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On October 24 2012 15:30 neoghaleon55 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 15:12 opterown wrote:
breaking news,
manager j was smurfing as coca and byun and got them both suspended
manager j removed the natural depots from metropolis
manager j pulled the plug when mkp-parting played
manager j also is stopping stephano from playing in the gsl
manager j suggested the idea of hybrid proleague too
etcetc. roflcopter, opter! don't forget manager j also created abominations like -infestor/broodlords -forcefields -the collosus manager j is also responsible for -the extended series -cancer and/or aids
Remember the accusations about Manager J wanting to lure MMA away from SlayerS and onto his team ...?
MMA's negotiating with EG.
EG's CEO is Alex Garfield.
Manager J's English name is "Garfield."
:O
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this is such a waste of time.
professionals don't trickle out details of situations like this. children behave this way. if you are going to release things publicly, it's in your best interest to not only release everything at once, but to actually do it objectively. even where you were at fault. then you let people judge. this all seems incredibly underhanded. since no one can actually be mature about it, none of it should be public. people are all working for personal gain but are ruining not only their own images, but that of those around them.
if some of this is true, legal action will be taken. in so doing much of what is being said is simply going to fuel the fire and make this pretty one-sided. people who love chaos don't tend to be very good at being accountable when the time comes.
just ask yourself what kind of person initiates all of this in a public forum? it's not someone who is holding all of the cards. it's someone who is trying to be manipulative. also, boxer's image was doing just fine. everyone already knew slayers was dead without him.
just use your common sense and stop contributing to all of this. let nature take its course.
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On October 24 2012 14:58 dongmydrum wrote:
So the facts are
1. Manager J lied to all parties
2. MMA falling victim to J's lies
3. Jessica felt betrayed by MMA because he believed J's story over Jessica's and
acted without confirming J's story
It seems pretty clear to me I don't know why people say its confusing.
There's far too much being diverted onto this "Manager J" for his personality and actions to be believable. So far, he allegedly infiltrated the team and stayed with them for a few months, became the guy who "deals with sponsors", or at the very least is the sponsors' main contact. Then he somehow caused all sponsors to drop their sponsorship, rejected MMA's personal sponsorship during all that, then instigated players within the team to distrust the owners, and left.
In all this, he doesn't stand to gain anything (financially) from doing any of this. In fact, everybody knows who he is, so he had to know he could easily end up being sued over a number of things by a number of people, or at the very least putting himself in a very unpleasant situation.
Conveniently, he doesn't speak, Jessica doesn't seem to be going after him at all. He's ONLY ever mentioned when everything that ever went wrong with Slayers on the management side needs to be diverted to him and his nefarious schemes. Somehow all the blame for what happened to the team is then shifted directly to players and they are the main target, being publicly dragged through the dirt, being called cancer, thugs, and whatnot. Not "Manager J".
Shit just doesn't add up.
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On October 24 2012 15:33 babylon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 15:30 neoghaleon55 wrote:On October 24 2012 15:12 opterown wrote:
breaking news,
manager j was smurfing as coca and byun and got them both suspended
manager j removed the natural depots from metropolis
manager j pulled the plug when mkp-parting played
manager j also is stopping stephano from playing in the gsl
manager j suggested the idea of hybrid proleague too
etcetc. roflcopter, opter! don't forget manager j also created abominations like -infestor/broodlords -forcefields -the collosus manager j is also responsible for -the extended series -cancer and/or aids Remember the accusations about Manager J wanting to lure MMA away from SlayerS and onto his team ...? MMA's negotiating with EG. EG's CEO is Alex Garfield. Manager J's English name is "Garfield." :O
Garfield is also the name of a popular cartoon cat, who lived with a dog named Odie. Dignitas Odee?
HOW DEEP DOES IT GO?!
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Has this 'mysterious J' left the scene ever since Jessica kicked him out of the team or has he been watching closely from the shadows?
Jessica mentioned abruptly back then (before this drama) on how the Slayers social media accounts (twitter and facebook) were not associated with the team anymore, due to reasons she couldn't reveal.
But we all know as of now that those accounts were managed by "J".
Were the accounts given back to the team? or was "J" still in hold of those accounts? I doubt the accounts were reclaimed back by the team, if I recall correctly, sometime later after the disassociation with the accounts Jessica mentioned how from there onwards her own Twitter will be used as the team's official account.
Since then, there wasn't much activity in those accounts until early this month (October), when the non-official twitter became active again, and this time sparked the early rumors about Slayers disbanding http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=373628 .
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God I really hope this ends with jessica telling razer off and then the whole company coming down to crush her and finally silencer her in the esports scene forever.
