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On November 21 2012 13:06 goodkarma wrote:Okay. I'm pretty much caught up. I'd like to address several things. First: Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 12:16 Promethelax wrote:
Clarity, i would agree with you if Hapa's reaction to Kier's questions had been what I expect from a town Hapa but it wasn't. My short list is a little bit shorter. Why would you vote anyone you don't have a town read on?
Goodkarma: have you played any games since our Newbie Mini Misfortune?
Hapa: what kind of player would get your vote? Not Kier, Not Marv...who?
Keir: how many scum does it take to sabotage a mission? My guess is that even a single one will fuck us so a scum Marv would not need to pick any scummers.
Yes. I had much better games after that. I hope there's no hard feelings for that particular game, as I played scum about as terribly as I possibly could clamming up when really saying just about anything would have prevented my early lynch. My other two games: In NMM XXIV: The hero that saved the town from a 5-3 MYLO to win the game. In LVII: Mafia suicide bomber. Could have played better but mafia got the win anyway. Rockband mini: I replaced out day one as scum. Never actually checked to see how it ended. Who I would nominate (if not myself):As of right now, my support for a party leader (besides myself) would be sandroba. Sandroba seems to be adopting a solid strategy at present. I wholeheartedly agree with going with the most townie individuals, even if they are inexperienced. We don't know how the minigames are going to work yet, but we do know with 100% certainty that scum will count against their success. In a game where we don't lynch, all we can do is establish who is actually town. It is absolutely ridiculous to nominate people who have both strong scum and town games and are hard to read day one (thinking of Marv). I also completely agree with the suggestion that's been brought up that parties be suggested by those who are hoping to be nominated up-front. This is especially important if we are to nominate a townie who isn't as experienced. Goodkarma for President:As your leader, I will do my best to further the policy of choosing the most obvious townies as detailed above. Along those lines, I would elect to choose both sandroba and promethelax for my party. The third is still tentative, as the game has only been going for a short time.
Why would you suggest prom he plays very good regardless of alignment from what i remember.
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On November 21 2012 13:17 Hapahauli wrote:
@ iamp
Welcome! As distinguishable as you are, that's not the only thing we're looking for in a party leader. I'd prefer someone with a very strong track-record of accurate D1 town reads. You're definitely someone that can be read early and be a party candidate though.
knew you would have my back broski
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On November 21 2012 13:16 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 13:13 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 21 2012 13:05 iamperfection wrote:
also why do we have to have the leader select all 3 wouldn't it be best for the town to put some input on the other team members? That was my original train of thought. But should the decision become the leader's, that puts a TON of pressure on him (if he is very transparent in his thoughts), and helps consolidate our read on said leader. But if we put up our strongest townread, doesn't that defeat the purpose? I think we should play more to our wincon when it comes to missions and just scumhunt like it's a regular game.
I didn't say we should put up our strongest town read. I'm saying we should put up a strong player who is easier to pin down as town/scum.
That way it's almost guaranteed that scum don't win the first event, at least. If scum wins, it's much more likely this happened because this strong player is scum and picked some of his scumbuddies than this same strong player sucks at making town reads. Make sense?
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It would make sense if it wasn't actively against town wincon. We want mafia dead, sure, but we want lavos dead more.
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On November 21 2012 13:11 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 13:06 goodkarma wrote:
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Goodkarma for President:
As your leader, I will do my best to further the policy of choosing the most obvious townies as detailed above. Along those lines, I would elect to choose both sandroba and promethelax for my party. The third is still tentative, as the game has only been going for a short time. Why are you pre-determining who to include in your party right now? Certainly you couldn't have THAT strong of a town read on the both of them.
Obviously, said party members could change. In a normal game, we discuss in detail our strong scum reads to pressure and determine who to lynch. This mechanic simply does not exist this game. Determining who is town is far more important than determining who is scum when selecting parties. I'm nominating those I currently have a town read on who I feel would contribute best to success for the minigame or whatever other thing it is our host has planned for us.
And why now?: I would rather have an idea who it is that's going to be coming along upfront, wouldn't you?
Think of them as my three vice presidential nominees.
