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That was a terrible episode and thank god SOTG is back O_o. The debate if you can even call it that was a mess and respect for Painuser for staying calm and respectful.
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On October 25 2012 01:35 Mackus wrote:
The people are forwarding that on to /r/ShitRedditsays and asking them to contact EG's sponsors are absolute assholes btw - Another reason why SC2Reddit is just a rash to the game
Thats like saying the people on r/atheism are the same as the people on r/christian. Even without reddit I highly doubt the people on srs wouldn't still contact sponsors about things like this.Also a lot of the SC2reddit forums hates srs too because of what they do with sponsors.
This show was absolutely pathetic from idra/incontrol/djwheat while destiny at least apologized.
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On October 24 2012 15:49 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 15:47 MaestroSC wrote:On October 24 2012 15:42 iNcontroL wrote:
I CAN'T BELIEVE DJWHEAT YELLED ON THE S HOW! I LOST RFESPECT FOR HIMS
Who the FUCK calls themselves a Djwheat fan but is upset by him yelling? That's like loving truly refined and calm debate but being an avid fan of CNN/Fox arguments. What the fuck? lol Djwheat didnt just yell.... he stood out of his chair and screamed that another grown man was a pussy and a bitch and a coward... and claims to be a mature adult... rewatch the rant he goes on. noone would give a shit if he yelled "OMG I LOVE HORSES. THEY ARE AWSOME SOUL-LESS CREATURES" Yup. He yelled at a guy that rage quitted a show he asked to be on and was conversing on. And you want to get upset because he yelled? Ok.. back to /r/destiny with you!
It didnt look it was Destiny that was raging in the VOD, more like you and dhwheat losing it.
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On October 25 2012 01:48 IcariumJhag wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 15:49 iNcontroL wrote:On October 24 2012 15:47 MaestroSC wrote:On October 24 2012 15:42 iNcontroL wrote:
I CAN'T BELIEVE DJWHEAT YELLED ON THE S HOW! I LOST RFESPECT FOR HIMS
Who the FUCK calls themselves a Djwheat fan but is upset by him yelling? That's like loving truly refined and calm debate but being an avid fan of CNN/Fox arguments. What the fuck? lol Djwheat didnt just yell.... he stood out of his chair and screamed that another grown man was a pussy and a bitch and a coward... and claims to be a mature adult... rewatch the rant he goes on. noone would give a shit if he yelled "OMG I LOVE HORSES. THEY ARE AWSOME SOUL-LESS CREATURES" Yup. He yelled at a guy that rage quitted a show he asked to be on and was conversing on. And you want to get upset because he yelled? Ok.. back to /r/destiny with you! It didnt look it was Destiny that was raging in the VOD, more like you and dhwheat losing it.
Destiny was pretty rude and raging. I liked the part when he wouldn't let Wheat talk about Blizzard and their lan client. Franking, I can't blame the hosts, I would have screamed at Destiny too.
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On October 25 2012 01:48 IcariumJhag wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 15:49 iNcontroL wrote:On October 24 2012 15:47 MaestroSC wrote:On October 24 2012 15:42 iNcontroL wrote:
I CAN'T BELIEVE DJWHEAT YELLED ON THE S HOW! I LOST RFESPECT FOR HIMS
Who the FUCK calls themselves a Djwheat fan but is upset by him yelling? That's like loving truly refined and calm debate but being an avid fan of CNN/Fox arguments. What the fuck? lol Djwheat didnt just yell.... he stood out of his chair and screamed that another grown man was a pussy and a bitch and a coward... and claims to be a mature adult... rewatch the rant he goes on. noone would give a shit if he yelled "OMG I LOVE HORSES. THEY ARE AWSOME SOUL-LESS CREATURES" Yup. He yelled at a guy that rage quitted a show he asked to be on and was conversing on. And you want to get upset because he yelled? Ok.. back to /r/destiny with you! It didnt look it was Destiny that was raging in the VOD, more like you and dhwheat losing it.
It didn't look like destiny was raging ? Are you kidding me ? Literally just after he said sup guys he started to yell at people who were telling him he was right. I'd be losing it too if a guy like this came on my show just to ragequit it with an insult.
But oh well destiny apologized so he's the all knowing god of sc2 again.
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On October 25 2012 01:52 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 01:48 IcariumJhag wrote:On October 24 2012 15:49 iNcontroL wrote:On October 24 2012 15:47 MaestroSC wrote:On October 24 2012 15:42 iNcontroL wrote:
I CAN'T BELIEVE DJWHEAT YELLED ON THE S HOW! I LOST RFESPECT FOR HIMS
Who the FUCK calls themselves a Djwheat fan but is upset by him yelling? That's like loving truly refined and calm debate but being an avid fan of CNN/Fox arguments. What the fuck? lol Djwheat didnt just yell.... he stood out of his chair and screamed that another grown man was a pussy and a bitch and a coward... and claims to be a mature adult... rewatch the rant he goes on. noone would give a shit if he yelled "OMG I LOVE HORSES. THEY ARE AWSOME SOUL-LESS CREATURES" Yup. He yelled at a guy that rage quitted a show he asked to be on and was conversing on. And you want to get upset because he yelled? Ok.. back to /r/destiny with you! It didnt look it was Destiny that was raging in the VOD, more like you and dhwheat losing it. Destiny was pretty rude and raging. I liked the part when he wouldn't let Wheat talk about Blizzard and their lan client. Franking, I can't blame the hosts, I would have screamed at Destiny too.
