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[QUOTE]On October 24 2012 16:19 Blisse wrote:
[QUOTE]On October 24 2012 16:00 Mozzery wrote:
[QUOTE]On October 24 2012 15:54 GungraveHero2 wrote:
[QUOTE]On October 24 2012 15:50 opterown wrote:
[QUOTE]On October 24 2012 15:46 GungraveHero2 wrote:
[QUOTE]On October 24 2012 15:42 hunts wrote:
God I really hope this ends with jessica telling razer off and then the whole company coming down to crush her and finally silencer her in the esports scene forever.[/QUOTE]
why you hate her so much ? she have try to build a team with boxer and now she just defending herself with what we start to know , are false accusation .
maybe if mma crank ect would have not lie or say what they did ( with no proof ) in big interview , that everyone read , something like that would have not happen in the first place[/QUOTE]
i think it's more that jessica is lying and saying bad things, while the accusations are true!
it's all dependant on perspective![/QUOTE]
perspective ? jessica got proof , and she posted them , most people in korea are with jessica too and mma and crank are the one who have say bad things , they are the one to blame and they got no proof .
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and as Waxangel has posted many times, Jessica has managed to contradict herself already with her statements
On October 24 2012 15:22 Waxangel wrote:
btw whatever happened to this?
"Q: What about his assertion on hiding information on transfers?
A: I hid nothing. I search for teams because he wanted to move to a foreign team. A foreign team asked me how much it would cost to transfer MMA. So I simply stated his value.
I told this team how much it would be after combining their offer on salaries, various costs for taking care of MMA, and the money needed to be paid to me for his remaining contractual period. I actually said that it would be better for them to use this amount to acquire our team as a whole. But I never received any replies. The negotiation didn't fail, but rather I simply replied to their request and even suggested an acquisition."
doesn't that directly contradict her denial of blocking a foreign move by calling a big transfer fee?
Obviously, she has made obvious mistake number one by admitting to having the cost of MMA=the cost of acquiring Slayers as a whole.
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Or more likely, the cost of acquiring MMA is a disproportionate amount of the team considering the SlayerS branding and the costs of all the other players, something like 30%, and that losing MMA would be so detrimental to the team name that it would be more worth it to buy the entire team if you're looking to spend this much money on MMA?
that's the idea, they were looking to spend some money on MMA, but Jessica made the amount high enough that they said no, (confirmed fact). Then she uses as "proof" that she wasn't looking for a big transfer fee an e-mail she sent to team liquid looking to unload him for free that was sent at a later date. Obviously in the past she DID ask for a big enough transfer fee that she was turned down. Her stating that a large transfer fee was not in play is only believable if you think that something like 30% of the value of Slayers (in your opinion MMA's potential worth, obviously could be more or less) is "not a big transfer fee".
I'm not saying Jessica is the only one to blame, I'm pointing out that it seems farfetched at this point to take her word that a "large transfer fee" was not a factor in him not ending up on another team sooner.
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On October 24 2012 15:37 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 14:58 dongmydrum wrote:
So the facts are
1. Manager J lied to all parties
2. MMA falling victim to J's lies
3. Jessica felt betrayed by MMA because he believed J's story over Jessica's and
acted without confirming J's story
It seems pretty clear to me I don't know why people say its confusing.
There's far too much being diverted onto this "Manager J" for his personality and actions to be believable. So far, he allegedly infiltrated the team and stayed with them for a few months, became the guy who "deals with sponsors", or at the very least is the sponsors' main contact. Then he somehow caused all sponsors to drop their sponsorship, rejected MMA's personal sponsorship during all that, then instigated players within the team to distrust the owners, and left. In all this, he doesn't stand to gain anything (financially) from doing any of this. In fact, everybody knows who he is, so he had to know he could easily end up being sued over a number of things by a number of people, or at the very least putting himself in a very unpleasant situation. Conveniently, he doesn't speak, Jessica doesn't seem to be going after him at all. He's ONLY ever mentioned when everything that ever went wrong with Slayers on the management side needs to be diverted to him and his nefarious schemes. Somehow all the blame for what happened to the team is then shifted directly to players and they are the main target, being publicly dragged through the dirt, being called cancer, thugs, and whatnot. Not "Manager J". Shit just doesn't add up.
Very well said. very well said sir. This manager "J" is becoming a escape goat for everything that was every wrong on team slayer. I think this manager "J" is in fact manager "J"essica. Look to your sins Jessica, stop shifting blame around for your incompetence and all around bitchy behaviour.
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Guys, you've got to realise, this is real life, not some made up story. Jessica and the players would think about the consequences of their actions and the benefits/disadvantages deeply, and what are we to judge when we're making judgments on the spot? This is a sensitive issue, and judging by the amount of contradictory and edited posts by users, it would be generous to say they spent 10 seconds actually thinking before posting. Don't jump to conclusions, and as time passes, more evidence will be added, and it will become easier and easier to see the real story. At the moment useless comments and biased opinions are clouding facts, increasing the amount of false information spreading faster than cancer.