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On November 21 2012 13:17 Hapahauli wrote:@ KeiShow nested quote +You're right, he is capable of pulling off big plays as scum, even day 1. But it's not like I'm giving him a town read already, nor do I plan to vote him until I do. I'm paranoid as fuck when it comes to him, but again, I'm much more confident in my ability to read him than I am any of the other vets, purely because I am extremely familiar with how marv thinks and acts. Err... but you said... Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 12:14 Keirathi wrote:
--Quote Pyramid Omitted--
I said I would vote marv, barring a scummy vibe from him. And, yes, I feel I have a decent grasp of when marv is acting scummy. The key is, though, that I thoroughly trust marv's ability to make town reads. In the event that he is scum, though, even a scum marv can't afford to pick other scum without some damn good reasoning that they are town, which I believe could be seen through. Do explain good sir.
What is there to explain? Both of those things you bolded say the exact same thing :o
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On November 21 2012 13:21 Clarity_nl wrote:
It would make sense if it wasn't actively against town wincon. We want mafia dead, sure, but we want lavos dead more.
Lavos appears at a predetermined time we can't control
OR
when all mafia are dead. We want mafia dead.
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Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
vote for me! 
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On November 21 2012 13:17 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 13:06 goodkarma wrote:Okay. I'm pretty much caught up. I'd like to address several things. First: On November 21 2012 12:16 Promethelax wrote:
Clarity, i would agree with you if Hapa's reaction to Kier's questions had been what I expect from a town Hapa but it wasn't. My short list is a little bit shorter. Why would you vote anyone you don't have a town read on?
Goodkarma: have you played any games since our Newbie Mini Misfortune?
Hapa: what kind of player would get your vote? Not Kier, Not Marv...who?
Keir: how many scum does it take to sabotage a mission? My guess is that even a single one will fuck us so a scum Marv would not need to pick any scummers.
Yes. I had much better games after that. I hope there's no hard feelings for that particular game, as I played scum about as terribly as I possibly could clamming up when really saying just about anything would have prevented my early lynch. My other two games: In NMM XXIV: The hero that saved the town from a 5-3 MYLO to win the game. In LVII: Mafia suicide bomber. Could have played better but mafia got the win anyway. Rockband mini: I replaced out day one as scum. Never actually checked to see how it ended. Who I would nominate (if not myself):As of right now, my support for a party leader (besides myself) would be sandroba. Sandroba seems to be adopting a solid strategy at present. I wholeheartedly agree with going with the most townie individuals, even if they are inexperienced. We don't know how the minigames are going to work yet, but we do know with 100% certainty that scum will count against their success. In a game where we don't lynch, all we can do is establish who is actually town. It is absolutely ridiculous to nominate people who have both strong scum and town games and are hard to read day one (thinking of Marv). I also completely agree with the suggestion that's been brought up that parties be suggested by those who are hoping to be nominated up-front. This is especially important if we are to nominate a townie who isn't as experienced. Goodkarma for President:As your leader, I will do my best to further the policy of choosing the most obvious townies as detailed above. Along those lines, I would elect to choose both sandroba and promethelax for my party. The third is still tentative, as the game has only been going for a short time. Why would you suggest prom he plays very good regardless of alignment from what i remember.
I must admit that I haven't seen Prox's play since my newbie days. This is based far more on what I've seen in-game than from any "meta-read." I'm open to hearing any case you might have on his scumminess, but right now I see him as a town read.
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On November 21 2012 13:22 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 13:17 Hapahauli wrote:@ KeiYou're right, he is capable of pulling off big plays as scum, even day 1. But it's not like I'm giving him a town read already, nor do I plan to vote him until I do. I'm paranoid as fuck when it comes to him, but again, I'm much more confident in my ability to read him than I am any of the other vets, purely because I am extremely familiar with how marv thinks and acts. Err... but you said... On November 21 2012 12:14 Keirathi wrote:
--Quote Pyramid Omitted--
I said I would vote marv, barring a scummy vibe from him. And, yes, I feel I have a decent grasp of when marv is acting scummy. The key is, though, that I thoroughly trust marv's ability to make town reads. In the event that he is scum, though, even a scum marv can't afford to pick other scum without some damn good reasoning that they are town, which I believe could be seen through. Do explain good sir. What is there to explain? Both of those things you bolded say the exact same thing :o
1) "I'm not going to vote marv unless I have a town read on him."
