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On October 25 2012 01:41 Mordiford wrote:
The thing is, Destiny was an absolute ass the entire time and copped out at the end, and I was agreeing with what IdrA, inControl and Wheat were saying but they came off so poorly in how they argued that the entire end of that episode was a shit-show.
I agree that Desinty was a little too over the edge, don't think he was an ass though.
But wanna know why he acted like he did? Because Incontrol opened the debate by making a huge personal shitstorm attack on Destiny. This created this terrible debate overheated debate. It's really how to keep your emotion when you get shitted on like that, and the despictable Incontrol is the main guy to problem for this debate (that high five is the worst thing I have ever seen).
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On October 25 2012 02:09 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 02:01 colossusFTW wrote:On October 25 2012 01:31 Lazarusnpx wrote:On October 25 2012 01:11 colossusFTW wrote:On October 25 2012 01:07 Golbat wrote:On October 25 2012 00:43 colossusFTW wrote:On October 25 2012 00:36 vultdylan wrote:On October 25 2012 00:31 colossusFTW wrote:On October 25 2012 00:27 xzidez wrote:
I hate to admit it but destiny is right. Don't you remember the shitstorm that spread through internet like a wildfire when blizzard announced that you had to use real name on the official forums after BNet 2.0 release ?
Its not that blizzard doesn't care. Its that they care even more about the actual $$ they get on the game.. and this crap is the worst PR nightmare they can possible get. There is no way they can avoid it now, similar to when they said you were supposed to use your real name.
If we people would just have sucked it up like idra and incontrol is suggesting and doing "what we can" instead of getting all mental over the forums.. we would have been forced to use real names.. And guess what? We don't..,. EXACTLY what the fuck can we do!!?? rhetorical question we can not do jack shit as a community with out blizzard what is the community going to get together in a huge circle jerk and hack blizzard so we can implement the changes we want? the problems ly with blizzard so idra and incontrols point that we as a community can only do what we do is fucking ridiculous we cant do shit about blizzard being fucked only blizzard can. They weren't trying to say that the community can influence what Blizzard is doing, they even said it. They said there is no use trying to coerce Blizzard into changing the game because even after two years of trying to do that, they have had enough of the lack of response on Blizzard's end. It is what the community can do to increase the quality of production of things like tournaments and leagues to increase interest in e-sports that they want to work for. They know they can't change the game that Blizzard makes, but rather the way the public views it and how competition is put out there. BTW clean up your vocabulary. I have seen you on other threads, and it is rather immature. And it doesn't help your case. But if the community can't get blizzard to do anything how is this game to stay alive the entire point here is that getting sponsors and shit isnt going to help THE CASUAL GAMER. Without casual gamers you have no community. Nobody in this thread is a professional gamer we are all casual gamers and while we might be already hooked on starcraft you need new fans we cannot survive forever on the same community we have had for years. The point destiny is making is that you need more casual gamers for a community and at this point in time there is no incentive to play this game unless you are a professional. So when people go on their computer they say holy shit why the fuck would I play sc2 when I could play a user friendly game like dota2 or LoL. The only thing the community CAN do is be the community. We're here for SC2. That's all we can actually do. I wish we could just tweet at Blizzard every time we wanted something to get done, but unfortunately that isn't possible. What you and I can do for starcraft is stick around, support tournaments and players by watching streams and shows and stuff. I haven't played a game of SC2 in months, but I'm still a part of the SC2 community. The community should focus on making the best viewer experience they can, and hopefully that will cause people to come in and see it and stay. So with that logic were just suppose to sit here and let blizzard shit on us and we stay despite getting treated like dogshit? thats is terrible fucking logic. When everyone has switched to LoL itll be to late for blizzard to say we fucked up were going to change that no, we fucking stay here because we love SC2, we either love to watch it or to play it or both, and we will keep nagging blizzard about all this issues. This is NOT a new issue, people been rightfully bitching to blizzard about this since the game came out and if ever they fix everything that is asked we will find new things to ask because we love the game. What the community can do is keep what they are doing and improving on it, try to get more content out there, try to get more people to enjoy the game and help wherever we can. I, and most people on TL i would suppose, am here because i do enjoy SC2, and games will always be restricted by what they are in their true nature. All i am going to do is keep following the scene and the game BECAUSE I ENJOY IT, and people like djwheat, day9, incontrol, tastosis, etc will keep putting out the content because they enjoy doing it and there are still people who care for more then numbers. That is the fault in destiny doomsday prophecy, SC2 started because people enjoyed it, and it will keep going on when people who dont realy enjoy it and just jump on it because it is the trend leave bahahaha Tasteless has already started castin LoL hahahahaha Geee, I wonder if he is casting LoL in Korea because GOM asked him to.....I wonder if it is because there are no other english casters in Korea for LoL? Could it be that GOM is trying to promote its new league by using some of Tasteless's fame to get their league going? Do you really think he is going to say, "No GOM, I will not cast LoL. SC2 is the only game for me and I will never be inolved with that. Fire me if you want, but I am standing by my game and will side with no there?"