Of course Blizzard has a lan client... I am pretty sure it is easy to make one, but the question is why isn't it being used in their own tournaments?
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On October 25 2012 01:55 Urasim wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 01:52 Plansix wrote:On October 25 2012 01:48 IcariumJhag wrote:On October 24 2012 15:49 iNcontroL wrote:On October 24 2012 15:47 MaestroSC wrote:On October 24 2012 15:42 iNcontroL wrote:
I CAN'T BELIEVE DJWHEAT YELLED ON THE S HOW! I LOST RFESPECT FOR HIMS
Who the FUCK calls themselves a Djwheat fan but is upset by him yelling? That's like loving truly refined and calm debate but being an avid fan of CNN/Fox arguments. What the fuck? lol Djwheat didnt just yell.... he stood out of his chair and screamed that another grown man was a pussy and a bitch and a coward... and claims to be a mature adult... rewatch the rant he goes on. noone would give a shit if he yelled "OMG I LOVE HORSES. THEY ARE AWSOME SOUL-LESS CREATURES" Yup. He yelled at a guy that rage quitted a show he asked to be on and was conversing on. And you want to get upset because he yelled? Ok.. back to /r/destiny with you! It didnt look it was Destiny that was raging in the VOD, more like you and dhwheat losing it. Destiny was pretty rude and raging. I liked the part when he wouldn't let Wheat talk about Blizzard and their lan client. Franking, I can't blame the hosts, I would have screamed at Destiny too. Of course Blizzard has a lan client... I am pretty sure it is easy to make one, but the question is why isn't it being used in their own tournaments?
Blizzard does not run its own events, so that is the reason. According to Wheat, they have offered it to events, but that event must pay for an armed guard 24 hours a day. Also, I am sure there is some sort of liability clause in accepting the lan client as well.
To be honest, there could have been games played on the lan client at major events and we never knew.
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The drama is just a distraction from the real problem. This game needs Blizzard to step up, and the community needs to find a way to spur a bigger commitment from them rather than bickering amongst themselves. Trying to make this work in any meaningful way without Blizzard taking some steps on their end is like a fat person buying diet soda at the grocery store to go along with their cheetohs and ice cream.
The scary thing about this is that these major, prominent figures in the community seem to want to keep things as stable as possible and ride it out as long as possible rather than rocking the boat and really trying to improve the situation. Simply existing without change on Blizzard's end isn't a viable option and people with influence need to stop pretending it will be.
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Austria24416 Posts
I was pretty disappointed with everybody except Painuser. This is a topic that deserves to be discussed rationally. What's not gonna help? Incontrol bashing Destiny for 15 minutes in public, yet basically behind his back. Of course the guy will want to defend himself and his arguments.
I'm usually very supportive of any kind of debate we have because it shows that the people participating are passionate about the game and they want to make it the best it can possibly be - as do Incontrol, Idra, Destiny, Wheat and everybody else "this community lost respect for!!!111", at least I'd assume so.
I will however say that I was really disappointed by how it all went down and I continue to be disappointed by people who won't realize that they fucked up and at least apologize.
We're people, we fuck up sometimes. But what deserves respect is realizing when we make mistakes and trying to fix them.
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On October 25 2012 01:48 IcariumJhag wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 15:49 iNcontroL wrote:On October 24 2012 15:47 MaestroSC wrote:On October 24 2012 15:42 iNcontroL wrote:
I CAN'T BELIEVE DJWHEAT YELLED ON THE S HOW! I LOST RFESPECT FOR HIMS
Who the FUCK calls themselves a Djwheat fan but is upset by him yelling? That's like loving truly refined and calm debate but being an avid fan of CNN/Fox arguments. What the fuck? lol Djwheat didnt just yell.... he stood out of his chair and screamed that another grown man was a pussy and a bitch and a coward... and claims to be a mature adult... rewatch the rant he goes on. noone would give a shit if he yelled "OMG I LOVE HORSES. THEY ARE AWSOME SOUL-LESS CREATURES" Yup. He yelled at a guy that rage quitted a show he asked to be on and was conversing on. And you want to get upset because he yelled? Ok.. back to /r/destiny with you! It didnt look it was Destiny that was raging in the VOD, more like you and dhwheat losing it.
DjWheat sure did rant, but I was right with him, what Destiny does is idiotic. He even said live on the show that he thinks that SC2 is not savable - then why make the threads? It's obviously not because he enjoys the game, he basically was taking a dump on it on the show as well ("SC2 only successful because it is named Starcraft", denying that SC2 was spearheading the whole streaming industry). So, if he didn't make the threads to help Starcraft, then the only purpose those threads create is to generate panic. I think he is intended on switching to LoL, and burning the bridges behind him, so that as many people as possible follow him.
Wheat screamed, but that is his style, and it happened only after Destiny said those lines about all Koreans leaving and Idra winning tournaments etc. When a guest that asked to express his opinion comes on the show, and then talks over the hosts (he interrupted Painuser multiple times, who actually was the only one really level-headed that night, so he didn't just yell back) and insults them, calling that guy out is the only right thing to do, and being emotional about it is just how Wheat rolls.
