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On October 25 2012 00:50 vultdylan wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 00:43 colossusFTW wrote:On October 25 2012 00:36 vultdylan wrote:On October 25 2012 00:31 colossusFTW wrote:On October 25 2012 00:27 xzidez wrote:
I hate to admit it but destiny is right. Don't you remember the shitstorm that spread through internet like a wildfire when blizzard announced that you had to use real name on the official forums after BNet 2.0 release ?
Its not that blizzard doesn't care. Its that they care even more about the actual $$ they get on the game.. and this crap is the worst PR nightmare they can possible get. There is no way they can avoid it now, similar to when they said you were supposed to use your real name.
If we people would just have sucked it up like idra and incontrol is suggesting and doing "what we can" instead of getting all mental over the forums.. we would have been forced to use real names.. And guess what? We don't..,. EXACTLY what the fuck can we do!!?? rhetorical question we can not do jack shit as a community with out blizzard what is the community going to get together in a huge circle jerk and hack blizzard so we can implement the changes we want? the problems ly with blizzard so idra and incontrols point that we as a community can only do what we do is fucking ridiculous we cant do shit about blizzard being fucked only blizzard can. They weren't trying to say that the community can influence what Blizzard is doing, they even said it. They said there is no use trying to coerce Blizzard into changing the game because even after two years of trying to do that, they have had enough of the lack of response on Blizzard's end. It is what the community can do to increase the quality of production of things like tournaments and leagues to increase interest in e-sports that they want to work for. They know they can't change the game that Blizzard makes, but rather the way the public views it and how competition is put out there. BTW clean up your vocabulary. I have seen you on other threads, and it is rather immature. And it doesn't help your case. But if the community can't get blizzard to do anything how is this game to stay alive the entire point here is that getting sponsors and shit isnt going to help THE CASUAL GAMER. Without casual gamers you have no community. Nobody in this thread is a professional gamer we are all casual gamers and while we might be already hooked on starcraft you need new fans we cannot survive forever on the same community we have had for years. The point destiny is making is that you need more casual gamers for a community and at this point in time there is no incentive to play this game unless you are a professional. So when people go on their computer they say holy shit why the fuck would I play sc2 when I could play a user friendly game like dota2 or LoL. Sure, games like DotA2 and LoL are more accessible (being free to play) than SCII. But I know casual gamers that don't play any Moba or RTS that find LoL streams EXTREMELY confusing. Sure, they are fun to watch and exciting when there is action, but I as well as others think that the only way that you can fully understand a LoL stream or tournament is if you have played the game. SCII is WAY easier to understand, its just the game itself requires more skill. The casual gamer shouldn't give a damn about winning or losing or whatever. They play it to have fun, and everyone chooses what they play with that mindset. Blizzard doesn't have to make the game easier/change the game in order to make it accessible to more people. It is the way that tournaments and the competitive scene is portrayed and distributed that will influence viewership and casual gamers to play. Although I do agree that Blizzard needs to get things in line to make the experience more enjoyable for players (namely UMS and accessible chat channels), but the community doesn't need to freak out over this.
Did you just fucking say that? you really just said sc2 is easier to understand than LoL? WTF LoL you teams of 5 and you protect your lane and try to kill opponents base before they kill yours. SC2 hard counters, cheese, spell casting, timing attacks, saturation, macro,micro how the fuck can anyone say sc2 is easier to understand. you sir have just blown my mind.
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On October 25 2012 00:31 colossusFTW wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 00:27 xzidez wrote:
I hate to admit it but destiny is right. Don't you remember the shitstorm that spread through internet like a wildfire when blizzard announced that you had to use real name on the official forums after BNet 2.0 release ?
Its not that blizzard doesn't care. Its that they care even more about the actual $$ they get on the game.. and this crap is the worst PR nightmare they can possible get. There is no way they can avoid it now, similar to when they said you were supposed to use your real name.
If we people would just have sucked it up like idra and incontrol is suggesting and doing "what we can" instead of getting all mental over the forums.. we would have been forced to use real names.. And guess what? We don't..,. EXACTLY what the fuck can we do!!?? rhetorical question we can not do jack shit as a community with out blizzard what is the community going to get together in a huge circle jerk and hack blizzard so we can implement the changes we want? the problems ly with blizzard so idra and incontrols point that we as a community can only do what we do is fucking ridiculous we cant do shit about blizzard being fucked only blizzard can.
Did you even read what I wrote? What we can do is show Blizzard that its not acceptable the way it works now. Of course we cant make the actual implementations ourselves, but we can show blizzard that this is something that we need. Similar to how "we" handled the real name issue.
And that's the part that I hate to admit.. The only way to get blizzard to actually listen is go full shitstorm... kinda how everything looks right now. So I wouldn't be suprised to see a blue within the next week announcing something that will "soothe" us down..Exactly how its always been with Blizzard.