Lmao. I am saying LoL is growing and dota2 are expanding and they slowly but surely are dissolving part of our community with it.
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On October 25 2012 02:11 Integra wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 02:08 DarkLordOlli wrote:On October 25 2012 02:06 ACrow wrote:On October 25 2012 02:01 colossusFTW wrote:On October 25 2012 01:31 Lazarusnpx wrote:On October 25 2012 01:11 colossusFTW wrote:On October 25 2012 01:07 Golbat wrote:On October 25 2012 00:43 colossusFTW wrote:On October 25 2012 00:36 vultdylan wrote:On October 25 2012 00:31 colossusFTW wrote:
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EXACTLY what the fuck can we do!!?? rhetorical question we can not do jack shit as a community with out blizzard what is the community going to get together in a huge circle jerk and hack blizzard so we can implement the changes we want? the problems ly with blizzard so idra and incontrols point that we as a community can only do what we do is fucking ridiculous we cant do shit about blizzard being fucked only blizzard can. They weren't trying to say that the community can influence what Blizzard is doing, they even said it. They said there is no use trying to coerce Blizzard into changing the game because even after two years of trying to do that, they have had enough of the lack of response on Blizzard's end. It is what the community can do to increase the quality of production of things like tournaments and leagues to increase interest in e-sports that they want to work for. They know they can't change the game that Blizzard makes, but rather the way the public views it and how competition is put out there. BTW clean up your vocabulary. I have seen you on other threads, and it is rather immature. And it doesn't help your case. But if the community can't get blizzard to do anything how is this game to stay alive the entire point here is that getting sponsors and shit isnt going to help THE CASUAL GAMER. Without casual gamers you have no community. Nobody in this thread is a professional gamer we are all casual gamers and while we might be already hooked on starcraft you need new fans we cannot survive forever on the same community we have had for years. The point destiny is making is that you need more casual gamers for a community and at this point in time there is no incentive to play this game unless you are a professional. So when people go on their computer they say holy shit why the fuck would I play sc2 when I could play a user friendly game like dota2 or LoL. The only thing the community CAN do is be the community. We're here for SC2. That's all we can actually do. I wish we could just tweet at Blizzard every time we wanted something to get done, but unfortunately that isn't possible. What you and I can do for starcraft is stick around, support tournaments and players by watching streams and shows and stuff. I haven't played a game of SC2 in months, but I'm still a part of the SC2 community. The community should focus on making the best viewer experience they can, and hopefully that will cause people to come in and see it and stay. So with that logic were just suppose to sit here and let blizzard shit on us and we stay despite getting treated like dogshit? thats is terrible fucking logic. When everyone has switched to LoL itll be to late for blizzard to say we fucked up were going to change that no, we fucking stay here because we love SC2, we either love to watch it or to play it or both, and we will keep nagging blizzard about all this issues. This is NOT a new issue, people been rightfully bitching to blizzard about this since the game came out and if ever they fix everything that is asked we will find new things to ask because we love the game. What the community can do is keep what they are doing and improving on it, try to get more content out there, try to get more people to enjoy the game and help wherever we can. I, and most people on TL i would suppose, am here because i do enjoy SC2, and games will always be restricted by what they are in their true nature. All i am going to do is keep following the scene and the game BECAUSE I ENJOY IT, and people like djwheat, day9, incontrol, tastosis, etc will keep putting out the content because they enjoy doing it and there are still people who care for more then numbers. That is the fault in destiny doomsday prophecy, SC2 started because people enjoyed it, and it will keep going on when people who dont realy enjoy it and just jump on it because it is the trend leave bahahaha Tasteless has already started castin LoL hahahahaha And he is still casting the exact same amount of SC2 as before, so your point is? I don't really care about him casting LoL but I'd think it's gonna limit his time for keeping up with the SC2 metagame even more if he also wants to be a decent LoL caster. My understanding was that Tasteless is casting LoL as a guest caster until GOM finds an good English speaking commentator to take his place.
Holy shit, logic. Why wouldn't GOM do that? Maybe they should just not have an english stream until they get casters, because that is a much better idea.
