Some new information came up regarding the personal sponsorship situation for MMA while he was on SlayerS, as it relates to the recent drama between MMA and SlayerS owner Jessica. Jessica replied via twitter, as did a representative from Razer Korea (only to delete the post soon after, leaving just a generic tweet about how slayers and razer korea had a good relationship)
New: Jessica's reply via twitter & Razer Korea rep reply.
@Razer_MidNight DELETED TWEET
"This is Kim, Joon Hee from Razer Korea. Razer headquarters have confirmed that this occurred between Chris Mitchell and Manager J but Manager J, out of ill intent, deliberately kept out offer hidden from owner of Slayers, Kim, Ja Yeon (Jessica)"
@SlayerS_Jessica
I think Chris is leaving out some context. I will write something after I remember and check memory and emails. Chris, you don't have a right to say that... It's all connected.. You don't understand that I'm hiding something for [someone/ambiguous]. I'm off to check.
Chris... we didn't talk about a new sponrsorship, you talked to manager J.
Clarify whether this is this Razer's stance... or the stance of Chris who talked to manager J. Then I'll prepare.
@MitchellChris : Can we stop the drama now. Ultimately we'll never know what has been translated properly. End this chapter (Slayers) here and now.
Original tweet chain @SC2_MMA Corporation R did have an interest in a personal sponsorship with you. Just to reassure you. Source
Later Correction tweet: To clarify: The proposal was rejected by Jessica, but i dont know how it's been translated by "Manager J". Both were copied.
Goro Shigeno @Goro87: @MitchellChris But the million dollar question is what happened to mma's personal sponsorship?Did it go to boxer like MMA thought?Withdrawn?
Chris Mitchell @MitchellChris: @Goro87 It was rejected.
Goro Shigeno @Goro87: @MitchellChris Oh boy now there's opening a can of worms. Rejected by who, manager J or Jessica? That ? is a key part of drama.
Chris Mitchell @MitchellChris: @Goro87 Jessica. Source
The above is in reference to earlier statements and claims:
Jessica's original statement on Inven
In particular, I was disappointed in MMA for being swayed by "J"s claim that I had 'cut' a personal sponsorship that had been offered. I was crushed and disappointed that a player I had taken care of would believe a manager who had only been on for two months, and I don't even know how much I cried. "J" tried to take MMA and some other players to make a new team, and that he would find a sponsor. The important thing is that MMA was willing to along solely on "J"s word, and he only came clean to me once I found out what was going on.
It was right before my code s match versus alive (feb, 15th, 2012). I heard something shocking from manager J that Jessica was forwarding my potential personal sponsor to boxer. I couldn’t believe it. I got confused but I had no one talk to. My mind was heavily burdened for the weeks afterwards
After much turmoil, I confessed to crank about my feelings. We talked a lot. Crank was also sad because he couldn’t do anything for me, so it was hard on him as well. As this went on, I got more stressed and even thought of quitting the game. If I said this to Jessica, I thought manager J would get the blame too so I did not talk.
After, my performance fell and I just focused on the game more since there was nothing I could do about it. Crank suggested that I go talk to boxer as he would know more from a player’s viewpoint. So I talked to boxer. Boxer knew this was dangerous waters so he checked around for a few days and told me that there was nothing of that nature (potential personal sponsor) going on.
Jessica did not release any details about our sponsors so I had no choice but to trust manager J regarding this matter because he was a former employee of corporation R. at the same time, I lost faith in Jessica because of how she treated the players and the arguments she picked with other players (on other teams).
Jessica's reply to MMA's interview via Inven and TIG.
TIG: What do you think of the part where he claims you tried to transfer a personal offer to Boxer? I definitely said it wasn't so. MMA did ask Boxer about it, and Boxer asked me. Honestly, I was disappointed at Boxer then. I told him 'I know so you well, why wouldn't I have told you in that situation.'
Later when I learned the claim was 'personal sponsorship offers for MMA came from companies 'N' and 'S,' but it was attempted to transfer them to Boxer.' Because manager J took care of sponsorship related activities, I contacted those companies to confirm. However, they didn't even know who manager J was.
The personal sponsorship for MMA was switched to a sponsor for Boxer from the sponsor side. You can confirm with the relevant company.
There was another one from manager J, at first he said it was possible for boxer to get a personal sponsorship, but later he said it wasn't possible to sponsor MMA while sponsoring players for other teams.
When I went to confirm, he hadn't even contacted them in the first place. It was all stuff J made up to try and play the team and players against each other.
On October 24 2012 13:57 GungraveHero2 wrote: do you realy need a new thread for that ?
It's a pretty big development. Pretty much catches Jessica in a gigantic lie.
This sucks for MMA. A personal sponsorship would have been massive for a player who didn't have a salary.
I still think that it should go in the same thread, however important it is. And yes, it does seem to break down another piece of Jessica's faltering credibility.
MMA's personal sponsorship was rejected by Jessica. A very unfortunate situation for MMA and a terrible mistake by Jessica. I don't see how she can explain herself on any grounds. MMA was a person she managed, so when he was offered the personal sponsorship she should have been caring/loving enough to accept it without a doubt.
Wait, isn't this irrelevant? The accusations were about actually taking a personal sponsorship for mma and changing it to a personal sponsorship for boxer. The fact that she was offered a sponsorship for mma but couldn't come to an agreement with the company doesn't relate to the matter.
Before everyone jumps to conclusions I'm just going to repeat my post from the other thread...
Why did... indeed, why would Jessica refuse the sponsorship? Did she think it was too little, did it conflict with one of Slayers' sponsors, was it a miscommunication of some kind, or what? Although I agree that she has not proven herself to be a good manager, she doesn't seem like she would just reject this sponsorship out of spite or whatever. Yet again, everyone should wait for the other side of the story before jumping to conclusions and rushing to attack the "other side"...
Also. the later tweets by the Razer guy indicate that manager J was acting as an intermediary/translator. So if he was really as shady as Jessica claims, then...?
to everyone saying this is drama, is this actually drama? its a pretty big issue with serious accusations . i feel like drama is more liek "i tink dis guy is maphacking plz evereyon check" and it gets blown into a huge 100 page topic
Of course it matters. Because we know nothing about this very sponsorship. And Jessica might have reached an agreement with MMA to turn it down and did it on his behalf. Im saying MIGHT here. Really there is no information and you guys are drawing to a conclusion too quick. What Christ says might mean a lot, and it might also mean nothing. If only there are information like when this sponsorship was given, it is going to help the situation a lot. But nothing!
Also, there is actually a part in Jessica's first account on the matter how Slayers lost all the sponsors. I believe she said manager J was meddling with the negotiation giving sponsors ridiculous terms and stuff. Obviously when you delegate such negotiation to a questionable character ( YES YES YES J might be a good guy but just follow the logic here), this guy might have told Jessica that the sponsors are asking for ridiculous stuff too ! Maybe thats why the sponsorship was turned down?
Lastly, Razor announced withdrawal of sponsorship to slayers 19 June. If the personal offer was made after that, Jessica has perfect reason to reject it as most likely the offer will now allow any competitor to sponsor MMA( team sponsorship should be included, MMA cannot wear competitor's logo and stuff right?). As a manager, I believe the smart thing to do is to turn it down, so that it is possible to find interested competitor of Razor to sponsor the whole team ! And MMA as a member of the team, has to make certain necessary sacrifice.
Im not trying to defend Jessica and Boxer, just saying, do not jump to conclusion too fast. The mud may be much deeper than you thought.
--- I got this from Xiaopewpew from page 99 on Crank and MMA's accounts topic. Just want point things out that you all should not jump to conclusions because Razor only tweeted a few words. We don't have an actual statement from Razor or of a direct explanation of this separate case.
On October 24 2012 14:11 Corrosive wrote: to everyone saying this is drama, is this actually drama? its a pretty big issue with serious accusations . i feel like drama is more liek "i tink dis guy is maphacking plz evereyon check" and it gets blown into a huge 100 page topic
If we can reach 200 pages discussing who is more "spoiled," "entitled," or "bitchy," then yeah that's some pretty good drama.
On October 24 2012 14:10 bduddy wrote: Before everyone jumps to conclusions I'm just going to repeat my post from the other thread...
Why did... indeed, why would Jessica refuse the sponsorship? Did she think it was too little, did it conflict with one of Slayers' sponsors, was it a miscommunication of some kind, or what? Although I agree that she has not proven herself to be a good manager, she doesn't seem like she would just reject this sponsorship out of spite or whatever. Yet again, everyone should wait for the other side of the story before jumping to conclusions and rushing to attack the "other side"...
Also. the later tweets by the Razer guy indicate that manager J was acting as an intermediary/translator. So if he was really as shady as Jessica claims, then...?
it appears he did in fact mention Mr 'J', interesting...
Of course it matters. Because we know nothing about this very sponsorship. And Jessica might have reached an agreement with MMA to turn it down and did it on his behalf. Im saying MIGHT here. Really there is no information and you guys are drawing to a conclusion too quick. What Christ says might mean a lot, and it might also mean nothing. If only there are information like when this sponsorship was given, it is going to help the situation a lot. But nothing!
Also, there is actually a part in Jessica's first account on the matter how Slayers lost all the sponsors. I believe she said manager J was meddling with the negotiation giving sponsors ridiculous terms and stuff. Obviously when you delegate such negotiation to a questionable character ( YES YES YES J might be a good guy but just follow the logic here), this guy might have told Jessica that the sponsors are asking for ridiculous stuff too ! Maybe thats why the sponsorship was turned down?
Lastly, Razor announced withdrawal of sponsorship to slayers 19 June. If the personal offer was made after that, Jessica has perfect reason to reject it as most likely the offer will now allow any competitor to sponsor MMA( team sponsorship should be included, MMA cannot wear competitor's logo and stuff right?). As a manager, I believe the smart thing to do is to turn it down, so that it is possible to find interested competitor of Razor to sponsor the whole team ! And MMA as a member of the team, has to make certain necessary sacrifice.
Im not trying to defend Jessica and Boxer, just saying, do not jump to conclusion too fast. The mud may be much deeper than you thought.
--- I got this from Xiaopewpew from page 99 on Crank and MMA's accounts topic. Just want point things out that you all should not jump to conclusions because Razor only tweeted a few words. We don't have an actual statement from Razor or of a direct explanation of this separate case.
Thing is, a lot of that post is no more than speculation like 90% of that thread is.
What we have here is actual fact. MMA was indeed offered a sponsorship and Jessica indeed turn it down. She was caught in a lie based on what she has said.
On October 24 2012 14:13 Haze.884 wrote: Jessica just tweeted that she has proof & statement for countering this statement.. so... more drama shitstorm incoming!
On October 24 2012 14:13 Haze.884 wrote: Jessica just tweeted that she has proof & statement for countering this statement.. so... more drama shitstorm incoming!
I don't think it matters anymore, at least not for me. The whole thing shifted from "everyone has a good share of blame, but Jessica perhaps a bit more" to "Jessica is evil" already, and I don't think many things will change that. (Well, it happened when Crank's call was recorded, but this cements it for me.)
On October 24 2012 14:09 Fyrewolf wrote: Wait, isn't this irrelevant? The accusations were about actually taking a personal sponsorship for mma and changing it to a personal sponsorship for boxer. The fact that she was offered a sponsorship for mma but couldn't come to an agreement with the company doesn't relate to the matter.
No, it's not irrelevant. Look at her original statement.
In particular, I was disappointed in MMA for being swayed by "J"s claim that I had 'cut' a personal sponsorship that had been offered. I was crushed and disappointed that a player I had taken care of would believe a manager who had only been on for two months, and I don't even know how much I cried. "J" tried to take MMA and some other players to make a new team, and that he would find a sponsor. The important thing is that MMA was willing to along solely on "J"s word, and he only came clean to me once I found out what was going on.
This has now been directly contradicted, because she did in fact cut a personal sponsorship that was offered, according to Razer, and MMA did in fact have reason to be suspicious. The reasons why she rejected the sponsorship don't even matter, or if they are even talking about the same sponsorship.
The drama is not about Jessica taking a sponsorship and forwarding it to Boxer; it is really about (and this is the broader umbrella) Jessica taking a sponsorship away from a player without informing that player.
That being said, if Manager J was involved as an intermediary and a translator, it is entirely possible that he mistranslated and led Jessica to reject the offer.
On October 24 2012 14:07 epicanthic wrote: Might as well make Starcraft into a TV series, what with all the ridiculous plot twists and daily doses of drama.
I wish they would ! Korean are great drama film makers.
all of jessica's evidence so far haven't been very helpful the "free MMA deal with liquid" has been proven to be an afterfact from his initial 90K price tag. and the crank tape didn't have anything useful on it to prove that jessica was in the right.
On October 24 2012 14:07 epicanthic wrote: Might as well make Starcraft into a TV series, what with all the ridiculous plot twists and daily doses of drama.
I wish they would ! Korean are great drama film makers.
I doubt that would happen. Jessica might claim copyright.
Razer|MidNight @Razer_MidNight @SlayerS_Jessica Razer Korea 김준희입니다. 이 부분은 저희 본사 이스포츠팀 크리스과 슬레이어스 J매니져 사이에서 발생한 일이며, J매니저가 악의를 가지고 구단주인 김가연씨에게 저희 제안을 전달하지 않은 것으로 확인 되었습니다.
Translation: This is Kim, Joon Hee from Razer Korea. Razer headquarters have confirmed that this deal occured between Chris Mitchell and Manager J but Manager J, out of ill intent, deliberately kept it hidden from former owner of Slayers, Kim, Ja Yeon (Jessica)
I haven't really been following this drama and honestly I didn't really care about any of it. But this is is a little ridiculous. Jessica is out of her mind.
On October 24 2012 14:22 storywriter wrote: Razer|MidNight @Razer_MidNight @SlayerS_Jessica Razer Korea 김준희입니다. 이 부분은 저희 본사 이스포츠팀 크리스과 슬레이어스 J매니져 사이에서 발생한 일이며, J매니저가 악의를 가지고 구단주인 김가연씨에게 저희 제안을 전달하지 않은 것으로 확인 되었습니다.
Translation: This is Kim, Joon Hee from Razer Korea. Razer headquarters have confirmed that this deal occured between Chris Mitchell and Manager J but Manager J, out of ill intent, deliberately kept it hidden from former owner of Slayers, Kim, Ja Yeon (Jessica)
On October 24 2012 14:22 storywriter wrote: Razer|MidNight @Razer_MidNight @SlayerS_Jessica Razer Korea 김준희입니다. 이 부분은 저희 본사 이스포츠팀 크리스과 슬레이어스 J매니져 사이에서 발생한 일이며, J매니저가 악의를 가지고 구단주인 김가연씨에게 저희 제안을 전달하지 않은 것으로 확인 되었습니다.
Translation: This is Kim, Joon Hee from Razer Korea. Razer headquarters have confirmed that this deal occured between Chris Mitchell and Manager J but Manager J, out of ill intent, deliberately kept it hidden from former owner of Slayers, Kim, Ja Yeon (Jessica)
OH MY GOD, Jessica is such an evil bitch! She rejected the personal sponsorship and there's definitive proof in---wait what?
Edit: And again, we got Manager J in the center of this. Why can't people stop focusing so much on Jessica and MMA and try to ask questions about the shadiest figure in all of this, Manager J? And I'm including MMA and Jessica in this...Why can't you two just team up and get answers from Manager J?
On October 24 2012 14:22 storywriter wrote: Razer|MidNight @Razer_MidNight @SlayerS_Jessica Razer Korea 김준희입니다. 이 부분은 저희 본사 이스포츠팀 크리스과 슬레이어스 J매니져 사이에서 발생한 일이며, J매니저가 악의를 가지고 구단주인 김가연씨에게 저희 제안을 전달하지 않은 것으로 확인 되었습니다.
Translation: This is Kim, Joon Hee from Razer Korea. Razer headquarters have confirmed that this deal occured between Chris Mitchell and Manager J but Manager J, out of ill intent, deliberately kept it hidden from former owner of Slayers, Kim, Ja Yeon (Jessica)
On October 24 2012 14:19 Waxangel wrote: Manager "J" continues to live at the center of the cyclone :o
Indeed, the only reason I wanted to quote Xiaopewpew because he made a point that we should not jump to conclusions because it seems all too vague so others would not post rather mindless opinions. Can't believe we have no information on Manager J. Zzz
On October 24 2012 14:22 storywriter wrote: Razer|MidNight @Razer_MidNight @SlayerS_Jessica Razer Korea 김준희입니다. 이 부분은 저희 본사 이스포츠팀 크리스과 슬레이어스 J매니져 사이에서 발생한 일이며, J매니저가 악의를 가지고 구단주인 김가연씨에게 저희 제안을 전달하지 않은 것으로 확인 되었습니다.
Translation: This is Kim, Joon Hee from Razer Korea. Razer headquarters have confirmed that this deal occured between Chris Mitchell and Manager J but Manager J, out of ill intent, deliberately kept it hidden from former owner of Slayers, Kim, Ja Yeon (Jessica)
funny that now people will look at the Op now and think jessica is a liar, then in a hour, less people will look at the OP and still think jessica is a liar, but then she was actually telling the truth all along. Someone needs to make a summary thread me thinks.
On October 24 2012 14:22 storywriter wrote: Razer|MidNight @Razer_MidNight @SlayerS_Jessica Razer Korea 김준희입니다. 이 부분은 저희 본사 이스포츠팀 크리스과 슬레이어스 J매니져 사이에서 발생한 일이며, J매니저가 악의를 가지고 구단주인 김가연씨에게 저희 제안을 전달하지 않은 것으로 확인 되었습니다.
Translation: This is Kim, Joon Hee from Razer Korea. Razer headquarters have confirmed that this deal occured between Chris Mitchell and Manager J but Manager J, out of ill intent, deliberately kept it hidden from former owner of Slayers, Kim, Ja Yeon (Jessica)
Will someone tell me who to be mad at, already? So much anger going to waste due to confusion. F all of you guys, until someone proves their innocence.
On October 24 2012 14:22 storywriter wrote: Razer|MidNight @Razer_MidNight @SlayerS_Jessica Razer Korea 김준희입니다. 이 부분은 저희 본사 이스포츠팀 크리스과 슬레이어스 J매니져 사이에서 발생한 일이며, J매니저가 악의를 가지고 구단주인 김가연씨에게 저희 제안을 전달하지 않은 것으로 확인 되었습니다.
Translation: This is Kim, Joon Hee from Razer Korea. Razer headquarters have confirmed that this deal occured between Chris Mitchell and Manager J but Manager J, out of ill intent, deliberately kept it hidden from former owner of Slayers, Kim, Ja Yeon (Jessica)
On October 24 2012 14:26 masterbreti wrote: funny that now people will look at the Op now and think jessica is a liar, then in a hour, less people will look at the OP and still think jessica is a liar, but then she was actually telling the truth all along. Someone needs to make a summary thread me thinks.
She might have been telling the truth, still doesn't change the fact that she refuses to acknowledge she did something wrong and is pushing all the crap on to her former players instead of wiping some off herself.
On October 24 2012 14:22 storywriter wrote: Razer|MidNight @Razer_MidNight @SlayerS_Jessica Razer Korea 김준희입니다. 이 부분은 저희 본사 이스포츠팀 크리스과 슬레이어스 J매니져 사이에서 발생한 일이며, J매니저가 악의를 가지고 구단주인 김가연씨에게 저희 제안을 전달하지 않은 것으로 확인 되었습니다.
Translation: This is Kim, Joon Hee from Razer Korea. Razer headquarters have confirmed that this deal occured between Chris Mitchell and Manager J but Manager J, out of ill intent, deliberately kept it hidden from former owner of Slayers, Kim, Ja Yeon (Jessica)
Wow. Update the OP!!!
Jessica not caught in a lie as everyone has jumped to it would seem
Basically SlayerS was a communication fiasco. Nobody was fully open to each other. Instead of talking to each other, they were talking behind each other.
On October 24 2012 14:07 epicanthic wrote: Might as well make Starcraft into a TV series, what with all the ridiculous plot twists and daily doses of drama.
Isn't it obvious? This is the entire scenario for Jessica's next acting job...
On October 24 2012 14:26 masterbreti wrote: funny that now people will look at the Op now and think jessica is a liar, then in a hour, less people will look at the OP and still think jessica is a liar, but then she was actually telling the truth all along. Someone needs to make a summary thread me thinks.
Yeah, someone needs to update the original post to include Razer Korea's statement posted by storywriter as well.
On October 24 2012 14:22 storywriter wrote: Razer|MidNight @Razer_MidNight @SlayerS_Jessica Razer Korea 김준희입니다. 이 부분은 저희 본사 이스포츠팀 크리스과 슬레이어스 J매니져 사이에서 발생한 일이며, J매니저가 악의를 가지고 구단주인 김가연씨에게 저희 제안을 전달하지 않은 것으로 확인 되었습니다.
Translation: This is Kim, Joon Hee from Razer Korea. Razer headquarters have confirmed that this deal occured between Chris Mitchell and Manager J but Manager J, out of ill intent, deliberately kept it hidden from former owner of Slayers, Kim, Ja Yeon (Jessica)
God this drama is such a headache. First, the villain was jessica, then when she gave evidence, it became crank and mma, then jessica again, now manager j.
On October 24 2012 14:26 masterbreti wrote: funny that now people will look at the Op now and think jessica is a liar, then in a hour, less people will look at the OP and still think jessica is a liar, but then she was actually telling the truth all along. Someone needs to make a summary thread me thinks.
She might have been telling the truth, still doesn't change the fact that she refuses to acknowledge she did something wrong and is pushing all the crap on to her former players instead of wiping some off herself.
Blah blah blah blah blah, reasons to continue fueling everyone here's hate for Jessica. I dont care about that. All we should be caring about is getting to the bottom of this whole thing. Who was right IN FACT? More importantly, who the hell is Manager J and why aren't we pushing to know more about him and his intentions?
He's been at the center of this since the beginning and even the most vocal players (namely Jessica and some ex-Slayers guys) aren't talking much about him
There's no real contradiction here. Manager J had a deal with Chris Mitchell. He told him that Jessica turned down the sponsor.
The point in contention is whether Jessica know about the deal all along, or whether Manager J kept it hidden from her and made up a story to Chris Mitchell.
On October 24 2012 14:26 masterbreti wrote: funny that now people will look at the Op now and think jessica is a liar, then in a hour, less people will look at the OP and still think jessica is a liar, but then she was actually telling the truth all along. Someone needs to make a summary thread me thinks.
She might have been telling the truth, still doesn't change the fact that she refuses to acknowledge she did something wrong and is pushing all the crap on to her former players instead of wiping some off herself.
Blah blah blah blah blah, reasons to continue fueling everyone here's hate for Jessica. I dont care about that. All we should be caring about is getting to the bottom of this whole thing. Who was right IN FACT? More importantly, who the hell is Manager J and why aren't we pushing to know more about him and his intentions?
Nobody is right. I think we can all conclude that. It's just who is more wrong.
Directly translated Korean sounds sO funny with the overly dramatic expressions in every other sentence. "my mind was heavily burdened", "after much turmoil" and "I was crushed and disappointed".
It makes the whole thing look like a really cheap soap opera.
On October 24 2012 14:26 masterbreti wrote: funny that now people will look at the Op now and think jessica is a liar, then in a hour, less people will look at the OP and still think jessica is a liar, but then she was actually telling the truth all along. Someone needs to make a summary thread me thinks.
She might have been telling the truth, still doesn't change the fact that she refuses to acknowledge she did something wrong and is pushing all the crap on to her former players instead of wiping some off herself.
Blah blah blah blah blah, reasons to continue fueling everyone here's hate for Jessica. I dont care about that. All we should be caring about is getting to the bottom of this whole thing. Who was right IN FACT? More importantly, who the hell is Manager J and why aren't we pushing to know more about him and his intentions?
Nobody is right. I think we can all conclude that. It's just who is more wrong.
This. There is no right. Just who is less wrong. Ugh.
On October 24 2012 14:26 masterbreti wrote: funny that now people will look at the Op now and think jessica is a liar, then in a hour, less people will look at the OP and still think jessica is a liar, but then she was actually telling the truth all along. Someone needs to make a summary thread me thinks.