I expect Destiny to make an overdramatic post in the next days, announcing how he switches to LoL full time because "SC2 is dead". That's what he has been working for.
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On October 25 2012 01:31 Lazarusnpx wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 01:11 colossusFTW wrote:On October 25 2012 01:07 Golbat wrote:On October 25 2012 00:43 colossusFTW wrote:On October 25 2012 00:36 vultdylan wrote:On October 25 2012 00:31 colossusFTW wrote:On October 25 2012 00:27 xzidez wrote:
I hate to admit it but destiny is right. Don't you remember the shitstorm that spread through internet like a wildfire when blizzard announced that you had to use real name on the official forums after BNet 2.0 release ?
Its not that blizzard doesn't care. Its that they care even more about the actual $$ they get on the game.. and this crap is the worst PR nightmare they can possible get. There is no way they can avoid it now, similar to when they said you were supposed to use your real name.
If we people would just have sucked it up like idra and incontrol is suggesting and doing "what we can" instead of getting all mental over the forums.. we would have been forced to use real names.. And guess what? We don't..,. EXACTLY what the fuck can we do!!?? rhetorical question we can not do jack shit as a community with out blizzard what is the community going to get together in a huge circle jerk and hack blizzard so we can implement the changes we want? the problems ly with blizzard so idra and incontrols point that we as a community can only do what we do is fucking ridiculous we cant do shit about blizzard being fucked only blizzard can. They weren't trying to say that the community can influence what Blizzard is doing, they even said it. They said there is no use trying to coerce Blizzard into changing the game because even after two years of trying to do that, they have had enough of the lack of response on Blizzard's end. It is what the community can do to increase the quality of production of things like tournaments and leagues to increase interest in e-sports that they want to work for. They know they can't change the game that Blizzard makes, but rather the way the public views it and how competition is put out there. BTW clean up your vocabulary. I have seen you on other threads, and it is rather immature. And it doesn't help your case. But if the community can't get blizzard to do anything how is this game to stay alive the entire point here is that getting sponsors and shit isnt going to help THE CASUAL GAMER. Without casual gamers you have no community. Nobody in this thread is a professional gamer we are all casual gamers and while we might be already hooked on starcraft you need new fans we cannot survive forever on the same community we have had for years. The point destiny is making is that you need more casual gamers for a community and at this point in time there is no incentive to play this game unless you are a professional. So when people go on their computer they say holy shit why the fuck would I play sc2 when I could play a user friendly game like dota2 or LoL. The only thing the community CAN do is be the community. We're here for SC2. That's all we can actually do. I wish we could just tweet at Blizzard every time we wanted something to get done, but unfortunately that isn't possible. What you and I can do for starcraft is stick around, support tournaments and players by watching streams and shows and stuff. I haven't played a game of SC2 in months, but I'm still a part of the SC2 community. The community should focus on making the best viewer experience they can, and hopefully that will cause people to come in and see it and stay. So with that logic were just suppose to sit here and let blizzard shit on us and we stay despite getting treated like dogshit? thats is terrible fucking logic. When everyone has switched to LoL itll be to late for blizzard to say we fucked up were going to change that no, we fucking stay here because we love SC2, we either love to watch it or to play it or both, and we will keep nagging blizzard about all this issues. This is NOT a new issue, people been rightfully bitching to blizzard about this since the game came out and if ever they fix everything that is asked we will find new things to ask because we love the game. What the community can do is keep what they are doing and improving on it, try to get more content out there, try to get more people to enjoy the game and help wherever we can. I, and most people on TL i would suppose, am here because i do enjoy SC2, and games will always be restricted by what they are in their true nature. All i am going to do is keep following the scene and the game BECAUSE I ENJOY IT, and people like djwheat, day9, incontrol, tastosis, etc will keep putting out the content because they enjoy doing it and there are still people who care for more then numbers. That is the fault in destiny doomsday prophecy, SC2 started because people enjoyed it, and it will keep going on when people who dont realy enjoy it and just jump on it because it is the trend leave
bahahaha Tasteless has already started castin LoL hahahahaha
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On October 25 2012 02:00 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 01:55 Urasim wrote:On October 25 2012 01:52 Plansix wrote:On October 25 2012 01:48 IcariumJhag wrote:On October 24 2012 15:49 iNcontroL wrote:On October 24 2012 15:47 MaestroSC wrote:On October 24 2012 15:42 iNcontroL wrote:
I CAN'T BELIEVE DJWHEAT YELLED ON THE S HOW! I LOST RFESPECT FOR HIMS
Who the FUCK calls themselves a Djwheat fan but is upset by him yelling? That's like loving truly refined and calm debate but being an avid fan of CNN/Fox arguments. What the fuck? lol Djwheat didnt just yell.... he stood out of his chair and screamed that another grown man was a pussy and a bitch and a coward... and claims to be a mature adult... rewatch the rant he goes on. noone would give a shit if he yelled "OMG I LOVE HORSES. THEY ARE AWSOME SOUL-LESS CREATURES" Yup. He yelled at a guy that rage quitted a show he asked to be on and was conversing on. And you want to get upset because he yelled? Ok.. back to /r/destiny with you! It didnt look it was Destiny that was raging in the VOD, more like you and dhwheat losing it. Destiny was pretty rude and raging. I liked the part when he wouldn't let Wheat talk about Blizzard and their lan client. Franking, I can't blame the hosts, I would have screamed at Destiny too. Of course Blizzard has a lan client... I am pretty sure it is easy to make one, but the question is why isn't it being used in their own tournaments? Blizzard does not run its own events, so that is the reason. According to Wheat, they have offered it to events, but that event must pay for an armed guard 24 hours a day. Also, I am sure there is some sort of liability clause in accepting the lan client as well. To be honest, there could have been games played on the lan client at major events and we never knew.
