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On October 25 2012 00:08 Urasim wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 00:03 DKR wrote:
My god, how is anyone on Destiny's side? Just listened to it and he spent the whole time trying to interrupt people, shouting, spitting his dummy out.
He didn't listen to a single point raised and the scene would be better for him gone. He actually stopped and agreed with some of their points... What I think is the most surprising thing about the show, was at the end of the show, they all agreed that Blizzard fucked up and they need to fix it. So, they actually agree with Destiny they are just to ashamed to say "we agree with most of Desiny's points".
Did you even watch the show? Idra and Incontrol agreed with Destiny multiple times, and Destiny kept blindly shouting the same thing over and over. I think Incontrol was being too nice at the start when he said Destiny is usually intelligent besides that post. Destiny is rarely, if ever, intelligent and last night proved it.
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On October 25 2012 00:13 Wingblade wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 00:08 Urasim wrote:On October 25 2012 00:03 DKR wrote:
My god, how is anyone on Destiny's side? Just listened to it and he spent the whole time trying to interrupt people, shouting, spitting his dummy out.
He didn't listen to a single point raised and the scene would be better for him gone. He actually stopped and agreed with some of their points... What I think is the most surprising thing about the show, was at the end of the show, they all agreed that Blizzard fucked up and they need to fix it. So, they actually agree with Destiny they are just to ashamed to say "we agree with most of Desiny's points". Did you even watch the show? Idra and Incontrol agreed with Destiny multiple times, and Destiny kept blindly shouting the same thing over and over. I think Incontrol was being too nice at the start when he said Destiny is usually intelligent besides that post. Destiny is rarely, if ever, intelligent and last night proved it.
The real question is DID YOU WATCH THE SHOW? Incontrol ranted and insulted destiny for 15 straight fucking minutes before destiny got on the show and destiny joins completely calm THEN incontrol typical does a rndy savage impression of destiny screaming into the mic wtf is destiny just supposed to not say anything ? Its such a double fucking standard that incontrol can act like this but destiny retorts and he's unacceptable. And lets not forget the self proclaimed face of e-sports (hahahahaha) incontrol acted like this and started it first.
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Thing got too emotional coz of their feelings about BW. Destiny really shouldn't have said stuff like "i can't believe as somebody from BW .....etc".
Somehow imo whole thing would've turned out a lot better if IdrA took the debate 1v1 with Destiny
Was listening to the mp3 version, Wheat's explosion freaked me out lmao
On October 25 2012 00:17 colossusFTW wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 00:13 Wingblade wrote:On October 25 2012 00:08 Urasim wrote:On October 25 2012 00:03 DKR wrote:
My god, how is anyone on Destiny's side? Just listened to it and he spent the whole time trying to interrupt people, shouting, spitting his dummy out.
He didn't listen to a single point raised and the scene would be better for him gone. He actually stopped and agreed with some of their points... What I think is the most surprising thing about the show, was at the end of the show, they all agreed that Blizzard fucked up and they need to fix it. So, they actually agree with Destiny they are just to ashamed to say "we agree with most of Desiny's points". Did you even watch the show? Idra and Incontrol agreed with Destiny multiple times, and Destiny kept blindly shouting the same thing over and over. I think Incontrol was being too nice at the start when he said Destiny is usually intelligent besides that post. Destiny is rarely, if ever, intelligent and last night proved it. The real question is DID YOU WATCH THE SHOW? Incontrol ranted and insulted destiny for 15 straight fucking minutes before destiny got on the show and destiny joins completely calm THEN incontrol typical does a rndy savage impression of destiny screaming into the mic wtf is destiny just supposed to not say anything ? Its such a double fucking standard that incontrol can act like this but destiny retorts and he's unacceptable. And lets not forget the self proclaimed face of e-sports (hahahahaha) incontrol acted like this and started it first.
So an eye for an eye? Destiny would've come out waaaaaaaaaay better if he just stayed calm.
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Fucking disgusting show last night, not only destiny who acted like a child, you all did.
-wheat didnt even understand what the discussion was about. Talking about what SC has done for other esports? What the fuck does that have to do with blizzard not supporting their game. Going fucking apeshit when destiny left the show, very mature.