Someone makes a summary thread, new information comes out 5 minutes later.
I think we should at least have a better idea of things before someone makes a summary, because I'm pretty sure that summary will change 27 times before Sunday
On October 24 2012 14:26 masterbreti wrote: funny that now people will look at the Op now and think jessica is a liar, then in a hour, less people will look at the OP and still think jessica is a liar, but then she was actually telling the truth all along. Someone needs to make a summary thread me thinks.
She might have been telling the truth, still doesn't change the fact that she refuses to acknowledge she did something wrong and is pushing all the crap on to her former players instead of wiping some off herself.
Blah blah blah blah blah, reasons to continue fueling everyone here's hate for Jessica. I dont care about that. All we should be caring about is getting to the bottom of this whole thing. Who was right IN FACT? More importantly, who the hell is Manager J and why aren't we pushing to know more about him and his intentions?
He's been at the center of this since the beginning and even the most vocal players (namely Jessica and some ex-Slayers guys) aren't talking much about him
lol? Of course you don't. You have been shitting on Crank and MMA , doing circle jerks for Jessica since the start of this problem.
And I think you don't understand the situation, when nearly everyone above my post has noticed the answer -> No one is right, everyone is wrong the only problem is who did more wrong.
Until now, people opinions indulged hate upon Jessica's mismanagement or the players. I feel like both parties' are at fault for the downfall of Slayers, but most importantly the mysterious Manager J played a huge factor on the downfall.
On October 24 2012 14:26 masterbreti wrote: funny that now people will look at the Op now and think jessica is a liar, then in a hour, less people will look at the OP and still think jessica is a liar, but then she was actually telling the truth all along. Someone needs to make a summary thread me thinks.
She might have been telling the truth, still doesn't change the fact that she refuses to acknowledge she did something wrong and is pushing all the crap on to her former players instead of wiping some off herself.
Blah blah blah blah blah, reasons to continue fueling everyone here's hate for Jessica. I dont care about that. All we should be caring about is getting to the bottom of this whole thing. Who was right IN FACT? More importantly, who the hell is Manager J and why aren't we pushing to know more about him and his intentions?
Nobody is right. I think we can all conclude that. It's just who is more wrong.
This. There is no right. Just who is less wrong. Ugh.
i don't think that's a fair call. Morality isn't based on relativity.
On October 24 2012 14:26 masterbreti wrote: funny that now people will look at the Op now and think jessica is a liar, then in a hour, less people will look at the OP and still think jessica is a liar, but then she was actually telling the truth all along. Someone needs to make a summary thread me thinks.
She might have been telling the truth, still doesn't change the fact that she refuses to acknowledge she did something wrong and is pushing all the crap on to her former players instead of wiping some off herself.
Blah blah blah blah blah, reasons to continue fueling everyone here's hate for Jessica. I dont care about that. All we should be caring about is getting to the bottom of this whole thing. Who was right IN FACT? More importantly, who the hell is Manager J and why aren't we pushing to know more about him and his intentions?
Nobody is right. I think we can all conclude that. It's just who is more wrong.
This. There is no right. Just who is less wrong. Ugh.
i don't think that's a fair call. Morality isn't based on relativity.
I think it's more than fair to say that nobody is right, at least.
On October 24 2012 14:26 masterbreti wrote: funny that now people will look at the Op now and think jessica is a liar, then in a hour, less people will look at the OP and still think jessica is a liar, but then she was actually telling the truth all along. Someone needs to make a summary thread me thinks.
She might have been telling the truth, still doesn't change the fact that she refuses to acknowledge she did something wrong and is pushing all the crap on to her former players instead of wiping some off herself.
Blah blah blah blah blah, reasons to continue fueling everyone here's hate for Jessica. I dont care about that. All we should be caring about is getting to the bottom of this whole thing. Who was right IN FACT? More importantly, who the hell is Manager J and why aren't we pushing to know more about him and his intentions?
Nobody is right. I think we can all conclude that. It's just who is more wrong.
This. There is no right. Just who is less wrong. Ugh.
i don't think that's a fair call. Morality isn't based on relativity.
So with the tweet from Razer Korea vs the Chris Mitchel Razer rep, it's kind of like foreigners taking anti-Jessica and Koreans being pro-Jessica again (except for Chris Mitchell also adding that he did deal with translation).
Some of the other stories about manager J and other sponsorships that went to Boxer make this all very confusing. Manager J could be the evil at the center of all this, or he could be a scapegoat in his own right (both possibilities based on the fact everyone is blaming him). If he really is a scapegoat, that would kind of make sense as to why no one's actually going after him, except I'm not sure there's anything you can do.
On October 24 2012 14:33 Waxangel wrote: I was thinking of summarizing this entire story for a while, but it's convoluted as fuck and something new always keeps fucking happening
Yeah. I was actually going to request a detailed timeline of everything that happened, including when Manager J got sacked by Razer and when MMA and co signed contracts, because I never really could understand why Crank was under so much fire.
But then as you say, this is like one of the most complicated SC2 dramas we've had.
On October 24 2012 14:37 Ansinjunger wrote: So with the tweet from Razer Korea vs the Chris Mitchel Razer rep, it's kind of like foreigners taking anti-Jessica and Koreans being pro-Jessica again.
Some of the other stories about manager J and other sponsorships that went to Boxer make this all very confusing. Manager J could be the evil at the center of all this, or he could be a scapegoat in his own right (both possibilities based on the fact everyone is blaming him). If he really is a scapegoat, that would kind of make sense as to why no one's actually going after him, except I'm not sure there's anything you can do.
You know, I have been wondering for a while why nobody is doing a lawsuit on him now. If what was said is true, the negotiation stuff must exist in both English and Korean, and someone can compare the translation. If it does not match, there's going to be a suit.
On October 24 2012 14:33 Waxangel wrote: I was thinking of summarizing this entire story for a while, but it's convoluted as fuck and something new always keeps fucking happening
Yeah. I was actually going to request a detailed timeline of everything that happened, including when Manager J got sacked by Razer and when MMA and co signed contracts, because I never really could understand why Crank was under so much fire.
But then as you say, this is like one of the most complicated SC2 dramas we've had.
I think it should be summarized once everything is said and done so there won't be multiple topics ongoing about different scenarios of the Kdrama.
On October 24 2012 14:26 masterbreti wrote: funny that now people will look at the Op now and think jessica is a liar, then in a hour, less people will look at the OP and still think jessica is a liar, but then she was actually telling the truth all along. Someone needs to make a summary thread me thinks.
She might have been telling the truth, still doesn't change the fact that she refuses to acknowledge she did something wrong and is pushing all the crap on to her former players instead of wiping some off herself.
Blah blah blah blah blah, reasons to continue fueling everyone here's hate for Jessica. I dont care about that. All we should be caring about is getting to the bottom of this whole thing. Who was right IN FACT? More importantly, who the hell is Manager J and why aren't we pushing to know more about him and his intentions?
He's been at the center of this since the beginning and even the most vocal players (namely Jessica and some ex-Slayers guys) aren't talking much about him
lol? Of course you don't. You have been shitting on Crank and MMA , doing circle jerks for Jessica since the start of this problem.
And I think you don't understand the situation, when nearly everyone above my post has noticed the answer -> No one is right, everyone is wrong the only problem is who did more wrong.
hahaha...I've been "shitting on Crank and MMA" and "doing circle jerks for Jessica"? Quote me. And while your at it, calm the fuck down. We're talking about SC2 teams across the globe that you watch on your computer screen. Why are you using language like that?
This "no one is right, its just who is less wrong" is just pointless semantics. Youre saying it to sound deep and sophisticated. No I dont understand the situation, neither do you nor "nearly everyone above your post". No one understands the situation. Get off your high horse
On October 24 2012 14:27 playa wrote: Will someone tell me who to be mad at, already? So much anger going to waste due to confusion. F all of you guys, until someone proves their innocence.
it's all good, just email ALL the sponsors! make sure you keep a record of all the emails too to release at a later date, and record all angry phone calls.
So J was allegedly masquerading as Jessica? I fail to understand this guy's motives or actions.
- Gets fired from Razer. - Tells MMA about pending sponsorship(s). - Tells MMA Jessica is forwarding it to Boxer. - MMA gets antsy. - Masquerades as Jessica to reject sponsorship from Razer. - .......?
On October 24 2012 14:26 masterbreti wrote: funny that now people will look at the Op now and think jessica is a liar, then in a hour, less people will look at the OP and still think jessica is a liar, but then she was actually telling the truth all along. Someone needs to make a summary thread me thinks.
She might have been telling the truth, still doesn't change the fact that she refuses to acknowledge she did something wrong and is pushing all the crap on to her former players instead of wiping some off herself.
Blah blah blah blah blah, reasons to continue fueling everyone here's hate for Jessica. I dont care about that. All we should be caring about is getting to the bottom of this whole thing. Who was right IN FACT? More importantly, who the hell is Manager J and why aren't we pushing to know more about him and his intentions?
He's been at the center of this since the beginning and even the most vocal players (namely Jessica and some ex-Slayers guys) aren't talking much about him
lol? Of course you don't. You have been shitting on Crank and MMA , doing circle jerks for Jessica since the start of this problem.
And I think you don't understand the situation, when nearly everyone above my post has noticed the answer -> No one is right, everyone is wrong the only problem is who did more wrong.
hahaha...I've been "shitting on Crank and MMA" and "doing circle jerks for Jessica"? Quote me. And while your at it, calm the fuck down. We're talking about SC2 teams across the globe that you watch on your computer screen. Why are you using language like that?
This "no one is right, its just who is less wrong" is just pointless semantics. Youre saying it to sound deep and sophisticated. No I dont understand the situation, neither do you nor "nearly everyone above your post". No one understands the situation. Get off your high horse
Jessica may be "right" after this is all over, but it doesn't detract from the fact she can't fucking seem to avoid drama. She's all over anything even slightly controversial. And she manages to make things so dramatic.... for example the "remember there are other things I can't mention because I'm protecting someone and it could ruin their career." Like really? FFS.
Getting bored of this drama. I think regardless of the fault here (seems like Manager J), Jessica should step out of esports until she can learn to avoid drama (aka picking fights over twitter, threatening legal action, making everything seem like a gigantic shitstorm or controversy, etc.).
On October 24 2012 14:27 playa wrote: Will someone tell me who to be mad at, already? So much anger going to waste due to confusion. F all of you guys, until someone proves their innocence.
it's all good, just email ALL the sponsors! make sure you keep a record of all the emails too to release at a later date, and record all angry phone calls.
Only sponsor is razor.. well that would make things easier.
On October 24 2012 14:40 Diamond wrote: OMG so much bullshit, why does someone just not interview Manager J..... everyone knows who he is.....
I think only no one confirmed who he is. The community thinks it's Mister J. But what if it's not? Then we'll be framing an innocent person, just like how Jessica is framing her (ex) players.
On October 24 2012 14:37 geokilla wrote: How does Razer Korea's tweet relate to Chris' tweet? Chris says he as dealing with Jessica directly...
Chris later stated that Manager J was acting as an intermediary/translator, or at least claiming to. The Razer Korea tweet opens the possibility that Mgr. J never told Jessica at all, although her tweets seem to imply that she was at least aware of some kind of proposed deal.
Manager J Hui-Chul “Garfield” Jung was born in 1985 in Germany. Since 2005, Hui-Chul has been the Head Manager of Korean gaming team Lunatic-Hai. Since joining the e-sports community in 2001, Hui-Chul has witnessed e-sports become more professional, more interesting, and more prestigious. He sees the development of e-sports as a very positive and valuable experience. By joining the Revolutionary Council and helping to develop and improve the structures in e-sport, he hopes that everyone else is able to enjoy the same great experiences he did. From KODE5
On October 24 2012 14:40 Diamond wrote: OMG so much bullshit, why does someone just not interview Manager J..... everyone knows who he is.....
I think only no one confirmed who he is. The community thinks it's Mister J. But what if it's not? Then we'll be framing an innocent person, just like how Jessica is framing her (ex) players.
He was pretty active with SlayerS back when they took him on as their foreign relations manager and was with them for a lot of their outings (soccer outings, etc). I'm even recalling that MMA had him as their own personal translator for a few foreign events, but I can't be sure. Either way, people who had outings with SlayerS would have known who he was considering he was not a SlayerS player but wore the uniform for their various outings.
I should probably add that the individual sponsorship offer for Boxer was also rejected at the same time. So they might have just put the entire team above individual players. Regards Chris Mitchell
On October 24 2012 14:41 FabledIntegral wrote: Jessica may be "right" after this is all over, but it doesn't detract from the fact she can't fucking seem to avoid drama. She's all over anything even slightly controversial. And she manages to make things so dramatic.... for example the "remember there are other things I can't mention because I'm protecting someone and it could ruin their career." Like really? FFS.
Getting bored of this drama. I think regardless of the fault here (seems like Manager J), Jessica should step out of esports until she can learn to avoid drama (aka picking fights over twitter, threatening legal action, making everything seem like a gigantic shitstorm or controversy, etc.).
I am shocked by this comment. Really. If you are accused of something which you know is false you have no right to rebut it?!
Really? If i said something wrong about you, you dont think its right for you to make a deal o fit?
Man some people on this thread just want thing everythign is a push over. There are times when people have to say something and make sure it comes out correct. That is why there are suits of defamation and libel claims.
So i dont think what Jessica is doing by bring this up is wrong. If she knows she hasn't doen anythign wrong and is a victim she has the right to respond. If she is wron gfine she should just shut up but give the girl a chance.
I should probably add that the individual sponsorship offer for Boxer was also rejected at the same time. So they might have just put the entire team above individual players. Regards Chris Mitchell
Well it looks like new information is still coming in so its hard to form a strong opinion. But this J guy is once again involved and sounds like he is a pretty sadistic and shady person.
On October 24 2012 14:26 masterbreti wrote: funny that now people will look at the Op now and think jessica is a liar, then in a hour, less people will look at the OP and still think jessica is a liar, but then she was actually telling the truth all along. Someone needs to make a summary thread me thinks.
She might have been telling the truth, still doesn't change the fact that she refuses to acknowledge she did something wrong and is pushing all the crap on to her former players instead of wiping some off herself.
Blah blah blah blah blah, reasons to continue fueling everyone here's hate for Jessica. I dont care about that. All we should be caring about is getting to the bottom of this whole thing. Who was right IN FACT? More importantly, who the hell is Manager J and why aren't we pushing to know more about him and his intentions?
He's been at the center of this since the beginning and even the most vocal players (namely Jessica and some ex-Slayers guys) aren't talking much about him
lol? Of course you don't. You have been shitting on Crank and MMA , doing circle jerks for Jessica since the start of this problem.
And I think you don't understand the situation, when nearly everyone above my post has noticed the answer -> No one is right, everyone is wrong the only problem is who did more wrong.
hahaha...I've been "shitting on Crank and MMA" and "doing circle jerks for Jessica"? Quote me. And while your at it, calm the fuck down. We're talking about SC2 teams across the globe that you watch on your computer screen. Why are you using language like that?
This "no one is right, its just who is less wrong" is just pointless semantics. Youre saying it to sound deep and sophisticated. No I dont understand the situation, neither do you nor "nearly everyone above your post". No one understands the situation. Get off your high horse
You are getting too emotional buddy, calm down.
Says the guy using ad hominem towards someone he doesn't even know in defense of...other people he doesn't even know. Pathetic
I should probably add that the individual sponsorship offer for Boxer was also rejected at the same time. So they might have just put the entire team above individual players. Regards Chris Mitchell
On October 24 2012 14:09 Fyrewolf wrote: Wait, isn't this irrelevant? The accusations were about actually taking a personal sponsorship for mma and changing it to a personal sponsorship for boxer. The fact that she was offered a sponsorship for mma but couldn't come to an agreement with the company doesn't relate to the matter.
No, it's not irrelevant. Look at her original statement.
In particular, I was disappointed in MMA for being swayed by "J"s claim that I had 'cut' a personal sponsorship that had been offered. I was crushed and disappointed that a player I had taken care of would believe a manager who had only been on for two months, and I don't even know how much I cried. "J" tried to take MMA and some other players to make a new team, and that he would find a sponsor. The important thing is that MMA was willing to along solely on "J"s word, and he only came clean to me once I found out what was going on.
This has now been directly contradicted, because she did in fact cut a personal sponsorship that was offered, according to Razer, and MMA did in fact have reason to be suspicious. The reasons why she rejected the sponsorship don't even matter, or if they are even talking about the same sponsorship.
The drama is not about Jessica taking a sponsorship and forwarding it to Boxer; it is really about (and this is the broader umbrella) Jessica taking a sponsorship away from a player without informing that player.
That being said, if Manager J was involved as an intermediary and a translator, it is entirely possible that he mistranslated and led Jessica to reject the offer.
The paragraph just before that in the statement is what I was talking about, where the accusations of embezzling were made. + Show Spoiler +
What I found was shocking. "J" had been telling me and the sponsors different things. While he was telling me that things were going along well in a certain way, he was actually not even in contact with the sponsors at all, or handling the negotiations so poorly that they broke down.
The more ridiculous thing was that he was telling the players that I was receiving sponsorships in their names, and embezzling those funds. For certain, SlayerS was being financially and hardware wise through Boxer's personal sponsorship. The players all knew that Boxer was running the team out of own funds, and I could not understand how they could believe what that manager had to say.
In particular, I was disappointed in MMA for being swayed by "J"s claim that I had cut off a personal sponsorship that had been offered.
Razer Korea confirmed anyway that J didn't tell Jessica about it, which we probably could have already assumed since jessica said he was telling her and the sponsors different things. J really seems to have made a giant mess of things(along with, to a slightly lesser extent, everyone else).
On October 24 2012 14:26 masterbreti wrote: funny that now people will look at the Op now and think jessica is a liar, then in a hour, less people will look at the OP and still think jessica is a liar, but then she was actually telling the truth all along. Someone needs to make a summary thread me thinks.
She might have been telling the truth, still doesn't change the fact that she refuses to acknowledge she did something wrong and is pushing all the crap on to her former players instead of wiping some off herself.
Blah blah blah blah blah, reasons to continue fueling everyone here's hate for Jessica. I dont care about that. All we should be caring about is getting to the bottom of this whole thing. Who was right IN FACT? More importantly, who the hell is Manager J and why aren't we pushing to know more about him and his intentions?
He's been at the center of this since the beginning and even the most vocal players (namely Jessica and some ex-Slayers guys) aren't talking much about him
lol? Of course you don't. You have been shitting on Crank and MMA , doing circle jerks for Jessica since the start of this problem.
And I think you don't understand the situation, when nearly everyone above my post has noticed the answer -> No one is right, everyone is wrong the only problem is who did more wrong.
hahaha...I've been "shitting on Crank and MMA" and "doing circle jerks for Jessica"? Quote me. And while your at it, calm the fuck down. We're talking about SC2 teams across the globe that you watch on your computer screen. Why are you using language like that?
This "no one is right, its just who is less wrong" is just pointless semantics. Youre saying it to sound deep and sophisticated. No I dont understand the situation, neither do you nor "nearly everyone above your post". No one understands the situation. Get off your high horse
You are getting too emotional buddy, calm down.
Says the guy using ad hominem towards someone he doesn't even know in defense of...other people he doesn't even know. Pathetic
ad hominem? Lol, I am sorry but if you aren't going to control your emotions then I am not going to reply to you anymore, I am not going to waste my time debating with a guy who uses slander and verbal abuse to get his way. Have a nice day.
There's a reason why J was fired from Razer. Maybe he broke a rule and got kicked out and was out to get back on Razer by using SlayerS as a platform to make it seem like Razer goofed up and should get him reinstated or something.
Also, do the TL forums have a "Hide posts by user" function? I'm getting tired of IMNightmare and his silly antics all over these threads.
On October 24 2012 14:09 Fyrewolf wrote: Wait, isn't this irrelevant? The accusations were about actually taking a personal sponsorship for mma and changing it to a personal sponsorship for boxer. The fact that she was offered a sponsorship for mma but couldn't come to an agreement with the company doesn't relate to the matter.
No, it's not irrelevant. Look at her original statement.
In particular, I was disappointed in MMA for being swayed by "J"s claim that I had 'cut' a personal sponsorship that had been offered. I was crushed and disappointed that a player I had taken care of would believe a manager who had only been on for two months, and I don't even know how much I cried. "J" tried to take MMA and some other players to make a new team, and that he would find a sponsor. The important thing is that MMA was willing to along solely on "J"s word, and he only came clean to me once I found out what was going on.
This has now been directly contradicted, because she did in fact cut a personal sponsorship that was offered, according to Razer, and MMA did in fact have reason to be suspicious. The reasons why she rejected the sponsorship don't even matter, or if they are even talking about the same sponsorship.
The drama is not about Jessica taking a sponsorship and forwarding it to Boxer; it is really about (and this is the broader umbrella) Jessica taking a sponsorship away from a player without informing that player.
That being said, if Manager J was involved as an intermediary and a translator, it is entirely possible that he mistranslated and led Jessica to reject the offer.
The paragraph just before that in the statement is what I was talking about, where the accusations of embezzling were made. + Show Spoiler +
What I found was shocking. "J" had been telling me and the sponsors different things. While he was telling me that things were going along well in a certain way, he was actually not even in contact with the sponsors at all, or handling the negotiations so poorly that they broke down.
The more ridiculous thing was that he was telling the players that I was receiving sponsorships in their names, and embezzling those funds. For certain, SlayerS was being financially and hardware wise through Boxer's personal sponsorship. The players all knew that Boxer was running the team out of own funds, and I could not understand how they could believe what that manager had to say.
In particular, I was disappointed in MMA for being swayed by "J"s claim that I had cut off a personal sponsorship that had been offered.
Razer Korea confirmed anyway that J didn't tell Jessica about it, which we probably could have already assumed since jessica said he was telling her and the sponsors different things. J really seems to have made a giant mess of things(along with, to a slightly lesser extent, everyone else).
On October 24 2012 14:22 storywriter wrote: Razer|MidNight @Razer_MidNight @SlayerS_Jessica Razer Korea 김준희입니다. 이 부분은 저희 본사 이스포츠팀 크리스과 슬레이어스 J매니져 사이에서 발생한 일이며, J매니저가 악의를 가지고 구단주인 김가연씨에게 저희 제안을 전달하지 않은 것으로 확인 되었습니다.
Translation: This is Kim, Joon Hee from Razer Korea. Razer headquarters have confirmed that this deal occured between Chris Mitchell and Manager J but Manager J, out of ill intent, deliberately kept it hidden from former owner of Slayers, Kim, Ja Yeon (Jessica)
On October 24 2012 14:09 Fyrewolf wrote: Wait, isn't this irrelevant? The accusations were about actually taking a personal sponsorship for mma and changing it to a personal sponsorship for boxer. The fact that she was offered a sponsorship for mma but couldn't come to an agreement with the company doesn't relate to the matter.
No, it's not irrelevant. Look at her original statement.
In particular, I was disappointed in MMA for being swayed by "J"s claim that I had 'cut' a personal sponsorship that had been offered. I was crushed and disappointed that a player I had taken care of would believe a manager who had only been on for two months, and I don't even know how much I cried. "J" tried to take MMA and some other players to make a new team, and that he would find a sponsor. The important thing is that MMA was willing to along solely on "J"s word, and he only came clean to me once I found out what was going on.
This has now been directly contradicted, because she did in fact cut a personal sponsorship that was offered, according to Razer, and MMA did in fact have reason to be suspicious. The reasons why she rejected the sponsorship don't even matter, or if they are even talking about the same sponsorship.
The drama is not about Jessica taking a sponsorship and forwarding it to Boxer; it is really about (and this is the broader umbrella) Jessica taking a sponsorship away from a player without informing that player.
That being said, if Manager J was involved as an intermediary and a translator, it is entirely possible that he mistranslated and led Jessica to reject the offer.
The paragraph just before that in the statement is what I was talking about, where the accusations of embezzling were made. + Show Spoiler +
What I found was shocking. "J" had been telling me and the sponsors different things. While he was telling me that things were going along well in a certain way, he was actually not even in contact with the sponsors at all, or handling the negotiations so poorly that they broke down.