Yeah, I guess you're right. Blizzcon isn't run by Blizzard at all. Blizzard has nothing to do with WCS either.
This was sarcasm by the way. Really don't want you to take it the wrong way and think you were right.
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On October 25 2012 02:01 colossusFTW wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 01:31 Lazarusnpx wrote:On October 25 2012 01:11 colossusFTW wrote:On October 25 2012 01:07 Golbat wrote:On October 25 2012 00:43 colossusFTW wrote:On October 25 2012 00:36 vultdylan wrote:On October 25 2012 00:31 colossusFTW wrote:On October 25 2012 00:27 xzidez wrote:
I hate to admit it but destiny is right. Don't you remember the shitstorm that spread through internet like a wildfire when blizzard announced that you had to use real name on the official forums after BNet 2.0 release ?
Its not that blizzard doesn't care. Its that they care even more about the actual $$ they get on the game.. and this crap is the worst PR nightmare they can possible get. There is no way they can avoid it now, similar to when they said you were supposed to use your real name.
If we people would just have sucked it up like idra and incontrol is suggesting and doing "what we can" instead of getting all mental over the forums.. we would have been forced to use real names.. And guess what? We don't..,. EXACTLY what the fuck can we do!!?? rhetorical question we can not do jack shit as a community with out blizzard what is the community going to get together in a huge circle jerk and hack blizzard so we can implement the changes we want? the problems ly with blizzard so idra and incontrols point that we as a community can only do what we do is fucking ridiculous we cant do shit about blizzard being fucked only blizzard can. They weren't trying to say that the community can influence what Blizzard is doing, they even said it. They said there is no use trying to coerce Blizzard into changing the game because even after two years of trying to do that, they have had enough of the lack of response on Blizzard's end. It is what the community can do to increase the quality of production of things like tournaments and leagues to increase interest in e-sports that they want to work for. They know they can't change the game that Blizzard makes, but rather the way the public views it and how competition is put out there. BTW clean up your vocabulary. I have seen you on other threads, and it is rather immature. And it doesn't help your case. But if the community can't get blizzard to do anything how is this game to stay alive the entire point here is that getting sponsors and shit isnt going to help THE CASUAL GAMER. Without casual gamers you have no community. Nobody in this thread is a professional gamer we are all casual gamers and while we might be already hooked on starcraft you need new fans we cannot survive forever on the same community we have had for years. The point destiny is making is that you need more casual gamers for a community and at this point in time there is no incentive to play this game unless you are a professional. So when people go on their computer they say holy shit why the fuck would I play sc2 when I could play a user friendly game like dota2 or LoL. The only thing the community CAN do is be the community. We're here for SC2. That's all we can actually do. I wish we could just tweet at Blizzard every time we wanted something to get done, but unfortunately that isn't possible. What you and I can do for starcraft is stick around, support tournaments and players by watching streams and shows and stuff. I haven't played a game of SC2 in months, but I'm still a part of the SC2 community. The community should focus on making the best viewer experience they can, and hopefully that will cause people to come in and see it and stay. So with that logic were just suppose to sit here and let blizzard shit on us and we stay despite getting treated like dogshit? thats is terrible fucking logic. When everyone has switched to LoL itll be to late for blizzard to say we fucked up were going to change that no, we fucking stay here because we love SC2, we either love to watch it or to play it or both, and we will keep nagging blizzard about all this issues. This is NOT a new issue, people been rightfully bitching to blizzard about this since the game came out and if ever they fix everything that is asked we will find new things to ask because we love the game. What the community can do is keep what they are doing and improving on it, try to get more content out there, try to get more people to enjoy the game and help wherever we can. I, and most people on TL i would suppose, am here because i do enjoy SC2, and games will always be restricted by what they are in their true nature. All i am going to do is keep following the scene and the game BECAUSE I ENJOY IT, and people like djwheat, day9, incontrol, tastosis, etc will keep putting out the content because they enjoy doing it and there are still people who care for more then numbers. That is the fault in destiny doomsday prophecy, SC2 started because people enjoyed it, and it will keep going on when people who dont realy enjoy it and just jump on it because it is the trend leave bahahaha Tasteless has already started castin LoL hahahahaha
And he is still casting the exact same amount of SC2 as before, so your point is?
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Austria24416 Posts
On October 25 2012 02:06 ACrow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 02:01 colossusFTW wrote:On October 25 2012 01:31 Lazarusnpx wrote:On October 25 2012 01:11 colossusFTW wrote:On October 25 2012 01:07 Golbat wrote:On October 25 2012 00:43 colossusFTW wrote:On October 25 2012 00:36 vultdylan wrote:On October 25 2012 00:31 colossusFTW wrote:On October 25 2012 00:27 xzidez wrote:
I hate to admit it but destiny is right. Don't you remember the shitstorm that spread through internet like a wildfire when blizzard announced that you had to use real name on the official forums after BNet 2.0 release ?