-incontroll and idra high fiving eachother like some teenage bullies after attacking destiny.
-Destiny screaming like a kid the entire time.
Im glad SOTG is back......
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On October 25 2012 00:17 colossusFTW wrote:
The real question is DID YOU WATCH THE SHOW? Incontrol ranted and insulted destiny for 15 straight fucking minutes before destiny got on the show and destiny joins completely calm THEN incontrol typical does a rndy savage impression of destiny screaming into the mic wtf is destiny just supposed to not say anything ? Its such a double fucking standard that incontrol can act like this but destiny retorts and he's unacceptable. And lets not forget the self proclaimed face of e-sports (hahahahaha) incontrol acted like this and started it first.
Dude. They both flamed each other constantly for 15 minutes. Neither "started it". They both had childish flames at each other. They both didn't listen or understand the other side. They both repeated the same shit. More people like Destiny. That's the LCD.
Stop blind fanboying.
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On October 25 2012 00:13 Wingblade wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 00:08 Urasim wrote:On October 25 2012 00:03 DKR wrote:
My god, how is anyone on Destiny's side? Just listened to it and he spent the whole time trying to interrupt people, shouting, spitting his dummy out.
He didn't listen to a single point raised and the scene would be better for him gone. He actually stopped and agreed with some of their points... What I think is the most surprising thing about the show, was at the end of the show, they all agreed that Blizzard fucked up and they need to fix it. So, they actually agree with Destiny they are just to ashamed to say "we agree with most of Desiny's points". Did you even watch the show? Idra and Incontrol agreed with Destiny multiple times, and Destiny kept blindly shouting the same thing over and over. I think Incontrol was being too nice at the start when he said Destiny is usually intelligent besides that post. Destiny is rarely, if ever, intelligent and last night proved it.
Then why did Incontrol have to say it was the stupidest thing he have ever read? He agreed with Destiny in a lot of ways, yet he still felt the need to open the debate by such a personal attack. I am convinced that had Incontrol opened by debating in a more polite ways, Destinty wouldn't have been so aggressive in the debate as well. I definitely give Incontrol the primary responsibility for the outcome of the debate.
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On October 25 2012 00:10 colossusFTW wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 00:02 Wingblade wrote:On October 24 2012 23:32 monkybone wrote:On October 24 2012 23:30 Golbat wrote:
Here's my objective take on the situation:
Destiny is correct, to a point. The onus is in fact on Blizzard to improve their game. Chat channels, a better way for UMS maps to be played by casuals, unranked 1v1, whatever. The problem is that Blizzard not only knows that they need to fix all those things, they know that we know that they know they need to fix all those things. And they still don't do it. No amount of #saveHotS twitter bombs or whiny reddit threads are going to make blizzard do anything.
This is where iNcontoL, IdrA, and DJWheat come in. They know that this is the case. They also know that there are things they can do that have the potential to increase or at least hold steady the amount of people participating in SC2 as an eSport. So they do them. They aren't worried about what Blizzard is or is not doing. They know that it's pathetic for there to be "lag screens at Blizzcon", but they can't make those lag screens not happen. So they focus on other things, things that they can improve and change.
And that is the real difference between what Destiny was saying and what ITG was saying.
On another note, I think DJWheat's "explosion" after Destiny hung up was not only warranted, but completely the response I was expecting from him. Because let's be honest, it was a "pussy-ass cop-out" on Destiny's part. The entire argument devolved into something that was deliciously devoid of fluff, which is why I watch DJWheat's shows in the first place. Glad someone feels the same way as me about this. Same here. Amazing that Idra/Incontrol make all the rational points and people support the screaming, ignorant buffoon(Destiny). This is the guy we essentially evicted from our community for his lack of common sense now screaming Doomsday prophecies like the guys preparing for the end of the Mayan calendar. And people ARE ACTUALLY BUYING IT. Another mindless incontrol follower You blind yourself to what really happened. Incontrol ranted shitting on destiny FOR 15 MINUTES BEFORE DESTINY GOT ON THE CALL. And even then destiny was calm until incontrol thought everone thinks im hilarious let me do a screaming randy savage impression which is why destiny started yelling in the first place. when painuser said lets keep this civil incontrol even admitted he started yelling first because of the randy savage impression at least have a mind of your own.