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On October 24 2012 16:35 DaveVAH wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 15:37 Talin wrote:On October 24 2012 14:58 dongmydrum wrote:
So the facts are
1. Manager J lied to all parties
2. MMA falling victim to J's lies
3. Jessica felt betrayed by MMA because he believed J's story over Jessica's and
acted without confirming J's story
It seems pretty clear to me I don't know why people say its confusing.
There's far too much being diverted onto this "Manager J" for his personality and actions to be believable. So far, he allegedly infiltrated the team and stayed with them for a few months, became the guy who "deals with sponsors", or at the very least is the sponsors' main contact. Then he somehow caused all sponsors to drop their sponsorship, rejected MMA's personal sponsorship during all that, then instigated players within the team to distrust the owners, and left. In all this, he doesn't stand to gain anything (financially) from doing any of this. In fact, everybody knows who he is, so he had to know he could easily end up being sued over a number of things by a number of people, or at the very least putting himself in a very unpleasant situation. Conveniently, he doesn't speak, Jessica doesn't seem to be going after him at all. He's ONLY ever mentioned when everything that ever went wrong with Slayers on the management side needs to be diverted to him and his nefarious schemes. Somehow all the blame for what happened to the team is then shifted directly to players and they are the main target, being publicly dragged through the dirt, being called cancer, thugs, and whatnot. Not "Manager J". Shit just doesn't add up. Very well said. very well said sir. This manager "J" is becoming a escape goat for everything that was every wrong on team slayer. I think this manager "J" is in fact manager "J"essica. Look to your sins Jessica, stop shifting blame around for your incompetence and all around bitchy behaviour. You're not being serious, are you? Everyone who's suggested that is joking. We know who Manager J is and what he was supposed to be doing.
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On October 24 2012 16:35 DaveVAH wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 15:37 Talin wrote:On October 24 2012 14:58 dongmydrum wrote:
So the facts are
1. Manager J lied to all parties
2. MMA falling victim to J's lies
3. Jessica felt betrayed by MMA because he believed J's story over Jessica's and
acted without confirming J's story
It seems pretty clear to me I don't know why people say its confusing.
There's far too much being diverted onto this "Manager J" for his personality and actions to be believable. So far, he allegedly infiltrated the team and stayed with them for a few months, became the guy who "deals with sponsors", or at the very least is the sponsors' main contact. Then he somehow caused all sponsors to drop their sponsorship, rejected MMA's personal sponsorship during all that, then instigated players within the team to distrust the owners, and left. In all this, he doesn't stand to gain anything (financially) from doing any of this. In fact, everybody knows who he is, so he had to know he could easily end up being sued over a number of things by a number of people, or at the very least putting himself in a very unpleasant situation. Conveniently, he doesn't speak, Jessica doesn't seem to be going after him at all. He's ONLY ever mentioned when everything that ever went wrong with Slayers on the management side needs to be diverted to him and his nefarious schemes. Somehow all the blame for what happened to the team is then shifted directly to players and they are the main target, being publicly dragged through the dirt, being called cancer, thugs, and whatnot. Not "Manager J". Shit just doesn't add up. Very well said. very well said sir. This manager "J" is becoming a escape goat for everything that was every wrong on team slayer. I think this manager "J" is in fact manager "J"essica. Look to your sins Jessica, stop shifting blame around for your incompetence and all around bitchy behaviour.
Well, Manager J was fired from Razer before getting hired by SlayerS. It's a simple revenge motive.
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I believe Jessica is innocent, she rejected a personal contract for MMA and BoxeR, seems like a team first attitude which I'm fine with, if she didn't (or planned not to) tell MMA about it that offer and rejection that would mean she made a mistake and MMA has every right to be angry as this is his livelihood . Manager J = Jessica??? are you kidding me, the only way that would make sense if Jessica has multiple personality disorder and that would be a whole other problem all together.
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On October 24 2012 16:20 S_SienZ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 16:18 Veldril wrote:On October 24 2012 16:14 S_SienZ wrote:
I don't get it, doesn't it make sense that whoever it is rejects Razer since SlayerS at the time was probably partnered with EG? No it doesn't make sense. Slayers started partnership with EG in October 2011. At that time, they are still sponsored by Razer. Therefore, the partnership was done even the teams represented rival companies. Pretty sure SlayerS had dropped Razer as a sponsor. That was the reason the partnership took so long to be established. By partnership I mean competing together in GSTL
If you are going to refer to the partnership, then you have to consider when there's no GSTL too. So, Razer sponsored Slayers until February 2012 and the partnership started in October 2011. So Razer sponsors Slayers while they partnered with EG for 4 months. Then the talk about renewing sponsors somehow broke down but Razer still interested in sponsoring MMA. That's 3 months before partnership with EG for GSTL was announced, since the announcement came during May.
And Slayers did not drop Razer, it Razer that dropped Slayers.
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I wake up this morning to find another Jessica/slayers/MMA shitstorm!
Hooray for SC2 Korea!