Its not that blizzard doesn't care. Its that they care even more about the actual $$ they get on the game.. and this crap is the worst PR nightmare they can possible get. There is no way they can avoid it now, similar to when they said you were supposed to use your real name.
If we people would just have sucked it up like idra and incontrol is suggesting and doing "what we can" instead of getting all mental over the forums.. we would have been forced to use real names.. And guess what? We don't..,. EXACTLY what the fuck can we do!!?? rhetorical question we can not do jack shit as a community with out blizzard what is the community going to get together in a huge circle jerk and hack blizzard so we can implement the changes we want? the problems ly with blizzard so idra and incontrols point that we as a community can only do what we do is fucking ridiculous we cant do shit about blizzard being fucked only blizzard can. They weren't trying to say that the community can influence what Blizzard is doing, they even said it. They said there is no use trying to coerce Blizzard into changing the game because even after two years of trying to do that, they have had enough of the lack of response on Blizzard's end. It is what the community can do to increase the quality of production of things like tournaments and leagues to increase interest in e-sports that they want to work for. They know they can't change the game that Blizzard makes, but rather the way the public views it and how competition is put out there. BTW clean up your vocabulary. I have seen you on other threads, and it is rather immature. And it doesn't help your case. But if the community can't get blizzard to do anything how is this game to stay alive the entire point here is that getting sponsors and shit isnt going to help THE CASUAL GAMER. Without casual gamers you have no community. Nobody in this thread is a professional gamer we are all casual gamers and while we might be already hooked on starcraft you need new fans we cannot survive forever on the same community we have had for years. The point destiny is making is that you need more casual gamers for a community and at this point in time there is no incentive to play this game unless you are a professional. So when people go on their computer they say holy shit why the fuck would I play sc2 when I could play a user friendly game like dota2 or LoL. The only thing the community CAN do is be the community. We're here for SC2. That's all we can actually do. I wish we could just tweet at Blizzard every time we wanted something to get done, but unfortunately that isn't possible. What you and I can do for starcraft is stick around, support tournaments and players by watching streams and shows and stuff. I haven't played a game of SC2 in months, but I'm still a part of the SC2 community. The community should focus on making the best viewer experience they can, and hopefully that will cause people to come in and see it and stay. So with that logic were just suppose to sit here and let blizzard shit on us and we stay despite getting treated like dogshit? thats is terrible fucking logic. When everyone has switched to LoL itll be to late for blizzard to say we fucked up were going to change that no, we fucking stay here because we love SC2, we either love to watch it or to play it or both, and we will keep nagging blizzard about all this issues. This is NOT a new issue, people been rightfully bitching to blizzard about this since the game came out and if ever they fix everything that is asked we will find new things to ask because we love the game. What the community can do is keep what they are doing and improving on it, try to get more content out there, try to get more people to enjoy the game and help wherever we can. I, and most people on TL i would suppose, am here because i do enjoy SC2, and games will always be restricted by what they are in their true nature. All i am going to do is keep following the scene and the game BECAUSE I ENJOY IT, and people like djwheat, day9, incontrol, tastosis, etc will keep putting out the content because they enjoy doing it and there are still people who care for more then numbers. That is the fault in destiny doomsday prophecy, SC2 started because people enjoyed it, and it will keep going on when people who dont realy enjoy it and just jump on it because it is the trend leave bahahaha Tasteless has already started castin LoL hahahahaha And he is still casting the exact same amount of SC2 as before, so your point is?
I don't really care about him casting LoL but I'd think it's gonna limit his time for keeping up with the SC2 metagame even more if he also wants to be a decent LoL caster.
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Wow, so I apparently stopped watching at the wrong time last night...or the right time depending on perspective.
After watching the vod of the rest of the show from last night; I think that a lot of people got a little crazy. Marcus is a passionate individual and will always be. That's why people love him and some people dislike him. Destiny wanted to come on the show and probably against his better judgement djWHEAT brought him on to speak his side of things. Destiny came on and basically continued his rant-post with no real support. The conversation just kind of degrades from there with everyone, tbh. Painuser and IdrA were the voice of reason here. Good job, Taylor and Greg. Geoff was probably trying to be entertaining like he usually is (let's be honest, a lot of people watch him do things cause he's smart and pretty damn funny) and I think he made a few comments that took things too far. If I was Marcus and I had brought someone on my show to speak their mind and then they just outright shit on the hosts and hangup on them - I don't know if I could laugh it off, either.
Now, I think a lot of people failed to recognize that Destiny seems to be speaking more about HIS numbers specifically. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like the main revenue for him is his stream. He is a stream personality, more than a pro player of this game. OF COURSE his perspective is one of actual direct stream numbers for himself. Starcraft II as an esport almost doesn't affect him at all. The general casual interest should be his primary concern, which is what he seems to be pushing for Blizzard to fix. The pros probably wouldn't have any affect on the stuff he wants to change. Since he has kind of thrown out the opportunities to get big sponsors through various choices he has made; I don't blame him for not recognizing what is happening on the other end of the spectrum.