Im an Incontrol supporter... Ooook. Incontrol is the worst Protoss player to ever call himself a "professional" gamer. Incontrol was not very civil in that argument. I didn't say anything about Incontrol. Idra was the intelligent one actually making good points. DjWheat's TV show comparison was very good as well. Destiny shouted the same exact damn thing every time he spoke. And Idra agreed with him, and explained his counter viewpoint. So Destiny shouted THE SAME POINT IDRA AGREED WITH. And then he acts like a little child with the "hahaha I get the last word!" routine that I pulled in GRADE SCHOOL. Destiny is an immature child with a blatant lack of common sense. Don't call me a blind Incontrol follower when it's pretty obvious your a Destiny fanboy.
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On October 25 2012 00:17 colossusFTW wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 00:13 Wingblade wrote:On October 25 2012 00:08 Urasim wrote:On October 25 2012 00:03 DKR wrote:
My god, how is anyone on Destiny's side? Just listened to it and he spent the whole time trying to interrupt people, shouting, spitting his dummy out.
He didn't listen to a single point raised and the scene would be better for him gone. He actually stopped and agreed with some of their points... What I think is the most surprising thing about the show, was at the end of the show, they all agreed that Blizzard fucked up and they need to fix it. So, they actually agree with Destiny they are just to ashamed to say "we agree with most of Desiny's points". Did you even watch the show? Idra and Incontrol agreed with Destiny multiple times, and Destiny kept blindly shouting the same thing over and over. I think Incontrol was being too nice at the start when he said Destiny is usually intelligent besides that post. Destiny is rarely, if ever, intelligent and last night proved it. The real question is DID YOU WATCH THE SHOW? Incontrol ranted and insulted destiny for 15 straight fucking minutes before destiny got on the show and destiny joins completely calm THEN incontrol typical does a rndy savage impression of destiny screaming into the mic wtf is destiny just supposed to not say anything ? Its such a double fucking standard that incontrol can act like this but destiny retorts and he's unacceptable. And lets not forget the self proclaimed face of e-sports (hahahahaha) incontrol acted like this and started it first.
Idra and Incontrol did agree on most of the stuff that Destiny was saying. They'd didn't agree on how Destiny said that only Blizzard can fix the game. They also didn't agree on how Destiny went about using his status as a Starcraft 2 pro gamer to stir up this drama storm.
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On October 25 2012 00:19 eauxlune wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 00:17 colossusFTW wrote:
The real question is DID YOU WATCH THE SHOW? Incontrol ranted and insulted destiny for 15 straight fucking minutes before destiny got on the show and destiny joins completely calm THEN incontrol typical does a rndy savage impression of destiny screaming into the mic wtf is destiny just supposed to not say anything ? Its such a double fucking standard that incontrol can act like this but destiny retorts and he's unacceptable. And lets not forget the self proclaimed face of e-sports (hahahahaha) incontrol acted like this and started it first. Dude. They both flamed each other constantly for 15 minutes. Neither "started it". They both had childish flames at each other. They both didn't listen or understand the other side. They both repeated the same shit. More people like Destiny. That's the LCD. Stop blind fanboying.
NOBODY STARTED IT HAHAHAHAHA even after incontrol bashed destiny for 15 minutes before he got on destiny got in on call and said whats up guys I heard shits going down on here. And incontrol typically started yelling saying how stupid he was if Incontrol didnt start just kill me now
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On October 25 2012 00:19 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 00:13 Wingblade wrote:On October 25 2012 00:08 Urasim wrote:On October 25 2012 00:03 DKR wrote:
My god, how is anyone on Destiny's side? Just listened to it and he spent the whole time trying to interrupt people, shouting, spitting his dummy out.