The more ridiculous thing was that he was telling the players that I was receiving sponsorships in their names, and embezzling those funds. For certain, SlayerS was being financially and hardware wise through Boxer's personal sponsorship. The players all knew that Boxer was running the team out of own funds, and I could not understand how they could believe what that manager had to say.
In particular, I was disappointed in MMA for being swayed by "J"s claim that I had cut off a personal sponsorship that had been offered.
Razer Korea confirmed anyway that J didn't tell Jessica about it, which we probably could have already assumed since jessica said he was telling her and the sponsors different things. J really seems to have made a giant mess of things(along with, to a slightly lesser extent, everyone else).
This is why you should not make everything that went behind the scenes public in order to direct any blame away from you. Regardless of the outcome, Jessica is on the defensive all the time. She counterattacks here and there but it all just creates more confusion. In the end, it will take another month or two but then she will always be connected to this giant drama surrounding the disbanding of her team. I bet it would have been much better for her to not come out with anything of this, blame the bad team mood and motivational problems for the disbanding and the worst that could happen would be one of the ex players coming out in an interview with a harmless statement such as "not everything was good at Slayers"
so at the end...it's really simple...who is the winner after all this shit storm.
Federation - president resigned Boxer - lost a team Jessica - lost $ and team MMA, Alicia, Crank - potential lawsuit Manager J - who knows Kespa - more ex-slayers player, boxer as SKT1 Coach, and people now lose faith in Federation LoL - get puzzle and Coca
On October 24 2012 14:22 storywriter wrote: Razer|MidNight @Razer_MidNight @SlayerS_Jessica Razer Korea 김준희입니다. 이 부분은 저희 본사 이스포츠팀 크리스과 슬레이어스 J매니져 사이에서 발생한 일이며, J매니저가 악의를 가지고 구단주인 김가연씨에게 저희 제안을 전달하지 않은 것으로 확인 되었습니다.
Translation: This is Kim, Joon Hee from Razer Korea. Razer headquarters have confirmed that this deal occured between Chris Mitchell and Manager J but Manager J, out of ill intent, deliberately kept it hidden from former owner of Slayers, Kim, Ja Yeon (Jessica)
On October 24 2012 14:22 storywriter wrote: Razer|MidNight @Razer_MidNight @SlayerS_Jessica Razer Korea 김준희입니다. 이 부분은 저희 본사 이스포츠팀 크리스과 슬레이어스 J매니져 사이에서 발생한 일이며, J매니저가 악의를 가지고 구단주인 김가연씨에게 저희 제안을 전달하지 않은 것으로 확인 되었습니다.
Translation: This is Kim, Joon Hee from Razer Korea. Razer headquarters have confirmed that this deal occured between Chris Mitchell and Manager J but Manager J, out of ill intent, deliberately kept it hidden from former owner of Slayers, Kim, Ja Yeon (Jessica)
Razer Korea seems to have deleted this tweet now
WHAT
I think I give up trying to understand this now =/
On October 24 2012 14:46 Kenny_oro wrote: New evidence:
I should probably add that the individual sponsorship offer for Boxer was also rejected at the same time. So they might have just put the entire team above individual players. Regards Chris Mitchell
Doesn't this mean razor korea is lying? Wtf is going on?
Depends on the context of 'also'. It might mean that there was another personal sponsorship offer at the given time, or it might mean what most people want to believe in right now (that Jessica redirected the personal sponsorship).
We'll see how Chris Mitchell and Razor Korea works this out. Just give it time.
On October 24 2012 14:46 Kenny_oro wrote: New evidence:
I should probably add that the individual sponsorship offer for Boxer was also rejected at the same time. So they might have just put the entire team above individual players. Regards Chris Mitchell
Doesn't this mean razor korea is lying? Wtf is going on?
Depends on the context of 'also'. It might mean that there was another personal sponsorship offer at the given time, or it might mean what most people want to believe in right now (that Jessica redirected the personal sponsorship).
We'll see how Chris Mitchell and Razor Korea works this out. Just give it time.
On October 24 2012 14:09 Fyrewolf wrote: Wait, isn't this irrelevant? The accusations were about actually taking a personal sponsorship for mma and changing it to a personal sponsorship for boxer. The fact that she was offered a sponsorship for mma but couldn't come to an agreement with the company doesn't relate to the matter.
No, it's not irrelevant. Look at her original statement.
In particular, I was disappointed in MMA for being swayed by "J"s claim that I had 'cut' a personal sponsorship that had been offered. I was crushed and disappointed that a player I had taken care of would believe a manager who had only been on for two months, and I don't even know how much I cried. "J" tried to take MMA and some other players to make a new team, and that he would find a sponsor. The important thing is that MMA was willing to along solely on "J"s word, and he only came clean to me once I found out what was going on.
This has now been directly contradicted, because she did in fact cut a personal sponsorship that was offered, according to Razer, and MMA did in fact have reason to be suspicious. The reasons why she rejected the sponsorship don't even matter, or if they are even talking about the same sponsorship.
The drama is not about Jessica taking a sponsorship and forwarding it to Boxer; it is really about (and this is the broader umbrella) Jessica taking a sponsorship away from a player without informing that player.
That being said, if Manager J was involved as an intermediary and a translator, it is entirely possible that he mistranslated and led Jessica to reject the offer.
The paragraph just before that in the statement is what I was talking about, where the accusations of embezzling were made. + Show Spoiler +
What I found was shocking. "J" had been telling me and the sponsors different things. While he was telling me that things were going along well in a certain way, he was actually not even in contact with the sponsors at all, or handling the negotiations so poorly that they broke down.
The more ridiculous thing was that he was telling the players that I was receiving sponsorships in their names, and embezzling those funds. For certain, SlayerS was being financially and hardware wise through Boxer's personal sponsorship. The players all knew that Boxer was running the team out of own funds, and I could not understand how they could believe what that manager had to say.
In particular, I was disappointed in MMA for being swayed by "J"s claim that I had cut off a personal sponsorship that had been offered.
Razer Korea confirmed anyway that J didn't tell Jessica about it, which we probably could have already assumed since jessica said he was telling her and the sponsors different things. J really seems to have made a giant mess of things(along with, to a slightly lesser extent, everyone else).
Why are you linking a reddit thread that says nothing about that as evidence? It says "I should probably add that the individual sponsorship offer for Boxer was also rejected at the same time. So they might have just put the entire team above individual players. Regards Chris Mitchell". That hasn't said anything about the razor korea tweet, who rejected it, or whether J actually told jessica about it.
On October 24 2012 14:55 DrakeFZX3 wrote: I'm surprised Jessica hasn't sued Manager J or done anything with him other than outing him out.
In this entire situation, it seems Manager J has the least amount "damage" done to.
He's the only person involved in this whole drama that has made no attempt to defend himself or explain his side of the story at all, which is sort of suspicious to me (at this point, who would hire him?) I'd really like to hear what he has to say, if anyone can find him...
On October 24 2012 14:09 Fyrewolf wrote: Wait, isn't this irrelevant? The accusations were about actually taking a personal sponsorship for mma and changing it to a personal sponsorship for boxer. The fact that she was offered a sponsorship for mma but couldn't come to an agreement with the company doesn't relate to the matter.
No, it's not irrelevant. Look at her original statement.
In particular, I was disappointed in MMA for being swayed by "J"s claim that I had 'cut' a personal sponsorship that had been offered. I was crushed and disappointed that a player I had taken care of would believe a manager who had only been on for two months, and I don't even know how much I cried. "J" tried to take MMA and some other players to make a new team, and that he would find a sponsor. The important thing is that MMA was willing to along solely on "J"s word, and he only came clean to me once I found out what was going on.
This has now been directly contradicted, because she did in fact cut a personal sponsorship that was offered, according to Razer, and MMA did in fact have reason to be suspicious. The reasons why she rejected the sponsorship don't even matter, or if they are even talking about the same sponsorship.
The drama is not about Jessica taking a sponsorship and forwarding it to Boxer; it is really about (and this is the broader umbrella) Jessica taking a sponsorship away from a player without informing that player.
That being said, if Manager J was involved as an intermediary and a translator, it is entirely possible that he mistranslated and led Jessica to reject the offer.
The paragraph just before that in the statement is what I was talking about, where the accusations of embezzling were made. + Show Spoiler +
What I found was shocking. "J" had been telling me and the sponsors different things. While he was telling me that things were going along well in a certain way, he was actually not even in contact with the sponsors at all, or handling the negotiations so poorly that they broke down.
The more ridiculous thing was that he was telling the players that I was receiving sponsorships in their names, and embezzling those funds. For certain, SlayerS was being financially and hardware wise through Boxer's personal sponsorship. The players all knew that Boxer was running the team out of own funds, and I could not understand how they could believe what that manager had to say.
In particular, I was disappointed in MMA for being swayed by "J"s claim that I had cut off a personal sponsorship that had been offered.
Razer Korea confirmed anyway that J didn't tell Jessica about it, which we probably could have already assumed since jessica said he was telling her and the sponsors different things. J really seems to have made a giant mess of things(along with, to a slightly lesser extent, everyone else).
Why are you linking a reddit thread that says nothing about that as evidence? It says "I should probably add that the individual sponsorship offer for Boxer was also rejected at the same time. So they might have just put the entire team above individual players. Regards Chris Mitchell". That hasn't said anything about the razor korea tweet, who rejected it, or whether J actually told jessica about it.
because he said he talked with Jessica directly and the only ones who can reject deals are the owners, AKA boxer or jessica, And razer korea tweet has been deleted. -_-
On October 24 2012 14:22 storywriter wrote: Razer|MidNight @Razer_MidNight @SlayerS_Jessica Razer Korea 김준희입니다. 이 부분은 저희 본사 이스포츠팀 크리스과 슬레이어스 J매니져 사이에서 발생한 일이며, J매니저가 악의를 가지고 구단주인 김가연씨에게 저희 제안을 전달하지 않은 것으로 확인 되었습니다.
Translation: This is Kim, Joon Hee from Razer Korea. Razer headquarters have confirmed that this deal occured between Chris Mitchell and Manager J but Manager J, out of ill intent, deliberately kept it hidden from former owner of Slayers, Kim, Ja Yeon (Jessica)
Razer Korea seems to have deleted this tweet now
Surprised if they get out of this unscathed.This is a giant exercise in message discipline and it seems like some part of the marketing department is out of sync.
So the facts are 1. Manager J lied to all parties 2. MMA falling victim to J's lies 3. Jessica felt betrayed by MMA because he believed J's story over Jessica's and acted without confirming J's story
It seems pretty clear to me I don't know why people say its confusing.
On October 24 2012 14:55 DiuLaSing wrote: so at the end...it's really simple...who is the winner after all this shit storm.
Federation - president resigned Boxer - lost a team Jessica - lost $ and team MMA, Alicia, Crank - potential lawsuit Manager J - who knows Kespa - more ex-slayers player, boxer as SKT1 Coach, and people now lose faith in Federation LoL - get puzzle and Coca
On October 24 2012 14:22 storywriter wrote: Razer|MidNight @Razer_MidNight @SlayerS_Jessica Razer Korea 김준희입니다. 이 부분은 저희 본사 이스포츠팀 크리스과 슬레이어스 J매니져 사이에서 발생한 일이며, J매니저가 악의를 가지고 구단주인 김가연씨에게 저희 제안을 전달하지 않은 것으로 확인 되었습니다.
Translation: This is Kim, Joon Hee from Razer Korea. Razer headquarters have confirmed that this deal occured between Chris Mitchell and Manager J but Manager J, out of ill intent, deliberately kept it hidden from former owner of Slayers, Kim, Ja Yeon (Jessica)
Razer Korea seems to have deleted this tweet now
Surprised if they get out of this unscathed.This is a giant exercise in message discipline and it seems like some part of the marketing department is out of sync.
It could also be that more than 1 deal was offered, at different times by different people.
"To clarify: The proposal was rejected. but i dont know how it's been translated by "Manager J". Both were copied."
and there it is. so he did tell both, but chances are, jessica left it to manager J to translate, and probably could've misconstrued it, and then manipulated jessica or Mitchel into thinking there was a no deal. THEN turned it around and told MMA that jessica turned down his personal sponsor.
On October 24 2012 14:22 storywriter wrote: Razer|MidNight @Razer_MidNight @SlayerS_Jessica Razer Korea 김준희입니다. 이 부분은 저희 본사 이스포츠팀 크리스과 슬레이어스 J매니져 사이에서 발생한 일이며, J매니저가 악의를 가지고 구단주인 김가연씨에게 저희 제안을 전달하지 않은 것으로 확인 되었습니다.
Translation: This is Kim, Joon Hee from Razer Korea. Razer headquarters have confirmed that this deal occured between Chris Mitchell and Manager J but Manager J, out of ill intent, deliberately kept it hidden from former owner of Slayers, Kim, Ja Yeon (Jessica)
Razer Korea seems to have deleted this tweet now
Surprised if they get out of this unscathed.This is a giant exercise in message discipline and it seems like some part of the marketing department is out of sync.
Think about it, MMA or the woman of Boxer. Who would you support?
On October 24 2012 14:55 DiuLaSing wrote: so at the end...it's really simple...who is the winner after all this shit storm.
Federation - president resigned Boxer - lost a team Jessica - lost $ and team MMA, Alicia, Crank - potential lawsuit Manager J - who knows Kespa - more ex-slayers player, boxer as SKT1 Coach, and people now lose faith in Federation LoL - get puzzle and Coca
Can we get Rekrul to make a thread explaining how manager J worked for Kespa all along and attempted to destroy ESF so they could take over the world( of starcraft ) and get it over with?
On October 24 2012 14:58 dongmydrum wrote: So the facts are 1. Manager J lied to all parties 2. MMA falling victim to J's lies 3. Jessica felt betrayed by MMA because he believed J's story over Jessica's and acted without confirming J's story
It seems pretty clear to me I don't know why people say its confusing.
This is probably one of the only things people can say about this whole incident with any certainty.
On October 24 2012 15:01 Dodgin wrote: Can we get Rekrul to make a thread explaining how manager J worked for Kespa all along and attempted to destroy ESF so they could take over the world( of starcraft ) and get it over with?
Here's the infamous 'Manager J', also known as Hui-Chul "Garfield" Jung, with MMA (translating) right after he won Bluzzard Cup being interviewed by Rachel for CyberSportsNetwrok.
On October 24 2012 14:22 storywriter wrote: Razer|MidNight @Razer_MidNight @SlayerS_Jessica Razer Korea 김준희입니다. 이 부분은 저희 본사 이스포츠팀 크리스과 슬레이어스 J매니져 사이에서 발생한 일이며, J매니저가 악의를 가지고 구단주인 김가연씨에게 저희 제안을 전달하지 않은 것으로 확인 되었습니다.
Translation: This is Kim, Joon Hee from Razer Korea. Razer headquarters have confirmed that this deal occured between Chris Mitchell and Manager J but Manager J, out of ill intent, deliberately kept it hidden from former owner of Slayers, Kim, Ja Yeon (Jessica)
Razer Korea seems to have deleted this tweet now
Surprised if they get out of this unscathed.This is a giant exercise in message discipline and it seems like some part of the marketing department is out of sync.
Think about it, MMA or the woman of Boxer. Who would you support?
Who had to work harder to get where they got? Who earned it themselves vs had it handed to them?
This is like a parable.
Korean esports drama is the best. This dwarves everything else that's happened up until now in SC2. Really...
What did we have before? Stephano quits ONOG finals to goto Sleep.
This story has everything. Love, Legends, Up and comers, team drama, cultures issues. This story is the SC2 story.
lol, the best part about this drama is that it never ends, tomorrow were gonna see jessica post another proof of hers to counteract this and everyone will believe her, only to be followed by a response from MMA that makes everyone believe MMA
On October 24 2012 14:22 storywriter wrote: Razer|MidNight @Razer_MidNight @SlayerS_Jessica Razer Korea 김준희입니다. 이 부분은 저희 본사 이스포츠팀 크리스과 슬레이어스 J매니져 사이에서 발생한 일이며, J매니저가 악의를 가지고 구단주인 김가연씨에게 저희 제안을 전달하지 않은 것으로 확인 되었습니다.
Translation: This is Kim, Joon Hee from Razer Korea. Razer headquarters have confirmed that this deal occured between Chris Mitchell and Manager J but Manager J, out of ill intent, deliberately kept it hidden from former owner of Slayers, Kim, Ja Yeon (Jessica)
Razer Korea seems to have deleted this tweet now
Surprised if they get out of this unscathed.This is a giant exercise in message discipline and it seems like some part of the marketing department is out of sync.
Think about it, MMA or the woman of Boxer. Who would you support?
Korean marketing department? Clearly Jessica and Boxer. Wouldn't want to get blacklisted by them.
Razor? Well I would have avoided this shift-fest even if that would have been the less ethical choice. Then when someone formally asked for evidence supply a confirmation of what transpired and then leaving the matter to sort itself. Never engage with Jessica.
That said I would have their heads if I was Razor for publicly contradicting the firm. If a correction or clarification was released by razor HQ then that would have been appropriate.
On October 24 2012 14:22 storywriter wrote: Razer|MidNight @Razer_MidNight @SlayerS_Jessica Razer Korea 김준희입니다. 이 부분은 저희 본사 이스포츠팀 크리스과 슬레이어스 J매니져 사이에서 발생한 일이며, J매니저가 악의를 가지고 구단주인 김가연씨에게 저희 제안을 전달하지 않은 것으로 확인 되었습니다.
Translation: This is Kim, Joon Hee from Razer Korea. Razer headquarters have confirmed that this deal occured between Chris Mitchell and Manager J but Manager J, out of ill intent, deliberately kept it hidden from former owner of Slayers, Kim, Ja Yeon (Jessica)
Razer Korea seems to have deleted this tweet now
Surprised if they get out of this unscathed.This is a giant exercise in message discipline and it seems like some part of the marketing department is out of sync.
Think about it, MMA or the woman of Boxer. Who would you support?
Korean marketing department? Clearly Jessica and Boxer. Wouldn't want to get blacklisted by them.
Razor? Well I would have avoided this shift-fest even if that would have been the less ethical choice. Then when someone formally asked for evidence supply a confirmation of what transpired and then leaving the matter to sort itself. Never engage with Jessica.
That said I would have their heads if I was Razor for publicly contradicting the firm. If a correction or clarification was released by razor HQ then that would have been appropriate.
Pretty sure Chris works at the main razer headquarters and Razer korea is just a sub office. Just like nintendo America is to Nintendo Japan.
On October 24 2012 15:04 Namunelbo wrote: Here's the infamous 'Manager J', also known as Hui-Chul "Garfield" Jung, with MMA right after he won Bluzzard Cup being interviewed by Rachel for CyberSportsNetwrok.
On October 24 2012 15:04 Namunelbo wrote: Here's the infamous 'Manager J', also known as Hui-Chul "Garfield" Jung, with MMA right after he won Bluzzard Cup being interviewed by Rachel for CyberSportsNetwrok.
On October 24 2012 14:22 storywriter wrote: Razer|MidNight @Razer_MidNight @SlayerS_Jessica Razer Korea 김준희입니다. 이 부분은 저희 본사 이스포츠팀 크리스과 슬레이어스 J매니져 사이에서 발생한 일이며, J매니저가 악의를 가지고 구단주인 김가연씨에게 저희 제안을 전달하지 않은 것으로 확인 되었습니다.
Translation: This is Kim, Joon Hee from Razer Korea. Razer headquarters have confirmed that this deal occured between Chris Mitchell and Manager J but Manager J, out of ill intent, deliberately kept it hidden from former owner of Slayers, Kim, Ja Yeon (Jessica)
Razer Korea seems to have deleted this tweet now
Surprised if they get out of this unscathed.This is a giant exercise in message discipline and it seems like some part of the marketing department is out of sync.
Think about it, MMA or the woman of Boxer. Who would you support?
Korean marketing department? Clearly Jessica and Boxer. Wouldn't want to get blacklisted by them.
Razor? Well I would have avoided this shift-fest even if that would have been the less ethical choice. Then when someone formally asked for evidence supply a confirmation of what transpired and then leaving the matter to sort itself. Never engage with Jessica.
That said I would have their heads if I was Razor for publicly contradicting the firm. If a correction or clarification was released by razor HQ then that would have been appropriate. Pretty sure Chris works at the main razer headquarters and Razer korea is just a sub office. Just like nintendo America is to Nintendo Japan.
Sorry commenting on Razor Korea's independent contradiction with RazorHQ's comments.
Can't believe the ingratitude. So Razor provides some testimony about their interaction with Slayers that actually clarifies matters and settles some of the claims by MMA and we're calling this inciting drama?!?
Also Manager J has suddenly become Satan without any proof or reason to believe any of the claims by an unreliable source.
breaking news, manager j was smurfing as coca and byun and got them both suspended manager j removed the natural depots from metropolis manager j pulled the plug when mkp-parting played manager j also is stopping stephano from playing in the gsl manager j suggested the idea of hybrid proleague too
On October 24 2012 15:07 ramask2 wrote: Why would J turn down a personal sponsor....? If its money he wants, he could have forwarded it to his account. It just seems so weird.
so J tells Razer to send the money to his account and tell Jessica and MMA that the negotiation is off? and then MMA walks around wearing their logo even though there is no sponsor?
On October 24 2012 15:07 ramask2 wrote: Why would J turn down a personal sponsor....? If its money he wants, he could have forwarded it to his account. It just seems so weird.
so J tells Razer to send the money to his account and tell Jessica and MMA that the negotiation is off? and then MMA walks around wearing their logo even though there is no sponsor?
There was a team sponsorship from Razer with SlayerS. They might have wanted to do a Parting/Bomber type of deal with MMA.
On October 24 2012 15:07 ramask2 wrote: Why would J turn down a personal sponsor....? If its money he wants, he could have forwarded it to his account. It just seems so weird.
Bought out by Coach Won? I wouldn't be surprised if this incident is connected with the ESF vs Slayers bullying incident thus completing the circle of life.
On October 24 2012 15:07 ramask2 wrote: Why would J turn down a personal sponsor....? If its money he wants, he could have forwarded it to his account. It just seems so weird.
so J tells Razer to send the money to his account and tell Jessica and MMA that the negotiation is off? and then MMA walks around wearing their logo even though there is no sponsor?
Maybe he knew he couldn't accept it unless Jessica said yes, that SlayerS also accepted it.
On October 24 2012 15:07 ramask2 wrote: Why would J turn down a personal sponsor....? If its money he wants, he could have forwarded it to his account. It just seems so weird.
Bought out by Coach Won? I wouldn't be surprised if this incident is connected with the ESF vs Slayers bullying incident thus completing the circle of life.
LOL!!
*Raises arms*
I give up, I'll come back to this in a week and read the summaries haha.
...I hope this will end soon...I really feel for them. Those who think this is fun to watch, get a heart. To you this may be funny to watch like a drama because you are not involved in it. Those who ARE involved....they are going through an extremely difficult time, the least you can do is just show respect and not say anything instead of saying "Oh, time to get more popcorn....damn i love this drama...."
On October 24 2012 15:12 opterown wrote: breaking news, manager j was smurfing as coca and byun and got them both suspended manager j removed the natural depots from metropolis manager j pulled the plug when mkp-parting played manager j also is stopping stephano from playing in the gsl manager j suggested the idea of hybrid proleague too
etcetc.
manager J revealed to be Dustin Browder wearing tophat, monocle and sporting a mustachio :o
On October 24 2012 15:15 dynwar7 wrote: ...I hope this will end soon...I really feel for them. Those who think this is fun to watch, get a heart. To you this may be funny to watch like a drama because you are not involved in it. Those who ARE involved....they are going through an extremely difficult time, the least you can do is just show respect and not say anything instead of saying "Oh, time to get more popcorn....damn i love this drama...."
At least Korean netizens are taking Jessica's side. Crank has TB, but what is going on with MMA and alicia? They seem to have just disappeared. sad stuff.
On October 24 2012 15:12 opterown wrote: breaking news, manager j was smurfing as coca and byun and got them both suspended manager j removed the natural depots from metropolis manager j pulled the plug when mkp-parting played manager j also is stopping stephano from playing in the gsl manager j suggested the idea of hybrid proleague too
etcetc.
