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On November 03 2012 11:20 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 11:18 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On November 03 2012 11:13 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 03 2012 11:12 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On November 03 2012 11:11 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 03 2012 11:10 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On November 03 2012 11:09 debears wrote:On November 03 2012 11:04 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Debears you seem really paranoid. On November 03 2012 10:42 debears wrote: Yeah i am. He calls me a liarin red and then peaces out without wanting to hear my thoughts. Aint that scummy? Considering how active he was around lynch time last game, which was only an hour before this He didn't call you, Debears the person, a liar. You're taking Alsn's nit-pick of a post awfully personally. The quick, useless FoS is also the same exact tactic you used last game. Old hat, Debears, old hat. 1) i don't wear a hat2) i rescind my argument. The red text threw me off Scumtell. Howso? Mafia usually wear hats. He's so adamant that he most certainly does NOT wear a hat. Therefore, scumtell. I thought you were gonna come out with some kind of awesome flavor theory. Dissapointed. On others I'd point your joking attitude out as scum but I mean, you're Mr Cheesecake. Anyone stand out to you so far? I didn't joke at all last game, apart from a few trollish posts at the end hehe. I just think Debears is playing his scumgame from the last game right to the T. Aggressive opener, meaningless FoS. He also explicitly mentions that he's town and is being called a liar (someone saying you lied =/= being a liar). No. That's wrong. Saying you lied means you are lying. If you are lying, you are a liar. Odd that you are saying that
Being a liar means you chronically lie. Someone saying you may be lying doesn't mean they think you are a liar as a person. Anyway, arguing about this is pointless.
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On November 03 2012 11:17 Obzy wrote:@debears - Your reaction really does seem out of place, when I'm rereading. I've been refreshing constantly, trying to read everything and make a useful post, but nothing really seemed like it would contribute to a discussion, and I don't want to have pointless posts for the sake of "being active". Contributing, not spamming. Upon looking at it that way, your posts and being interested in Alsn's word choice is surprisingly defensive. Given that there wasn't really any way for other players to pop their heads in and comment without semi-defusing the situation saying "it wasn't that big of a deal", why hold onto it? Quite specifically, Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 10:35 debears wrote: Anyways what's your guys thoughts on alsns post? - why ask something like that? I didn't really think it worth paying any mind to, but you kept going on it. (And now, just above, you're asking djo why he didn't get involved in your argument - I didn't want to get involved either, it seemed largely purposeless.) jesus i type this post, read for spelling mistakes, reopen a new browser to make sure i'm not missing some sort of new information and fucking blammo like 5 posts
I wanted people to comment on the alsn post to move off lurker discussion.
And yeah its weird that you dont want to comment on an argument. If I'm wrong, tell me why. I'm a sensible person.. i usually listen to points, especially good points, unless i clearly think you are mafia
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On November 03 2012 11:12 Rad wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 11:04 Djodref wrote: @ Rad
That's my problem with a lurker policy this game, I think that it can be used only against daoud or Obzy (maybe sylverfire). I think it would be much better to call directly these players for lurking rather agreeing on a policy which could be a perfect excuse for the mafia to push a mislynch on them, assuming that they are town. It's a small game and if you have a problem with the activity level of anyone, you can call them on it, no need for a policy. @Djo If no one lurks, the lurker policy has done its job. That's all it's there to do, stop people from lurking. Nothing more, nothing less. Let's move on shall we?
The policy prevents mafia players from lurking but it doesn't stop anyone from being inactive. And the policy is the best excuse ever for mafia to lynch an inactive town player with IRL issues. This game is full of active players and small enough to call directly a player on active lurking, blending in or pure lurking. I don't think we need the policy and I'm going to get very suspicious on players lynching according to the policy only.
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On November 03 2012 11:21 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 11:18 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On November 03 2012 11:13 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 03 2012 11:12 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On November 03 2012 11:11 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 03 2012 11:10 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On November 03 2012 11:09 debears wrote:On November 03 2012 11:04 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Debears you seem really paranoid. On November 03 2012 10:42 debears wrote: Yeah i am. He calls me a liarin red and then peaces out without wanting to hear my thoughts. Aint that scummy? Considering how active he was around lynch time last game, which was only an hour before this He didn't call you, Debears the person, a liar. You're taking Alsn's nit-pick of a post awfully personally. The quick, useless FoS is also the same exact tactic you used last game. Old hat, Debears, old hat. 1) i don't wear a hat2) i rescind my argument. The red text threw me off Scumtell. Howso? Mafia usually wear hats. He's so adamant that he most certainly does NOT wear a hat. Therefore, scumtell. I thought you were gonna come out with some kind of awesome flavor theory. Dissapointed. On others I'd point your joking attitude out as scum but I mean, you're Mr Cheesecake. Anyone stand out to you so far? I didn't joke at all last game, apart from a few trollish posts at the end hehe. I just think Debears is playing his scumgame from the last game right to the T. Aggressive opener, meaningless FoS. He also explicitly mentions that he's town and is being called a liar (someone saying you lied =/= being a liar). It's cause I read your Mafia QT I guess, you're right, in the thread itself you were super serious. So why the change of tone? XXIX is my first mafia game on TL, so it's my first encounter with debears. Maybe debears opens like this in every mafia game regardless? I'll go dig around. Feel free to comment debears.