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On October 25 2012 02:12 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 01:41 Mordiford wrote:
The thing is, Destiny was an absolute ass the entire time and copped out at the end, and I was agreeing with what IdrA, inControl and Wheat were saying but they came off so poorly in how they argued that the entire end of that episode was a shit-show. I agree that Desinty was a little too over the edge, don't think he was an ass though. But wanna know why he acted like he did? Because Incontrol opened the debate by making a huge personal shitstorm attack on Destiny. This created this terrible debate overheated debate. It's really how to keep your emotion when you get shitted on like that, and the despictable Incontrol is the main guy to problem for this debate (that high five is the worst thing I have ever seen).
http://www.reddit.com/r/ShitRedditSays/comments/120bfn/effort_yet_another_starcraft_player_incontrol/
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On October 25 2012 02:12 Mackus wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 02:01 colossusFTW wrote:On October 25 2012 01:31 Lazarusnpx wrote:On October 25 2012 01:11 colossusFTW wrote:On October 25 2012 01:07 Golbat wrote:On October 25 2012 00:43 colossusFTW wrote:On October 25 2012 00:36 vultdylan wrote:On October 25 2012 00:31 colossusFTW wrote:On October 25 2012 00:27 xzidez wrote:
I hate to admit it but destiny is right. Don't you remember the shitstorm that spread through internet like a wildfire when blizzard announced that you had to use real name on the official forums after BNet 2.0 release ?
Its not that blizzard doesn't care. Its that they care even more about the actual $$ they get on the game.. and this crap is the worst PR nightmare they can possible get. There is no way they can avoid it now, similar to when they said you were supposed to use your real name.
If we people would just have sucked it up like idra and incontrol is suggesting and doing "what we can" instead of getting all mental over the forums.. we would have been forced to use real names.. And guess what? We don't..,. EXACTLY what the fuck can we do!!?? rhetorical question we can not do jack shit as a community with out blizzard what is the community going to get together in a huge circle jerk and hack blizzard so we can implement the changes we want? the problems ly with blizzard so idra and incontrols point that we as a community can only do what we do is fucking ridiculous we cant do shit about blizzard being fucked only blizzard can. They weren't trying to say that the community can influence what Blizzard is doing, they even said it. They said there is no use trying to coerce Blizzard into changing the game because even after two years of trying to do that, they have had enough of the lack of response on Blizzard's end. It is what the community can do to increase the quality of production of things like tournaments and leagues to increase interest in e-sports that they want to work for. They know they can't change the game that Blizzard makes, but rather the way the public views it and how competition is put out there. BTW clean up your vocabulary. I have seen you on other threads, and it is rather immature. And it doesn't help your case. But if the community can't get blizzard to do anything how is this game to stay alive the entire point here is that getting sponsors and shit isnt going to help THE CASUAL GAMER. Without casual gamers you have no community. Nobody in this thread is a professional gamer we are all casual gamers and while we might be already hooked on starcraft you need new fans we cannot survive forever on the same community we have had for years. The point destiny is making is that you need more casual gamers for a community and at this point in time there is no incentive to play this game unless you are a professional. So when people go on their computer they say holy shit why the fuck would I play sc2 when I could play a user friendly game like dota2 or LoL. The only thing the community CAN do is be the community. We're here for SC2. That's all we can actually do. I wish we could just tweet at Blizzard every time we wanted something to get done, but unfortunately that isn't possible. What you and I can do for starcraft is stick around, support tournaments and players by watching streams and shows and stuff. I haven't played a game of SC2 in months, but I'm still a part of the SC2 community. The community should focus on making the best viewer experience they can, and hopefully that will cause people to come in and see it and stay. So with that logic were just suppose to sit here and let blizzard shit on us and we stay despite getting treated like dogshit? thats is terrible fucking logic. When everyone has switched to LoL itll be to late for blizzard to say we fucked up were going to change that no, we fucking stay here because we love SC2, we either love to watch it or to play it or both, and we will keep nagging blizzard about all this issues. This is NOT a new issue, people been rightfully bitching to blizzard about this since the game came out and if ever they fix everything that is asked we will find new things to ask because we love the game. What the community can do is keep what they are doing and improving on it, try to get more content out there, try to get more people to enjoy the game and help wherever we can. I, and most people on TL i would suppose, am here because i do enjoy SC2, and games will always be restricted by what they are in their true nature. All i am going to do is keep following the scene and the game BECAUSE I ENJOY IT, and people like djwheat, day9, incontrol, tastosis, etc will keep putting out the content because they enjoy doing it and there are still people who care for more then numbers. That is the fault in destiny doomsday prophecy, SC2 started because people enjoyed it, and it will keep going on when people who dont realy enjoy it and just jump on it because it is the trend leave bahahaha Tasteless has already started castin LoL hahahahaha He said at the end of the broadcast he was brought in on very-short notice, if you also have a brain bigger than the size of a peapod, you'd also would of heard he's doing Sunday's broadcast and no more, gone, for good, au revoir, back to SC2
Glad to hear they found a replacement, must really been hard on Tasteless to cast two games at the same time due to increased workload and splitting your effort regarding understanding in two games instead of just one, your casting skills can nothing but get worse during those conditions.