Ooh, this is fun!
-Manager J took away oGs' and Zenex's sponsors -Manager J leaked the ROOT chatlogs -Manager J decides the team battle map pools -Manager J created the MLG vs. Proleague format -Manager J killed HoTS
The last time something this big happened (match fixing scandal) 3 teams died due to sponsors pulling out. With this type of thing keep on happening, its no wonder sponsors are reluctant to put money into esport.
On October 24 2012 15:07 ramask2 wrote: Why would J turn down a personal sponsor....? If its money he wants, he could have forwarded it to his account. It just seems so weird.
so J tells Razer to send the money to his account and tell Jessica and MMA that the negotiation is off? and then MMA walks around wearing their logo even though there is no sponsor?
As someone mentioned, I believe Razer was already sponsoring the Slayers team in some capacity, so it wouldn't be too weird.
KimKaYeon @SlayerS_Jessica 이것이 레이저사의 입장인지.. J매니져와 대화햇던 크리스의 입장인지 명확히 밝히세요 그럼 나도 준비를 할께요 Is this the perspective of Razer... or is it the opinion of Chris that Manager J has been talking to, please clarify. I will prepare.
KimKaYeon @SlayerS_Jessica 크리스..당신과 나는 새로운 스폰서쉅에 대해서 얘기하지 않고 J매니저와 얘기햇어요 Chris, you and I did not talk about a new sponsorship, you talked to Manager J
KimKaYeon @SlayerS_Jessica 크리스가 얘기를 앞뒤 상황잘라먹고 하는거 같네요 제 기억과 이메일 확인 작업후 올릴께요 크리스.. 그럴 말할 자격 없을텐데요.. 모든게 연관이 잇다는걸 .. 제가 감춰주는게 있다는걸 이해 못하는군요. 전 그럼 확인 갑니다 It seems that Chris is cutting out the front and back of the story. I will post my memory [of this] and after checking my email once I'm done with work... You're not qualified to say things like that... everything is connected... You don't understand that I'm trying to hide something for you (as in to protect him from something?).. then I will go check now.
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It seems to me that Jessica is the one leaving things out of her story. Either reveal everything or don't reveal anything.
Its all clear to me, Razor korea wanted to shmooze to their benefactor and "friend" but they dont have the facts on their side so they have to back out. Their follow up statement about them standing with slayers and such is just so cynical in light of all this... whoever is defending Jessica and shitting on players should be ashamed of themselves at this point IMO.
This might be simplistic but I think this is a case of powerful people with powerful industry behind them (Jessica and Razor korea & korea in general) against little people (MMA, Crank and even Manger J). But in this case they went too to far hurt these people and some in the industry have leaked the truth (chris).
On October 24 2012 15:24 geokilla wrote: KimKaYeon @SlayerS_Jessica 크리스가 얘기를 앞뒤 상황잘라먹고 하는거 같네요 제 기억과 이메일 확인 작업후 올릴께요 크리스.. 그럴 말할 자격 없을텐데요.. 모든게 연관이 잇다는걸 .. 제가 감춰주는게 있다는걸 이해 못하는군요. 전 그럼 확인 갑니다 It seems that Chris is cutting out the front and back of the story. I will post my memory [of this] and after checking my email once I'm done with work... You're not qualified to say things like that... everything is connected... You don't understand that I'm trying to hide something for you (as in to protect him from something?).. then I will go check now.
I wonder why she always felt the need to sound so aggressive all the time....
On October 24 2012 15:12 opterown wrote: breaking news, manager j was smurfing as coca and byun and got them both suspended manager j removed the natural depots from metropolis manager j pulled the plug when mkp-parting played manager j also is stopping stephano from playing in the gsl manager j suggested the idea of hybrid proleague too
etcetc.
roflcopter, opter!
don't forget manager j also created abominations like -infestor/broodlords -forcefields -the collosus
manager j is also responsible for -the extended series -cancer and/or aids
Its all clear to me, Razor korea wanted to shmooze to their benefactor and "friend" but they dont have the facts on their side so they have to back out. Their follow up statement about them standing with slayers and such is just so cynical in light of all this... whoever is defending Jessica and shitting on players should be ashamed of themselves at this point IMO.
This might be simplistic but I think this is a case of powerful people with powerful industry behind them (Jessica and Razor korea & korea in general) against little people (MMA, Crank and even Manger J). But in this case they went too to far hurt these people and some in the industry have leaked the truth (chris).
LOL, conspiracy theory? dont think too much, is best to wait for the whole story before jumping to conclusion. Even if you made a smart and correct guess, you wont get anything. But if you turn out to be wrong, it just made you look very silly.
Everybody is jumping onto different bandwagons. All these have no conclusion, and may never have any. We are not supposed to judge anybody base on stories that are coming out in parts and pieces.
On October 24 2012 15:12 opterown wrote: breaking news, manager j was smurfing as coca and byun and got them both suspended manager j removed the natural depots from metropolis manager j pulled the plug when mkp-parting played manager j also is stopping stephano from playing in the gsl manager j suggested the idea of hybrid proleague too
etcetc.
roflcopter, opter!
don't forget manager j also created abominations like -infestor/broodlords -forcefields -the collosus
manager j is also responsible for -the extended series -cancer and/or aids
Remember the accusations about Manager J wanting to lure MMA away from SlayerS and onto his team ...?
professionals don't trickle out details of situations like this. children behave this way. if you are going to release things publicly, it's in your best interest to not only release everything at once, but to actually do it objectively. even where you were at fault. then you let people judge. this all seems incredibly underhanded. since no one can actually be mature about it, none of it should be public. people are all working for personal gain but are ruining not only their own images, but that of those around them.
if some of this is true, legal action will be taken. in so doing much of what is being said is simply going to fuel the fire and make this pretty one-sided. people who love chaos don't tend to be very good at being accountable when the time comes.
just ask yourself what kind of person initiates all of this in a public forum? it's not someone who is holding all of the cards. it's someone who is trying to be manipulative. also, boxer's image was doing just fine. everyone already knew slayers was dead without him.
just use your common sense and stop contributing to all of this. let nature take its course.
On October 24 2012 14:58 dongmydrum wrote: So the facts are 1. Manager J lied to all parties 2. MMA falling victim to J's lies 3. Jessica felt betrayed by MMA because he believed J's story over Jessica's and acted without confirming J's story
It seems pretty clear to me I don't know why people say its confusing.
There's far too much being diverted onto this "Manager J" for his personality and actions to be believable. So far, he allegedly infiltrated the team and stayed with them for a few months, became the guy who "deals with sponsors", or at the very least is the sponsors' main contact. Then he somehow caused all sponsors to drop their sponsorship, rejected MMA's personal sponsorship during all that, then instigated players within the team to distrust the owners, and left.
In all this, he doesn't stand to gain anything (financially) from doing any of this. In fact, everybody knows who he is, so he had to know he could easily end up being sued over a number of things by a number of people, or at the very least putting himself in a very unpleasant situation.
Conveniently, he doesn't speak, Jessica doesn't seem to be going after him at all. He's ONLY ever mentioned when everything that ever went wrong with Slayers on the management side needs to be diverted to him and his nefarious schemes. Somehow all the blame for what happened to the team is then shifted directly to players and they are the main target, being publicly dragged through the dirt, being called cancer, thugs, and whatnot. Not "Manager J".
On October 24 2012 15:12 opterown wrote: breaking news, manager j was smurfing as coca and byun and got them both suspended manager j removed the natural depots from metropolis manager j pulled the plug when mkp-parting played manager j also is stopping stephano from playing in the gsl manager j suggested the idea of hybrid proleague too
etcetc.
roflcopter, opter!
don't forget manager j also created abominations like -infestor/broodlords -forcefields -the collosus
manager j is also responsible for -the extended series -cancer and/or aids
Remember the accusations about Manager J wanting to lure MMA away from SlayerS and onto his team ...?
MMA's negotiating with EG.
EG's CEO is Alex Garfield.
Manager J's English name is "Garfield."
:O
Garfield is also the name of a popular cartoon cat, who lived with a dog named Odie. Dignitas Odee?
Has this 'mysterious J' left the scene ever since Jessica kicked him out of the team or has he been watching closely from the shadows?
Jessica mentioned abruptly back then (before this drama) on how the Slayers social media accounts (twitter and facebook) were not associated with the team anymore, due to reasons she couldn't reveal. But we all know as of now that those accounts were managed by "J". Were the accounts given back to the team? or was "J" still in hold of those accounts? I doubt the accounts were reclaimed back by the team, if I recall correctly, sometime later after the disassociation with the accounts Jessica mentioned how from there onwards her own Twitter will be used as the team's official account.
Since then, there wasn't much activity in those accounts until early this month (October), when the non-official twitter became active again, and this time sparked the early rumors about Slayers disbanding http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=373628 .
God I really hope this ends with jessica telling razer off and then the whole company coming down to crush her and finally silencer her in the esports scene forever.
Man, if somehow manager J shows up with evidences that he did nothing and that MMA's offer was actually denied by Jessica, I can't think of how much drama it would stir up. Internet would not be able to handle it
On October 24 2012 15:42 hunts wrote: God I really hope this ends with jessica telling razer off and then the whole company coming down to crush her and finally silencer her in the esports scene forever.
why you hate her so much ? she have try to build a team with boxer and now she just defending herself with what we start to know , are false accusation .
maybe if mma crank ect would have not lie or say what they did ( with no proof ) in big interview , that everyone read , something like that would have not happen in the first place
On October 24 2012 15:12 opterown wrote: breaking news, manager j was smurfing as coca and byun and got them both suspended manager j removed the natural depots from metropolis manager j pulled the plug when mkp-parting played manager j also is stopping stephano from playing in the gsl manager j suggested the idea of hybrid proleague too
etcetc.
roflcopter, opter!
don't forget manager j also created abominations like -infestor/broodlords -forcefields -the collosus
manager j is also responsible for -the extended series -cancer and/or aids
Remember the accusations about Manager J wanting to lure MMA away from SlayerS and onto his team ...?
MMA's negotiating with EG.
EG's CEO is Alex Garfield.
Manager J's English name is "Garfield."
:O
Garfield is also the name of a popular cartoon cat, who lived with a dog named Odie. Dignitas Odee?
HOW DEEP DOES IT GO?!
Isn't EG's big sponsor Steel Series.. That could have been why he didn't want the sponsorship with Razer.. Conflicts of interest
If it weren't for tossgirl and January, my perspective of females in SC2 would be more sexist. I just feel like Boxer didn't have this drama when he did things by himself. Instead he was more worried what Booth space suit he would wear.
On October 24 2012 15:42 hunts wrote: God I really hope this ends with jessica telling razer off and then the whole company coming down to crush her and finally silencer her in the esports scene forever.
why you hate her so much ? she have try to build a team with boxer and now she just defending herself with what we start to know , are false accusation .
maybe if mma crank ect would have not lie or say what they did ( with no proof ) in big interview , that everyone read , something like that would have not happen in the first place
i think it's more that jessica is lying and saying bad things, while the accusations are true!
On October 24 2012 15:12 opterown wrote: breaking news, manager j was smurfing as coca and byun and got them both suspended manager j removed the natural depots from metropolis manager j pulled the plug when mkp-parting played manager j also is stopping stephano from playing in the gsl manager j suggested the idea of hybrid proleague too
etcetc.
roflcopter, opter!
don't forget manager j also created abominations like -infestor/broodlords -forcefields -the collosus
manager j is also responsible for -the extended series -cancer and/or aids
Remember the accusations about Manager J wanting to lure MMA away from SlayerS and onto his team ...?
MMA's negotiating with EG.
EG's CEO is Alex Garfield.
Manager J's English name is "Garfield."
:O
Garfield is also the name of a popular cartoon cat, who lived with a dog named Odie. Dignitas Odee?
HOW DEEP DOES IT GO?!
It turns out manager J is actually Jessica herself, she's really a schizo like the guy in fight club and has been living a double life this whole time, one as the girlfriend of boxer, and one as the CEO of the imaginary team "EG" who then infiltrates slayers to sabotage them from within, not realize that it's herself that she's trying to sabotage.
Ugh, can we all just stop talking about this and move on with our lives? Nothing good is coming out of dragging this shit fest out longer than it already has been.
On October 24 2012 15:42 hunts wrote: God I really hope this ends with jessica telling razer off and then the whole company coming down to crush her and finally silencer her in the esports scene forever.
why you hate her so much ? she have try to build a team with boxer and now she just defending herself with what we start to know , are false accusation .
maybe if mma crank ect would have not lie or say what they did ( with no proof ) in big interview , that everyone read , something like that would have not happen in the first place
i think it's more that jessica is lying and saying bad things, while the accusations are true!
it's all dependant on perspective!
perspective ? jessica got proof , and she posted them , most people in korea are with jessica too and mma and crank are the one who have say bad things , they are the one to blame and they got no proof .
KimKaYeon @SlayerS_Jessica 이것이 레이저사의 입장인지.. J매니져와 대화햇던 크리스의 입장인지 명확히 밝히세요 그럼 나도 준비를 할께요 Is this the perspective of Razer... or is it the opinion of Chris that Manager J has been talking to, please clarify. I will prepare.
KimKaYeon @SlayerS_Jessica 크리스..당신과 나는 새로운 스폰서쉅에 대해서 얘기하지 않고 J매니저와 얘기햇어요 Chris, you and I did not talk about a new sponsorship, you talked to Manager J
KimKaYeon @SlayerS_Jessica 크리스가 얘기를 앞뒤 상황잘라먹고 하는거 같네요 제 기억과 이메일 확인 작업후 올릴께요 크리스.. 그럴 말할 자격 없을텐데요.. 모든게 연관이 잇다는걸 .. 제가 감춰주는게 있다는걸 이해 못하는군요. 전 그럼 확인 갑니다 It seems that Chris is cutting out the front and back of the story. I will post my memory [of this] and after checking my email once I'm done with work... You're not qualified to say things like that... everything is connected... You don't understand that I'm trying to hide something for you (as in to protect him from something?).. then I will go check now.
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It seems to me that Jessica is the one leaving things out of her story. Either reveal everything or don't reveal anything.
In Korean culture, you don't go out for a fight if you're not prepared. Jessica always has her research done which is why she pwns everyone in any argument. Someone threw out a curve ball and Jessica was caught in a state of "what the fuck?!" She asks for clarification and then does her research. She, as well as Cella, had mentioned before about hiding details to protect the players. Mistakes that were made were admitted to (mostly by Cella) but were not going to be revealed in order to protect identities and allow for careers to advance. Seems possible for her to have been hiding something, but not something detrimental. I don't see a mistake on her part YET (talking about this situation only)
On October 24 2012 15:42 hunts wrote: God I really hope this ends with jessica telling razer off and then the whole company coming down to crush her and finally silencer her in the esports scene forever.
why you hate her so much ? she have try to build a team with boxer and now she just defending herself with what we start to know , are false accusation .
maybe if mma crank ect would have not lie or say what they did ( with no proof ) in big interview , that everyone read , something like that would have not happen in the first place
i think it's more that jessica is lying and saying bad things, while the accusations are true!
it's all dependant on perspective!
perspective ? jessica got proof , and she posted them , most people in korea are with jessica too and mma and crank are the one who have say bad things , they are the one to blame and they got no proof .
no. most people in korea are with boxer. so jessica can do no wrong. this is how society works. people are dumb.
On October 24 2012 15:42 hunts wrote: God I really hope this ends with jessica telling razer off and then the whole company coming down to crush her and finally silencer her in the esports scene forever.
why you hate her so much ? she have try to build a team with boxer and now she just defending herself with what we start to know , are false accusation .
maybe if mma crank ect would have not lie or say what they did ( with no proof ) in big interview , that everyone read , something like that would have not happen in the first place
i think it's more that jessica is lying and saying bad things, while the accusations are true!
it's all dependant on perspective!
perspective ? jessica got proof , and she posted them , most people in korea are with jessica too and mma and crank are the one who have say bad things , they are the one to blame and they got no proof .
I don't know what's considered "proof" in Korea, but I certainly wouldn't consider anything she released a proof for any of her claims.
She released a phone call that made Crank look bad in Korea because he raised his voice, cried, and addressed elders informally - that whole conversation was just a lot of smoke and nothing of real importance. It doesn't prove anything.
On October 24 2012 15:42 hunts wrote: God I really hope this ends with jessica telling razer off and then the whole company coming down to crush her and finally silencer her in the esports scene forever.
why you hate her so much ? she have try to build a team with boxer and now she just defending herself with what we start to know , are false accusation .
maybe if mma crank ect would have not lie or say what they did ( with no proof ) in big interview , that everyone read , something like that would have not happen in the first place
i think it's more that jessica is lying and saying bad things, while the accusations are true!
it's all dependant on perspective!
perspective ? jessica got proof , and she posted them , most people in korea are with jessica too and mma and crank are the one who have say bad things , they are the one to blame and they got no proof .
and as Waxangel has posted many times, Jessica has managed to contradict herself already with her statements On October 24 2012 15:22 Waxangel wrote: btw whatever happened to this?
"Q: What about his assertion on hiding information on transfers?
A: I hid nothing. I search for teams because he wanted to move to a foreign team. A foreign team asked me how much it would cost to transfer MMA. So I simply stated his value.
I told this team how much it would be after combining their offer on salaries, various costs for taking care of MMA, and the money needed to be paid to me for his remaining contractual period. I actually said that it would be better for them to use this amount to acquire our team as a whole. But I never received any replies. The negotiation didn't fail, but rather I simply replied to their request and even suggested an acquisition."
doesn't that directly contradict her denial of blocking a foreign move by calling a big transfer fee?
Obviously, she has made obvious mistake number one by admitting to having the cost of MMA=the cost of acquiring Slayers as a whole.
On October 24 2012 15:42 hunts wrote: God I really hope this ends with jessica telling razer off and then the whole company coming down to crush her and finally silencer her in the esports scene forever.
why you hate her so much ? she have try to build a team with boxer and now she just defending herself with what we start to know , are false accusation .
maybe if mma crank ect would have not lie or say what they did ( with no proof ) in big interview , that everyone read , something like that would have not happen in the first place
i think it's more that jessica is lying and saying bad things, while the accusations are true!
it's all dependant on perspective!
perspective ? jessica got proof , and she posted them , most people in korea are with jessica too and mma and crank are the one who have say bad things , they are the one to blame and they got no proof .
I don't know what's considered "proof" in Korea, but I certainly wouldn't consider anything she released a proof for any of her claims.
She released a phone call that made Crank look bad in Korea because he raised his voice, cried, and addressed elders informally - that whole conversation was just a lot of smoke and nothing of real importance. It doesn't prove anything.
To me, it proved that she recorded the phone call......
This matches the supposed name of "Manager J", and is being followed by @teamslayers, which appears to be the Slayers team Twitter that he controlled while he was there.
(@slayersclan, the one that pre-emptively tweeted the news about Slayers disbanding, is a much newer account with only 244 followers that is apparently not official)
When I tried to find out more about this "Manager J", meanwhile identified as Hui-Chul "Garfield" Jung, the only picture I could find of him was in an old interview with Chinese website it.com.cn while he was working for FnaticMSI Korea:
Seems this guy did really get around already for his young age (born in Germany, worked for SK, then Fnatic and Razer in Korea etc.). Wonder why SlayerS or sponsors did not press legal charges against him as he seems to be the culprit for most problems.
Chris Mitchel stated, "Corporation R did have an interest in a personal sponsorship with you." Then, "I should probably add that the individual sponsorship offer for Boxer was also rejected at the same time. So they might have just put the entire team above individual players. Regards Chris Mitchell" And it was jessica who rejected them.
Then, Jessica responds with, "... Chris, you don't have a right to say that... It's all connected.. You don't understand that I'm hiding something for [someone/ambiguous]. I'm off to check. Chris... we didn't talk about a new sponrsorship, you talked to manager J. Clarify whether this is this Razer's stance... or the stance of Chris who talked to manager J. Then I'll prepare." (Sounds threatening to me)
Next, Razer responds with the deleted tweet stating that Chris was talking to manager J and Jessica had no knowledge because of J.
PS. this all assumes that Razer-right is Chris Mitchells Reddit. Which I am taking the assumption since that is how the OP, waxangel, presented it.
On October 24 2012 16:14 S_SienZ wrote: I don't get it, doesn't it make sense that whoever it is rejects Razer since SlayerS at the time was probably partnered with EG?
No it doesn't make sense. Slayers started partnership with EG in October 2011. At that time, they are still sponsored by Razer. Therefore, the partnership was done even the teams represented rival companies.
On October 24 2012 16:14 S_SienZ wrote: I don't get it, doesn't it make sense that whoever it is rejects Razer since SlayerS at the time was probably partnered with EG?
Oh wow, your right. Manager J must be Sir Scoots with his dirty cursed money!
On October 24 2012 15:42 hunts wrote: God I really hope this ends with jessica telling razer off and then the whole company coming down to crush her and finally silencer her in the esports scene forever.
why you hate her so much ? she have try to build a team with boxer and now she just defending herself with what we start to know , are false accusation .
maybe if mma crank ect would have not lie or say what they did ( with no proof ) in big interview , that everyone read , something like that would have not happen in the first place
i think it's more that jessica is lying and saying bad things, while the accusations are true!
it's all dependant on perspective!
perspective ? jessica got proof , and she posted them , most people in korea are with jessica too and mma and crank are the one who have say bad things , they are the one to blame and they got no proof .
and as Waxangel has posted many times, Jessica has managed to contradict herself already with her statements On October 24 2012 15:22 Waxangel wrote: btw whatever happened to this?
"Q: What about his assertion on hiding information on transfers?
A: I hid nothing. I search for teams because he wanted to move to a foreign team. A foreign team asked me how much it would cost to transfer MMA. So I simply stated his value.
I told this team how much it would be after combining their offer on salaries, various costs for taking care of MMA, and the money needed to be paid to me for his remaining contractual period. I actually said that it would be better for them to use this amount to acquire our team as a whole. But I never received any replies. The negotiation didn't fail, but rather I simply replied to their request and even suggested an acquisition."
doesn't that directly contradict her denial of blocking a foreign move by calling a big transfer fee?
Obviously, she has made obvious mistake number one by admitting to having the cost of MMA=the cost of acquiring Slayers as a whole.
Or more likely, the cost of acquiring MMA is a disproportionate amount of the team considering the SlayerS branding and the costs of all the other players, something like 30%, and that losing MMA would be so detrimental to the team name that it would be more worth it to buy the entire team if you're looking to spend this much money on MMA?
I really hate all the drama, and all the flak people are giving Jessica. I don't understand why people care about her reputation as a drama queen, and I don't care how she got that name because it's a stupid name. Stop judging people before all the facts are out, and stop acting like you know the story, like jerks do. There's clearly something big going on, and it's clearly way more convoluted than both sides are admitting, based on how much information they're holding back in case they make a mistake. So stop acting more like kids than them.
And for the love of God, be more respectful to people. Don't stand on this moral high ground you invented for yourself when you don't know exactly how and why they acted in this manner. Crank maybe, MMA maybe, but Jessica when you know that she has actually done so much for the team, and is holding back other information? I don't see you attacking Cella with the same tenacity. Jeez.
On October 24 2012 16:14 S_SienZ wrote: I don't get it, doesn't it make sense that whoever it is rejects Razer since SlayerS at the time was probably partnered with EG?
No it doesn't make sense. Slayers started partnership with EG in October 2011. At that time, they are still sponsored by Razer. Therefore, the partnership was done even the teams represented rival companies.
Pretty sure SlayerS had dropped Razer as a sponsor. That was the reason the partnership took so long to be established.
This matches the supposed name of "Manager J", and is being followed by @teamslayers, which appears to be the Slayers team Twitter that he controlled while he was there.
(@slayersclan, the one that pre-emptively tweeted the news about Slayers disbanding, is a much newer account with only 244 followers that is apparently not official)
This tweet pretty much proves it is him:
Chul Jung @chuljung @MLGLee hey jessica told me that you re looking for me. what up? 1:08 AM - 4 Feb 12 · Details
On October 24 2012 16:14 S_SienZ wrote: I don't get it, doesn't it make sense that whoever it is rejects Razer since SlayerS at the time was probably partnered with EG?