Oh, and another matter to prove my point. Chats was NOT a part of Bnet 2.0... people went fucking mental on forums.. behaved like assholes in response to the "Do you really want chat rooms?"-bullshit. And look where we are now.. we have chat rooms.. even if its a bad implementation.
Edit: ok I just went full retard. Sorry
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r/starcraft needs to be banned from the SC2 community, they really are a joke for the way they have been acting the last week. If anything is killing esports, its r/starcraft.
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People, what Episode of Inside the game are we talking about 0,o?
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On October 25 2012 00:54 colossusFTW wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 00:50 vultdylan wrote:On October 25 2012 00:43 colossusFTW wrote:On October 25 2012 00:36 vultdylan wrote:On October 25 2012 00:31 colossusFTW wrote:On October 25 2012 00:27 xzidez wrote:
I hate to admit it but destiny is right. Don't you remember the shitstorm that spread through internet like a wildfire when blizzard announced that you had to use real name on the official forums after BNet 2.0 release ?
Its not that blizzard doesn't care. Its that they care even more about the actual $$ they get on the game.. and this crap is the worst PR nightmare they can possible get. There is no way they can avoid it now, similar to when they said you were supposed to use your real name.
If we people would just have sucked it up like idra and incontrol is suggesting and doing "what we can" instead of getting all mental over the forums.. we would have been forced to use real names.. And guess what? We don't..,. EXACTLY what the fuck can we do!!?? rhetorical question we can not do jack shit as a community with out blizzard what is the community going to get together in a huge circle jerk and hack blizzard so we can implement the changes we want? the problems ly with blizzard so idra and incontrols point that we as a community can only do what we do is fucking ridiculous we cant do shit about blizzard being fucked only blizzard can. They weren't trying to say that the community can influence what Blizzard is doing, they even said it. They said there is no use trying to coerce Blizzard into changing the game because even after two years of trying to do that, they have had enough of the lack of response on Blizzard's end. It is what the community can do to increase the quality of production of things like tournaments and leagues to increase interest in e-sports that they want to work for. They know they can't change the game that Blizzard makes, but rather the way the public views it and how competition is put out there. BTW clean up your vocabulary. I have seen you on other threads, and it is rather immature. And it doesn't help your case. But if the community can't get blizzard to do anything how is this game to stay alive the entire point here is that getting sponsors and shit isnt going to help THE CASUAL GAMER. Without casual gamers you have no community. Nobody in this thread is a professional gamer we are all casual gamers and while we might be already hooked on starcraft you need new fans we cannot survive forever on the same community we have had for years. The point destiny is making is that you need more casual gamers for a community and at this point in time there is no incentive to play this game unless you are a professional. So when people go on their computer they say holy shit why the fuck would I play sc2 when I could play a user friendly game like dota2 or LoL. Sure, games like DotA2 and LoL are more accessible (being free to play) than SCII. But I know casual gamers that don't play any Moba or RTS that find LoL streams EXTREMELY confusing. Sure, they are fun to watch and exciting when there is action, but I as well as others think that the only way that you can fully understand a LoL stream or tournament is if you have played the game. SCII is WAY easier to understand, its just the game itself requires more skill. The casual gamer shouldn't give a damn about winning or losing or whatever. They play it to have fun, and everyone chooses what they play with that mindset. Blizzard doesn't have to make the game easier/change the game in order to make it accessible to more people. It is the way that tournaments and the competitive scene is portrayed and distributed that will influence viewership and casual gamers to play. Although I do agree that Blizzard needs to get things in line to make the experience more enjoyable for players (namely UMS and accessible chat channels), but the community doesn't need to freak out over this. Did you just fucking say that? you really just said sc2 is easier to understand than LoL? WTF LoL you teams of 5 and you protect your lane and try to kill opponents base before they kill yours. SC2 hard counters, cheese, spell casting, timing attacks, saturation, macro,micro how the fuck can anyone say sc2 is easier to understand. you sir have just blown my mind.
He's saying that from a spectator's standpoint SC2 is relatively easier to understand. Generally the person with the largest army wins in SC2... whereas in LoL or Dota2 there's a slew of items and spells that dictate the eventual winner.
OT: Painuser deserves the most praise here, I agree with Destiny's point but Destiny's rhetoric was a little too derogatory for my liking. The EG guys and djWHEAT messed up big time here and went overboard with their bashing.
On October 25 2012 00:58 Razac wrote:
People, what Episode of Inside the game are we talking about 0,o?
Episode 57, notable high fiving incident is at around 1:27:50
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On October 25 2012 00:56 xzidez wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 00:31 colossusFTW wrote:On October 25 2012 00:27 xzidez wrote:
I hate to admit it but destiny is right. Don't you remember the shitstorm that spread through internet like a wildfire when blizzard announced that you had to use real name on the official forums after BNet 2.0 release ?
Its not that blizzard doesn't care. Its that they care even more about the actual $$ they get on the game.. and this crap is the worst PR nightmare they can possible get. There is no way they can avoid it now, similar to when they said you were supposed to use your real name.