He didn't listen to a single point raised and the scene would be better for him gone. He actually stopped and agreed with some of their points... What I think is the most surprising thing about the show, was at the end of the show, they all agreed that Blizzard fucked up and they need to fix it. So, they actually agree with Destiny they are just to ashamed to say "we agree with most of Desiny's points". Did you even watch the show? Idra and Incontrol agreed with Destiny multiple times, and Destiny kept blindly shouting the same thing over and over. I think Incontrol was being too nice at the start when he said Destiny is usually intelligent besides that post. Destiny is rarely, if ever, intelligent and last night proved it. Then why did Incontrol have to say it was the stupidest thing he have ever read? He agreed with Destiny in a lot of ways, yet he still felt the need to open the debate by such a personal attack. I am convinced that had Incontrol opened by debating in a more polite ways, Destinty wouldn't have been so aggressive in the debate as well. I definitely give Incontrol the primary responsibility for the outcome of the debate.
Let's hop off Incontrols dick now. We know he was a moron last night. Idra was the intelligent one. Incontrol and Destiny were little kids having a fight at school recess and Idra was making rational points that Destiny never once even responded to. Destiny and Incontrol just shouted at each other.
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On October 25 2012 00:13 Wingblade wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 00:08 Urasim wrote:On October 25 2012 00:03 DKR wrote:
My god, how is anyone on Destiny's side? Just listened to it and he spent the whole time trying to interrupt people, shouting, spitting his dummy out.
He didn't listen to a single point raised and the scene would be better for him gone. He actually stopped and agreed with some of their points... What I think is the most surprising thing about the show, was at the end of the show, they all agreed that Blizzard fucked up and they need to fix it. So, they actually agree with Destiny they are just to ashamed to say "we agree with most of Desiny's points". Did you even watch the show? Idra and Incontrol agreed with Destiny multiple times, and Destiny kept blindly shouting the same thing over and over. I think Incontrol was being too nice at the start when he said Destiny is usually intelligent besides that post. Destiny is rarely, if ever, intelligent and last night proved it.
I wouldn't go as far as saying Destiny isn't intelligent, rather I do believe that he is completely immature over the whole matter. They brought him on the show in order to hear his point and for him to disprove any allegations that he is being dumb about the pitchfork post he had. Rather than try to explain himself and prove his point with the support of solid evidence, he screamed and said the same thing over and over, "ITS ALL BLIZZARD'S FAULT etc. etc."
This is where the line was drawn for me. Sure, I do agree with some of the points Destiny has, since he seems to have a completely different perspective than most pros nowadays, but the fact that he had to interrupt everyone who was trying to give their input by raising his voice and shouting profanities.
Yes, the whole argument blew way out of proportion, but I believe that iNcontroL and IdrA were rightfully trying to explain to Destiny that there is no use relying on Blizzard to make changes, but rather the community should try to figure out a way to continue the growth of SCII and make it as successful as games like LoL. Destiny is saying these things and blaming not only Blizzard, but a lot of the community for the downfall of SCII as an e-sport in comparison to others. But, what I think people don't realize is that instead of making mature claims and introducing potential solutions for this problem that are under our control (and not under that of Blizzard's), he completely blew off every rebuttal iTG had, which justifies the comment IdrA said about how Destiny should quit bantering and switch games if he wants.
The fact that people are up in arms over iNcontroL and IdrA making these comments is ignorant. Destiny fans are saying that they should apologize for what they said, due to the fact that they were inappropriate and really have no influence because of their lack of recent results. But, when had Destiny had results, or rather, when has Destiny EVER expressed his care for the community and growth of the game? He has been kicked off teams for lack of maturity, and he has pretty much dedicated most of his (streaming) time to games other than SCII, yet you take his claims to be the messiah of the SCII competitive scene.
No one on iTG is at fault for the argument, and none of them should apologize, because they respected Destiny and brought him on the show in the first place to prove people wrong in terms of his opinion, but he ruined that for himself.
PS: Props to PainUser for being neutral on the issues. Sure, he is not a renowned player or anything, but he definitely expressed the need for balanced discussions and really wanted both sides to come together in a safe and unbiased manner.
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I think both Destiny and iNc/Wheat had good points. All one party had to do to make the other look silly was act with some civility, and they all blew it.