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On October 25 2012 02:09 wacksteven wrote:
Wow, so I apparently stopped watching at the wrong time last night...or the right time depending on perspective.
After watching the vod of the rest of the show from last night; I think that a lot of people got a little crazy. Marcus is a passionate individual and will always be. That's why people love him and some people dislike him. Destiny wanted to come on the show and probably against his better judgement djWHEAT brought him on to speak his side of things. Destiny came on and basically continued his rant-post with no real support. The conversation just kind of degrades from there with everyone, tbh. Painuser and IdrA were the voice of reason here. Good job, Taylor and Greg. Geoff was probably trying to be entertaining like he usually is (let's be honest, a lot of people watch him do things cause he's smart and pretty damn funny) and I think he made a few comments that took things too far. If I was Marcus and I had brought someone on my show to speak their mind and then they just outright shit on the hosts and hangup on them - I don't know if I could laugh it off, either.
Now, I think a lot of people failed to recognize that Destiny seems to be speaking more about HIS numbers specifically. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like the main revenue for him is his stream. He is a stream personality, more than a pro player of this game. OF COURSE his perspective is one of actual direct stream numbers for himself. Starcraft II as an esport almost doesn't affect him at all. The general casual interest should be his primary concern, which is what he seems to be pushing for Blizzard to fix. The pros probably wouldn't have any affect on the stuff he wants to change. Since he has kind of thrown out the opportunities to get big sponsors through various choices he has made; I don't blame him for not recognizing what is happening on the other end of the spectrum.
IdrA and iNcontroL are pro players with (again, I'm not sure on this, but I'm guessing) most of their income from salary + sponsors? So, their main monetary concerns are in regards to the overall kind of numbers, and not specifically their direct stream numbers? The overall growth of esports and starcraft as an esport should be a huge help to them as more sponsors will be interested, especially in one of the most highly regarded teams. Their point seemed to be is that it is growing still and not in danger. So, while individual streamers (like Destiny) might be taking a hit directly to their streams, it doesn't affect them as much. They want to argue that creating a more balanced game with better esports support is the way to grow the game, along with supporting the players and events - and I think for them, it definitely is.
djWHEAT also directly benefits from the growth of esports overall as he works for Twitch (and herp derp, numbers going up overall) plus the fact that he has been proven to cover multiple games gives him a lot of flexibility.
I don't blame Destiny or other streaming personalities for SC2 for freaking out as his main source of income is being affected by a drop in individual stream numbers, or diversity in games. I feel like that might have been good to specifically point out.
1) No you are wrong. Everyone's number's is down. DJ wheat manipulated/didn't understand the point of the entire discussion when he said they were up, because he was refferring to esports and not sc2 specifically.
2) You are also wrong here. Idra actually kinded sided with destiny, but he don't think anything can be fixed by tweeting. Incontrol talks about how other factors are more important.
3) DJwheat missed the entire point.
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On October 25 2012 02:12 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 02:02 Urasim wrote:On October 25 2012 02:00 Plansix wrote:On October 25 2012 01:55 Urasim wrote:On October 25 2012 01:52 Plansix wrote:On October 25 2012 01:48 IcariumJhag wrote:On October 24 2012 15:49 iNcontroL wrote:On October 24 2012 15:47 MaestroSC wrote:On October 24 2012 15:42 iNcontroL wrote:
I CAN'T BELIEVE DJWHEAT YELLED ON THE S HOW! I LOST RFESPECT FOR HIMS
Who the FUCK calls themselves a Djwheat fan but is upset by him yelling? That's like loving truly refined and calm debate but being an avid fan of CNN/Fox arguments. What the fuck? lol Djwheat didnt just yell.... he stood out of his chair and screamed that another grown man was a pussy and a bitch and a coward... and claims to be a mature adult... rewatch the rant he goes on. noone would give a shit if he yelled "OMG I LOVE HORSES. THEY ARE AWSOME SOUL-LESS CREATURES" Yup. He yelled at a guy that rage quitted a show he asked to be on and was conversing on. And you want to get upset because he yelled? Ok.. back to /r/destiny with you! It didnt look it was Destiny that was raging in the VOD, more like you and dhwheat losing it. Destiny was pretty rude and raging. I liked the part when he wouldn't let Wheat talk about Blizzard and their lan client. Franking, I can't blame the hosts, I would have screamed at Destiny too. Of course Blizzard has a lan client... I am pretty sure it is easy to make one, but the question is why isn't it being used in their own tournaments? Blizzard does not run its own events, so that is the reason. According to Wheat, they have offered it to events, but that event must pay for an armed guard 24 hours a day. Also, I am sure there is some sort of liability clause in accepting the lan client as well. To be honest, there could have been games played on the lan client at major events and we never knew. Yeah, I guess you're right. Blizzcon isn't run by Blizzard at all. Blizzard has nothing to do with WCS either. This was sarcasm by the way. Really don't want you to take it the wrong way and think you were right. I got it. To be honest, the lan client has likely been used a lot over the last year, but no one talks about it. Why would you announce that you are using something that you are worried people are going to try an steal? Riot can do it because they run their own events, but Blizzard doesn't.