If we people would just have sucked it up like idra and incontrol is suggesting and doing "what we can" instead of getting all mental over the forums.. we would have been forced to use real names.. And guess what? We don't..,. EXACTLY what the fuck can we do!!?? rhetorical question we can not do jack shit as a community with out blizzard what is the community going to get together in a huge circle jerk and hack blizzard so we can implement the changes we want? the problems ly with blizzard so idra and incontrols point that we as a community can only do what we do is fucking ridiculous we cant do shit about blizzard being fucked only blizzard can. Did you even read what I wrote? What we can do is show Blizzard that its not acceptable the way it works now. Of course we cant make the actual implementations ourselves, but we can show blizzard that this is something that we need. Similar to how "we" handled the real name issue. And that's the part that I hate to admit.. The only way to get blizzard to actually listen is go full shitstorm... kinda how everything looks right now. So I wouldn't be suprised to see a blue within the next week announcing something that will "soothe" us down..Exactly how its always been with Blizzard. Oh, and another matter to prove my point. Chats was NOT a part of Bnet 2.0... people went fucking mental on forums.. behaved like assholes in response to the "Do you really want chat rooms?"-bullshit. And look where we are now.. we have chat rooms.. even if its a bad implementation.
Question: Does the LoL client have chat rooms? I have never noticed them beyond the party options, which B.net 2.0 has. I know Valve does and they are "passable", though mostly filled with trade spamming.
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Just watched the VOD and the thing what got me the most was amount of arrogance from Destiny, just because he has a couple of hundred viewers he thinks he has the right to campaign to change the game and manipulate his viewers he's right - He doesn't care about the game, he's doing it for personal gain because his stream depends on the casual audience, there's too many big-headed people out there just because they have a bit e-fame they can go about posting shit to people on that vile place called Reddit and because he has viewers they're all gonna upvote it - Destiny isn't the only one btw, I've seen Mr. Bitter do the same in a even worse manner I thought he was cool then I saw a post which turned him a total dick.
Mind you this is the same forum where a good % of people who thought what Deathangel did was a thing which should be forgiven next week so if they couldn't see through that, then they're not gonna have a unbiased opinion on this.
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On October 25 2012 00:02 Wingblade wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 23:32 monkybone wrote:On October 24 2012 23:30 Golbat wrote:
Here's my objective take on the situation:
Destiny is correct, to a point. The onus is in fact on Blizzard to improve their game. Chat channels, a better way for UMS maps to be played by casuals, unranked 1v1, whatever. The problem is that Blizzard not only knows that they need to fix all those things, they know that we know that they know they need to fix all those things. And they still don't do it. No amount of #saveHotS twitter bombs or whiny reddit threads are going to make blizzard do anything.
This is where iNcontoL, IdrA, and DJWheat come in. They know that this is the case. They also know that there are things they can do that have the potential to increase or at least hold steady the amount of people participating in SC2 as an eSport. So they do them. They aren't worried about what Blizzard is or is not doing. They know that it's pathetic for there to be "lag screens at Blizzcon", but they can't make those lag screens not happen. So they focus on other things, things that they can improve and change.
And that is the real difference between what Destiny was saying and what ITG was saying.
On another note, I think DJWheat's "explosion" after Destiny hung up was not only warranted, but completely the response I was expecting from him. Because let's be honest, it was a "pussy-ass cop-out" on Destiny's part. The entire argument devolved into something that was deliciously devoid of fluff, which is why I watch DJWheat's shows in the first place. Glad someone feels the same way as me about this. Same here. Amazing that Idra/Incontrol make all the rational points and people support the screaming, ignorant buffoon(Destiny). This is the guy we essentially evicted from our community for his lack of common sense now screaming Doomsday prophecies like the guys preparing for the end of the Mayan calendar. And people ARE ACTUALLY BUYING IT.
If you call what idra and incontrol did rational you need to look up that word sir.
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On October 25 2012 00:58 Wockets wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 00:54 colossusFTW wrote:On October 25 2012 00:50 vultdylan wrote:On October 25 2012 00:43 colossusFTW wrote:On October 25 2012 00:36 vultdylan wrote:On October 25 2012 00:31 colossusFTW wrote:On October 25 2012 00:27 xzidez wrote:
I hate to admit it but destiny is right. Don't you remember the shitstorm that spread through internet like a wildfire when blizzard announced that you had to use real name on the official forums after BNet 2.0 release ?
Its not that blizzard doesn't care. Its that they care even more about the actual $$ they get on the game.. and this crap is the worst PR nightmare they can possible get. There is no way they can avoid it now, similar to when they said you were supposed to use your real name.