IdrA and iNcontroL are pro players with (again, I'm not sure on this, but I'm guessing) most of their income from salary + sponsors? So, their main monetary concerns are in regards to the overall kind of numbers, and not specifically their direct stream numbers? The overall growth of esports and starcraft as an esport should be a huge help to them as more sponsors will be interested, especially in one of the most highly regarded teams. Their point seemed to be is that it is growing still and not in danger. So, while individual streamers (like Destiny) might be taking a hit directly to their streams, it doesn't affect them as much. They want to argue that creating a more balanced game with better esports support is the way to grow the game, along with supporting the players and events - and I think for them, it definitely is.
djWHEAT also directly benefits from the growth of esports overall as he works for Twitch (and herp derp, numbers going up overall) plus the fact that he has been proven to cover multiple games gives him a lot of flexibility.
I don't blame Destiny or other streaming personalities for SC2 for freaking out as his main source of income is being affected by a drop in individual stream numbers, or diversity in games. I feel like that might have been good to specifically point out.
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On October 25 2012 02:01 colossusFTW wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 01:31 Lazarusnpx wrote:On October 25 2012 01:11 colossusFTW wrote:On October 25 2012 01:07 Golbat wrote:On October 25 2012 00:43 colossusFTW wrote:On October 25 2012 00:36 vultdylan wrote:On October 25 2012 00:31 colossusFTW wrote:On October 25 2012 00:27 xzidez wrote:
I hate to admit it but destiny is right. Don't you remember the shitstorm that spread through internet like a wildfire when blizzard announced that you had to use real name on the official forums after BNet 2.0 release ?
Its not that blizzard doesn't care. Its that they care even more about the actual $$ they get on the game.. and this crap is the worst PR nightmare they can possible get. There is no way they can avoid it now, similar to when they said you were supposed to use your real name.
If we people would just have sucked it up like idra and incontrol is suggesting and doing "what we can" instead of getting all mental over the forums.. we would have been forced to use real names.. And guess what? We don't..,. EXACTLY what the fuck can we do!!?? rhetorical question we can not do jack shit as a community with out blizzard what is the community going to get together in a huge circle jerk and hack blizzard so we can implement the changes we want? the problems ly with blizzard so idra and incontrols point that we as a community can only do what we do is fucking ridiculous we cant do shit about blizzard being fucked only blizzard can. They weren't trying to say that the community can influence what Blizzard is doing, they even said it. They said there is no use trying to coerce Blizzard into changing the game because even after two years of trying to do that, they have had enough of the lack of response on Blizzard's end. It is what the community can do to increase the quality of production of things like tournaments and leagues to increase interest in e-sports that they want to work for. They know they can't change the game that Blizzard makes, but rather the way the public views it and how competition is put out there. BTW clean up your vocabulary. I have seen you on other threads, and it is rather immature. And it doesn't help your case. But if the community can't get blizzard to do anything how is this game to stay alive the entire point here is that getting sponsors and shit isnt going to help THE CASUAL GAMER. Without casual gamers you have no community. Nobody in this thread is a professional gamer we are all casual gamers and while we might be already hooked on starcraft you need new fans we cannot survive forever on the same community we have had for years. The point destiny is making is that you need more casual gamers for a community and at this point in time there is no incentive to play this game unless you are a professional. So when people go on their computer they say holy shit why the fuck would I play sc2 when I could play a user friendly game like dota2 or LoL. The only thing the community CAN do is be the community. We're here for SC2. That's all we can actually do. I wish we could just tweet at Blizzard every time we wanted something to get done, but unfortunately that isn't possible. What you and I can do for starcraft is stick around, support tournaments and players by watching streams and shows and stuff. I haven't played a game of SC2 in months, but I'm still a part of the SC2 community. The community should focus on making the best viewer experience they can, and hopefully that will cause people to come in and see it and stay. So with that logic were just suppose to sit here and let blizzard shit on us and we stay despite getting treated like dogshit? thats is terrible fucking logic. When everyone has switched to LoL itll be to late for blizzard to say we fucked up were going to change that no, we fucking stay here because we love SC2, we either love to watch it or to play it or both, and we will keep nagging blizzard about all this issues. This is NOT a new issue, people been rightfully bitching to blizzard about this since the game came out and if ever they fix everything that is asked we will find new things to ask because we love the game. What the community can do is keep what they are doing and improving on it, try to get more content out there, try to get more people to enjoy the game and help wherever we can. I, and most people on TL i would suppose, am here because i do enjoy SC2, and games will always be restricted by what they are in their true nature. All i am going to do is keep following the scene and the game BECAUSE I ENJOY IT, and people like djwheat, day9, incontrol, tastosis, etc will keep putting out the content because they enjoy doing it and there are still people who care for more then numbers. That is the fault in destiny doomsday prophecy, SC2 started because people enjoyed it, and it will keep going on when people who dont realy enjoy it and just jump on it because it is the trend leave bahahaha Tasteless has already started castin LoL hahahahaha
Geee, I wonder if he is casting LoL in Korea because GOM asked him to.....I wonder if it is because there are no other english casters in Korea for LoL? Could it be that GOM is trying to promote its new league by using some of Tasteless's fame to get their league going?
Do you really think he is going to say, "No GOM, I will not cast LoL. SC2 is the only game for me and I will never be inolved with that. Fire me if you want, but I am standing by my game and will side with no there?"