So basically... Blizzard, get your shit together and run tournaments/at least help with them?
I'm pretty sure that Blizzcon and WCS were not run with a lan client btw. So not even at their own events?
Now, how do we let Blizzard know that they should get their shit together? What exactly can we do other than bitching at them in public when direct contact/posting on blizzard forums for 2 years had no effect at all?
And, if Blizzard doesn't give a shit, how can we as a community do anything about it?
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On October 25 2012 02:13 colossusFTW wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 02:12 Hider wrote:On October 25 2012 01:41 Mordiford wrote:
The thing is, Destiny was an absolute ass the entire time and copped out at the end, and I was agreeing with what IdrA, inControl and Wheat were saying but they came off so poorly in how they argued that the entire end of that episode was a shit-show. I agree that Desinty was a little too over the edge, don't think he was an ass though. But wanna know why he acted like he did? Because Incontrol opened the debate by making a huge personal shitstorm attack on Destiny. This created this terrible debate overheated debate. It's really how to keep your emotion when you get shitted on like that, and the despictable Incontrol is the main guy to problem for this debate (that high five is the worst thing I have ever seen). <stupid_reddit_link>
Contacting the sponsors because Incontrol said something bad about reddit? Really? My faith in humanity (or at least reddit) is starting to fade, how dumb can one be?
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Everyone knows that in this show DJWheat, Incontrol and Idra have all the same opinion no matter what they are talking about but still Wheat call's out reddit people etc...pathetic.
I think the highest peak of faggotry was to see FatBurguer going across the FRAT HOUSE to hi5 Idra...are you serious?
I wish that Destiny statement was true but the whole fucking world would have to quit SC2 in able to Idra and Fatburguer to ever win a tournament.
Get fucked DJwheat, Idra and Incontrol. Go eat dingleberries out of each others.
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On October 25 2012 02:16 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 02:09 wacksteven wrote:
Wow, so I apparently stopped watching at the wrong time last night...or the right time depending on perspective.
After watching the vod of the rest of the show from last night; I think that a lot of people got a little crazy. Marcus is a passionate individual and will always be. That's why people love him and some people dislike him. Destiny wanted to come on the show and probably against his better judgement djWHEAT brought him on to speak his side of things. Destiny came on and basically continued his rant-post with no real support. The conversation just kind of degrades from there with everyone, tbh. Painuser and IdrA were the voice of reason here. Good job, Taylor and Greg. Geoff was probably trying to be entertaining like he usually is (let's be honest, a lot of people watch him do things cause he's smart and pretty damn funny) and I think he made a few comments that took things too far. If I was Marcus and I had brought someone on my show to speak their mind and then they just outright shit on the hosts and hangup on them - I don't know if I could laugh it off, either.
Now, I think a lot of people failed to recognize that Destiny seems to be speaking more about HIS numbers specifically. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like the main revenue for him is his stream. He is a stream personality, more than a pro player of this game. OF COURSE his perspective is one of actual direct stream numbers for himself. Starcraft II as an esport almost doesn't affect him at all. The general casual interest should be his primary concern, which is what he seems to be pushing for Blizzard to fix. The pros probably wouldn't have any affect on the stuff he wants to change. Since he has kind of thrown out the opportunities to get big sponsors through various choices he has made; I don't blame him for not recognizing what is happening on the other end of the spectrum.
IdrA and iNcontroL are pro players with (again, I'm not sure on this, but I'm guessing) most of their income from salary + sponsors? So, their main monetary concerns are in regards to the overall kind of numbers, and not specifically their direct stream numbers? The overall growth of esports and starcraft as an esport should be a huge help to them as more sponsors will be interested, especially in one of the most highly regarded teams. Their point seemed to be is that it is growing still and not in danger. So, while individual streamers (like Destiny) might be taking a hit directly to their streams, it doesn't affect them as much. They want to argue that creating a more balanced game with better esports support is the way to grow the game, along with supporting the players and events - and I think for them, it definitely is.
djWHEAT also directly benefits from the growth of esports overall as he works for Twitch (and herp derp, numbers going up overall) plus the fact that he has been proven to cover multiple games gives him a lot of flexibility.