If we people would just have sucked it up like idra and incontrol is suggesting and doing "what we can" instead of getting all mental over the forums.. we would have been forced to use real names.. And guess what? We don't..,. EXACTLY what the fuck can we do!!?? rhetorical question we can not do jack shit as a community with out blizzard what is the community going to get together in a huge circle jerk and hack blizzard so we can implement the changes we want? the problems ly with blizzard so idra and incontrols point that we as a community can only do what we do is fucking ridiculous we cant do shit about blizzard being fucked only blizzard can. They weren't trying to say that the community can influence what Blizzard is doing, they even said it. They said there is no use trying to coerce Blizzard into changing the game because even after two years of trying to do that, they have had enough of the lack of response on Blizzard's end. It is what the community can do to increase the quality of production of things like tournaments and leagues to increase interest in e-sports that they want to work for. They know they can't change the game that Blizzard makes, but rather the way the public views it and how competition is put out there. BTW clean up your vocabulary. I have seen you on other threads, and it is rather immature. And it doesn't help your case. But if the community can't get blizzard to do anything how is this game to stay alive the entire point here is that getting sponsors and shit isnt going to help THE CASUAL GAMER. Without casual gamers you have no community. Nobody in this thread is a professional gamer we are all casual gamers and while we might be already hooked on starcraft you need new fans we cannot survive forever on the same community we have had for years. The point destiny is making is that you need more casual gamers for a community and at this point in time there is no incentive to play this game unless you are a professional. So when people go on their computer they say holy shit why the fuck would I play sc2 when I could play a user friendly game like dota2 or LoL. Sure, games like DotA2 and LoL are more accessible (being free to play) than SCII. But I know casual gamers that don't play any Moba or RTS that find LoL streams EXTREMELY confusing. Sure, they are fun to watch and exciting when there is action, but I as well as others think that the only way that you can fully understand a LoL stream or tournament is if you have played the game. SCII is WAY easier to understand, its just the game itself requires more skill. The casual gamer shouldn't give a damn about winning or losing or whatever. They play it to have fun, and everyone chooses what they play with that mindset. Blizzard doesn't have to make the game easier/change the game in order to make it accessible to more people. It is the way that tournaments and the competitive scene is portrayed and distributed that will influence viewership and casual gamers to play. Although I do agree that Blizzard needs to get things in line to make the experience more enjoyable for players (namely UMS and accessible chat channels), but the community doesn't need to freak out over this. Did you just fucking say that? you really just said sc2 is easier to understand than LoL? WTF LoL you teams of 5 and you protect your lane and try to kill opponents base before they kill yours. SC2 hard counters, cheese, spell casting, timing attacks, saturation, macro,micro how the fuck can anyone say sc2 is easier to understand. you sir have just blown my mind. He's saying that from a spectator's standpoint SC2 is relatively easier to understand. Generally the person with the largest army wins in SC2... whereas in LoL or Dota2 there's a slew of items and spells that dictate the eventual winner. OT: Painuser deserves the most praise here, I agree with Destiny's point but Destiny's rhetoric was a little too derogatory for my liking. The EG guys and djWHEAT messed up big time here and went overboard with their bashing. Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 00:58 Razac wrote:
People, what Episode of Inside the game are we talking about 0,o? Episode 57, notable high fiving incident is at around 1:27:50
Ok even with that there is still no fucking way sc2 is easier to understand than from a viewers stand point LoL = the game starts you go and fight. SC2= you build all these random buildings to make other buildings to make unit that sometimes die in the blink of an eye there is no way sc2 is more viewer friend and this is coming from someone that fucking hates LoL.
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On October 25 2012 00:48 monkybone wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 00:04 Pwnographics wrote:On October 24 2012 23:57 Voreau wrote:On October 24 2012 23:52 Pwnographics wrote:On October 24 2012 23:46 Josh111 wrote:
I think people just get a hard on getting upset at incontrol and people he is associated with..
Incontrol presented an argument counter to what destiny was saying, yes he said some jokes and poked fun but so did destiny.
You guys lost respect because djwheat was passionate? and everyone who is "upset" are completely ignoring Destiny who is as guilty as any one else in the show.
They had an argument and people raised their voices... big fucking deal, get over it. How do you guys exist in the real world? Yeah, Destiny is guilty, he admits it... And he apologized... What's your fucking point mate? The host isn't supposed to be 'passionate' if that's even an excuse. If Obama vs Romney had a 'passionate' Romney supporter, then wtf? Are you even switched on? And being passionate is an excuse for what djWHEAT did? Then you can excuse nearly everything Destiny has fucked up on as being passionate. What did djWHEAT do? Get pissed off cause he brought a guy on HIS show, supported by sponsors, and said guy acts like a child and then gives up completely by insulting 2 of the hosts and hanging up? That was utterly disrespectful to one of the most tenured, respected and knowledgeable names in eSports. Who is Destiny compared to djWHEAT?? Absolutely nothing. djWHEAT's reaction was completely justified given the circumstances. What did djWHEAT do? Let's see... He invited someone on his show to give an opposing argument to add depth to the conversation. He then refuses to let said person finish their argument or even start it. Makes some random obscure analogy to breaking bad and American idol, sides with Incontrol/IdrA as a host. Prevents PainUser from talking when he's the only one trying to be objective. And then throws one of the most full retard scenes I've ever seen. I even linked that scene to some of my friends who don't play video games so they could have a good laugh at a 40 year old man screaming about how some guy didn't want to talk over Skype anymore. He was by far the worst host I've ever seen...The host should not be going ape shit in any circumstances... It's the fucking host... You don't see Obama vs Romney hosted by Rice, then when Obama goes well fuck I'm out of here. Rice jumps out of her seat screams you fucking cop out RAHWAOHNF LOOLOLOLOL. 1) Destiny invited himself. djWheat asked the others if it was okay for him to join. 2) Destiny had an extremely long solo-rant before any of the others said anything. Then the discussion began, on Destiny's premises. He was the one interrupting. 3) Apparantly most people with some kind of intelligence feature completely understood and appreciated the breaking bad vs american idol comparison. 4) djWheat is passionate, that's why he's loved, and that's also why he screams sometimes, when things upset him. Do you have a problem with that? 5) This is not a fucking presidential debate.