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On October 25 2012 02:08 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 02:06 ACrow wrote:On October 25 2012 02:01 colossusFTW wrote:On October 25 2012 01:31 Lazarusnpx wrote:On October 25 2012 01:11 colossusFTW wrote:On October 25 2012 01:07 Golbat wrote:On October 25 2012 00:43 colossusFTW wrote:On October 25 2012 00:36 vultdylan wrote:On October 25 2012 00:31 colossusFTW wrote:On October 25 2012 00:27 xzidez wrote:
I hate to admit it but destiny is right. Don't you remember the shitstorm that spread through internet like a wildfire when blizzard announced that you had to use real name on the official forums after BNet 2.0 release ?
Its not that blizzard doesn't care. Its that they care even more about the actual $$ they get on the game.. and this crap is the worst PR nightmare they can possible get. There is no way they can avoid it now, similar to when they said you were supposed to use your real name.
If we people would just have sucked it up like idra and incontrol is suggesting and doing "what we can" instead of getting all mental over the forums.. we would have been forced to use real names.. And guess what? We don't..,. EXACTLY what the fuck can we do!!?? rhetorical question we can not do jack shit as a community with out blizzard what is the community going to get together in a huge circle jerk and hack blizzard so we can implement the changes we want? the problems ly with blizzard so idra and incontrols point that we as a community can only do what we do is fucking ridiculous we cant do shit about blizzard being fucked only blizzard can. They weren't trying to say that the community can influence what Blizzard is doing, they even said it. They said there is no use trying to coerce Blizzard into changing the game because even after two years of trying to do that, they have had enough of the lack of response on Blizzard's end. It is what the community can do to increase the quality of production of things like tournaments and leagues to increase interest in e-sports that they want to work for. They know they can't change the game that Blizzard makes, but rather the way the public views it and how competition is put out there. BTW clean up your vocabulary. I have seen you on other threads, and it is rather immature. And it doesn't help your case. But if the community can't get blizzard to do anything how is this game to stay alive the entire point here is that getting sponsors and shit isnt going to help THE CASUAL GAMER. Without casual gamers you have no community. Nobody in this thread is a professional gamer we are all casual gamers and while we might be already hooked on starcraft you need new fans we cannot survive forever on the same community we have had for years. The point destiny is making is that you need more casual gamers for a community and at this point in time there is no incentive to play this game unless you are a professional. So when people go on their computer they say holy shit why the fuck would I play sc2 when I could play a user friendly game like dota2 or LoL. The only thing the community CAN do is be the community. We're here for SC2. That's all we can actually do. I wish we could just tweet at Blizzard every time we wanted something to get done, but unfortunately that isn't possible. What you and I can do for starcraft is stick around, support tournaments and players by watching streams and shows and stuff. I haven't played a game of SC2 in months, but I'm still a part of the SC2 community. The community should focus on making the best viewer experience they can, and hopefully that will cause people to come in and see it and stay. So with that logic were just suppose to sit here and let blizzard shit on us and we stay despite getting treated like dogshit? thats is terrible fucking logic. When everyone has switched to LoL itll be to late for blizzard to say we fucked up were going to change that no, we fucking stay here because we love SC2, we either love to watch it or to play it or both, and we will keep nagging blizzard about all this issues. This is NOT a new issue, people been rightfully bitching to blizzard about this since the game came out and if ever they fix everything that is asked we will find new things to ask because we love the game. What the community can do is keep what they are doing and improving on it, try to get more content out there, try to get more people to enjoy the game and help wherever we can. I, and most people on TL i would suppose, am here because i do enjoy SC2, and games will always be restricted by what they are in their true nature. All i am going to do is keep following the scene and the game BECAUSE I ENJOY IT, and people like djwheat, day9, incontrol, tastosis, etc will keep putting out the content because they enjoy doing it and there are still people who care for more then numbers. That is the fault in destiny doomsday prophecy, SC2 started because people enjoyed it, and it will keep going on when people who dont realy enjoy it and just jump on it because it is the trend leave bahahaha Tasteless has already started castin LoL hahahahaha And he is still casting the exact same amount of SC2 as before, so your point is? I don't really care about him casting LoL but I'd think it's gonna limit his time for keeping up with the SC2 metagame even more if he also wants to be a decent LoL caster.
My understanding was that Tasteless is casting LoL as a guest caster until GOM finds an good English speaking commentator to take his place.
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On October 25 2012 02:02 Urasim wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 02:00 Plansix wrote:On October 25 2012 01:55 Urasim wrote:On October 25 2012 01:52 Plansix wrote:On October 25 2012 01:48 IcariumJhag wrote:On October 24 2012 15:49 iNcontroL wrote:On October 24 2012 15:47 MaestroSC wrote:On October 24 2012 15:42 iNcontroL wrote:
I CAN'T BELIEVE DJWHEAT YELLED ON THE S HOW! I LOST RFESPECT FOR HIMS
Who the FUCK calls themselves a Djwheat fan but is upset by him yelling? That's like loving truly refined and calm debate but being an avid fan of CNN/Fox arguments. What the fuck? lol Djwheat didnt just yell.... he stood out of his chair and screamed that another grown man was a pussy and a bitch and a coward... and claims to be a mature adult... rewatch the rant he goes on. noone would give a shit if he yelled "OMG I LOVE HORSES. THEY ARE AWSOME SOUL-LESS CREATURES" Yup. He yelled at a guy that rage quitted a show he asked to be on and was conversing on. And you want to get upset because he yelled? Ok.. back to /r/destiny with you! It didnt look it was Destiny that was raging in the VOD, more like you and dhwheat losing it. Destiny was pretty rude and raging. I liked the part when he wouldn't let Wheat talk about Blizzard and their lan client. Franking, I can't blame the hosts, I would have screamed at Destiny too. Of course Blizzard has a lan client... I am pretty sure it is easy to make one, but the question is why isn't it being used in their own tournaments? Blizzard does not run its own events, so that is the reason. According to Wheat, they have offered it to events, but that event must pay for an armed guard 24 hours a day. Also, I am sure there is some sort of liability clause in accepting the lan client as well. To be honest, there could have been games played on the lan client at major events and we never knew. Yeah, I guess you're right. Blizzcon isn't run by Blizzard at all. Blizzard has nothing to do with WCS either. This was sarcasm by the way. Really don't want you to take it the wrong way and think you were right.