The official Slayers/EG partnership wasn't until this May, which is after all of this happened... I think? There were EG players staying at Slayers since last October, though, and I don't know if that would represent a conflict or not. Also, I'm curious if any of this ties into the ending of that partnership... back then it seems like most people thought EG just wanted to enter GSTL on their own, but now...?
Chris Mitchel stated, "Corporation R did have an interest in a personal sponsorship with you." Then, "I should probably add that the individual sponsorship offer for Boxer was also rejected at the same time. So they might have just put the entire team above individual players. Regards Chris Mitchell" And it was jessica who rejected them.
Then, Jessica responds with, "... Chris, you don't have a right to say that... It's all connected.. You don't understand that I'm hiding something for [someone/ambiguous]. I'm off to check. Chris... we didn't talk about a new sponrsorship, you talked to manager J. Clarify whether this is this Razer's stance... or the stance of Chris who talked to manager J. Then I'll prepare." (Sounds threatening to me)
Next, Razer responds with the deleted tweet stating that Chris was talking to manager J and Jessica had no knowledge because of J.
PS. this all assumes that Razer-right is Chris Mitchells Reddit. Which I am taking the assumption since that is how the OP, waxangel, presented it.
It was Razer Korea that deleted the tweet. Chris and by extension Razer Headquarter has maintained their original position.
Chris Mitchel stated, "Corporation R did have an interest in a personal sponsorship with you." Then, "I should probably add that the individual sponsorship offer for Boxer was also rejected at the same time. So they might have just put the entire team above individual players. Regards Chris Mitchell" And it was jessica who rejected them.
Then, Jessica responds with, "... Chris, you don't have a right to say that... It's all connected.. You don't understand that I'm hiding something for [someone/ambiguous]. I'm off to check. Chris... we didn't talk about a new sponrsorship, you talked to manager J. Clarify whether this is this Razer's stance... or the stance of Chris who talked to manager J. Then I'll prepare." (Sounds threatening to me)
Next, Razer responds with the deleted tweet stating that Chris was talking to manager J and Jessica had no knowledge because of J.
PS. this all assumes that Razer-right is Chris Mitchells Reddit. Which I am taking the assumption since that is how the OP, waxangel, presented it.
It was Razer Korea that deleted the tweet. Chris and by extension Razer Headquarter has maintained their original position.
That's what I said..."Razer responds with the deleted tweet stating.."
On October 24 2012 16:21 GungraveHero2 wrote: crank and mma kinda deserve what they got , for what they did
The cultural differences between Korea and the rest of the western world has never been so palpable than when reading your posts regarding this matter.
[QUOTE]On October 24 2012 16:19 Blisse wrote: [QUOTE]On October 24 2012 16:00 Mozzery wrote: [QUOTE]On October 24 2012 15:54 GungraveHero2 wrote: [QUOTE]On October 24 2012 15:50 opterown wrote: [QUOTE]On October 24 2012 15:46 GungraveHero2 wrote: [QUOTE]On October 24 2012 15:42 hunts wrote: God I really hope this ends with jessica telling razer off and then the whole company coming down to crush her and finally silencer her in the esports scene forever.[/QUOTE]
why you hate her so much ? she have try to build a team with boxer and now she just defending herself with what we start to know , are false accusation .
maybe if mma crank ect would have not lie or say what they did ( with no proof ) in big interview , that everyone read , something like that would have not happen in the first place[/QUOTE] i think it's more that jessica is lying and saying bad things, while the accusations are true!
it's all dependant on perspective![/QUOTE]
perspective ? jessica got proof , and she posted them , most people in korea are with jessica too and mma and crank are the one who have say bad things , they are the one to blame and they got no proof .
[/QUOTE]
and as Waxangel has posted many times, Jessica has managed to contradict herself already with her statements On October 24 2012 15:22 Waxangel wrote: btw whatever happened to this?
"Q: What about his assertion on hiding information on transfers?
A: I hid nothing. I search for teams because he wanted to move to a foreign team. A foreign team asked me how much it would cost to transfer MMA. So I simply stated his value.
I told this team how much it would be after combining their offer on salaries, various costs for taking care of MMA, and the money needed to be paid to me for his remaining contractual period. I actually said that it would be better for them to use this amount to acquire our team as a whole. But I never received any replies. The negotiation didn't fail, but rather I simply replied to their request and even suggested an acquisition."
doesn't that directly contradict her denial of blocking a foreign move by calling a big transfer fee?
Obviously, she has made obvious mistake number one by admitting to having the cost of MMA=the cost of acquiring Slayers as a whole. [/QUOTE]
Or more likely, the cost of acquiring MMA is a disproportionate amount of the team considering the SlayerS branding and the costs of all the other players, something like 30%, and that losing MMA would be so detrimental to the team name that it would be more worth it to buy the entire team if you're looking to spend this much money on MMA?
that's the idea, they were looking to spend some money on MMA, but Jessica made the amount high enough that they said no, (confirmed fact). Then she uses as "proof" that she wasn't looking for a big transfer fee an e-mail she sent to team liquid looking to unload him for free that was sent at a later date. Obviously in the past she DID ask for a big enough transfer fee that she was turned down. Her stating that a large transfer fee was not in play is only believable if you think that something like 30% of the value of Slayers (in your opinion MMA's potential worth, obviously could be more or less) is "not a big transfer fee".
I'm not saying Jessica is the only one to blame, I'm pointing out that it seems farfetched at this point to take her word that a "large transfer fee" was not a factor in him not ending up on another team sooner.
On October 24 2012 14:58 dongmydrum wrote: So the facts are 1. Manager J lied to all parties 2. MMA falling victim to J's lies 3. Jessica felt betrayed by MMA because he believed J's story over Jessica's and acted without confirming J's story
It seems pretty clear to me I don't know why people say its confusing.
There's far too much being diverted onto this "Manager J" for his personality and actions to be believable. So far, he allegedly infiltrated the team and stayed with them for a few months, became the guy who "deals with sponsors", or at the very least is the sponsors' main contact. Then he somehow caused all sponsors to drop their sponsorship, rejected MMA's personal sponsorship during all that, then instigated players within the team to distrust the owners, and left.
In all this, he doesn't stand to gain anything (financially) from doing any of this. In fact, everybody knows who he is, so he had to know he could easily end up being sued over a number of things by a number of people, or at the very least putting himself in a very unpleasant situation.
Conveniently, he doesn't speak, Jessica doesn't seem to be going after him at all. He's ONLY ever mentioned when everything that ever went wrong with Slayers on the management side needs to be diverted to him and his nefarious schemes. Somehow all the blame for what happened to the team is then shifted directly to players and they are the main target, being publicly dragged through the dirt, being called cancer, thugs, and whatnot. Not "Manager J".
Shit just doesn't add up.
Very well said. very well said sir. This manager "J" is becoming a escape goat for everything that was every wrong on team slayer. I think this manager "J" is in fact manager "J"essica. Look to your sins Jessica, stop shifting blame around for your incompetence and all around bitchy behaviour.
Guys, you've got to realise, this is real life, not some made up story. Jessica and the players would think about the consequences of their actions and the benefits/disadvantages deeply, and what are we to judge when we're making judgments on the spot? This is a sensitive issue, and judging by the amount of contradictory and edited posts by users, it would be generous to say they spent 10 seconds actually thinking before posting. Don't jump to conclusions, and as time passes, more evidence will be added, and it will become easier and easier to see the real story. At the moment useless comments and biased opinions are clouding facts, increasing the amount of false information spreading faster than cancer.
On October 24 2012 14:58 dongmydrum wrote: So the facts are 1. Manager J lied to all parties 2. MMA falling victim to J's lies 3. Jessica felt betrayed by MMA because he believed J's story over Jessica's and acted without confirming J's story
It seems pretty clear to me I don't know why people say its confusing.
There's far too much being diverted onto this "Manager J" for his personality and actions to be believable. So far, he allegedly infiltrated the team and stayed with them for a few months, became the guy who "deals with sponsors", or at the very least is the sponsors' main contact. Then he somehow caused all sponsors to drop their sponsorship, rejected MMA's personal sponsorship during all that, then instigated players within the team to distrust the owners, and left.
In all this, he doesn't stand to gain anything (financially) from doing any of this. In fact, everybody knows who he is, so he had to know he could easily end up being sued over a number of things by a number of people, or at the very least putting himself in a very unpleasant situation.
Conveniently, he doesn't speak, Jessica doesn't seem to be going after him at all. He's ONLY ever mentioned when everything that ever went wrong with Slayers on the management side needs to be diverted to him and his nefarious schemes. Somehow all the blame for what happened to the team is then shifted directly to players and they are the main target, being publicly dragged through the dirt, being called cancer, thugs, and whatnot. Not "Manager J".
Shit just doesn't add up.
Very well said. very well said sir. This manager "J" is becoming a escape goat for everything that was every wrong on team slayer. I think this manager "J" is in fact manager "J"essica. Look to your sins Jessica, stop shifting blame around for your incompetence and all around bitchy behaviour.
You're not being serious, are you? Everyone who's suggested that is joking. We know who Manager J is and what he was supposed to be doing.
On October 24 2012 14:58 dongmydrum wrote: So the facts are 1. Manager J lied to all parties 2. MMA falling victim to J's lies 3. Jessica felt betrayed by MMA because he believed J's story over Jessica's and acted without confirming J's story
It seems pretty clear to me I don't know why people say its confusing.
There's far too much being diverted onto this "Manager J" for his personality and actions to be believable. So far, he allegedly infiltrated the team and stayed with them for a few months, became the guy who "deals with sponsors", or at the very least is the sponsors' main contact. Then he somehow caused all sponsors to drop their sponsorship, rejected MMA's personal sponsorship during all that, then instigated players within the team to distrust the owners, and left.
In all this, he doesn't stand to gain anything (financially) from doing any of this. In fact, everybody knows who he is, so he had to know he could easily end up being sued over a number of things by a number of people, or at the very least putting himself in a very unpleasant situation.
Conveniently, he doesn't speak, Jessica doesn't seem to be going after him at all. He's ONLY ever mentioned when everything that ever went wrong with Slayers on the management side needs to be diverted to him and his nefarious schemes. Somehow all the blame for what happened to the team is then shifted directly to players and they are the main target, being publicly dragged through the dirt, being called cancer, thugs, and whatnot. Not "Manager J".
Shit just doesn't add up.
Very well said. very well said sir. This manager "J" is becoming a escape goat for everything that was every wrong on team slayer. I think this manager "J" is in fact manager "J"essica. Look to your sins Jessica, stop shifting blame around for your incompetence and all around bitchy behaviour.
Well, Manager J was fired from Razer before getting hired by SlayerS. It's a simple revenge motive.
I believe Jessica is innocent, she rejected a personal contract for MMA and BoxeR, seems like a team first attitude which I'm fine with, if she didn't (or planned not to) tell MMA about it that offer and rejection that would mean she made a mistake and MMA has every right to be angry as this is his livelihood . Manager J = Jessica??? are you kidding me, the only way that would make sense if Jessica has multiple personality disorder and that would be a whole other problem all together.
On October 24 2012 16:14 S_SienZ wrote: I don't get it, doesn't it make sense that whoever it is rejects Razer since SlayerS at the time was probably partnered with EG?
No it doesn't make sense. Slayers started partnership with EG in October 2011. At that time, they are still sponsored by Razer. Therefore, the partnership was done even the teams represented rival companies.
Pretty sure SlayerS had dropped Razer as a sponsor. That was the reason the partnership took so long to be established.
By partnership I mean competing together in GSTL
If you are going to refer to the partnership, then you have to consider when there's no GSTL too. So, Razer sponsored Slayers until February 2012 and the partnership started in October 2011. So Razer sponsors Slayers while they partnered with EG for 4 months. Then the talk about renewing sponsors somehow broke down but Razer still interested in sponsoring MMA. That's 3 months before partnership with EG for GSTL was announced, since the announcement came during May.
And Slayers did not drop Razer, it Razer that dropped Slayers.
On October 24 2012 16:46 Mr_Z wrote: I believe Jessica is innocent, she rejected a personal contract for MMA and BoxeR, seems like a team first attitude which I'm fine with, if she didn't (or planned not to) tell MMA about it that offer and rejection that would mean she made a mistake and MMA has every right to be angry as this is his livelihood . Manager J = Jessica??? are you kidding me, the only way that would make sense if Jessica has multiple personality disorder and that would be a whole other problem all together.
this makes more sense than some of the things she has said ...hahaha
On October 24 2012 16:46 Mr_Z wrote: I believe Jessica is innocent, she rejected a personal contract for MMA and BoxeR, seems like a team first attitude which I'm fine with, if she didn't (or planned not to) tell MMA about it that offer and rejection that would mean she made a mistake and MMA has every right to be angry as this is his livelihood . Manager J = Jessica??? are you kidding me, the only way that would make sense if Jessica has multiple personality disorder and that would be a whole other problem all together.
I agree with your first sentence completely. You can tell how Jessica is when you read most of the interviews now a days. She loves her team to death but its tough love but love nonetheless. She probably DID reject the personal sponsorship because how would the other team members feel, if MMA got big sponsorship and no one else did?
Honestly, I just PRAY for the drama to be over.. and they can talk it out like adults and both sides can just apologizes and just rebirth SlayerS..
On October 24 2012 14:58 dongmydrum wrote: So the facts are 1. Manager J lied to all parties 2. MMA falling victim to J's lies 3. Jessica felt betrayed by MMA because he believed J's story over Jessica's and acted without confirming J's story
It seems pretty clear to me I don't know why people say its confusing.
There's far too much being diverted onto this "Manager J" for his personality and actions to be believable. So far, he allegedly infiltrated the team and stayed with them for a few months, became the guy who "deals with sponsors", or at the very least is the sponsors' main contact. Then he somehow caused all sponsors to drop their sponsorship, rejected MMA's personal sponsorship during all that, then instigated players within the team to distrust the owners, and left.
In all this, he doesn't stand to gain anything (financially) from doing any of this. In fact, everybody knows who he is, so he had to know he could easily end up being sued over a number of things by a number of people, or at the very least putting himself in a very unpleasant situation.
Conveniently, he doesn't speak, Jessica doesn't seem to be going after him at all. He's ONLY ever mentioned when everything that ever went wrong with Slayers on the management side needs to be diverted to him and his nefarious schemes. Somehow all the blame for what happened to the team is then shifted directly to players and they are the main target, being publicly dragged through the dirt, being called cancer, thugs, and whatnot. Not "Manager J".
Shit just doesn't add up.
Very well said. very well said sir. This manager "J" is becoming a escape goat for everything that was every wrong on team slayer. I think this manager "J" is in fact manager "J"essica. Look to your sins Jessica, stop shifting blame around for your incompetence and all around bitchy behaviour.
Well, Manager J was fired from Razer before getting hired by SlayerS. It's a simple revenge motive.
Except that none of his actions actually hurt Razer to any significant degree to justify the personal involvement and investment into such a convoluted scheme. And many of his supposed schemes had nothing to do with the Razer sponsorship of Slayers at all.
im sure jessica would have accepted the special sponsor for mma , because she love the team and the players and she have tell that was manager J who refused the sponsor anyway , so she refused nothing .
Very well said. very well said sir. This manager "J" is becoming a escape goat for everything that was every wrong on team slayer. I think this manager "J" is in fact manager "J"essica. Look to your sins Jessica, stop shifting blame around for your incompetence and all around bitchy behaviour.
Looking like you just got put in your place
@Razer_MidNight DELETED TWEET
"This is Kim, Joon Hee from Razer Korea. Razer headquarters have confirmed that this occurred between Chris Mitchell and Manager J but Manager J, out of ill intent, deliberately kept out offer hidden from owner of Slayers, Kim, Ja Yeon (Jessica)"
Very well said. very well said sir. This manager "J" is becoming a escape goat for everything that was every wrong on team slayer. I think this manager "J" is in fact manager "J"essica. Look to your sins Jessica, stop shifting blame around for your incompetence and all around bitchy behaviour.
"This is Kim, Joon Hee from Razer Korea. Razer headquarters have confirmed that this occurred between Chris Mitchell and Manager J but Manager J, out of ill intent, deliberately kept out offer hidden from owner of Slayers, Kim, Ja Yeon (Jessica)"
lol...you look so foolish dude. When you quote what is essentially a contradiction to you, Talack
Very well said. very well said sir. This manager "J" is becoming a escape goat for everything that was every wrong on team slayer. I think this manager "J" is in fact manager "J"essica. Look to your sins Jessica, stop shifting blame around for your incompetence and all around bitchy behaviour.
"This is Kim, Joon Hee from Razer Korea. Razer headquarters have confirmed that this occurred between Chris Mitchell and Manager J but Manager J, out of ill intent, deliberately kept out offer hidden from owner of Slayers, Kim, Ja Yeon (Jessica)"
Very well said. very well said sir. This manager "J" is becoming a escape goat for everything that was every wrong on team slayer. I think this manager "J" is in fact manager "J"essica. Look to your sins Jessica, stop shifting blame around for your incompetence and all around bitchy behaviour.
Looking like you just got put in your place
@Razer_MidNight DELETED TWEET
"This is Kim, Joon Hee from Razer Korea. Razer headquarters have confirmed that this occurred between Chris Mitchell and Manager J but Manager J, out of ill intent, deliberately kept out offer hidden from owner of Slayers, Kim, Ja Yeon (Jessica)"
i'm assuming it got deleted for a reason
LOL, still can't stop laughing. It was even in caps lock and he couldn't read it.
can someone just make a fucking tl;dr thread of all this drama so it doesn't take all morning to figure out what new shitstorm occurred in the korean sc2 scene overnight?
ex.
tl;dr
October 24th - Razer confirms Jessica was the one whom turned down MMA's personal sponsorship (not Manager J as Jessica claimed).
On October 24 2012 17:17 waitwhat wrote: can someone just make a fucking tl;dr thread of all this drama so it doesn't take all morning to figure out what new shitstorm occurred in the korean sc2 scene overnight?
Just wait till it all ends, I'm sure someone will sum it up nicely.
Until then, go watch some player streams or poke around in Sheth's post and wait for the GSL ^_^.
Wouldn't be unbelievable that Manager J had access to Jessica's e-mail account...
Chris Mitchell @MitchellChris @Peter72972598 @xiaopewpew @ProxyDrake The rejection came from her email address, although apparently Manager J had access to it. 11:46 PM - 23 Oct 12 · Details
Chris Mitchell @MitchellChris @Peter72972598 @xiaopewpew @ProxyDrake The rejection came from her email address, although apparently Manager J had access to it. 11:46 PM - 23 Oct 12 · Details
I don't buy this at all. I believe Chris was told this, but to me claiming someone else used your email account sounds like damage control after being caught lying.
On October 24 2012 17:23 Proseat wrote: Wouldn't be unbelievable that Manager J had access to Jessica's e-mail account...
Chris Mitchell @MitchellChris @Peter72972598 @xiaopewpew @ProxyDrake The rejection came from her email address, although apparently Manager J had access to it. 11:46 PM - 23 Oct 12 · Details
I don't buy this at all. I believe Chris was told this, but to me claiming someone else used your email account sounds like damage control after being caught lying.
It sounds incredibly stupid and foolish to let someone else have that kind of access.....
On October 24 2012 17:42 redc wrote: Gotta hand it to Manager J, at this point he's obviously an.... Evil Genius!
EG.ManagerJ.RC
You did read that Manager J's tag was Garfield, right? You know... like Alex Garfield? (For those that can't tell these things, no I'm not suggesting there's actually a connection...)
On October 24 2012 17:23 Proseat wrote: Wouldn't be unbelievable that Manager J had access to Jessica's e-mail account...
Chris Mitchell @MitchellChris @Peter72972598 @xiaopewpew @ProxyDrake The rejection came from her email address, although apparently Manager J had access to it. 11:46 PM - 23 Oct 12 · Details
I don't buy this at all. I believe Chris was told this, but to me claiming someone else used your email account sounds like damage control after being caught lying.
It sounds incredibly stupid and foolish to let someone else have that kind of access.....
Might have been a generic SlayerS management email address, or a foreign/sponsor relations email account, not a personal email address, we'll never know. Chris doesn't really make anything clear, what a vague dude, should have been more calculated and eloquent about what he revealed so people don't make crazy assumptions.
What's funny is that exactly one year before MMA received said "news" from "Manager J" (on February 15. 2012), BoxeR joined Team Razer (i.e. personal sponsorship) presumably with a 1-year contract:
And somehow this personal sponsorship must have been also extended to the team, as throughout 2011 you see SlayerS players sporting Razer stuff, for instance in this MLG Providence video special about SlayerS:
Is it just me or is Jessica getting more and more annoying?
Basically, Boxer didn't do that bad, aside from playing that random game and not looking after his team. Crank with MMA and 'MMA's thugs'- They seemed to be silent when they should have spoken out loud. Sometimes it seemed like they can't take care of themselves. They need to grow up a bit. However, that's their only fault as I see it. Jessice - She's some crazy entitled woman. Her ego is of the charts. There's no reason to argue with her, as she obviously isn't going to back down from her position. She is right, everybody who doesn't agree is wrong AND she has to correct them.
Chris Mitchell @MitchellChris @Peter72972598 @xiaopewpew @ProxyDrake The rejection came from her email address, although apparently Manager J had access to it. 11:46 PM - 23 Oct 12 · Details
update the OP, wax! Things are becoming mighty interesting!
How will Sherlock Jessica get out of this one, friends?
On October 24 2012 17:17 waitwhat wrote: can someone just make a fucking tl;dr thread of all this drama so it doesn't take all morning to figure out what new shitstorm occurred in the korean sc2 scene overnight?
Just wait till it all ends, I'm sure someone will sum it up nicely.
Until then, go watch some player streams or poke around in Sheth's post and wait for the GSL ^_^.
That's exaclty what I'm doing. Just woke up and saw that I was 20 minutes early for the GSL.
On October 24 2012 18:00 Proseat wrote: What's funny is that exactly one year before MMA received said "news" from "Manager J" (on February 15. 2012), BoxeR joined Team Razer (i.e. personal sponsorship) presumably with a 1-year contract:
And somehow this personal sponsorship must have been also extended to the team, as throughout 2011 you see SlayerS players sporting Razer stuff, for instance in this MLG Providence video special about SlayerS:
On October 24 2012 17:23 Proseat wrote: Wouldn't be unbelievable that Manager J had access to Jessica's e-mail account...
Chris Mitchell @MitchellChris @Peter72972598 @xiaopewpew @ProxyDrake The rejection came from her email address, although apparently Manager J had access to it. 11:46 PM - 23 Oct 12 · Details
update the OP, wax! Things are becoming mighty interesting!
How will Sherlock Jessica get out of this one, friends?
Sorry to ask again, but what should the possible reason for Jessica to reject a sponsorship be?
On October 24 2012 18:00 Proseat wrote: What's funny is that exactly one year before MMA received said "news" from "Manager J" (on February 15. 2012), BoxeR joined Team Razer (i.e. personal sponsorship) presumably with a 1-year contract:
And somehow this personal sponsorship must have been also extended to the team, as throughout 2011 you see SlayerS players sporting Razer stuff, for instance in this MLG Providence video special about SlayerS:
On October 24 2012 17:23 Proseat wrote: Wouldn't be unbelievable that Manager J had access to Jessica's e-mail account...
Chris Mitchell @MitchellChris @Peter72972598 @xiaopewpew @ProxyDrake The rejection came from her email address, although apparently Manager J had access to it. 11:46 PM - 23 Oct 12 · Details
update the OP, wax! Things are becoming mighty interesting!
How will Sherlock Jessica get out of this one, friends?
Sorry to ask again, but what should the possible reason for Jessica to reject a sponsorship be?
Both sponserships in fact (personal ones for Boxer and MMA), which doesn't make sense.
Stupid move by a Razer manager IMO. He's just put his company in the frontline of this whole mess without making himself clear, and now he has to backtrack like an idiot.
From what Ive gathered MMA was supposed to pay Manager J himself since he was MMAs personal coach. Have i got that right?
If thats the case then it doesnt make any sense for Manager J to mess with MMAs personal sponsorship since it would probably benefit him aswell and maybe give him some money.