I laughed so hard at number 3, and number 1.
number 1, DJwheat and EVERYONE in teamliquid knows who destiny is, we all know he acts like a damn troll SO all THEN WHY LET HIM IN? you actually think a dude who had a girl post a dick on his twitter or a dude who loses sponsorships because of his attitude is going to ALL of the sudden act mature? Really? Destiny? Long before that when that dick event happened Incontrol could not stop ranting off and complaining and talking shit about destiny. (I noticed the envy, no idea why)
number 3... intelligence feature, destiny has a timid way of voicing his opinions - though he has not helped him at all (both idra and incontrol agree with his points) BUT the analogy made that 14 year old girls have no money (most do not, but i'm sure they buy tickets, they watch the advertisements given, and 14 year old girls DO buy more shit (clothings, make-up, etc,etc ON IMPULSE, begging parents for money) Where as the typical SC2 viewer probably assets his/her situation, are alot more mature and will control and understand their own economic needs (alot of members of TL and alot more esports related sites complained about the Pay to View idea brought upon by MLG, GSL and most of us watch the free stream edition of GSL). In the economy its all about sells figures and the amount of audience that buys, in this CASE LoL makes a much larger profit margin than that of a typical SC2. Dota 2 has even included an in game store where fans CAN contribute to their teams buy what? Buying pennants, buying tickets for live games, etc, etc.... Where has SC2 gone? SC2 streamers rely on us to buy products of the sponsors SO THE sponsors keep endorsing their products.
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should have brought avilo on, couldn't have hurt
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On October 25 2012 01:00 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 00:56 xzidez wrote:On October 25 2012 00:31 colossusFTW wrote:On October 25 2012 00:27 xzidez wrote:
I hate to admit it but destiny is right. Don't you remember the shitstorm that spread through internet like a wildfire when blizzard announced that you had to use real name on the official forums after BNet 2.0 release ?
Its not that blizzard doesn't care. Its that they care even more about the actual $$ they get on the game.. and this crap is the worst PR nightmare they can possible get. There is no way they can avoid it now, similar to when they said you were supposed to use your real name.
If we people would just have sucked it up like idra and incontrol is suggesting and doing "what we can" instead of getting all mental over the forums.. we would have been forced to use real names.. And guess what? We don't..,. EXACTLY what the fuck can we do!!?? rhetorical question we can not do jack shit as a community with out blizzard what is the community going to get together in a huge circle jerk and hack blizzard so we can implement the changes we want? the problems ly with blizzard so idra and incontrols point that we as a community can only do what we do is fucking ridiculous we cant do shit about blizzard being fucked only blizzard can. Did you even read what I wrote? What we can do is show Blizzard that its not acceptable the way it works now. Of course we cant make the actual implementations ourselves, but we can show blizzard that this is something that we need. Similar to how "we" handled the real name issue. And that's the part that I hate to admit.. The only way to get blizzard to actually listen is go full shitstorm... kinda how everything looks right now. So I wouldn't be suprised to see a blue within the next week announcing something that will "soothe" us down..Exactly how its always been with Blizzard. Oh, and another matter to prove my point. Chats was NOT a part of Bnet 2.0... people went fucking mental on forums.. behaved like assholes in response to the "Do you really want chat rooms?"-bullshit. And look where we are now.. we have chat rooms.. even if its a bad implementation. Question: Does the LoL client have chat rooms? I have never noticed them beyond the party options, which B.net 2.0 has. I know Valve does and they are "passable", though mostly filled with trade spamming.
Yes it does...Bottom right beside your friend list (Just like in Bnet)
Edit: But what I think is the real "dealbreaker" when it comes to LoL vs SC2 is the Spectate mode.. Just click anyone in your friendlist and spectate their current game.. or jump in and specate any pro you like that is currently playing.... thats just.... well good?
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rofl its like people are hearing wheat scream about something for the first time. He's literally been acting this way forever and nobody saw it as anything but passion before this incident.