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On October 25 2012 00:20 Wingblade wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 00:10 colossusFTW wrote:On October 25 2012 00:02 Wingblade wrote:On October 24 2012 23:32 monkybone wrote:On October 24 2012 23:30 Golbat wrote:
Here's my objective take on the situation:
Destiny is correct, to a point. The onus is in fact on Blizzard to improve their game. Chat channels, a better way for UMS maps to be played by casuals, unranked 1v1, whatever. The problem is that Blizzard not only knows that they need to fix all those things, they know that we know that they know they need to fix all those things. And they still don't do it. No amount of #saveHotS twitter bombs or whiny reddit threads are going to make blizzard do anything.
This is where iNcontoL, IdrA, and DJWheat come in. They know that this is the case. They also know that there are things they can do that have the potential to increase or at least hold steady the amount of people participating in SC2 as an eSport. So they do them. They aren't worried about what Blizzard is or is not doing. They know that it's pathetic for there to be "lag screens at Blizzcon", but they can't make those lag screens not happen. So they focus on other things, things that they can improve and change.
And that is the real difference between what Destiny was saying and what ITG was saying.
On another note, I think DJWheat's "explosion" after Destiny hung up was not only warranted, but completely the response I was expecting from him. Because let's be honest, it was a "pussy-ass cop-out" on Destiny's part. The entire argument devolved into something that was deliciously devoid of fluff, which is why I watch DJWheat's shows in the first place. Glad someone feels the same way as me about this. Same here. Amazing that Idra/Incontrol make all the rational points and people support the screaming, ignorant buffoon(Destiny). This is the guy we essentially evicted from our community for his lack of common sense now screaming Doomsday prophecies like the guys preparing for the end of the Mayan calendar. And people ARE ACTUALLY BUYING IT. Another mindless incontrol follower You blind yourself to what really happened. Incontrol ranted shitting on destiny FOR 15 MINUTES BEFORE DESTINY GOT ON THE CALL. And even then destiny was calm until incontrol thought everone thinks im hilarious let me do a screaming randy savage impression which is why destiny started yelling in the first place. when painuser said lets keep this civil incontrol even admitted he started yelling first because of the randy savage impression at least have a mind of your own. Im an Incontrol supporter... Ooook. Incontrol is the worst Protoss player to ever call himself a "professional" gamer. Incontrol was not very civil in that argument. I didn't say anything about Incontrol. Idra was the intelligent one actually making good points. DjWheat's TV show comparison was very good as well. Destiny shouted the same exact damn thing every time he spoke. And Idra agreed with him, and explained his counter viewpoint. So Destiny shouted THE SAME POINT IDRA AGREED WITH. And then he acts like a little child with the "hahaha I get the last word!" routine that I pulled in GRADE SCHOOL. Destiny is an immature child with a blatant lack of common sense. Don't call me a blind Incontrol follower when it's pretty obvious your a Destiny fanboy.
It was a 3v1 debate for an hour with idra throwing snyde ass little remarks in there go back to lol and shit like idra has done anything for the community lately whens the last time idra placed top 8 ? 2010? And he has the audacity to act like that when he even says he's only in it for the money like he actually cares about us the community ? give me a fucking break.
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so much mad because of one show.
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I hate to admit it but destiny is right. Don't you remember the shitstorm that spread through internet like a wildfire when blizzard announced that you had to use real name on the official forums after BNet 2.0 release ?
Its not that blizzard doesn't care. Its that they care even more about the actual $$ they get on the game.. and this crap is the worst PR nightmare they can possible get. There is no way they can avoid it now, similar to when they said you were supposed to use your real name.
If we people would just have sucked it up like idra and incontrol is suggesting and doing "what we can" instead of getting all mental over the forums.. we would have been forced to use real names.. And guess what? We don't..,.
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On October 25 2012 00:19 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 00:13 Wingblade wrote:On October 25 2012 00:08 Urasim wrote:On October 25 2012 00:03 DKR wrote:
My god, how is anyone on Destiny's side? Just listened to it and he spent the whole time trying to interrupt people, shouting, spitting his dummy out.