On October 24 2012 18:19 Fjodorov wrote: From what Ive gathered MMA was supposed to pay Manager J himself since he was MMAs personal coach. Have i got that right?
If thats the case then it doesnt make any sense for Manager J to mess with MMAs personal sponsorship since it would probably benefit him aswell and maybe give him some money.
That's a different coach you are thinking of. The personal coach's name start with an R, so I doubt it is Manager J.
On October 24 2012 18:19 Fjodorov wrote: From what Ive gathered MMA was supposed to pay Manager J himself since he was MMAs personal coach. Have i got that right?
If thats the case then it doesnt make any sense for Manager J to mess with MMAs personal sponsorship since it would probably benefit him aswell and maybe give him some money.
That's a different coach you are thinking of. The personal coach's name start with an R, so I doubt it is Manager J.
On October 24 2012 18:19 Fjodorov wrote: From what Ive gathered MMA was supposed to pay Manager J himself since he was MMAs personal coach. Have i got that right?
If thats the case then it doesnt make any sense for Manager J to mess with MMAs personal sponsorship since it would probably benefit him aswell and maybe give him some money.
That's a different coach you are thinking of. The personal coach's name start with an R, so I doubt it is Manager J.
Ahhh ok its officially to confusing at this point Ty for clearing that up
On October 24 2012 17:23 Proseat wrote: Wouldn't be unbelievable that Manager J had access to Jessica's e-mail account...
Chris Mitchell @MitchellChris @Peter72972598 @xiaopewpew @ProxyDrake The rejection came from her email address, although apparently Manager J had access to it. 11:46 PM - 23 Oct 12 · Details
update the OP, wax! Things are becoming mighty interesting!
How will Sherlock Jessica get out of this one, friends?
Sorry to ask again, but what should the possible reason for Jessica to reject a sponsorship be?
She is a witch who is secretly trying to watch the whole world burn [/SARCASM].
Both the western community and the Korean community are being ridiculous in this situation. The western community, or the majority of them think Jessica is out to watch the world burn when what MMA, Alicia, and Crank did was wrong especially when they basically destroyed Slayers and the investment by Boxer/Jessica by being ungrateful kids. Koreans are being just as ridiculous because Jessica's attitude/approach played as big a part in the demise of Slayers.
On October 24 2012 17:23 Proseat wrote: Wouldn't be unbelievable that Manager J had access to Jessica's e-mail account...
Chris Mitchell @MitchellChris @Peter72972598 @xiaopewpew @ProxyDrake The rejection came from her email address, although apparently Manager J had access to it. 11:46 PM - 23 Oct 12 · Details
update the OP, wax! Things are becoming mighty interesting!
How will Sherlock Jessica get out of this one, friends?
Sorry to ask again, but what should the possible reason for Jessica to reject a sponsorship be?
She is a witch who is secretly trying to watch the whole world burn [/SARCASM].
Both the western community and the Korean community are being ridiculous in this situation. The western community, or the majority of them think Jessica is out to watch the world burn when what MMA, Alicia, and Crank did was wrong especially when they basically destroyed Slayers and the investment by Boxer/Jessica by being ungrateful kids. Koreans are being just as ridiculous because Jessica's attitude/approach played as big a part in the demise of Slayers.
Wouldn't that imply you're being doubly ridiculous by basically agreeing with both sides, which in the big picture makes even less sense than what either side claims? -_-
Both sponserships in fact (personal ones for Boxer and MMA), which doesn't make sense.
Stupid move by a Razer manager IMO. He's just put his company in the frontline of this whole mess without making himself clear, and now he has to backtrack like an idiot.
Stupid move by the Stracraft community telling the sponsorship manager for one of the largest sponsors of our scene that he is stupid for trying to clear things up.
Razer might have a nice view of the SC2 Community and all the drama we create or stir up. Nice image we're creating here ..
I wouldn't wonder if Razer starts to push much more money into LoL instead of starcraft ... -.-*
What we're doing right now with Chris is showing him what a minefield sponsoring SC2 can be for his company. It's not that he owes us anything. They are sponsors!
Both sponserships in fact (personal ones for Boxer and MMA), which doesn't make sense.
Stupid move by a Razer manager IMO. He's just put his company in the frontline of this whole mess without making himself clear, and now he has to backtrack like an idiot.
Stupid move by the Stracraft community telling the sponsorship manager for one of the largest sponsors of our scene that he is stupid for trying to clear things up.
Razer might have a nice view of the SC2 Community and all the drama we create or stir up. Nice image we're creating here ..
I wouldn't wonder if Razer starts to push much more money into LoL instead of starcraft ... -.-*
What we're doing right now with Chris is showing him what a minefield sponsoring SC2 can be for his company. It's not that he owes us anything. They are sponsors!
Huh. I'm just stating the facts and what I feel of having him jump into this whole mess. The way I see it, the situation of Manager J has always been delicate and is clearly being handled behind the public eyes.
I'm all for promoting SC2, but I'll call stupidity as it is.
Both sponserships in fact (personal ones for Boxer and MMA), which doesn't make sense.
Stupid move by a Razer manager IMO. He's just put his company in the frontline of this whole mess without making himself clear, and now he has to backtrack like an idiot.
Stupid move by the Stracraft community telling the sponsorship manager for one of the largest sponsors of our scene that he is stupid for trying to clear things up.
Razer might have a nice view of the SC2 Community and all the drama we create or stir up. Nice image we're creating here ..
I wouldn't wonder if Razer starts to push much more money into LoL instead of starcraft ... -.-*
What we're doing right now with Chris is showing him what a minefield sponsoring SC2 can be for his company. It's not that he owes us anything. They are sponsors!
Actually, you're wrong. If anything, Razer is slapping Chris for acting out like an idiot. You just don't make comments like that in the business world. He's probably good at what he does, but a little ignorant in the global business world in general. At the very least, in the communication of it all. Stupid move by him.
Btw, have you take a look at the LoL community? lol.....
Someone early was asking for a nice short summation of this entire mess. I now provide it, free from any sarcasm and without exaggeration or distortion.
Jessica announced that SlayerS is disbanding after their last GSTL match in the first week of November. Proceeds to say stuff. SlayerS players (past and present) say stuff. StarTales coach says stuff. Razer says stuff. Massive shit storm of accusations, counter-accusations, claimed proofs, rebuttals, and released phone transcript. The end result is SlayerS disbands, and StarCraft 2 goes on. Communities in West and in Korea gnaw on the bones of drama for several threadnaughts. Boxer does not say anything (yet, I think), because he's the new head coach of SKT1. People take sides for or against Jessica. Doesn't really matter to anyone actually involved.
Seriously, the TL;dr version is - SlayerS announced to be disbanding; in the announcement, drama starts. Shit storm follows. While Forum Warriors pick sides and battle, the world keeps on spinning. No tournaments or leagues are significantly harmed.
On October 24 2012 18:45 covetousrat wrote: Why isnt there anyone pitchforking this Manger J guy?
Not sure. Does he have sponsors we can write to? Also, if Jessica does the right thing (sue the hell out of Manager J - I'm sure they've done something actionable) the identity will become public.
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On a different topic - why would Razer delete the tweet? Because Jessica probably has zero problem with threatening them with a lawsuit of some kind over it - and while it's possible they could win a lawsuit (depending on what "proof" there is on either side, and if it's all hearsay, and what venue it's tried in) the cost in time, money, and potential negative exposure simply isn't worth it to the company.
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Aerisky, I think my summary is probably the best way to look at it. Although the OPs of major threadnaughts have been reasonably good at keeping their OPs updated with new information. And of course, it's always possible there will be a breakdown of events on SotG, LO3, ITG, or from Slasher's sources.
On October 24 2012 18:12 Flonomenalz wrote: But why would Jessica reject a sponsorship?
:s
Just speculation, but possible reasons would be
1. GSTL partnership with EG (Steelseries)
2. Personal Razer sponsorship for only BoxeR and MMA would make it VERY difficult for the rest of the team to get gaming gear sponsors.
First point didn't hinder them forming a partnership in the first place, even though boxer was already sponsored by razer. And to the second: On the one hand, again Boxer is already sponsored by razer, so I don't see it changing that much, and on the other hand I guess it would be highly unlikely that suddenly another gaming gear company stepped in to sponsor the whole team (steelseries still partnered with slayers and zowie for example already has StarTale)...
Is there any reason she provided for not doublechecking what "manager J" was doing since everything went downhill since he was running things? It seems quite naive, don't you think?
On October 24 2012 17:23 Proseat wrote: Wouldn't be unbelievable that Manager J had access to Jessica's e-mail account...
Chris Mitchell @MitchellChris @Peter72972598 @xiaopewpew @ProxyDrake The rejection came from her email address, although apparently Manager J had access to it. 11:46 PM - 23 Oct 12 · Details
update the OP, wax! Things are becoming mighty interesting!
How will Sherlock Jessica get out of this one, friends?
Holy shit. how . . . inexperienced has she been to do something like this?
On October 24 2012 18:48 felisconcolori wrote: On a different topic - why would Razer delete the tweet? Because Jessica probably has zero problem with threatening them with a lawsuit of some kind over it - and while it's possible they could win a lawsuit (depending on what "proof" there is on either side, and if it's all hearsay, and what venue it's tried in) the cost in time, money, and potential negative exposure simply isn't worth it to the company.
You realize that the deleted tweet from Razer Korea was actually beneficial to Jessica?
On October 24 2012 20:16 mikedebo wrote: Wax is just trying to get as many 100 page threads out of this as he can. I'm on to you, mister! *shakes fist*
So mitchell was talking to jessica via translator directly about MMA's sponsorship.
And thats what MMA was really upset over, since it does seem like Jessica was trying to get the sponsorship for her beau instead. At least thats what MMA thought.
I dunno about the Steelseries and EG partnership though. I guess it makes sense but I havent seen Jessica claim that.
If Jessica wants to get to the bottum of this, she should reveal all the facts before anyone judges. She is still keeping so many hidden information from the public. It's making everyone confused.
Also, manager J needs to be revealed so some interviews with him take place so Wax can get more kicks out of this whole thing.
So mitchell was talking to jessica via translator directly about MMA's sponsorship.
And thats what MMA was really upset over, since it does seem like Jessica was trying to get the sponsorship for her beau instead. At least thats what MMA thought.
I dunno about the Steelseries and EG partnership though. I guess it makes sense but I havent seen Jessica claim that.
Yes, he was communication to her through the email. Although Manager J also had access to that email, so who knows if it was Jessica, or someone else. Also, we don't know if it was Jessica's personal email or a SlayerS marketing email or what kind of email it was. Nothing specific was disclosed so nothing Chris Mitchell said makes any difference. Just reassures everyone that there was an individual sponsorship deal on the table at one point.
Edit: EG/Steelseries thing has nothing to do with it. Was just some people speculating. Not factual.
Well Mitchell was very convinced he was talking to Jessica directly.
So either this was over the phone or through Jessica's email. And if J has access to her email account and Jessica is STILL trying to defend herself then that is just the biggest face palm ever.
Your saying J impersonated Jessica and denied sponsorships for his own teams players?
On October 24 2012 21:10 Medrea wrote: Well Mitchell was very convinced he was talking to Jessica directly.
So either this was over the phone or through Jessica's email. And if J has access to her email account and Jessica is STILL trying to defend herself then that is just the biggest face palm ever.
Your saying J impersonated Jessica and denied sponsorships for his own teams players?
As opposed to Jessica denying sponsorship for her own teams players?
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On October 24 2012 21:10 Medrea wrote: Well Mitchell was very convinced he was talking to Jessica directly.
So either this was over the phone or through Jessica's email. And if J has access to her email account and Jessica is STILL trying to defend herself then that is just the biggest face palm ever.
Your saying J impersonated Jessica and denied sponsorships for his own teams players?
As opposed to Jessica denying sponsorship for her own teams players?
If Jessica gave this Manager J guy access to her email-account, it would only show that she is totally incompetent to run a business as big as SlayerS (and SlayerS isn't that big). Never ever can you allow someone else to be able to communicate under your name, that is just so bad, that it doesn't even matter if Razer spoke to Jessica directly or to M J.
So mitchell was talking to jessica via translator directly about MMA's sponsorship.
And thats what MMA was really upset over, since it does seem like Jessica was trying to get the sponsorship for her beau instead. At least thats what MMA thought.
I dunno about the Steelseries and EG partnership though. I guess it makes sense but I havent seen Jessica claim that.
Haha oh boy here is where we find out Manager J intercepted all the messages. We've got a human implementation of Alice,Malice, and Bob guys ~
Eh so according to Razer's tweet, sponsorship rejection came from Jessica's email account. Oh and Manager J also had access to this email account apparently.
This whole thing is getting ridiculous. If Manager J is being blamed for so much that went wrong, and so many bad intentions for the team, then why is NO ONE going after Manager J?
On October 24 2012 21:21 Ded808 wrote: Eh so according to Razer's tweet, sponsorship rejection came from Jessica's email account. Oh and Manager J also had access to this email account apparently.
This whole thing is getting ridiculous. If Manager J is being blamed for so much that went wrong, and so many bad intentions for the team, then why is NO ONE going after Manager J?
I think either she is and its not even a contended point, or she isn't and its because she knows she doesnt have anything on him.
Either way she is still responsible for what comes out of her email account.
On October 24 2012 21:21 Ded808 wrote: Eh so according to Razer's tweet, sponsorship rejection came from Jessica's email account. Oh and Manager J also had access to this email account apparently.
This whole thing is getting ridiculous. If Manager J is being blamed for so much that went wrong, and so many bad intentions for the team, then why is NO ONE going after Manager J?
Manager J.. a person with a name that starts with J in Korea and has access to Jessica's personal e-mail account.... JESSICA, the plot thickens.
It's silly though, everyone seems to assume manage J is a guy, even the translators.
On October 24 2012 21:21 Ded808 wrote: Eh so according to Razer's tweet, sponsorship rejection came from Jessica's email account. Oh and Manager J also had access to this email account apparently.
This whole thing is getting ridiculous. If Manager J is being blamed for so much that went wrong, and so many bad intentions for the team, then why is NO ONE going after Manager J?
Seems like Razer are just contradicting themselves out of lack of interest. People keep talking about Jessica's e-mail but was this Jessica's personal e-mail or her de-facto e-mail in the sense that it was a Slayers e-mail that she used before J was put in charge of sponsorship stuff?
So mitchell was talking to jessica via translator directly about MMA's sponsorship.
And thats what MMA was really upset over, since it does seem like Jessica was trying to get the sponsorship for her beau instead. At least thats what MMA thought.
I dunno about the Steelseries and EG partnership though. I guess it makes sense but I havent seen Jessica claim that.
Haha oh boy here is where we find out Manager J intercepted all the messages. We've got a human implementation of Alice,Malice, and Bob guys ~
I need to get more popcorn....
It's called Eve, not Malice, at least in traditional cryptography settings.
On October 24 2012 14:01 Fionn wrote: So is this going to end up like Fight Club? Manager J and Jessica were the same person all along?
i was going to make the same connection, but i didnt want to look a huge conspiracy theorist
Manager J is a person who was in personal contact with MMA... I think he would have noticed if the person who purportedly showed up at their gaming house a couple dozen times were actually Jessica in disguise xD
... Then again, Jessica DOES have connections with some serious make up artists... LOL
So basically... MMA dun goofed by believing this manager J guy without giving Jessica a chance. If I was Jessica I'd feel pretty betrayed. But at the same time there must have been a reason MMA trusted manager J more than Jessica. Either way at least we now know for sure that this manager J is an asshole.
On October 24 2012 22:33 Fenrax wrote: I think if someone made a timeline of the events and claims it would really help us understand what the key points are.
Because the thing here wasnt so much that he misled or lied to anyone, rather that he told mma about a PROPOSAL, which jessica had yet to agree on. How it seems to me, in Jessica's view the player should not worry about such things, that's for the management to decide on and negotiate with. And the player should especially not listen to rumors rather than listening to his team owner/head manager. Thats how I see it.
So it seems like Jessica straight up lied to MMA and a everyone else about the whole Razer sponsorship thing? I'd be curious to hear Boxer's thoughts on how his wife has handled this. I have to think he's displeased with her and all of the negative attention she's brought to him and his team, especially now that at least one of her bits of drama has been more or less proven to be a lie.
On October 24 2012 22:38 kwaky wrote: If I was Jessica I'd feel pretty betrayed.
Why betrayed (which puts the blame on someone else) and not stupid (which puts the blame on her)?
On October 24 2012 22:38 kwaky wrote: But at the same time there must have been a reason MMA trusted manager J more than Jessica. Either way at least we now know for sure that this manager J is an asshole.
Do we know that? He hasnt spoken so far and we only know from Jessica that he used her email account to answer Razer apparently. Does that mean its true? This really ties in with the comment above and someone who gives access to their personal email to a stranger is not really very wise when it comes to money and management matters, so it really adds doubt to anything she says.
lol, so many people are skewed one way or the other. Person A: Man Jessica blew up the world with her xray eyes. Person B: Geez, Manager J is the source of every problem on Earth!
Why don't you post if you haven't even read up on the story? XD Reading is cool.
On October 24 2012 22:33 Fenrax wrote: I think if someone made a timeline of the events and claims it would really help us understand what the key points are.
Somewhere in the other thread around page 35-ish it has been suggested that manager J is Jung "Garfield"' Chul, a Counterstike guy. He has a profile page on the SK-gaming website. Under description it says 'part of team Slayers'. Have I missed something or did this guy just vanish?
On October 24 2012 13:57 GungraveHero2 wrote: do you realy need a new thread for that ?
It's a pretty big development. Pretty much catches Jessica in a gigantic lie.
This sucks for MMA. A personal sponsorship would have been massive for a player who didn't have a salary.
Can you please quote what makes you 100% of that ? Im not a fan of anyone here, but ive been reading the last post and this one, and I dont see how one can be completly sure of whos lying, but from what i read from the sponsors answers, i understand they are agreeing with jessica.
On October 24 2012 22:38 kwaky wrote: If I was Jessica I'd feel pretty betrayed.
Why betrayed (which puts the blame on someone else) and not stupid (which puts the blame on her)?
I don't understand what you mean. Read what she said: "I was crushed and disappointed that a player I had taken care of would believe a manager who had only been on for two months, and I don't even know how much I cried." Like I said I'm sure MMA had his reasons for trusting manager J over Jessica, but you can't deny the fact that from her perspective, Jessica felt betrayed.
On October 24 2012 22:38 kwaky wrote: But at the same time there must have been a reason MMA trusted manager J more than Jessica. Either way at least we now know for sure that this manager J is an asshole.
Do we know that? He hasnt spoken so far and we only know from Jessica that he used her email account to answer Razer apparently. Does that mean its true? This really ties in with the comment above and someone who gives access to their personal email to a stranger is not really very wise when it comes to money and management matters, so it really adds doubt to anything she says.
What? I'm basing this off of Razer_MidNight's deleted tweet: "Manager J, out of ill intent, deliberately kept out offer hidden from owner of Slayers, Kim, Ja Yeon (Jessica)". That doesn't sound like an asshole to you?
Let's say I agree that Jessica was stupid to share her email account with manager J. That still doesn't excuse him for doing what he did.
I don't understand what you mean. Read what she said: "I was crushed and disappointed that a player I had taken care of would believe a manager who had only been on for two months, and I don't even know how much I cried." Like I said I'm sure MMA had his reasons for trusting manager J over Jessica, but you can't deny the fact that from her perspective, Jessica felt betrayed.
No one denies she felt betrayed. But that doesnt mean she has the right to ruin their careers, just cause they decided not to be part of the team any longer.
I don't understand what you mean. Read what she said: "I was crushed and disappointed that a player I had taken care of would believe a manager who had only been on for two months, and I don't even know how much I cried." Like I said I'm sure MMA had his reasons for trusting manager J over Jessica, but you can't deny the fact that from her perspective, Jessica felt betrayed.
No one denies she felt betrayed. But that doesnt mean she has the right to ruin their careers, just cause they decided not to be part of the team any longer.
Telling the truth isn't maliciously ruining a career. It's not like Jessica was sworn to secrecy if someone decided to do something dishonourable.
I don't understand what you mean. Read what she said: "I was crushed and disappointed that a player I had taken care of would believe a manager who had only been on for two months, and I don't even know how much I cried." Like I said I'm sure MMA had his reasons for trusting manager J over Jessica, but you can't deny the fact that from her perspective, Jessica felt betrayed.
No one denies she felt betrayed. But that doesnt mean she has the right to ruin their careers, just cause they decided not to be part of the team any longer.
The poster I was replying to denied it. I agree with your second statement, although Shiori also makes a good point. I don't necessarily put the blame on solely one person in this situation, but as someone who hasn't been following StarCraft 2 for almost a year, it was sad to come back to read that Slayers was disbanding.
On October 25 2012 00:22 XiaoJoyce- wrote: The suspense is killing me ~~
It feels so much like movie, who is the murderer?? ahaha
I was hoping for BoxeR interview... it was a team based on him , right??
The plot twist is that YOU are the murderer, this was just all an elaborate play to pinpoint the problems with the Starcraft II community that's quick to judge, quick to join witch hunts, and care more about personal emotional drama than integrity in gaming.
On October 25 2012 01:19 mokumoku wrote: can someone summarize, need cliffs, have no idea who J and Corp R is...
"Manager J" is really Jessica's other personality that manifests when she feels threatened.
"Corporation R" is Razer, which offered both Boxer and MMA personal sponsorships
"Jessica" saw this and immediately became threatened. If Razer was offering a personal sponsorship, and those two did well, how long before they sponsor all of SlayerS and hire a real team manager, rendering her useless?!
"Manager J" (who will henceforth be known as just "J") then takes over due to "Jessica" feeling completely threatened and immediately rejects the offer. How dare they indirectly threaten "Jessica" with their misguided generosity!
"Jessica" completely unaware of "J's" protection continues on with her managing.
"J", tired of "Jessica's" meekness and horrible managerial skills, makes his ("J" is a male because, like Cersei Lannister, "Jessica" secretly believes that if she were born a man in this misogynist world, she would be amazing) move to take over completely. He pits as many members against "Jessica" as he can by telling them that she was conspiring against them.
"Jessica" catches wind of this plot, confronts "Manager J" in person (the mirror) and proceeds to fire him.
"J" bides his time, waiting for the seeds he planted to grow so that one day, he can take over after "Jessica" finally loses her mind.
And here we are today. Whether "J" or "Jessica" is in control, we do not know. One thing we do know is that whoever is in control, they've been outed by "Corporation R" themselves.
Whether Jessica was caught in a lie or not...she can still escape from it by claiming that Razer's communications in regard to this personal sponsorship were lost in translation. Like a corrupt politician, she can erase her lies by telling new ones. That's what I expect her next statement will be.
Its been so obvious from the beginning jessica is at the root of all this garbage. Obviously some former kpop/drama/idol girl cant manage a team. Why the fuck did boxer let her have anything to do with this, just to ditch and head back to SKT.
On October 25 2012 01:19 mokumoku wrote: can someone summarize, need cliffs, have no idea who J and Corp R is...
"Manager J" is really Jessica's other personality that manifests when she feels threatened.
"Corporation R" is Razer, which offered both Boxer and MMA personal sponsorships
"Jessica" saw this and immediately became threatened. If Razer was offering a personal sponsorship, and those two did well, how long before they sponsor all of SlayerS and hire a real team manager, rendering her useless?!
"Manager J" (who will henceforth be known as just "J") then takes over due to "Jessica" feeling completely threatened and immediately rejects the offer. How dare they indirectly threaten "Jessica" with their misguided generosity!
"Jessica" completely unaware of "J's" protection continues on with her managing.
"J", tired of "Jessica's" meekness and horrible managerial skills, makes his ("J" is a male because, like Cersei Lannister, "Jessica" secretly believes that if she were born a man in this misogynist world, she would be amazing) move to take over completely. He pits as many members against "Jessica" as he can by telling them that she was conspiring against them.
"Jessica" catches wind of this plot, confronts "Manager J" in person (the mirror) and proceeds to fire him.