But yeah some heavy elitism displayed on this show. These guys are so used to just debating among themselves, its really hard for them to consider other peoples' perspectives. Its like when they take callers, they can't help but to feel superior and some of it shows sometimes. It's just a side effect when you're a big person in the community; you begin to feel like you're more important than others and you have to defend your status in any way possible. But this really hurts when you try to consider the thoughts of people outside this ITG realm, because it makes you feel like you have to overpower them at all costs. IdrA and incontrol are especially bad about this, shown in some SOTG (think back when they invited avilo). Incontrol just can't get enough of it that he even has to continue to defend himself in these threads. I feel like he's making it worse for him.
People are talking about how great Painuser was in this episode. Yeah he was great compared to the others. Painuser doesn't really have that "superiority" complex which is nice to see. And this is why he really stood out in this episode. This show should really not resort to any debate involving people outside the show because the hosts simply can't handle it. Stick to talking about the scene, the game, and helping out callers. Debating with each other is fine, but don't debate with people outside the show because it looks bad on your part when you have to force yourself to overpower the person's views.
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On October 25 2012 01:04 mememolly wrote:
should have brought avilo on, couldn't have hurt
And the discussion is over. This man wins the thread. Never argue with drunks or fools.
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On October 25 2012 00:43 colossusFTW wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 00:36 vultdylan wrote:On October 25 2012 00:31 colossusFTW wrote:On October 25 2012 00:27 xzidez wrote:
I hate to admit it but destiny is right. Don't you remember the shitstorm that spread through internet like a wildfire when blizzard announced that you had to use real name on the official forums after BNet 2.0 release ?
Its not that blizzard doesn't care. Its that they care even more about the actual $$ they get on the game.. and this crap is the worst PR nightmare they can possible get. There is no way they can avoid it now, similar to when they said you were supposed to use your real name.
If we people would just have sucked it up like idra and incontrol is suggesting and doing "what we can" instead of getting all mental over the forums.. we would have been forced to use real names.. And guess what? We don't..,. EXACTLY what the fuck can we do!!?? rhetorical question we can not do jack shit as a community with out blizzard what is the community going to get together in a huge circle jerk and hack blizzard so we can implement the changes we want? the problems ly with blizzard so idra and incontrols point that we as a community can only do what we do is fucking ridiculous we cant do shit about blizzard being fucked only blizzard can. They weren't trying to say that the community can influence what Blizzard is doing, they even said it. They said there is no use trying to coerce Blizzard into changing the game because even after two years of trying to do that, they have had enough of the lack of response on Blizzard's end. It is what the community can do to increase the quality of production of things like tournaments and leagues to increase interest in e-sports that they want to work for. They know they can't change the game that Blizzard makes, but rather the way the public views it and how competition is put out there. BTW clean up your vocabulary. I have seen you on other threads, and it is rather immature. And it doesn't help your case. But if the community can't get blizzard to do anything how is this game to stay alive the entire point here is that getting sponsors and shit isnt going to help THE CASUAL GAMER. Without casual gamers you have no community. Nobody in this thread is a professional gamer we are all casual gamers and while we might be already hooked on starcraft you need new fans we cannot survive forever on the same community we have had for years. The point destiny is making is that you need more casual gamers for a community and at this point in time there is no incentive to play this game unless you are a professional. So when people go on their computer they say holy shit why the fuck would I play sc2 when I could play a user friendly game like dota2 or LoL.
The only thing the community CAN do is be the community. We're here for SC2. That's all we can actually do. I wish we could just tweet at Blizzard every time we wanted something to get done, but unfortunately that isn't possible. What you and I can do for starcraft is stick around, support tournaments and players by watching streams and shows and stuff. I haven't played a game of SC2 in months, but I'm still a part of the SC2 community. The community should focus on making the best viewer experience they can, and hopefully that will cause people to come in and see it and stay.
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On October 25 2012 01:07 Golbat wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 00:43 colossusFTW wrote:On October 25 2012 00:36 vultdylan wrote:On October 25 2012 00:31 colossusFTW wrote:On October 25 2012 00:27 xzidez wrote:
I hate to admit it but destiny is right. Don't you remember the shitstorm that spread through internet like a wildfire when blizzard announced that you had to use real name on the official forums after BNet 2.0 release ?
Its not that blizzard doesn't care. Its that they care even more about the actual $$ they get on the game.. and this crap is the worst PR nightmare they can possible get. There is no way they can avoid it now, similar to when they said you were supposed to use your real name.