I don't blame Destiny or other streaming personalities for SC2 for freaking out as his main source of income is being affected by a drop in individual stream numbers, or diversity in games. I feel like that might have been good to specifically point out. 1) No you are wrong. Everyone's number's is down. DJ wheat manipulated/didn't understand the point of the entire discussion when he said they were up, because he was refferring to esports and not sc2 specifically. 2) You are also wrong here. Idra actually kinded sided with destiny, but he don't think anything can be fixed by tweeting. Incontrol talks about how other factors are more important. 3) DJwheat missed the entire point.
Proof? Reference? Something? These are all random statements.
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The whole discussion lacked persons, who know how to discuss without being dicks. So no matter what they say, if it contains truth, smart thoughts or none of that, the dickish behaviour will always keep the community away from the sweet fruits that could be discussed here.
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On October 25 2012 02:12 colossusFTW wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 02:09 Plansix wrote:On October 25 2012 02:01 colossusFTW wrote:On October 25 2012 01:31 Lazarusnpx wrote:On October 25 2012 01:11 colossusFTW wrote:On October 25 2012 01:07 Golbat wrote:On October 25 2012 00:43 colossusFTW wrote:On October 25 2012 00:36 vultdylan wrote:On October 25 2012 00:31 colossusFTW wrote:On October 25 2012 00:27 xzidez wrote:
I hate to admit it but destiny is right. Don't you remember the shitstorm that spread through internet like a wildfire when blizzard announced that you had to use real name on the official forums after BNet 2.0 release ?
Its not that blizzard doesn't care. Its that they care even more about the actual $$ they get on the game.. and this crap is the worst PR nightmare they can possible get. There is no way they can avoid it now, similar to when they said you were supposed to use your real name.
If we people would just have sucked it up like idra and incontrol is suggesting and doing "what we can" instead of getting all mental over the forums.. we would have been forced to use real names.. And guess what? We don't..,. EXACTLY what the fuck can we do!!?? rhetorical question we can not do jack shit as a community with out blizzard what is the community going to get together in a huge circle jerk and hack blizzard so we can implement the changes we want? the problems ly with blizzard so idra and incontrols point that we as a community can only do what we do is fucking ridiculous we cant do shit about blizzard being fucked only blizzard can. They weren't trying to say that the community can influence what Blizzard is doing, they even said it. They said there is no use trying to coerce Blizzard into changing the game because even after two years of trying to do that, they have had enough of the lack of response on Blizzard's end. It is what the community can do to increase the quality of production of things like tournaments and leagues to increase interest in e-sports that they want to work for. They know they can't change the game that Blizzard makes, but rather the way the public views it and how competition is put out there. BTW clean up your vocabulary. I have seen you on other threads, and it is rather immature. And it doesn't help your case. But if the community can't get blizzard to do anything how is this game to stay alive the entire point here is that getting sponsors and shit isnt going to help THE CASUAL GAMER. Without casual gamers you have no community. Nobody in this thread is a professional gamer we are all casual gamers and while we might be already hooked on starcraft you need new fans we cannot survive forever on the same community we have had for years. The point destiny is making is that you need more casual gamers for a community and at this point in time there is no incentive to play this game unless you are a professional. So when people go on their computer they say holy shit why the fuck would I play sc2 when I could play a user friendly game like dota2 or LoL. The only thing the community CAN do is be the community. We're here for SC2. That's all we can actually do. I wish we could just tweet at Blizzard every time we wanted something to get done, but unfortunately that isn't possible. What you and I can do for starcraft is stick around, support tournaments and players by watching streams and shows and stuff. I haven't played a game of SC2 in months, but I'm still a part of the SC2 community. The community should focus on making the best viewer experience they can, and hopefully that will cause people to come in and see it and stay. So with that logic were just suppose to sit here and let blizzard shit on us and we stay despite getting treated like dogshit? thats is terrible fucking logic. When everyone has switched to LoL itll be to late for blizzard to say we fucked up were going to change that no, we fucking stay here because we love SC2, we either love to watch it or to play it or both, and we will keep nagging blizzard about all this issues. This is NOT a new issue, people been rightfully bitching to blizzard about this since the game came out and if ever they fix everything that is asked we will find new things to ask because we love the game. What the community can do is keep what they are doing and improving on it, try to get more content out there, try to get more people to enjoy the game and help wherever we can. I, and most people on TL i would suppose, am here because i do enjoy SC2, and games will always be restricted by what they are in their true nature. All i am going to do is keep following the scene and the game BECAUSE I ENJOY IT, and people like djwheat, day9, incontrol, tastosis, etc will keep putting out the content because they enjoy doing it and there are still people who care for more then numbers. That is the fault in destiny doomsday prophecy, SC2 started because people enjoyed it, and it will keep going on when people who dont realy enjoy it and just jump on it because it is the trend leave bahahaha Tasteless has already started castin LoL hahahahaha Geee, I wonder if he is casting LoL in Korea because GOM asked him to.....I wonder if it is because there are no other english casters in Korea for LoL? Could it be that GOM is trying to promote its new league by using some of Tasteless's fame to get their league going? Do you really think he is going to say, "No GOM, I will not cast LoL. SC2 is the only game for me and I will never be inolved with that. Fire me if you want, but I am standing by my game and will side with no there?" Lmao. I am saying LoL is growing and dota2 are expanding and they slowly but surely are dissolving part of our community with it.