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Man, if somehow manager J shows up with evidences that he did nothing and that MMA's offer was actually denied by Jessica, I can't think of how much drama it would stir up. Internet would not be able to handle it 
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On October 24 2012 15:42 hunts wrote:
God I really hope this ends with jessica telling razer off and then the whole company coming down to crush her and finally silencer her in the esports scene forever.
why you hate her so much ? she have try to build a team with boxer and now she just defending herself with what we start to know , are false accusation .
maybe if mma crank ect would have not lie or say what they did ( with no proof ) in big interview , that everyone read , something like that would have not happen in the first place
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On October 24 2012 15:37 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 15:33 babylon wrote:On October 24 2012 15:30 neoghaleon55 wrote:On October 24 2012 15:12 opterown wrote:
breaking news,
manager j was smurfing as coca and byun and got them both suspended
manager j removed the natural depots from metropolis
manager j pulled the plug when mkp-parting played
manager j also is stopping stephano from playing in the gsl
manager j suggested the idea of hybrid proleague too
etcetc. roflcopter, opter! don't forget manager j also created abominations like -infestor/broodlords -forcefields -the collosus manager j is also responsible for -the extended series -cancer and/or aids Remember the accusations about Manager J wanting to lure MMA away from SlayerS and onto his team ...? MMA's negotiating with EG. EG's CEO is Alex Garfield. Manager J's English name is "Garfield." :O Garfield is also the name of a popular cartoon cat, who lived with a dog named Odie. Dignitas Odee? HOW DEEP DOES IT GO?!
Isn't EG's big sponsor Steel Series.. That could have been why he didn't want the sponsorship with Razer.. Conflicts of interest
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On October 24 2012 15:46 GungraveHero2 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 15:42 hunts wrote:
God I really hope this ends with jessica telling razer off and then the whole company coming down to crush her and finally silencer her in the esports scene forever. why you hate her so much ? she have try to build a team with boxer and now she just defending herself with what we start to know , are false accusation . maybe if mma crank ect would have not lie or say what they did ( with no proof ) in big interview , that everyone read , something like that would have not happen in the first place
i think it's more that jessica is lying and saying bad things, while the accusations are true!
it's all dependant on perspective!
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On October 24 2012 15:37 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 15:33 babylon wrote:On October 24 2012 15:30 neoghaleon55 wrote:On October 24 2012 15:12 opterown wrote:
breaking news,
manager j was smurfing as coca and byun and got them both suspended
manager j removed the natural depots from metropolis
manager j pulled the plug when mkp-parting played
manager j also is stopping stephano from playing in the gsl
manager j suggested the idea of hybrid proleague too
etcetc. roflcopter, opter! don't forget manager j also created abominations like -infestor/broodlords -forcefields -the collosus manager j is also responsible for -the extended series -cancer and/or aids Remember the accusations about Manager J wanting to lure MMA away from SlayerS and onto his team ...? MMA's negotiating with EG. EG's CEO is Alex Garfield. Manager J's English name is "Garfield." :O Garfield is also the name of a popular cartoon cat, who lived with a dog named Odie. Dignitas Odee? HOW DEEP DOES IT GO?!
It turns out manager J is actually Jessica herself, she's really a schizo like the guy in fight club and has been living a double life this whole time, one as the girlfriend of boxer, and one as the CEO of the imaginary team "EG" who then infiltrates slayers to sabotage them from within, not realize that it's herself that she's trying to sabotage.
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Ugh, can we all just stop talking about this and move on with our lives? Nothing good is coming out of dragging this shit fest out longer than it already has been.
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On October 24 2012 15:50 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 15:46 GungraveHero2 wrote:On October 24 2012 15:42 hunts wrote:
God I really hope this ends with jessica telling razer off and then the whole company coming down to crush her and finally silencer her in the esports scene forever. why you hate her so much ? she have try to build a team with boxer and now she just defending herself with what we start to know , are false accusation . maybe if mma crank ect would have not lie or say what they did ( with no proof ) in big interview , that everyone read , something like that would have not happen in the first place i think it's more that jessica is lying and saying bad things, while the accusations are true! it's all dependant on perspective!
perspective ? jessica got proof , and she posted them , most people in korea are with jessica too and mma and crank are the one who have say bad things , they are the one to blame and they got no proof .
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I just want MMA to get fuckin' paid. Hope he gets a good deal and can rise back up the ranks.
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On October 24 2012 15:24 geokilla wrote:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=377311¤tpage=103#2052KimKaYeon @SlayerS_Jessica 이것이 레이저사의 입장인지.. J매니져와 대화햇던 크리스의 입장인지 명확히 밝히세요 그럼 나도 준비를 할께요 Is this the perspective of Razer... or is it the opinion of Chris that Manager J has been talking to, please clarify. I will prepare. KimKaYeon @SlayerS_Jessica 크리스..당신과 나는 새로운 스폰서쉅에 대해서 얘기하지 않고 J매니저와 얘기햇어요 Chris, you and I did not talk about a new sponsorship, you talked to Manager J KimKaYeon @SlayerS_Jessica 크리스가 얘기를 앞뒤 상황잘라먹고 하는거 같네요 제 기억과 이메일 확인 작업후 올릴께요 크리스.. 그럴 말할 자격 없을텐데요.. 모든게 연관이 잇다는걸 .. 제가 감춰주는게 있다는걸 이해 못하는군요. 전 그럼 확인 갑니다 It seems that Chris is cutting out the front and back of the story. I will post my memory [of this] and after checking my email once I'm done with work... You're not qualified to say things like that... everything is connected... You don't understand that I'm trying to hide something for you (as in to protect him from something?).. then I will go check now. ----------- It seems to me that Jessica is the one leaving things out of her story. Either reveal everything or don't reveal anything.