If we people would just have sucked it up like idra and incontrol is suggesting and doing "what we can" instead of getting all mental over the forums.. we would have been forced to use real names.. And guess what? We don't..,. EXACTLY what the fuck can we do!!?? rhetorical question we can not do jack shit as a community with out blizzard what is the community going to get together in a huge circle jerk and hack blizzard so we can implement the changes we want? the problems ly with blizzard so idra and incontrols point that we as a community can only do what we do is fucking ridiculous we cant do shit about blizzard being fucked only blizzard can. They weren't trying to say that the community can influence what Blizzard is doing, they even said it. They said there is no use trying to coerce Blizzard into changing the game because even after two years of trying to do that, they have had enough of the lack of response on Blizzard's end. It is what the community can do to increase the quality of production of things like tournaments and leagues to increase interest in e-sports that they want to work for. They know they can't change the game that Blizzard makes, but rather the way the public views it and how competition is put out there. BTW clean up your vocabulary. I have seen you on other threads, and it is rather immature. And it doesn't help your case. But if the community can't get blizzard to do anything how is this game to stay alive the entire point here is that getting sponsors and shit isnt going to help THE CASUAL GAMER. Without casual gamers you have no community. Nobody in this thread is a professional gamer we are all casual gamers and while we might be already hooked on starcraft you need new fans we cannot survive forever on the same community we have had for years. The point destiny is making is that you need more casual gamers for a community and at this point in time there is no incentive to play this game unless you are a professional. So when people go on their computer they say holy shit why the fuck would I play sc2 when I could play a user friendly game like dota2 or LoL. The only thing the community CAN do is be the community. We're here for SC2. That's all we can actually do. I wish we could just tweet at Blizzard every time we wanted something to get done, but unfortunately that isn't possible. What you and I can do for starcraft is stick around, support tournaments and players by watching streams and shows and stuff. I haven't played a game of SC2 in months, but I'm still a part of the SC2 community. The community should focus on making the best viewer experience they can, and hopefully that will cause people to come in and see it and stay.
So with that logic were just suppose to sit here and let blizzard shit on us and we stay despite getting treated like dogshit? thats is terrible fucking logic. When everyone has switched to LoL itll be to late for blizzard to say we fucked up were going to change that
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On October 25 2012 01:11 colossusFTW wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 01:07 Golbat wrote:On October 25 2012 00:43 colossusFTW wrote:On October 25 2012 00:36 vultdylan wrote:On October 25 2012 00:31 colossusFTW wrote:On October 25 2012 00:27 xzidez wrote:
I hate to admit it but destiny is right. Don't you remember the shitstorm that spread through internet like a wildfire when blizzard announced that you had to use real name on the official forums after BNet 2.0 release ?
Its not that blizzard doesn't care. Its that they care even more about the actual $$ they get on the game.. and this crap is the worst PR nightmare they can possible get. There is no way they can avoid it now, similar to when they said you were supposed to use your real name.
If we people would just have sucked it up like idra and incontrol is suggesting and doing "what we can" instead of getting all mental over the forums.. we would have been forced to use real names.. And guess what? We don't..,. EXACTLY what the fuck can we do!!?? rhetorical question we can not do jack shit as a community with out blizzard what is the community going to get together in a huge circle jerk and hack blizzard so we can implement the changes we want? the problems ly with blizzard so idra and incontrols point that we as a community can only do what we do is fucking ridiculous we cant do shit about blizzard being fucked only blizzard can. They weren't trying to say that the community can influence what Blizzard is doing, they even said it. They said there is no use trying to coerce Blizzard into changing the game because even after two years of trying to do that, they have had enough of the lack of response on Blizzard's end. It is what the community can do to increase the quality of production of things like tournaments and leagues to increase interest in e-sports that they want to work for. They know they can't change the game that Blizzard makes, but rather the way the public views it and how competition is put out there. BTW clean up your vocabulary. I have seen you on other threads, and it is rather immature. And it doesn't help your case. But if the community can't get blizzard to do anything how is this game to stay alive the entire point here is that getting sponsors and shit isnt going to help THE CASUAL GAMER. Without casual gamers you have no community. Nobody in this thread is a professional gamer we are all casual gamers and while we might be already hooked on starcraft you need new fans we cannot survive forever on the same community we have had for years. The point destiny is making is that you need more casual gamers for a community and at this point in time there is no incentive to play this game unless you are a professional. So when people go on their computer they say holy shit why the fuck would I play sc2 when I could play a user friendly game like dota2 or LoL. The only thing the community CAN do is be the community. We're here for SC2. That's all we can actually do. I wish we could just tweet at Blizzard every time we wanted something to get done, but unfortunately that isn't possible. What you and I can do for starcraft is stick around, support tournaments and players by watching streams and shows and stuff. I haven't played a game of SC2 in months, but I'm still a part of the SC2 community. The community should focus on making the best viewer experience they can, and hopefully that will cause people to come in and see it and stay. So with that logic were just suppose to sit here and let blizzard shit on us and we stay despite getting treated like dogshit? thats is terrible fucking logic. When everyone has switched to LoL itll be to late for blizzard to say we fucked up were going to change that
Let Blizzard shit on us? Why are you so entitled?
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On October 25 2012 01:06 xzidez wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 01:00 Plansix wrote:On October 25 2012 00:56 xzidez wrote:On October 25 2012 00:31 colossusFTW wrote:On October 25 2012 00:27 xzidez wrote:
I hate to admit it but destiny is right. Don't you remember the shitstorm that spread through internet like a wildfire when blizzard announced that you had to use real name on the official forums after BNet 2.0 release ?