Well your wrong and have no idea what you are talking about. As far as I can tell you are here to cry wolf and claim the world is ending, despite people providing you with endless evidence showing otherwise.
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On October 25 2012 02:24 TigerKarl wrote:
The whole discussion lacked persons, who know how to discuss without being dicks. So no matter what they say, if it contains truth, smart thoughts or none of that, the dickish behaviour will always keep the community away from the sweet fruits that could be discussed here.
I will second this and leave this thread now.
Not saying that the people on the show can't debate properly, they have showed in the past that they can. They just didn't this time.
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On October 25 2012 02:16 Hider wrote:
1) No you are wrong. Everyone's number's is down. DJ wheat manipulated/didn't understand the point of the entire discussion when he said they were up, because he was refferring to esports and not sc2 specifically.
Data please, otherwise this point is useless. And im not convinced the numbers are down, unless someone comes with data im not buying it.
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On October 25 2012 02:23 wacksteven wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 02:16 Hider wrote:On October 25 2012 02:09 wacksteven wrote:
Wow, so I apparently stopped watching at the wrong time last night...or the right time depending on perspective.
After watching the vod of the rest of the show from last night; I think that a lot of people got a little crazy. Marcus is a passionate individual and will always be. That's why people love him and some people dislike him. Destiny wanted to come on the show and probably against his better judgement djWHEAT brought him on to speak his side of things. Destiny came on and basically continued his rant-post with no real support. The conversation just kind of degrades from there with everyone, tbh. Painuser and IdrA were the voice of reason here. Good job, Taylor and Greg. Geoff was probably trying to be entertaining like he usually is (let's be honest, a lot of people watch him do things cause he's smart and pretty damn funny) and I think he made a few comments that took things too far. If I was Marcus and I had brought someone on my show to speak their mind and then they just outright shit on the hosts and hangup on them - I don't know if I could laugh it off, either.
Now, I think a lot of people failed to recognize that Destiny seems to be speaking more about HIS numbers specifically. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like the main revenue for him is his stream. He is a stream personality, more than a pro player of this game. OF COURSE his perspective is one of actual direct stream numbers for himself. Starcraft II as an esport almost doesn't affect him at all. The general casual interest should be his primary concern, which is what he seems to be pushing for Blizzard to fix. The pros probably wouldn't have any affect on the stuff he wants to change. Since he has kind of thrown out the opportunities to get big sponsors through various choices he has made; I don't blame him for not recognizing what is happening on the other end of the spectrum.
IdrA and iNcontroL are pro players with (again, I'm not sure on this, but I'm guessing) most of their income from salary + sponsors? So, their main monetary concerns are in regards to the overall kind of numbers, and not specifically their direct stream numbers? The overall growth of esports and starcraft as an esport should be a huge help to them as more sponsors will be interested, especially in one of the most highly regarded teams. Their point seemed to be is that it is growing still and not in danger. So, while individual streamers (like Destiny) might be taking a hit directly to their streams, it doesn't affect them as much. They want to argue that creating a more balanced game with better esports support is the way to grow the game, along with supporting the players and events - and I think for them, it definitely is.
djWHEAT also directly benefits from the growth of esports overall as he works for Twitch (and herp derp, numbers going up overall) plus the fact that he has been proven to cover multiple games gives him a lot of flexibility.
I don't blame Destiny or other streaming personalities for SC2 for freaking out as his main source of income is being affected by a drop in individual stream numbers, or diversity in games. I feel like that might have been good to specifically point out. 1) No you are wrong. Everyone's number's is down. DJ wheat manipulated/didn't understand the point of the entire discussion when he said they were up, because he was refferring to esports and not sc2 specifically. 2) You are also wrong here. Idra actually kinded sided with destiny, but he don't think anything can be fixed by tweeting. Incontrol talks about how other factors are more important. 3) DJwheat missed the entire point. Proof? Reference? Something? These are all random statements.
Numbers for all Starcraft2 streamer are down. But, the overall number of people watching e-sports is up. Mostly because Team Solo Mid switched from Own3d to Twitch.
On average the TSM streamer get 20,000 to 30,000 viewers, and there are five of them.