"J" bides his time, waiting for the seeds he planted to grow so that one day, he can take over after "Jessica" finally loses her mind.
And here we are today. Whether "J" or "Jessica" is in control, we do not know. One thing we do know is that whoever is in control, they've been outed by "Corporation R" themselves.
geez... Is that like a version of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hide but where both personalities are evil? ...I don't want to live in that reality.
On October 25 2012 01:19 mokumoku wrote: can someone summarize, need cliffs, have no idea who J and Corp R is...
"Manager J" is really Jessica's other personality that manifests when she feels threatened.
"Corporation R" is Razer, which offered both Boxer and MMA personal sponsorships
"Jessica" saw this and immediately became threatened. If Razer was offering a personal sponsorship, and those two did well, how long before they sponsor all of SlayerS and hire a real team manager, rendering her useless?!
"Manager J" (who will henceforth be known as just "J") then takes over due to "Jessica" feeling completely threatened and immediately rejects the offer. How dare they indirectly threaten "Jessica" with their misguided generosity!
"Jessica" completely unaware of "J's" protection continues on with her managing.
"J", tired of "Jessica's" meekness and horrible managerial skills, makes his ("J" is a male because, like Cersei Lannister, "Jessica" secretly believes that if she were born a man in this misogynist world, she would be amazing) move to take over completely. He pits as many members against "Jessica" as he can by telling them that she was conspiring against them.
"Jessica" catches wind of this plot, confronts "Manager J" in person (the mirror) and proceeds to fire him.
"J" bides his time, waiting for the seeds he planted to grow so that one day, he can take over after "Jessica" finally loses her mind.
And here we are today. Whether "J" or "Jessica" is in control, we do not know. One thing we do know is that whoever is in control, they've been outed by "Corporation R" themselves.
So Jessica, become Male Jessica, and talk to MMA
Male Jessica: Hey, the female version forward ur personal contract to BoxeR.
*MMA trust Male J*
Female Jessica crying **
Female Jessica : I put so much effort, and MMA believe the one just come into Teamhouse 2 months only...
MMA: I trust her, she crying. Maybe I should not trust her, will make her feel better. I shall tell the rest of the members too.
On October 25 2012 01:49 1st_Panzer_Div. wrote: The OP is really confusing, and now everyone has deleted tweets. Who's the bad guy in this?
if im reading it right,
razer_chris saying jessica knowingly rejected personal mma sponsorship jessica saying not true, "will look at her history" to verify chris saying rejection email had jessica's name?/input? on it, but possibly something lost in translation razer_korea saying it was always just manager j and jessica was not involved
I don't understand what you mean. Read what she said: "I was crushed and disappointed that a player I had taken care of would believe a manager who had only been on for two months, and I don't even know how much I cried." Like I said I'm sure MMA had his reasons for trusting manager J over Jessica, but you can't deny the fact that from her perspective, Jessica felt betrayed.
No one denies she felt betrayed. But that doesnt mean she has the right to ruin their careers, just cause they decided not to be part of the team any longer.
Just beacuse what -- what --what??!
She doesn't ruin careers, she just says FACTS about what other people DID that ruined HER (I didn't see her say a lie yet even once. Just like a mod said, this deserves a new thread because it would be finally first thing jessica did wrong. Turned out it wasn't and that she was mislead by Manager J). She not only has every right to do that, but also should do that to not get used like that in future.
Naniwa got his invitation rejected for non-sportsmanship (probe rush vs Nestea). Stephano got suspended for trolling about child abuse. Orb had his career as a caster ruined for angry talk in games he played before ever being a commentator.
IF (and only if) MMA and Crank did what they did, completely backstabbed Slayers, hurt Boxer and Jessica (not to mention $100.000 boxer's investment), seeing their respective careers burn wouldn't even be enough for me, considering the punishments above players/casters had for much lesser misdemeanours. For me, Crank may feel safe with the Bains, but they won't protect him more than EG could protect Stephano or Quantic protect Naniwa. Punishment is punishment.
I also agree that if Manager J rejected Boxer's and MMA's sponsorships, it should require legal action. So I agree with people saying here : it's not drama. It's potentially court material.
On October 25 2012 01:19 mokumoku wrote: can someone summarize, need cliffs, have no idea who J and Corp R is...
"Manager J" is really Jessica's other personality that manifests when she feels threatened.
"Corporation R" is Razer, which offered both Boxer and MMA personal sponsorships
"Jessica" saw this and immediately became threatened. If Razer was offering a personal sponsorship, and those two did well, how long before they sponsor all of SlayerS and hire a real team manager, rendering her useless?!
"Manager J" (who will henceforth be known as just "J") then takes over due to "Jessica" feeling completely threatened and immediately rejects the offer. How dare they indirectly threaten "Jessica" with their misguided generosity!
"Jessica" completely unaware of "J's" protection continues on with her managing.
"J", tired of "Jessica's" meekness and horrible managerial skills, makes his ("J" is a male because, like Cersei Lannister, "Jessica" secretly believes that if she were born a man in this misogynist world, she would be amazing) move to take over completely. He pits as many members against "Jessica" as he can by telling them that she was conspiring against them.
"Jessica" catches wind of this plot, confronts "Manager J" in person (the mirror) and proceeds to fire him.
"J" bides his time, waiting for the seeds he planted to grow so that one day, he can take over after "Jessica" finally loses her mind.
And here we are today. Whether "J" or "Jessica" is in control, we do not know. One thing we do know is that whoever is in control, they've been outed by "Corporation R" themselves.
geez... Is that like a version of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hide but where both personalities are evil? ...I don't want to live in that reality.
It's a combination of Identity, Fight Club and Dr. J & Mr. H.
I'm already working on the script. I plan on having Nick Cage (he'll take any role these days) play "J" and Lindsay Lohan play "Jessica" and have M.Night direct. It's going to be epic(ly bad).
If your second cousin told you that your great-grandfather left you some money ($2000 for example) in his will, and said your parents "embezzled" your share... what would you think? If it were me, at the very least I'd be a curious. My parents are the responsible but over-bearing type; I don't think they would lie to me about this, and I wouldn't go "emancipate!" (lol). That said, I'd still be wondering about it unless I was shown solid evidence to dispel the bullshit spewed by that cousin.
I realize the it's not a direct example, none of them are related... it's just to show when the seed of doubt was planted, especially with money involved, the skepticism will remain. It's not like MMA chose to believe that manager J-Garfield dude (100%) over Boxer/Jessica (0%). He has doubts and unfortunately wasn't shown solid evidence to dispel possible bullshit, and/or he didn't demand said evidence. (Come on, there must to be evidence when it has to do with Jessica, right? :p)
Poor coach Ryu, he must have trusted everyone to not have a written agreement about money of that size.
On October 25 2012 01:49 1st_Panzer_Div. wrote: The OP is really confusing, and now everyone has deleted tweets. Who's the bad guy in this?
if im reading it right,
razer_chris saying jessica knowingly rejected personal mma sponsorship jessica saying not true, "will look at her history" to verify chris saying rejection email had jessica's name?/input? on it, but possibly something lost in translation razer_korea saying it was always just manager j and jessica was not involved
I'm kind of confused. So is this the fault of Manager J again?
Jessica and drama go hand and hand. Ive been saying she's a liar and chear for some time and even got mod warnings for doing so. Too bad she has went this far without the majority realizing. Who knows who she has screwed over the last year.
On October 25 2012 05:02 MysteryTerran wrote: Jessica and drama go hand and hand. Ive been saying she's a liar and chear for some time and even got mod warnings for doing so. Too bad she has went this far without the majority realizing. Who knows who she has screwed over the last year.
Too bad in this entire thing she was 100% truthful so far, and she is the one who gets slandered and lied about. Too bad people like you still keep spewing bullshit.
On October 24 2012 14:41 FabledIntegral wrote: Jessica may be "right" after this is all over, but it doesn't detract from the fact she can't fucking seem to avoid drama. She's all over anything even slightly controversial. And she manages to make things so dramatic.... for example the "remember there are other things I can't mention because I'm protecting someone and it could ruin their career." Like really? FFS.
Getting bored of this drama. I think regardless of the fault here (seems like Manager J), Jessica should step out of esports until she can learn to avoid drama (aka picking fights over twitter, threatening legal action, making everything seem like a gigantic shitstorm or controversy, etc.).
I am shocked by this comment. Really. If you are accused of something which you know is false you have no right to rebut it?!
Really? If i said something wrong about you, you dont think its right for you to make a deal o fit?
Man some people on this thread just want thing everythign is a push over. There are times when people have to say something and make sure it comes out correct. That is why there are suits of defamation and libel claims.
So i dont think what Jessica is doing by bring this up is wrong. If she knows she hasn't doen anythign wrong and is a victim she has the right to respond. If she is wron gfine she should just shut up but give the girl a chance.
Stop being so judgmental.
Shocked? Maybe you're overly sensitive, just like Jessica.
The point is that Jessica gets involved in every controversy it seems. And she does it willingly. She engages regularly via twitter or whatnot criticizing anyone who doesn't agree with her, or on things that appear to be critical of the team. That is not professional, especially in the manner in which she does it.
No, I don't want people do be pushovers. I just don't want them to be a drama whore. No one likes a drama whore, whether online or in person, unless they like it for the sole purpose of entertainment value. Otherwise, it's just fucking annoying.
Just like if I have a gf I don't want to hear her bitch about every little thing that's wrong, even if something is wrong. People need to fucking learn to deal with things instead of make things worse.
Jesus christ, Jessica needs to stop saying that she is hiding things -_-.
You know, how about everyone just cuts the bullshit. Tell us who manager J is and let's see what really happened since he is at the center of it and no one is giving the whole story.
On October 25 2012 05:34 Dr.Sin wrote: Jesus christ, Jessica needs to stop saying that she is hiding things -_-.
You know, how about everyone just cuts the bullshit. Tell us who manager J is and let's see what really happened since he is at the center of it and no one is giving the whole story.
His name is probably not publicised due to legal reasons.
Clarify whether this is this Razer's stance... or the stance of Chris who talked to manager J. Then I'll prepare.
What a passive aggressive comment, lol.
Why does everyone lable her comments as passive aggressive? It's not passive as she certainly is assertive in letting the other party know she's going to pounce if need be.
On October 25 2012 05:02 MysteryTerran wrote: Jessica and drama go hand and hand. Ive been saying she's a liar and chear for some time and even got mod warnings for doing so. Too bad she has went this far without the majority realizing. Who knows who she has screwed over the last year.
Too bad in this entire thing she was 100% truthful so far, and she is the one who gets slandered and lied about. Too bad people like you still keep spewing bullshit.
Do we have any FACT that said she being truthful 100%?
On October 25 2012 05:34 Dr.Sin wrote: Jesus christ, Jessica needs to stop saying that she is hiding things -_-.
You know, how about everyone just cuts the bullshit. Tell us who manager J is and let's see what really happened since he is at the center of it and no one is giving the whole story.
His name is probably not publicised due to legal reasons.
Not to mention our detectives already found out who manager J very probably is.
On October 25 2012 05:34 Dr.Sin wrote: Jesus christ, Jessica needs to stop saying that she is hiding things -_-.
You know, how about everyone just cuts the bullshit. Tell us who manager J is and let's see what really happened since he is at the center of it and no one is giving the whole story.
His name is probably not publicised due to legal reasons.
This. Why do you guys think we haven't heard of Chul 'Garfield' Jung at all since a long(!) while?
On October 25 2012 05:07 iLevitate wrote: Manager J is Jessica. Calling it now.
Impossible, or are you suggesting that MMA can't see the difference between his own manager and Jessica in disguise? I'll give you however that she probably has good enough acting to maybe pull it off.
On October 25 2012 05:58 Canucklehead wrote: I don't know why the KR media never interviewed manager J, but slasher says he has an interview lined up with him. Slasher to the rescue!
On October 25 2012 05:02 MysteryTerran wrote: Jessica and drama go hand and hand. Ive been saying she's a liar and chear for some time and even got mod warnings for doing so. Too bad she has went this far without the majority realizing. Who knows who she has screwed over the last year.
Too bad in this entire thing she was 100% truthful so far, and she is the one who gets slandered and lied about. Too bad people like you still keep spewing bullshit.
Do we have any FACT that said she being truthful 100%?
Eh, so far every time she said "X is lying, I have evidence", it turned out to be accurate. Maybe 100% is a bit of an exaggeration, but unless you are massively biased and just want to hate on Jessica for the sake of it, there is incredibly little reason to not believe whatever she is saying. She might be a dramaqueen, but she certainly doesn't seem like the lying type, and considering how much her and Boxer invested into the team, how can anyone blame her for being 'overly sensitive', lol.
They've given HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS to make Slayers happen, for god's sake. Not talking about sponsorship money that they've received for running the team - their own money from their personal accounts. That alone is pretty much enough to be raging and hating on everyone who had in even the slightest way wronged your team, never mind lied about it afterwards. And it's not like money is the biggest thing they invested into it.
On October 25 2012 05:07 iLevitate wrote: Manager J is Jessica. Calling it now.
Impossible, or are you suggesting that MMA can't see the difference between his own manager and Jessica in disguise? I'll give you however that she probably has good enough acting to maybe pull it off.
On October 25 2012 05:07 iLevitate wrote: Manager J is Jessica. Calling it now.
Impossible, or are you suggesting that MMA can't see the difference between his own manager and Jessica in disguise? I'll give you however that she probably has good enough acting to maybe pull it off.
I heard rumors about PirateTerran which were similar but unbelievable for me.
On October 25 2012 06:12 DonGrisu wrote: Only 21patch now...?? Wow i Think the Community have enough... Too much Drama Last days...
It won't stop until Boxer steps in and stops her or she has a nervous breakdown. I don't think Jessica will let go.
On October 25 2012 05:58 Canucklehead wrote: I don't know why the KR media never interviewed manager J, but slasher says he has an interview lined up with him. Slasher to the rescue!
I'm wondering if part of the issue might be a result of Manager J just plain screwing up, not any premeditated ill-intentions on his part. I mean it seems like Manager J is truly evil or far more likely Manager J messing something up and was trying to cover his ass.
We don't really know the terms of the sponsorship and if there was any negotiating. Manager J might have let slip to MMA that there was an interest in a personal sponsorship for him and then could have been trying to get more from Razer (to impress his new bosses Jessica/Boxer) and somehow screwed up the negotiations and lost everything, then blamed it on Jessica trying to get a sponsorship for Boxer to save face.
I mean this is totally hypothetical, but seems plausible.
On October 25 2012 05:02 MysteryTerran wrote: Jessica and drama go hand and hand. Ive been saying she's a liar and chear for some time and even got mod warnings for doing so. Too bad she has went this far without the majority realizing. Who knows who she has screwed over the last year.
Too bad in this entire thing she was 100% truthful so far, and she is the one who gets slandered and lied about. Too bad people like you still keep spewing bullshit.
Do we have any FACT that said she being truthful 100%?
Eh, so far every time she said "X is lying, I have evidence", it turned out to be accurate. Maybe 100% is a bit of an exaggeration, but unless you are massively biased and just want to hate on Jessica for the sake of it, there is incredibly little reason to not believe whatever she is saying. She might be a dramaqueen, but she certainly doesn't seem like the lying type, and considering how much her and Boxer invested into the team, how can anyone blame her for being 'overly sensitive', lol.
They've given HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS to make Slayers happen, for god's sake. Not talking about sponsorship money that they've received for running the team - their own money from their personal accounts. That alone is pretty much enough to be raging and hating on everyone who had in even the slightest way wronged your team, never mind lied about it afterwards. And it's not like money is the biggest thing they invested into it.
When such a large number of people in her immediate proximity distrust her, there is probably a reason. Though I wouldn't go anywhere near saying I have an irrational hatred of her, let alone even confidently declare I don't like her as a person, I -CAN- say that I would not trust her as she exhibits some of the characteristics of someone unworthy of much trust.
Some of my reasons:
- She`s in the habit of recording phone calls or other information for potential future use in legal cases. While this is respectable and understandable from the perspective of a manager in a cutthroat business, I am wary to believe that esports is much of a cutthroat business. A lot of decent SC2 teams can`t find sponsors and none of them besides EG seem to be ballin` out of control, so I can`t see how going to such lengths to protect your assets (especially from Boxer + Jessica, who would be well off even if the team vanished in smoke, from what I understand) is justified.
- Boxer alluded to her fight-to-the-death nature, and I can compare and relate that to people in my personal life who -refuse- to be wrong. Though It is by no means a guarantee, it can`t be discarded as a possibility that she`s incapable of admitting personal failure (and no, `admitting` that she allowed someone else to fail as her failure isn`t admitting her own failure).
- Whenever drama around her arises, she seems entirely unapproachable, which again is consistent with an attitude of someone who can`t realize their own capacity to be wrong. I don`t think she should be faulted or considered a bad person if this trait is actually the truth, but it DOES mean that I read everything she claims considering the possibility that it is coming from someone who can entirely convince themselves that the truth is a lie, and vice versa. Again, I can relate to this being possible in my personal life.
On October 25 2012 05:02 MysteryTerran wrote: Jessica and drama go hand and hand. Ive been saying she's a liar and chear for some time and even got mod warnings for doing so. Too bad she has went this far without the majority realizing. Who knows who she has screwed over the last year.
Too bad in this entire thing she was 100% truthful so far, and she is the one who gets slandered and lied about. Too bad people like you still keep spewing bullshit.
Do we have any FACT that said she being truthful 100%?
Eh, so far every time she said "X is lying, I have evidence", it turned out to be accurate.
It boggles my mind how many people are coming to this conclusion, even though nothing we've heard or read so far indicates it in the slightest. =/
Nobody in this whole mess has so far provided any evidence for anything. Except that Crank raised his voice. -_-
Is it really disillusioning to anyone else that Boxer and Jessica are part of this dramacraft bullshit now too? I think we need a gag order on every "community figure" so that somebody can talk about playing sc2 for once
On October 25 2012 05:02 MysteryTerran wrote: Jessica and drama go hand and hand. Ive been saying she's a liar and chear for some time and even got mod warnings for doing so. Too bad she has went this far without the majority realizing. Who knows who she has screwed over the last year.
Too bad in this entire thing she was 100% truthful so far, and she is the one who gets slandered and lied about. Too bad people like you still keep spewing bullshit.
Do we have any FACT that said she being truthful 100%?
Eh, so far every time she said "X is lying, I have evidence", it turned out to be accurate. Maybe 100% is a bit of an exaggeration, but unless you are massively biased and just want to hate on Jessica for the sake of it, there is incredibly little reason to not believe whatever she is saying. She might be a dramaqueen, but she certainly doesn't seem like the lying type, and considering how much her and Boxer invested into the team, how can anyone blame her for being 'overly sensitive', lol.
They've given HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS to make Slayers happen, for god's sake. Not talking about sponsorship money that they've received for running the team - their own money from their personal accounts. That alone is pretty much enough to be raging and hating on everyone who had in even the slightest way wronged your team, never mind lied about it afterwards. And it's not like money is the biggest thing they invested into it.
When such a large number of people in her immediate proximity distrust her, there is probably a reason. Though I wouldn't go anywhere near saying I have an irrational hatred of her, let alone even confidently declare I don't like her as a person, I -CAN- say that I would not trust her as she exhibits some of the characteristics of someone unworthy of much trust.
Some of my reasons:
- She`s in the habit of recording phone calls or other information for potential future use in legal cases. While this is respectable and understandable from the perspective of a manager in a cutthroat business, I am wary to believe that esports is much of a cutthroat business. A lot of decent SC2 teams can`t find sponsors and none of them besides EG seem to be ballin` out of control, so I can`t see how going to such lengths to protect your assets (especially from Boxer + Jessica, who would be well off even if the team vanished in smoke, from what I understand) is justified.
- Boxer alluded to her fight-to-the-death nature, and I can compare and relate that to people in my personal life who -refuse- to be wrong. Though It is by no means a guarantee, it can`t be discarded as a possibility that she`s incapable of admitting personal failure (and no, `admitting` that she allowed someone else to fail as her failure isn`t admitting her own failure).
- Whenever drama around her arises, she seems entirely unapproachable, which again is consistent with an attitude of someone who can`t realize their own capacity to be wrong. I don`t think she should be faulted or considered a bad person if this trait is actually the truth, but it DOES mean that I read everything she claims considering the possibility that it is coming from someone who can entirely convince themselves that the truth is a lie, and vice versa. Again, I can relate to this being possible in my personal life.
Wow those are some gigantic unwarranted leaps in logic. You'd make a good presidential candidate, I think...
Anyway, am I the only one that finds it sort of weird that this whole thing has suddenly gone quiet after all the rapid-fire revelations of yesterday? Maybe people are talking behind the scenes... perhaps Mgr. J or someone else lied to all of them...
I think it'd be a good idea to add what SirScoots said today on LO3 that IPL had some shady run-ins with Manager J also. According to them, Manager J attempted to steal players prize money by giving IPL his bank account information instead of the team/players. IPL ended up sending some, but caught it, reversed it and made sure the cash went to the right person instead. I'd be glad to add the time stamp as soon as the VOD's are out.
On October 25 2012 05:02 MysteryTerran wrote: Jessica and drama go hand and hand. Ive been saying she's a liar and chear for some time and even got mod warnings for doing so. Too bad she has went this far without the majority realizing. Who knows who she has screwed over the last year.
Too bad in this entire thing she was 100% truthful so far, and she is the one who gets slandered and lied about. Too bad people like you still keep spewing bullshit.
Do we have any FACT that said she being truthful 100%?
Eh, so far every time she said "X is lying, I have evidence", it turned out to be accurate. Maybe 100% is a bit of an exaggeration, but unless you are massively biased and just want to hate on Jessica for the sake of it, there is incredibly little reason to not believe whatever she is saying. She might be a dramaqueen, but she certainly doesn't seem like the lying type, and considering how much her and Boxer invested into the team, how can anyone blame her for being 'overly sensitive', lol.
They've given HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS to make Slayers happen, for god's sake. Not talking about sponsorship money that they've received for running the team - their own money from their personal accounts. That alone is pretty much enough to be raging and hating on everyone who had in even the slightest way wronged your team, never mind lied about it afterwards. And it's not like money is the biggest thing they invested into it.
When such a large number of people in her immediate proximity distrust her, there is probably a reason. Though I wouldn't go anywhere near saying I have an irrational hatred of her, let alone even confidently declare I don't like her as a person, I -CAN- say that I would not trust her as she exhibits some of the characteristics of someone unworthy of much trust.
Some of my reasons:
- She`s in the habit of recording phone calls or other information for potential future use in legal cases. While this is respectable and understandable from the perspective of a manager in a cutthroat business, I am wary to believe that esports is much of a cutthroat business. A lot of decent SC2 teams can`t find sponsors and none of them besides EG seem to be ballin` out of control, so I can`t see how going to such lengths to protect your assets (especially from Boxer + Jessica, who would be well off even if the team vanished in smoke, from what I understand) is justified.
- Boxer alluded to her fight-to-the-death nature, and I can compare and relate that to people in my personal life who -refuse- to be wrong. Though It is by no means a guarantee, it can`t be discarded as a possibility that she`s incapable of admitting personal failure (and no, `admitting` that she allowed someone else to fail as her failure isn`t admitting her own failure).
- Whenever drama around her arises, she seems entirely unapproachable, which again is consistent with an attitude of someone who can`t realize their own capacity to be wrong. I don`t think she should be faulted or considered a bad person if this trait is actually the truth, but it DOES mean that I read everything she claims considering the possibility that it is coming from someone who can entirely convince themselves that the truth is a lie, and vice versa. Again, I can relate to this being possible in my personal life.
Wow those are some gigantic unwarranted leaps in logic. You'd make a good presidential candidate, I think...
Anyway, am I the only one that finds it sort of weird that this whole thing has suddenly gone quiet after all the rapid-fire revelations of yesterday? Maybe people are talking behind the scenes... perhaps Mgr. J or someone else lied to all of them...
Being Canadian might make the whole presidential campaign a bit of a hard sell. Good thought though!
Besides, I can only judge someone by what I know of them. I`m aware that I don`t have all the information, but am capable of rendering a personal judgement based on incomplete information -while- acknowledging that I have incomplete information and thereby am very capable of being wrong.