Its not that blizzard doesn't care. Its that they care even more about the actual $$ they get on the game.. and this crap is the worst PR nightmare they can possible get. There is no way they can avoid it now, similar to when they said you were supposed to use your real name.
If we people would just have sucked it up like idra and incontrol is suggesting and doing "what we can" instead of getting all mental over the forums.. we would have been forced to use real names.. And guess what? We don't..,. EXACTLY what the fuck can we do!!?? rhetorical question we can not do jack shit as a community with out blizzard what is the community going to get together in a huge circle jerk and hack blizzard so we can implement the changes we want? the problems ly with blizzard so idra and incontrols point that we as a community can only do what we do is fucking ridiculous we cant do shit about blizzard being fucked only blizzard can. Did you even read what I wrote? What we can do is show Blizzard that its not acceptable the way it works now. Of course we cant make the actual implementations ourselves, but we can show blizzard that this is something that we need. Similar to how "we" handled the real name issue. And that's the part that I hate to admit.. The only way to get blizzard to actually listen is go full shitstorm... kinda how everything looks right now. So I wouldn't be suprised to see a blue within the next week announcing something that will "soothe" us down..Exactly how its always been with Blizzard. Oh, and another matter to prove my point. Chats was NOT a part of Bnet 2.0... people went fucking mental on forums.. behaved like assholes in response to the "Do you really want chat rooms?"-bullshit. And look where we are now.. we have chat rooms.. even if its a bad implementation. Question: Does the LoL client have chat rooms? I have never noticed them beyond the party options, which B.net 2.0 has. I know Valve does and they are "passable", though mostly filled with trade spamming. Yes it does...Bottom right beside your friend list (Just like in Bnet)
Why are we not freaking out at Riot for not having chat rooms? Also, LoL launched in 2009 without replays or spectator mode. Also no system to punish people for DCing and a limited reporting system. And no replays. Spectator mode was not added until May, 2012. So it took them three years to add in spectator mode and it was added 5 months ago.
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On October 25 2012 01:11 colossusFTW wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 01:07 Golbat wrote:On October 25 2012 00:43 colossusFTW wrote:On October 25 2012 00:36 vultdylan wrote:On October 25 2012 00:31 colossusFTW wrote:On October 25 2012 00:27 xzidez wrote:
I hate to admit it but destiny is right. Don't you remember the shitstorm that spread through internet like a wildfire when blizzard announced that you had to use real name on the official forums after BNet 2.0 release ?
Its not that blizzard doesn't care. Its that they care even more about the actual $$ they get on the game.. and this crap is the worst PR nightmare they can possible get. There is no way they can avoid it now, similar to when they said you were supposed to use your real name.
If we people would just have sucked it up like idra and incontrol is suggesting and doing "what we can" instead of getting all mental over the forums.. we would have been forced to use real names.. And guess what? We don't..,. EXACTLY what the fuck can we do!!?? rhetorical question we can not do jack shit as a community with out blizzard what is the community going to get together in a huge circle jerk and hack blizzard so we can implement the changes we want? the problems ly with blizzard so idra and incontrols point that we as a community can only do what we do is fucking ridiculous we cant do shit about blizzard being fucked only blizzard can. They weren't trying to say that the community can influence what Blizzard is doing, they even said it. They said there is no use trying to coerce Blizzard into changing the game because even after two years of trying to do that, they have had enough of the lack of response on Blizzard's end. It is what the community can do to increase the quality of production of things like tournaments and leagues to increase interest in e-sports that they want to work for. They know they can't change the game that Blizzard makes, but rather the way the public views it and how competition is put out there. BTW clean up your vocabulary. I have seen you on other threads, and it is rather immature. And it doesn't help your case. But if the community can't get blizzard to do anything how is this game to stay alive the entire point here is that getting sponsors and shit isnt going to help THE CASUAL GAMER. Without casual gamers you have no community. Nobody in this thread is a professional gamer we are all casual gamers and while we might be already hooked on starcraft you need new fans we cannot survive forever on the same community we have had for years. The point destiny is making is that you need more casual gamers for a community and at this point in time there is no incentive to play this game unless you are a professional. So when people go on their computer they say holy shit why the fuck would I play sc2 when I could play a user friendly game like dota2 or LoL. The only thing the community CAN do is be the community. We're here for SC2. That's all we can actually do. I wish we could just tweet at Blizzard every time we wanted something to get done, but unfortunately that isn't possible. What you and I can do for starcraft is stick around, support tournaments and players by watching streams and shows and stuff. I haven't played a game of SC2 in months, but I'm still a part of the SC2 community. The community should focus on making the best viewer experience they can, and hopefully that will cause people to come in and see it and stay. So with that logic were just suppose to sit here and let blizzard shit on us and we stay despite getting treated like dogshit? thats is terrible fucking logic. When everyone has switched to LoL itll be to late for blizzard to say we fucked up were going to change that
So what would you have the community do? Seeing as yelling at Blizzard at what we want hasn't done anything.
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