He didn't listen to a single point raised and the scene would be better for him gone. He actually stopped and agreed with some of their points... What I think is the most surprising thing about the show, was at the end of the show, they all agreed that Blizzard fucked up and they need to fix it. So, they actually agree with Destiny they are just to ashamed to say "we agree with most of Desiny's points". Did you even watch the show? Idra and Incontrol agreed with Destiny multiple times, and Destiny kept blindly shouting the same thing over and over. I think Incontrol was being too nice at the start when he said Destiny is usually intelligent besides that post. Destiny is rarely, if ever, intelligent and last night proved it. Then why did Incontrol have to say it was the stupidest thing he have ever read? He agreed with Destiny in a lot of ways, yet he still felt the need to open the debate by such a personal attack. I am convinced that had Incontrol opened by debating in a more polite ways, Destinty wouldn't have been so aggressive in the debate as well. I definitely give Incontrol the primary responsibility for the outcome of the debate.
Honestly, I doubt Destiny would have even wanted on the show if incontroll would have been more mature about the subject. He wanted on to defend his points because he was getting bashed so hard by someone who wasn't even debating the points.
His rant, before Destiny came on, was just insulting Destiny. He didn't once say what was good or bad about them. He just stated over and over that Destiny was dumb for making them. How can you say that you have years of debating from college, or whatever, and scream hate for 15 minutes not debating anything. Pretty sure he failed his debate class if that is how he debates.
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What episode are we talking about?
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On October 25 2012 00:27 xzidez wrote:
I hate to admit it but destiny is right. Don't you remember the shitstorm that spread through internet like a wildfire when blizzard announced that you had to use real name on the official forums after BNet 2.0 release ?
Its not that blizzard doesn't care. Its that they care even more about the actual $$ they get on the game.. and this crap is the worst PR nightmare they can possible get. There is no way they can avoid it now, similar to when they said you were supposed to use your real name.
If we people would just have sucked it up like idra and incontrol is suggesting and doing "what we can" instead of getting all mental over the forums.. we would have been forced to use real names.. And guess what? We don't..,.
EXACTLY what the fuck can we do!!?? rhetorical question we can not do jack shit as a community with out blizzard what is the community going to get together in a huge circle jerk and hack blizzard so we can implement the changes we want? the problems ly with blizzard so idra and incontrols point that we as a community can only do what we do is fucking ridiculous we cant do shit about blizzard being fucked only blizzard can.
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Painuser is my intellectual hero (in the sc2 realm :p): he fended off dissonance with a graceful demeanor, did not try to out-show others with his epeen, and managed to look like the only adult without a glaring conflict of interest.
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On October 25 2012 00:19 Dotq wrote:
Fucking disgusting show last night, not only destiny who acted like a child, you all did.
-wheat didnt even understand what the discussion was about. Talking about what SC has done for other esports? What the fuck does that have to do with blizzard not supporting their game. Going fucking apeshit when destiny left the show, very mature.
-incontroll and idra high fiving eachother like some teenage bullies after attacking destiny.
-Destiny screaming like a kid the entire time.
Im glad SOTG is back......
SC2 has been an innovator since its release. Companies have always delivered the best products with SC2 at the forefront of their competitions. Valve and Riot have been studying this and have applied what they've learned to strengthen their own broadcasts.
Destiny is afraid of LoL snuffing out SC2's life. WHEAT pointed out that LoL can do what it currently does during broadcasts because of the examples made by SC2. These games are not just competing, but also teaching each other valuable lessons to help them grow during tournaments, etc. You want to know how the growth of LoL, which has been boosted by SC2 success, can help grow SC2? Just go read Destiny's list of ideas for what to implement in SC2. Just about every idea has already been implemented in that game.
So no, the talk of SC2 having paved the way for other titles didn't have anything to do with Blizzard not supporting the game. Just as IdrA and iNcontroL said, Blizzard isn't all we should be concerned about. What that talk did reveal, or at least allude to, was that major tournaments and their broadcasts have always been finding ways to improve upon themselves. Those improvements aren't just issued in that same title's next broadcast, but in the whatever title's next broadcast. The learning process becomes a fraction of what it would be in a segregated environment.
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