Because being serious all the time ain't so fun. My name is Mr. Cheesecake. I figure I can get my point across without all the fancy syntax and diction.
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On November 03 2012 10:20 Alsn wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 10:04 debears wrote: If I'm not here for lynch, its irl conflicts 99% of the time. Don't pull an Alsn I like it how you say 99% of the time, yet I know from reading XXIX's scum QT that you were away on purpose for the last lynch. I also bet you haven't yet participated in anywhere near 100 lynches, so technically that's a lie. Although, I probably should have paid more attention to what you actually voted for that game as opposed to whether or not you were actually around so I'll let that one slide. I'm Alsn, I'll be around for flip-time generally, but they happen at 1 am local time so don't expect me to stick around for too long afterwards. Prior games include XXV( VT), XXVIII( VT) and XXIX also as VT. And yea, if given the choice between weak scum reads and hardcore lurkers, I'll hunt down and feed the hardcore lurker gone off cheesecake first chance I get. That being said, I'm off to lurk(also known as sleep, for those of you concerned with base things such as human metabolic function).
@Alsn
Don't make the "lie" too big of a deal. People throw out random percentages all the time. Also, using red there was a bit over-dramatic, don't you think?
@debears
I don't see much of a good reason to push him on this issue anymore. TBH I was a bit frustrated with you not showing up at night 1 to help talk me down from shooting kush, but then again, if you were there, you might have pushed me into it (like dandel did) ^^ I get a sense of that same frustration from alsn right now, whether it's contrived or real. Because in the end, 99% is a straight up wrong statistic, and it's best if you don't use completely bs stats in trying to prove a point.
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On November 03 2012 11:21 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 11:18 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On November 03 2012 11:13 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 03 2012 11:12 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On November 03 2012 11:11 Clarity_nl wrote:On November 03 2012 11:10 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On November 03 2012 11:09 debears wrote:On November 03 2012 11:04 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Debears you seem really paranoid. On November 03 2012 10:42 debears wrote: Yeah i am. He calls me a liarin red and then peaces out without wanting to hear my thoughts. Aint that scummy? Considering how active he was around lynch time last game, which was only an hour before this He didn't call you, Debears the person, a liar. You're taking Alsn's nit-pick of a post awfully personally. The quick, useless FoS is also the same exact tactic you used last game. Old hat, Debears, old hat. 1) i don't wear a hat2) i rescind my argument. The red text threw me off Scumtell. Howso? Mafia usually wear hats. He's so adamant that he most certainly does NOT wear a hat. Therefore, scumtell. I thought you were gonna come out with some kind of awesome flavor theory. Dissapointed. On others I'd point your joking attitude out as scum but I mean, you're Mr Cheesecake. Anyone stand out to you so far? I didn't joke at all last game, apart from a few trollish posts at the end hehe. I just think Debears is playing his scumgame from the last game right to the T. Aggressive opener, meaningless FoS. He also explicitly mentions that he's town and is being called a liar (someone saying you lied =/= being a liar). It's cause I read your Mafia QT I guess, you're right, in the thread itself you were super serious. So why the change of tone? XXIX is my first mafia game on TL, so it's my first encounter with debears. Maybe debears opens like this in every mafia game regardless? I'll go dig around. Feel free to comment debears.
Look at the last page of last game. I said that i am specifically trying to be more aggressive as either alignment. Aggressiveness makes the game more fun imo. Also, i can ask the questions i want and get more immediate responses if i have good presence
My aggressiveness, in other words, is a null tell. My reasoning is alignment indicative though (as shown by last game)
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On November 03 2012 10:11 Clarity_nl wrote: Hopefully we won't have to deal with lurkers altogether, but yes. A roco or inig lynch instead of a daoud lynch would've been much better for us. So yeah, information is good which means we want people talking which means policy lynch on lurkers is a good thing unless we have an exceptional read on someone. But I wouldn't enforce any policy other than that.
I will be here and active before every lynch.
@ Clarity
What other policies did you have in mind ?
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On November 03 2012 11:27 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 10:11 Clarity_nl wrote: Hopefully we won't have to deal with lurkers altogether, but yes. A roco or inig lynch instead of a daoud lynch would've been much better for us. So yeah, information is good which means we want people talking which means policy lynch on lurkers is a good thing unless we have an exceptional read on someone. But I wouldn't enforce any policy other than that.