2) "I'm going to vote someone unless he's giving me a 'scummy vibe.'"
Those two statements mean very different things. The first expresses reservation - that you're not going to vote someone UNLESS you have a town read on them. The second expresses no hesitancy - that you're vote is determined unless marv shows you otherwise.
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On November 21 2012 13:24 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 13:21 Clarity_nl wrote:
It would make sense if it wasn't actively against town wincon. We want mafia dead, sure, but we want lavos dead more. Lavos appears at a predetermined time we can't control OR when all mafia are dead. We want mafia dead.
I stand corrected. Still I don't believe using who we elect as a way to scumhunt is the proper way to go about things. We don't know what happens if we fail a mission.
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Oh-oh Kei. That's not something you just go ahead and say to sir. Hapa the interpretator. That guy is such a proser.
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On November 21 2012 13:24 Z-BosoN wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 13:21 Clarity_nl wrote:
It would make sense if it wasn't actively against town wincon. We want mafia dead, sure, but we want lavos dead more. Lavos appears at a predetermined time we can't control OR when all mafia are dead. We want mafia dead.
I only saw the town win con as
Town: Defeat Lavos.
So yeah..
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On November 21 2012 13:22 Keirathi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 13:17 Hapahauli wrote:@ KeiYou're right, he is capable of pulling off big plays as scum, even day 1. But it's not like I'm giving him a town read already, nor do I plan to vote him until I do. I'm paranoid as fuck when it comes to him, but again, I'm much more confident in my ability to read him than I am any of the other vets, purely because I am extremely familiar with how marv thinks and acts. Err... but you said... On November 21 2012 12:14 Keirathi wrote:
--Quote Pyramid Omitted--
I said I would vote marv, barring a scummy vibe from him. And, yes, I feel I have a decent grasp of when marv is acting scummy. The key is, though, that I thoroughly trust marv's ability to make town reads. In the event that he is scum, though, even a scum marv can't afford to pick other scum without some damn good reasoning that they are town, which I believe could be seen through. Do explain good sir. What is there to explain? Both of those things you bolded say the exact same thing :o
i wouldnt say the are the same thing i would say they are diffrent things that dont require in explantion
1. Wont give him a town read untill i think he is town
2. Would give marv your vote if you think he is town.
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On November 21 2012 13:26 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2012 13:24 Z-BosoN wrote:On November 21 2012 13:21 Clarity_nl wrote:
It would make sense if it wasn't actively against town wincon. We want mafia dead, sure, but we want lavos dead more. Lavos appears at a predetermined time we can't control OR when all mafia are dead. We want mafia dead. I only saw the town win con as So yeah..
No, zbo is right.
Lavos will spawn at a predetermined time in the game. If all mafia die, Lavos will be summoned immediately.
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Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
I'm friendly and wise, so really there is no reason NOT to vote for me :D
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On November 21 2012 13:27 Dienosore wrote:
I'm friendly and wise, so really there is no reason NOT to vote for me :D
oh yeah?
Who the fuck are you?
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On November 21 2012 13:27 Dienosore wrote:
I'm friendly and wise, so really there is no reason NOT to vote for me :D
No, you don't get to come in here all nice guy and shit. What do you think of what has happened so far? Reads? Thoughts on who should be party leader?
Tip: it's not you.
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@ GK
Ah that makes sense. I'm still don't care for such early D1 town reads, but that's just my own attitude and nothing to hold you accountable for.
@ Z-Bo
On November 21 2012 13:25 Z-BosoN wrote:
Oh-oh Kei. That's not something you just go ahead and say to sir. Hapa the interpretator. That guy is such a proser.
Ok ok I know I super-tunneled you that one game based on stupid wordings and such, but this one seems a lot more clear-cut no? Like those two statements do not mean the same thing at all.
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Stop sniping me iamp, I saw him first.
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