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On October 24 2012 16:46 Mr_Z wrote:
I believe Jessica is innocent, she rejected a personal contract for MMA and BoxeR, seems like a team first attitude which I'm fine with, if she didn't (or planned not to) tell MMA about it that offer and rejection that would mean she made a mistake and MMA has every right to be angry as this is his livelihood . Manager J = Jessica??? are you kidding me, the only way that would make sense if Jessica has multiple personality disorder and that would be a whole other problem all together.
this makes more sense than some of the things she has said ...hahaha
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On October 24 2012 16:46 Mr_Z wrote:
I believe Jessica is innocent, she rejected a personal contract for MMA and BoxeR, seems like a team first attitude which I'm fine with, if she didn't (or planned not to) tell MMA about it that offer and rejection that would mean she made a mistake and MMA has every right to be angry as this is his livelihood . Manager J = Jessica??? are you kidding me, the only way that would make sense if Jessica has multiple personality disorder and that would be a whole other problem all together.
I agree with your first sentence completely. You can tell how Jessica is when you read most of the interviews now a days. She loves her team to death but its tough love but love nonetheless. She probably DID reject the personal sponsorship because how would the other team members feel, if MMA got big sponsorship and no one else did?
Honestly, I just PRAY for the drama to be over.. and they can talk it out like adults and both sides can just apologizes and just rebirth SlayerS..
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On October 24 2012 16:40 Aerox wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 16:35 DaveVAH wrote:On October 24 2012 15:37 Talin wrote:On October 24 2012 14:58 dongmydrum wrote:
So the facts are
1. Manager J lied to all parties
2. MMA falling victim to J's lies
3. Jessica felt betrayed by MMA because he believed J's story over Jessica's and
acted without confirming J's story
It seems pretty clear to me I don't know why people say its confusing.
There's far too much being diverted onto this "Manager J" for his personality and actions to be believable. So far, he allegedly infiltrated the team and stayed with them for a few months, became the guy who "deals with sponsors", or at the very least is the sponsors' main contact. Then he somehow caused all sponsors to drop their sponsorship, rejected MMA's personal sponsorship during all that, then instigated players within the team to distrust the owners, and left. In all this, he doesn't stand to gain anything (financially) from doing any of this. In fact, everybody knows who he is, so he had to know he could easily end up being sued over a number of things by a number of people, or at the very least putting himself in a very unpleasant situation. Conveniently, he doesn't speak, Jessica doesn't seem to be going after him at all. He's ONLY ever mentioned when everything that ever went wrong with Slayers on the management side needs to be diverted to him and his nefarious schemes. Somehow all the blame for what happened to the team is then shifted directly to players and they are the main target, being publicly dragged through the dirt, being called cancer, thugs, and whatnot. Not "Manager J". Shit just doesn't add up. Very well said. very well said sir. This manager "J" is becoming a escape goat for everything that was every wrong on team slayer. I think this manager "J" is in fact manager "J"essica. Look to your sins Jessica, stop shifting blame around for your incompetence and all around bitchy behaviour. Well, Manager J was fired from Razer before getting hired by SlayerS. It's a simple revenge motive.
Except that none of his actions actually hurt Razer to any significant degree to justify the personal involvement and investment into such a convoluted scheme. And many of his supposed schemes had nothing to do with the Razer sponsorship of Slayers at all.
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im sure jessica would have accepted the special sponsor for mma , because she love the team and the players and she have tell that was manager J who refused the sponsor anyway , so she refused nothing .
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I don't even know what's going on in this drama anymore.
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Whatever, mma has to be supported, doesn't matter who's doing it as long as it's proper! I'd love to see him in EG, personally.
On October 24 2012 17:07 GolemMadness wrote:
I don't even know what's going on in this drama anymore.
Ditto lol
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Seriously is all of this real? This is just crazy at this point.
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I'm starting to feel like when this is all over all the threads on this should just be linked at the top of the korean drama thread.
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This is getting really difficult to follow.
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Very well said. very well said sir. This manager "J" is becoming a escape goat for everything that was every wrong on team slayer. I think this manager "J" is in fact manager "J"essica. Look to your sins Jessica, stop shifting blame around for your incompetence and all around bitchy behaviour.
Looking like you just got put in your place
@Razer_MidNight DELETED TWEET
"This is Kim, Joon Hee from Razer Korea. Razer headquarters have confirmed that this occurred between Chris Mitchell and Manager J but Manager J, out of ill intent, deliberately kept out offer hidden from owner of Slayers, Kim, Ja Yeon (Jessica)"
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On October 24 2012 17:13 Talack wrote:Show nested quote +Very well said. very well said sir. This manager "J" is becoming a escape goat for everything that was every wrong on team slayer. I think this manager "J" is in fact manager "J"essica. Look to your sins Jessica, stop shifting blame around for your incompetence and all around bitchy behaviour.
Looking like you just got put in your place Show nested quote +@Razer_MidNight DELETED TWEET
"This is Kim, Joon Hee from Razer Korea. Razer headquarters have confirmed that this occurred between Chris Mitchell and Manager J but Manager J, out of ill intent, deliberately kept out offer hidden from owner of Slayers, Kim, Ja Yeon (Jessica)"
lol...you look so foolish dude. When you quote what is essentially a contradiction to you, Talack
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