The point wheat was missing is that it doesn't matter how many more people are watching e-sports if the game you are supporting is down in numbers. How can you say that because people watching League of Legends that it's good for Starcraft2 if those people are not interested in Starcraft2 at all. As evident by the decline in viewers.
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On October 25 2012 02:23 wacksteven wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 02:16 Hider wrote:On October 25 2012 02:09 wacksteven wrote:
Wow, so I apparently stopped watching at the wrong time last night...or the right time depending on perspective.
After watching the vod of the rest of the show from last night; I think that a lot of people got a little crazy. Marcus is a passionate individual and will always be. That's why people love him and some people dislike him. Destiny wanted to come on the show and probably against his better judgement djWHEAT brought him on to speak his side of things. Destiny came on and basically continued his rant-post with no real support. The conversation just kind of degrades from there with everyone, tbh. Painuser and IdrA were the voice of reason here. Good job, Taylor and Greg. Geoff was probably trying to be entertaining like he usually is (let's be honest, a lot of people watch him do things cause he's smart and pretty damn funny) and I think he made a few comments that took things too far. If I was Marcus and I had brought someone on my show to speak their mind and then they just outright shit on the hosts and hangup on them - I don't know if I could laugh it off, either.
Now, I think a lot of people failed to recognize that Destiny seems to be speaking more about HIS numbers specifically. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like the main revenue for him is his stream. He is a stream personality, more than a pro player of this game. OF COURSE his perspective is one of actual direct stream numbers for himself. Starcraft II as an esport almost doesn't affect him at all. The general casual interest should be his primary concern, which is what he seems to be pushing for Blizzard to fix. The pros probably wouldn't have any affect on the stuff he wants to change. Since he has kind of thrown out the opportunities to get big sponsors through various choices he has made; I don't blame him for not recognizing what is happening on the other end of the spectrum.
IdrA and iNcontroL are pro players with (again, I'm not sure on this, but I'm guessing) most of their income from salary + sponsors? So, their main monetary concerns are in regards to the overall kind of numbers, and not specifically their direct stream numbers? The overall growth of esports and starcraft as an esport should be a huge help to them as more sponsors will be interested, especially in one of the most highly regarded teams. Their point seemed to be is that it is growing still and not in danger. So, while individual streamers (like Destiny) might be taking a hit directly to their streams, it doesn't affect them as much. They want to argue that creating a more balanced game with better esports support is the way to grow the game, along with supporting the players and events - and I think for them, it definitely is.
djWHEAT also directly benefits from the growth of esports overall as he works for Twitch (and herp derp, numbers going up overall) plus the fact that he has been proven to cover multiple games gives him a lot of flexibility.
I don't blame Destiny or other streaming personalities for SC2 for freaking out as his main source of income is being affected by a drop in individual stream numbers, or diversity in games. I feel like that might have been good to specifically point out. 1) No you are wrong. Everyone's number's is down. DJ wheat manipulated/didn't understand the point of the entire discussion when he said they were up, because he was refferring to esports and not sc2 specifically. 2) You are also wrong here. Idra actually kinded sided with destiny, but he don't think anything can be fixed by tweeting. Incontrol talks about how other factors are more important. 3) DJwheat missed the entire point. Proof? Reference? Something? These are all random statements.
1) Eh did you watch the podcast? DJwheat even admitted that those "up-numbers" were not sc2-specific
2) I just stated idra's opinion. Go watch the show for your self. But idra do not think sc2 is growing. He thinks it will be "fine" and there is nothing they can do about it.
3) DO this. Read destiny's post. Now look at every single question djwheat asked destiny. They were all completely irrelevant.
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You guys need to CALM THE FUCK DOWN. So many pages of this bullshit because kids behave like kids ? These guys are all in their mid twentys... None was hurt (besides butthurt) its all fun and games. God how can anyone take this community serious anymore ? You are the scum that kills Starcraft with all this negativity...
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On October 25 2012 02:27 TheSir wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2012 02:16 Hider wrote:
1) No you are wrong. Everyone's number's is down. DJ wheat manipulated/didn't understand the point of the entire discussion when he said they were up, because he was refferring to esports and not sc2 specifically.
Data please, otherwise this point is useless. And im not convinced the numbers are down, unless someone comes with data im not buying it.
go look at individual stream counts and compare them to one year ago. You ahve to be insane not to notice that almost every streamer has fewer viewers that one year ago, and I do not think anyone disputes that (neither did incontrol nor idra). But both think it will be fine, and that Sc2 won't die.
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On October 25 2012 02:33 MetalSlug wrote:
You guys need to CALM THE FUCK DOWN. So many pages of this bullshit because kids behave like kids ? These guys are all in their mid twentys... None was hurt (besides butthurt) its all fun and games. God how can anyone take this community serious anymore ? You are the scum that kills Starcraft with all this negativity...
DjWheat is 35.
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