I got it. To be honest, the lan client has likely been used a lot over the last year, but no one talks about it. Why would you announce that you are using something that you are worried people are going to try an steal? Riot can do it because they run their own events, but Blizzard doesn't.
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On October 25 2012 02:01 colossusFTW wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 01:31 Lazarusnpx wrote:On October 25 2012 01:11 colossusFTW wrote:On October 25 2012 01:07 Golbat wrote:On October 25 2012 00:43 colossusFTW wrote:On October 25 2012 00:36 vultdylan wrote:On October 25 2012 00:31 colossusFTW wrote:On October 25 2012 00:27 xzidez wrote:
I hate to admit it but destiny is right. Don't you remember the shitstorm that spread through internet like a wildfire when blizzard announced that you had to use real name on the official forums after BNet 2.0 release ?
Its not that blizzard doesn't care. Its that they care even more about the actual $$ they get on the game.. and this crap is the worst PR nightmare they can possible get. There is no way they can avoid it now, similar to when they said you were supposed to use your real name.
If we people would just have sucked it up like idra and incontrol is suggesting and doing "what we can" instead of getting all mental over the forums.. we would have been forced to use real names.. And guess what? We don't..,. EXACTLY what the fuck can we do!!?? rhetorical question we can not do jack shit as a community with out blizzard what is the community going to get together in a huge circle jerk and hack blizzard so we can implement the changes we want? the problems ly with blizzard so idra and incontrols point that we as a community can only do what we do is fucking ridiculous we cant do shit about blizzard being fucked only blizzard can. They weren't trying to say that the community can influence what Blizzard is doing, they even said it. They said there is no use trying to coerce Blizzard into changing the game because even after two years of trying to do that, they have had enough of the lack of response on Blizzard's end. It is what the community can do to increase the quality of production of things like tournaments and leagues to increase interest in e-sports that they want to work for. They know they can't change the game that Blizzard makes, but rather the way the public views it and how competition is put out there. BTW clean up your vocabulary. I have seen you on other threads, and it is rather immature. And it doesn't help your case. But if the community can't get blizzard to do anything how is this game to stay alive the entire point here is that getting sponsors and shit isnt going to help THE CASUAL GAMER. Without casual gamers you have no community. Nobody in this thread is a professional gamer we are all casual gamers and while we might be already hooked on starcraft you need new fans we cannot survive forever on the same community we have had for years. The point destiny is making is that you need more casual gamers for a community and at this point in time there is no incentive to play this game unless you are a professional. So when people go on their computer they say holy shit why the fuck would I play sc2 when I could play a user friendly game like dota2 or LoL. The only thing the community CAN do is be the community. We're here for SC2. That's all we can actually do. I wish we could just tweet at Blizzard every time we wanted something to get done, but unfortunately that isn't possible. What you and I can do for starcraft is stick around, support tournaments and players by watching streams and shows and stuff. I haven't played a game of SC2 in months, but I'm still a part of the SC2 community. The community should focus on making the best viewer experience they can, and hopefully that will cause people to come in and see it and stay. So with that logic were just suppose to sit here and let blizzard shit on us and we stay despite getting treated like dogshit? thats is terrible fucking logic. When everyone has switched to LoL itll be to late for blizzard to say we fucked up were going to change that no, we fucking stay here because we love SC2, we either love to watch it or to play it or both, and we will keep nagging blizzard about all this issues. This is NOT a new issue, people been rightfully bitching to blizzard about this since the game came out and if ever they fix everything that is asked we will find new things to ask because we love the game. What the community can do is keep what they are doing and improving on it, try to get more content out there, try to get more people to enjoy the game and help wherever we can. I, and most people on TL i would suppose, am here because i do enjoy SC2, and games will always be restricted by what they are in their true nature. All i am going to do is keep following the scene and the game BECAUSE I ENJOY IT, and people like djwheat, day9, incontrol, tastosis, etc will keep putting out the content because they enjoy doing it and there are still people who care for more then numbers. That is the fault in destiny doomsday prophecy, SC2 started because people enjoyed it, and it will keep going on when people who dont realy enjoy it and just jump on it because it is the trend leave bahahaha Tasteless has already started castin LoL hahahahaha
He said at the end of the broadcast he was brought in on very-short notice, if you also have a brain bigger than the size of a peapod, you'd also would of heard he's doing Sunday's broadcast and no more, gone, for good, au revoir, back to SC2
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