I will be here and active before every lynch. @ ClarityWhat other policies did you have in mind ?
None, that's my point. But there are a lot of policies that I've seen people try to push day 1, like lynch all liars. I don't think it's the way to go.
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On November 03 2012 11:26 Rad wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 10:20 Alsn wrote:On November 03 2012 10:04 debears wrote: If I'm not here for lynch, its irl conflicts 99% of the time. Don't pull an Alsn I like it how you say 99% of the time, yet I know from reading XXIX's scum QT that you were away on purpose for the last lynch. I also bet you haven't yet participated in anywhere near 100 lynches, so technically that's a lie. Although, I probably should have paid more attention to what you actually voted for that game as opposed to whether or not you were actually around so I'll let that one slide. I'm Alsn, I'll be around for flip-time generally, but they happen at 1 am local time so don't expect me to stick around for too long afterwards. Prior games include XXV( VT), XXVIII( VT) and XXIX also as VT. And yea, if given the choice between weak scum reads and hardcore lurkers, I'll hunt down and feed the hardcore lurker gone off cheesecake first chance I get. That being said, I'm off to lurk(also known as sleep, for those of you concerned with base things such as human metabolic function). @Alsn Don't make the "lie" too big of a deal. People throw out random percentages all the time. Also, using red there was a bit over-dramatic, don't you think? @debears I don't see much of a good reason to push him on this issue anymore. TBH I was a bit frustrated with you not showing up at night 1 to help talk me down from shooting kush, but then again, if you were there, you might have pushed me into it (like dandel did) ^^ I get a sense of that same frustration from alsn right now, whether it's contrived or real. Because in the end, 99% is a straight up wrong statistic, and it's best if you don't use completely bs stats in trying to prove a point.
Yeah i know I'm not pressing him anymore on it. Besides he's afk
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On November 03 2012 11:24 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 11:12 Rad wrote:On November 03 2012 11:04 Djodref wrote: @ Rad
That's my problem with a lurker policy this game, I think that it can be used only against daoud or Obzy (maybe sylverfire). I think it would be much better to call directly these players for lurking rather agreeing on a policy which could be a perfect excuse for the mafia to push a mislynch on them, assuming that they are town. It's a small game and if you have a problem with the activity level of anyone, you can call them on it, no need for a policy. @Djo If no one lurks, the lurker policy has done its job. That's all it's there to do, stop people from lurking. Nothing more, nothing less. Let's move on shall we? The policy prevents mafia players from lurking but it doesn't stop anyone from being inactive. And the policy is the best excuse ever for mafia to lynch an inactive town player with IRL issues. This game is full of active players and small enough to call directly a player on active lurking, blending in or pure lurking. I don't think we need the policy and I'm going to get very suspicious on players lynching according to the policy only.
You're over-thinking this.
KISS - keep it simple stupid
Let's lynch lurkers so we can guarantee only active players and increase our chance to get good reads. Also, let's move on from this debate as it's cluttering up the thread.
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Nobody really lynches on a policy. Everything should be played by ear; making a decision based on current information (whether that information is scumread, lurkers, liars, w.e). I don't think people are sitting around with a checklist going "hmm, does he fit the POLICY? He does?! Lynch!"
Policies are just a basis for thinking. They shouldn't be committal.
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From this post onward, nobody is allowed to discuss policy lynching.
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On November 03 2012 11:34 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: From this post onward, nobody is allowed to discuss policy lynching.
Agreed. Djo and rad
Why are you two policy jerking each other?
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Ebwop
More specifically to djo
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On November 03 2012 11:35 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 11:34 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: From this post onward, nobody is allowed to discuss policy lynching. Agreed. Djo and rad Why are you two policy jerking each other?
You obviously don't understand the flavor of this thread.
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On November 03 2012 11:36 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 11:35 debears wrote:On November 03 2012 11:34 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: From this post onward, nobody is allowed to discuss policy lynching. Agreed. Djo and rad Why are you two policy jerking each other? You obviously don't understand the flavor of this thread.
I suppose you are right lol
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@ Rad
I think I'm making a good point and I'm feeling like you are trying to shush me. But I would agree that it's not good to spend to much time discussing it too much. What else do you want to talk about ?
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Btw to all obs
I will attempt to reach the fabled 30 pg filter
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@djo
Not sure, something useful
I'm sure debears will think of something if he's shooting for a filter size that only you could possibly achieve.
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On November 03 2012 11:38 Djodref wrote: @ Rad
I think I'm making a good point and I'm feeling like you are trying to shush me. But I would agree that it's not good to spend to much time discussing it too much. What else do you want to talk about ?
I want to talk about you and your concentration on policy that is unwarranted. Furthermore you seem like you really don't want to address me
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