In Korean culture, you don't go out for a fight if you're not prepared. Jessica always has her research done which is why she pwns everyone in any argument. Someone threw out a curve ball and Jessica was caught in a state of "what the fuck?!"
She asks for clarification and then does her research. She, as well as Cella, had mentioned before about hiding details to protect the players. Mistakes that were made were admitted to (mostly by Cella) but were not going to be revealed in order to protect identities and allow for careers to advance. Seems possible for her to have been hiding something, but not something detrimental.
I don't see a mistake on her part YET (talking about this situation only)
Please correct me if I'm wrong with anything.
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On October 24 2012 15:54 GungraveHero2 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 15:50 opterown wrote:On October 24 2012 15:46 GungraveHero2 wrote:On October 24 2012 15:42 hunts wrote:
God I really hope this ends with jessica telling razer off and then the whole company coming down to crush her and finally silencer her in the esports scene forever. why you hate her so much ? she have try to build a team with boxer and now she just defending herself with what we start to know , are false accusation . maybe if mma crank ect would have not lie or say what they did ( with no proof ) in big interview , that everyone read , something like that would have not happen in the first place i think it's more that jessica is lying and saying bad things, while the accusations are true! it's all dependant on perspective! perspective ? jessica got proof , and she posted them , most people in korea are with jessica too and mma and crank are the one who have say bad things , they are the one to blame and they got no proof .
no. most people in korea are with boxer. so jessica can do no wrong. this is how society works. people are dumb.
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On October 24 2012 15:54 GungraveHero2 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 15:50 opterown wrote:On October 24 2012 15:46 GungraveHero2 wrote:On October 24 2012 15:42 hunts wrote:
God I really hope this ends with jessica telling razer off and then the whole company coming down to crush her and finally silencer her in the esports scene forever. why you hate her so much ? she have try to build a team with boxer and now she just defending herself with what we start to know , are false accusation . maybe if mma crank ect would have not lie or say what they did ( with no proof ) in big interview , that everyone read , something like that would have not happen in the first place i think it's more that jessica is lying and saying bad things, while the accusations are true! it's all dependant on perspective! perspective ? jessica got proof , and she posted them , most people in korea are with jessica too and mma and crank are the one who have say bad things , they are the one to blame and they got no proof .
I don't know what's considered "proof" in Korea, but I certainly wouldn't consider anything she released a proof for any of her claims.
She released a phone call that made Crank look bad in Korea because he raised his voice, cried, and addressed elders informally - that whole conversation was just a lot of smoke and nothing of real importance. It doesn't prove anything.
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On October 24 2012 15:54 GungraveHero2 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2012 15:50 opterown wrote:On October 24 2012 15:46 GungraveHero2 wrote:On October 24 2012 15:42 hunts wrote:
God I really hope this ends with jessica telling razer off and then the whole company coming down to crush her and finally silencer her in the esports scene forever. why you hate her so much ? she have try to build a team with boxer and now she just defending herself with what we start to know , are false accusation . maybe if mma crank ect would have not lie or say what they did ( with no proof ) in big interview , that everyone read , something like that would have not happen in the first place i think it's more that jessica is lying and saying bad things, while the accusations are true! it's all dependant on perspective! perspective ? jessica got proof , and she posted them , most people in korea are with jessica too and mma and crank are the one who have say bad things , they are the one to blame and they got no proof .
and as Waxangel has posted many times, Jessica has managed to contradict herself already with her statements
On October 24 2012 15:22 Waxangel wrote:
btw whatever happened to this?
"Q: What about his assertion on hiding information on transfers?
A: I hid nothing. I search for teams because he wanted to move to a foreign team. A foreign team asked me how much it would cost to transfer MMA. So I simply stated his value.
I told this team how much it would be after combining their offer on salaries, various costs for taking care of MMA, and the money needed to be paid to me for his remaining contractual period. I actually said that it would be better for them to use this amount to acquire our team as a whole. But I never received any replies. The negotiation didn't fail, but rather I simply replied to their request and even suggested an acquisition."
doesn't that directly contradict her denial of blocking a foreign move by calling a big transfer fee?
Obviously, she has made obvious mistake number one by admitting to having the cost of MMA=the cost of acquiring Slayers as a whole.
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I just feel like Boxer didn't have this drama when he did things by himself. Instead he was more worried what Booth space suit he would wear.![[image loading]](http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/8012/spacesuit.jpg)
