose those 3 people for a reason. People will be discussing who should potentially be in any party anyway. No-one is prevented from doing this, so giving them some arbitrary power to choose doesn't add anything. When it comes down to it, you want the 4 people likeliest to be townie in the party. Again, what if the leader is scum.... | ||
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TheChronicler
Macedonia260 Posts
On November 21 2012 12:47 marvellosity wrote: TheChronicler, take a moment, sip a glass of wine, and ponder why every single person who has read your idea has thought it terrible. It's either because you're a genius, transcended on a plane above any of us mere mortals, or your idea is bad. Alright, it's probably just bad. I just wanted to spread it out b/c I don't want to elect a scum person and have them controlling everything. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18055 Posts
On November 21 2012 12:41 TheChronicler wrote: I don't want to be as unaccountable as possible. If you think it's a better idea then why not have it go leader chooses three > three choose 3 others, can't choose themselves. Leader will want to choose people who he has certain reads on, since he will want the event to succeed, and those three will want to choose someone they have a certain read on. We get information from all the choices, and avoid the problem where everyone will just choose themselves. This is just as bad. All you're doing is taking accountability away from yourself and diluting it in such a way that it is impossible to check who is to blaim for a failure. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
what if the leader is scum and we do it your guys' way? That is really not that bad, further along in the game, we can use this information to determine scum.. Scum cant pick all his scum buddies as odds are that some of them are lurky/new and will cause many questions to be asked.. Im really going stop talking about this, its really irritating | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
can't be that hard to make just one or two very likely town reads, no? ^^ | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18055 Posts
On November 21 2012 12:49 marvellosity wrote: then we make sure we don't elect a scum person. can't be that hard to make just one or two very likely town reads, no? ^^ In fact, I already HAVE a likely town read! PS. It's not you. | ||
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Clarity_nl
Netherlands6826 Posts
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On November 21 2012 12:48 TheChronicler wrote: Alright, it's probably just bad. I just wanted to spread it out b/c I don't want to elect a scum person and have them controlling everything. If the leader's scum, we're probably screwed for the mission regardless of what the voting system is. Voting systems in this game seem completely unenforceable. @ Kei On November 21 2012 12:45 Keirathi wrote: You have a point here. We don't actually know what would happen if scum is elected party leader for an event. However, if the consensus is to elect a "vet" as party leader, I trust my ability to read marv correctly more than I trust my ability to read any of syllo/sandro/Toad/whoever correctly. In the event that I feel like marv is giving off scummy vibes, I would be super hesitant to vote to elect any of the other "vets", and would then vote for someone else that I am comfortable reading. I'd like to think I know marv's meta as much as anyone here, but I'm still nowhere near as comfortable as you are reading him on Day 1. He's capable of doing some crazy shenanigans as scum early on. Lastly, I'm a bit surprised you're willing to dismiss voting all those other potential vets without having looked into them. For all we know they could have really transparent metas. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
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iamperfection
United States9643 Posts
Hrm let me think about this for a second??????? hrm who could it possibly me........... Wait a tick fucking me thats who I nominate the perfect one as the leader because he is the best choice. Not only am i town this game i also have a very distinguishable town meta from my scum meta. Also the perfect one is known for his generosity and his fairness i am very active and will be able to keep up with the thread very easily so i will easily take the towns input for selecting my team So vote iamperfection 2012 | ||
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TheChronicler
Macedonia260 Posts
On November 21 2012 12:49 marvellosity wrote: then we make sure we don't elect a scum person. can't be that hard to make just one or two very likely town reads, no? ^^ I figured I'd add in a system that got us as much information as possible. I never expected to be elected since I'm on a smurf, but I really wanted my idea to be used because I think there's a good enough chance we don't get a townie elected (I've lynched enough townies d1 not to be overly confident in my d1 reads) | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18055 Posts
It's not a very useful town read, though, because I don't want to vote for him precisely because his plan was terrible. | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
On November 21 2012 12:53 Clarity_nl wrote: Sharing is caring? Sharing is great when votes are made, It is early in the day and allowing everyone to continue to play without knowledge of each others town reads is probably for the best. No need for scum to get a chance to plant seeds of doubt on our town reads or to keep working on rowing themselves as townies if we have green reads on them right now. You'll know my town read when I am confidant enough in it to place a vote. I'd like to learn Acro's at the same time. | ||
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