On October 25 2012 08:22 Swish 41 wrote: Too much drama, can someone TL;DR it for me?
Razor offered a personal sponsorship for Boxer, and maybe MMA. (Not clear on that?)
Jessica denied them.
I already knew that. Thats all out of these 10 pages of text? I thought razor would clear up all this confusion about this personal sponsorship thing that caused MMA to want to leave the team.
On October 25 2012 09:41 xBillehx wrote: I think it'd be a good idea to add what SirScoots said today on LO3 that IPL had some shady run-ins with Manager J also. According to them, Manager J attempted to steal players prize money by giving IPL his bank account information instead of the team/players. IPL ended up sending some, but caught it, reversed it and made sure the cash went to the right person instead. I'd be glad to add the time stamp as soon as the VOD's are out.
On October 25 2012 09:41 xBillehx wrote: I think it'd be a good idea to add what SirScoots said today on LO3 that IPL had some shady run-ins with Manager J also. According to them, Manager J attempted to steal players prize money by giving IPL his bank account information instead of the team/players. IPL ended up sending some, but caught it, reversed it and made sure the cash went to the right person instead. I'd be glad to add the time stamp as soon as the VOD's are out.
Chris Mitchell @MitchellChris @Peter72972598 @xiaopewpew @ProxyDrake The rejection came from her email address, although apparently Manager J had access to it. 11:46 PM - 23 Oct 12 · Details
On October 25 2012 05:02 MysteryTerran wrote: Jessica and drama go hand and hand. Ive been saying she's a liar and chear for some time and even got mod warnings for doing so. Too bad she has went this far without the majority realizing. Who knows who she has screwed over the last year.
Too bad in this entire thing she was 100% truthful so far, and she is the one who gets slandered and lied about. Too bad people like you still keep spewing bullshit.
Do we have any FACT that said she being truthful 100%?
Eh, so far every time she said "X is lying, I have evidence", it turned out to be accurate. Maybe 100% is a bit of an exaggeration, but unless you are massively biased and just want to hate on Jessica for the sake of it, there is incredibly little reason to not believe whatever she is saying. She might be a dramaqueen, but she certainly doesn't seem like the lying type, and considering how much her and Boxer invested into the team, how can anyone blame her for being 'overly sensitive', lol.
They've given HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS to make Slayers happen, for god's sake. Not talking about sponsorship money that they've received for running the team - their own money from their personal accounts. That alone is pretty much enough to be raging and hating on everyone who had in even the slightest way wronged your team, never mind lied about it afterwards. And it's not like money is the biggest thing they invested into it.
When such a large number of people in her immediate proximity distrust her, there is probably a reason. Though I wouldn't go anywhere near saying I have an irrational hatred of her, let alone even confidently declare I don't like her as a person, I -CAN- say that I would not trust her as she exhibits some of the characteristics of someone unworthy of much trust.
Some of my reasons:
- She`s in the habit of recording phone calls or other information for potential future use in legal cases. While this is respectable and understandable from the perspective of a manager in a cutthroat business, I am wary to believe that esports is much of a cutthroat business. A lot of decent SC2 teams can`t find sponsors and none of them besides EG seem to be ballin` out of control, so I can`t see how going to such lengths to protect your assets (especially from Boxer + Jessica, who would be well off even if the team vanished in smoke, from what I understand) is justified.
- Boxer alluded to her fight-to-the-death nature, and I can compare and relate that to people in my personal life who -refuse- to be wrong. Though It is by no means a guarantee, it can`t be discarded as a possibility that she`s incapable of admitting personal failure (and no, `admitting` that she allowed someone else to fail as her failure isn`t admitting her own failure).
- Whenever drama around her arises, she seems entirely unapproachable, which again is consistent with an attitude of someone who can`t realize their own capacity to be wrong. I don`t think she should be faulted or considered a bad person if this trait is actually the truth, but it DOES mean that I read everything she claims considering the possibility that it is coming from someone who can entirely convince themselves that the truth is a lie, and vice versa. Again, I can relate to this being possible in my personal life.
Wow those are some gigantic unwarranted leaps in logic. You'd make a good presidential candidate, I think...
Anyway, am I the only one that finds it sort of weird that this whole thing has suddenly gone quiet after all the rapid-fire revelations of yesterday? Maybe people are talking behind the scenes... perhaps Mgr. J or someone else lied to all of them...
Being Canadian might make the whole presidential campaign a bit of a hard sell. Good thought though!
Besides, I can only judge someone by what I know of them. I`m aware that I don`t have all the information, but am capable of rendering a personal judgement based on incomplete information -while- acknowledging that I have incomplete information and thereby am very capable of being wrong.
Acknowledging that you have incomplete information AND am capable of being wrong?
There goes all hope for becoming the first Canadian president.
On October 25 2012 08:22 Swish 41 wrote: Too much drama, can someone TL;DR it for me?
Razor offered a personal sponsorship for Boxer, and maybe MMA. (Not clear on that?)
Jessica denied them.
Uh u missed the part where manager J took over jessica's email, thus making it look like jessica denied it when manager J did that.
How would a manager that is there for only 2 months get that kind of access. Jessica is is the type to record everything i would imagine she took care of that information a bit better, that's just careless behavior.
On October 25 2012 08:22 Swish 41 wrote: Too much drama, can someone TL;DR it for me?
Razor offered a personal sponsorship for Boxer, and maybe MMA. (Not clear on that?)
Jessica denied them.
Uh u missed the part where manager J took over jessica's email, thus making it look like jessica denied it when manager J did that.
How would a manager that is there for only 2 months get that kind of access. Jessica is is the type to record everything i would imagine she took care of that information a bit better, that's just careless behavior.
yeah if J had access to her email, that still means Jessica fucked up.
On October 25 2012 05:07 iLevitate wrote: Manager J is Jessica. Calling it now.
What's wrong with you guys? Stop saying that Manager J is Jessica...... We already know who Manager J is... You don't because you haven't followed any of this.. But don't go around confusing more people just trying to catch up.
On October 25 2012 08:22 Swish 41 wrote: Too much drama, can someone TL;DR it for me?
Razor offered a personal sponsorship for Boxer, and maybe MMA. (Not clear on that?)
Jessica denied them.
Uh u missed the part where manager J took over jessica's email, thus making it look like jessica denied it when manager J did that.
How would a manager that is there for only 2 months get that kind of access. Jessica is is the type to record everything i would imagine she took care of that information a bit better, that's just careless behavior.
It's more likely 'her email' is the account she set up to run Slayers, making it more of a corporate account.
And they already said he was given responsibility over their Twitter and Facebook pages b/c he was fluent in English and German (as well as Korean) so he was technically qualified to handle communication. I didn't see where he had access to her email; but it would make sense.
Of course it turns out he wasn't ethically qualified to do anything... I wonder if that's what got him fired from 'Corporation R' in the first place (which was why he was hanging around Slayers to begin with).
On October 25 2012 08:22 Swish 41 wrote: Too much drama, can someone TL;DR it for me?
Razor offered a personal sponsorship for Boxer, and maybe MMA. (Not clear on that?)
Jessica denied them.
Uh u missed the part where manager J took over jessica's email, thus making it look like jessica denied it when manager J did that.
How would a manager that is there for only 2 months get that kind of access. Jessica is is the type to record everything i would imagine she took care of that information a bit better, that's just careless behavior.
It's more likely 'her email' is the account she set up to run Slayers, making it more of a corporate account.
And they already said he was given responsibility over their Twitter and Facebook pages b/c he was fluent in English and German (as well as Korean) so he was technically qualified to handle communication. I didn't see where he had access to her email; but it would make sense.
Of course it turns out he wasn't ethically qualified to do anything... I wonder if that's what got him fired from 'Corporation R' in the first place (which was why he was hanging around Slayers to begin with).
Is this how teams corporate ? Sharing your mail where you deal with sponsors with your team managers ? To me that sounds not only risky but you basicly show a part of your finances aswell wich is something that in my opinion should be kept private.
I also know his english was qualified etc and he basicly replaced Cella to handle forgeign communications as you said, but how does that justify anything ?
On October 25 2012 08:22 Swish 41 wrote: Too much drama, can someone TL;DR it for me?
Razor offered a personal sponsorship for Boxer, and maybe MMA. (Not clear on that?)
Jessica denied them.
Uh u missed the part where manager J took over jessica's email, thus making it look like jessica denied it when manager J did that.
How would a manager that is there for only 2 months get that kind of access. Jessica is is the type to record everything i would imagine she took care of that information a bit better, that's just careless behavior.
yeah if J had access to her email, that still means Jessica fucked up.
Jessica has admitted that she made a huge mistake in trusting Manager J, she admits it in one of the few interviews she has had in the past couple of days.
She also does go on to say that Manager J she had known before he was on SlayerS, As he had worked for one of their sponsors, and was often over at the teamhouse. They didn't just grab this guy at random, they trusted him enough to do this and I think he intentionally went in to destroy SlayerS from day 1.
None of this matters. MMA should be contacted by Razer directly and offered the sponsorship again, Jessica is publicly humiliated for being a disgusting liar, and we all move on.
Who the hell is manager J? can we lose the acronym and get a pic so I can take a look at the bastard and curse his name. What with all these smoke and mirrors? Corporation R, etc.
On October 25 2012 13:58 thepuppyassassin wrote: Who the hell is manager J? can we lose the acronym and get a pic so I can take a look at the bastard and curse his name. What with all these smoke and mirrors? Corporation R, etc.
Makes you wonder why Jessica is not sending the dogs after him. I pray she has something on this "J" person so she can nail him to the wall, instead she's pref to hunt the players instead.
On October 25 2012 13:58 thepuppyassassin wrote: Who the hell is manager J? can we lose the acronym and get a pic so I can take a look at the bastard and curse his name. What with all these smoke and mirrors? Corporation R, etc.
Reading through the relevant threads helps (click to show nested quotes for video, pic, and old interview):
On October 24 2012 15:54 Namunelbo wrote: Posted on the other thread, if anyone interested on how "J" looks like.
On October 24 2012 15:04 Namunelbo wrote: Here's the infamous 'Manager J', also known as Hui-Chul "Garfield" Jung, with MMA (translating) right after he won Bluzzard Cup being interviewed by Rachel for CyberSportsNetwrok.
And this, just an assumption without much evidence.
On October 24 2012 15:38 Namunelbo wrote: Has this 'mysterious J' left the scene ever since Jessica kicked him out of the team or has he been watching closely from the shadows?
Jessica mentioned abruptly back then (before this drama) on how the Slayers social media accounts (twitter and facebook) were not associated with the team anymore, due to reasons she couldn't reveal. But we all know as of now that those accounts were managed by "J". Were the accounts given back to the team? or was "J" still in hold of those accounts? I doubt the accounts were reclaimed back by the team, if I recall correctly, sometime later after the disassociation with the accounts Jessica mentioned how from there onwards her own Twitter will be used as the team's official account.
Since then, there wasn't much activity in those accounts until early this month (October), when the non-official twitter became active again, and this time sparked the early rumors about Slayers disbanding http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=373628 .
Actually, that was yet another non-official account. The ones that "Manager J" had created and operated for the team were the ones described in this official statement from Jessica to TL.net on March 1, 2012:
Both of these have been silent ever since "Manager J" was found out and cut from the team in February/March. The thread you provided deals with the http://twitter.com/#!/slayersclan Twitter account.
Anyways, thanks for the CSN youtube video showing "Manager J" translating for MMA after winning Blizzard Cup at the end of last year. I had missed that earlier:
On October 24 2012 16:08 Proseat wrote: When I tried to find out more about this "Manager J", meanwhile identified as Hui-Chul "Garfield" Jung, the only picture I could find of him was in an old interview with Chinese website it.com.cn while he was working for FnaticMSI Korea:
Seems this guy did really get around already for his young age (born in Germany, worked for SK, then Fnatic and Razer in Korea etc.). Wonder why SlayerS or sponsors did not press legal charges against him as he seems to be the culprit for most problems.
Thanks for the clarification.
I'm surprised he somehow kept following the team despite possible legal actions Jessica might take against him if what is being said turns out to be true. Yet we still have to hear his part of the story,
@Slasher I have found and located the mysterious Slayers 'Manager J', and he has agreed to talk to me regarding several aspects of the Slayers story. This includes the discrepancies between Razer and MMA/Jessica, and his side of the story concerning the allegations made by Jessica.
On October 25 2012 13:58 thepuppyassassin wrote: Who the hell is manager J? can we lose the acronym and get a pic so I can take a look at the bastard and curse his name. What with all these smoke and mirrors? Corporation R, etc.
Reading through the relevant threads helps (click to show nested quotes for video, pic, and old interview):
On October 24 2012 15:54 Namunelbo wrote: Posted on the other thread, if anyone interested on how "J" looks like.
On October 24 2012 15:04 Namunelbo wrote: Here's the infamous 'Manager J', also known as Hui-Chul "Garfield" Jung, with MMA (translating) right after he won Bluzzard Cup being interviewed by Rachel for CyberSportsNetwrok.
And this, just an assumption without much evidence.
On October 24 2012 15:38 Namunelbo wrote: Has this 'mysterious J' left the scene ever since Jessica kicked him out of the team or has he been watching closely from the shadows?
Jessica mentioned abruptly back then (before this drama) on how the Slayers social media accounts (twitter and facebook) were not associated with the team anymore, due to reasons she couldn't reveal. But we all know as of now that those accounts were managed by "J". Were the accounts given back to the team? or was "J" still in hold of those accounts? I doubt the accounts were reclaimed back by the team, if I recall correctly, sometime later after the disassociation with the accounts Jessica mentioned how from there onwards her own Twitter will be used as the team's official account.
Since then, there wasn't much activity in those accounts until early this month (October), when the non-official twitter became active again, and this time sparked the early rumors about Slayers disbanding http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=373628 .
Actually, that was yet another non-official account. The ones that "Manager J" had created and operated for the team were the ones described in this official statement from Jessica to TL.net on March 1, 2012:
Both of these have been silent ever since "Manager J" was found out and cut from the team in February/March. The thread you provided deals with the http://twitter.com/#!/slayersclan Twitter account.
Anyways, thanks for the CSN youtube video showing "Manager J" translating for MMA after winning Blizzard Cup at the end of last year. I had missed that earlier:
On October 24 2012 16:08 Proseat wrote: When I tried to find out more about this "Manager J", meanwhile identified as Hui-Chul "Garfield" Jung, the only picture I could find of him was in an old interview with Chinese website it.com.cn while he was working for FnaticMSI Korea:
Seems this guy did really get around already for his young age (born in Germany, worked for SK, then Fnatic and Razer in Korea etc.). Wonder why SlayerS or sponsors did not press legal charges against him as he seems to be the culprit for most problems.
Thanks for the clarification.
I'm surprised he somehow kept following the team despite possible legal actions Jessica might take against him if what is being said turns out to be true. Yet we still have to hear his part of the story,
@Slasher I have found and located the mysterious Slayers 'Manager J', and he has agreed to talk to me regarding several aspects of the Slayers story. This includes the discrepancies between Razer and MMA/Jessica, and his side of the story concerning the allegations made by Jessica.
Jessica let Manager J into the e-mails and handled sponsorship for corp. R(razor)... a company he was fired from? Does anything make any sense anymore? Seems to me jessica trusted him more than the players trusted him. Hypocrite much?
So, is jessica responsible for this? Is she going to say sorry to mma or something. everyone should just say sorry. if jessica says sorry, everything will end.
On October 25 2012 15:52 Lokian wrote: Jessica let Manager J into the e-mails and handled sponsorship for corp. R(razor)... a company he was fired from? Does anything make any sense anymore? Seems to me jessica trusted him more than the players trusted him. Hypocrite much?
So, is jessica responsible for this? Is she going to say sorry to mma or something. everyone should just say sorry. if jessica says sorry, everything will end.
Destiny has a better chance of winning a GSL than this happening.
Just to clarify, this isn't the first time there's been drama with Manager J. Does anyone else remember this, when the Slayers Twitter and Facebook (which he managed) were declared "non-official"?
On October 25 2012 15:52 Lokian wrote: Jessica let Manager J into the e-mails and handled sponsorship for corp. R(razor)... a company he was fired from? Does anything make any sense anymore? Seems to me jessica trusted him more than the players trusted him. Hypocrite much?
So, is jessica responsible for this? Is she going to say sorry to mma or something. everyone should just say sorry. if jessica says sorry, everything will end.
yeah well you see.
In this drama, Jessica's target audience is the korean fans, not the foreign ones. I can tell you without any hesitation
that 99.9% of the korean fans are on her side.
She also says she is sorry for her mistakes, but I really doubt she will ever apologize to Crank and MMA. Why would
she? she won this over and MMA and Crank are both fucked( im talking about tje korean scene)
On October 25 2012 15:52 Lokian wrote: Jessica let Manager J into the e-mails and handled sponsorship for corp. R(razor)... a company he was fired from? Does anything make any sense anymore? Seems to me jessica trusted him more than the players trusted him. Hypocrite much?
So, is jessica responsible for this? Is she going to say sorry to mma or something. everyone should just say sorry. if jessica says sorry, everything will end.
yeah well you see.
In this drama, Jessica's target audience is the korean fans, not the foreign ones. I can tell you without any hesitation
that 99.9% of the korean fans are on her side.
She also says she is sorry for her mistakes, but I really doubt she will ever apologize to Crank and MMA. Why would
she? she won this over and MMA and Crank are both fucked( im talking about tje korean scene)
Sounds like we have to do something to her reputation overseas to make her care when she is sequestered in Korea. I think we should begin by contacting all the Korean channels that carry older dramas with her acting in them.
On October 25 2012 15:52 Lokian wrote: Jessica let Manager J into the e-mails and handled sponsorship for corp. R(razor)... a company he was fired from? Does anything make any sense anymore? Seems to me jessica trusted him more than the players trusted him. Hypocrite much?
So, is jessica responsible for this? Is she going to say sorry to mma or something. everyone should just say sorry. if jessica says sorry, everything will end.
yeah well you see.
In this drama, Jessica's target audience is the korean fans, not the foreign ones. I can tell you without any hesitation
that 99.9% of the korean fans are on her side.
She also says she is sorry for her mistakes, but I really doubt she will ever apologize to Crank and MMA. Why would
she? she won this over and MMA and Crank are both fucked( im talking about tje korean scene)
why apologize? because she screwed up MMA getting a personal sponsorship from Razer. J shouldn't have had access to her email or nearly as much power as he did.
On October 25 2012 15:52 Lokian wrote: Jessica let Manager J into the e-mails and handled sponsorship for corp. R(razor)... a company he was fired from? Does anything make any sense anymore? Seems to me jessica trusted him more than the players trusted him. Hypocrite much?
So, is jessica responsible for this? Is she going to say sorry to mma or something. everyone should just say sorry. if jessica says sorry, everything will end.
yeah well you see.
In this drama, Jessica's target audience is the korean fans, not the foreign ones. I can tell you without any hesitation
that 99.9% of the korean fans are on her side.
She also says she is sorry for her mistakes, but I really doubt she will ever apologize to Crank and MMA. Why would
she? she won this over and MMA and Crank are both fucked( im talking about tje korean scene)
why apologize? because she screwed up MMA getting a personal sponsorship from Razer. J shouldn't have had access to her email or nearly as much power as he did.
I dont buy that shit
Her english is so good that she could possibly understand the offer and respond?
bullshit
Maybe you should bring something more solid if you want to bash her.
Jessica won this kids ,admit it
edit: mere speculation "j didnt have as much power blah blah"
you do know that jessica's english aint so good huh?
On October 25 2012 15:52 Lokian wrote: Jessica let Manager J into the e-mails and handled sponsorship for corp. R(razor)... a company he was fired from? Does anything make any sense anymore? Seems to me jessica trusted him more than the players trusted him. Hypocrite much?
So, is jessica responsible for this? Is she going to say sorry to mma or something. everyone should just say sorry. if jessica says sorry, everything will end.
yeah well you see.
In this drama, Jessica's target audience is the korean fans, not the foreign ones. I can tell you without any hesitation
that 99.9% of the korean fans are on her side.
She also says she is sorry for her mistakes, but I really doubt she will ever apologize to Crank and MMA. Why would
she? she won this over and MMA and Crank are both fucked( im talking about tje korean scene)
Sounds like we have to do something to her reputation overseas to make her care when she is sequestered in Korea. I think we should begin by contacting all the Korean channels that carry older dramas with her acting in them.
maybe if you defend her enough you will start to matter. it's fine though. good people have to get directly taken advantage of by liars a few times to learn that life lesson. i just can't wait to see how this plays out. i suspect we are lacking many details that could swing the direction of this either way. despite how many koreans blindly love and trust boxer's girlfriend.
On October 25 2012 15:52 Lokian wrote: Jessica let Manager J into the e-mails and handled sponsorship for corp. R(razor)... a company he was fired from? Does anything make any sense anymore? Seems to me jessica trusted him more than the players trusted him. Hypocrite much?
So, is jessica responsible for this? Is she going to say sorry to mma or something. everyone should just say sorry. if jessica says sorry, everything will end.
yeah well you see.
In this drama, Jessica's target audience is the korean fans, not the foreign ones. I can tell you without any hesitation
that 99.9% of the korean fans are on her side.
She also says she is sorry for her mistakes, but I really doubt she will ever apologize to Crank and MMA. Why would
she? she won this over and MMA and Crank are both fucked( im talking about tje korean scene)
why apologize? because she screwed up MMA getting a personal sponsorship from Razer. J shouldn't have had access to her email or nearly as much power as he did.
I dont buy that shit
Her english is so good that she could possibly understand the offer and respond?
bullshit
Maybe you should bring something more solid if you want to bash her.
Jessica won this kids ,admit it
edit: mere speculation "j didnt have as much power blah blah"
you do know that jessica's english aint so good huh?
wtf? her english has nothing to do with it. IF J had access to her email, thats a huge fuck up. If she needed an email translated, she could just ask him to translate it.
Fact is she gave J WAY too much power. And that is her mistake. And that is the biggest mistake that lead to slayers downfall.
On October 25 2012 17:01 multiversed wrote: maybe if you defend her enough you will start to matter. it's fine though. good people have to get directly taken advantage of by liars a few times to learn that life lesson. i just can't wait to see how this plays out. i suspect we are lacking many details that could swing the direction of this either way, despite how many koreans blindly love and trust boxer's girlfriend.
blindly
as in ?
You truly think korean fans are just idiots that they trust
jessica no matter what? Guess what, majority of korean
fans disliked jessica because of her involvement in drama with others on twitter
on numerous occasions.
MMA did stupid things as well.
He even signed his contract without even reading it (like wtf? lol).
jessica once called all the contracted players and told them
'if you want to leave, I will get rid of the contract paper so that you can go to another team"
Thats how Ganzi and Taeja left (i think taeja didnt have a contract )
MMA doesnt do it. But a few weeks later, he comes to jessica and asks her if she ripped off his
contract (like what??????? ).
Very professional , yep.
its like "i want to remain at slayers, but i dont want no contract on me"
On October 25 2012 15:52 Lokian wrote: Jessica let Manager J into the e-mails and handled sponsorship for corp. R(razor)... a company he was fired from? Does anything make any sense anymore? Seems to me jessica trusted him more than the players trusted him. Hypocrite much?
So, is jessica responsible for this? Is she going to say sorry to mma or something. everyone should just say sorry. if jessica says sorry, everything will end.
yeah well you see.
In this drama, Jessica's target audience is the korean fans, not the foreign ones. I can tell you without any hesitation
that 99.9% of the korean fans are on her side.
She also says she is sorry for her mistakes, but I really doubt she will ever apologize to Crank and MMA. Why would
she? she won this over and MMA and Crank are both fucked( im talking about tje korean scene)
why apologize? because she screwed up MMA getting a personal sponsorship from Razer. J shouldn't have had access to her email or nearly as much power as he did.
I dont buy that shit
Her english is so good that she could possibly understand the offer and respond?
bullshit
Maybe you should bring something more solid if you want to bash her.
Jessica won this kids ,admit it
edit: mere speculation "j didnt have as much power blah blah"
you do know that jessica's english aint so good huh?
wtf? her english has nothing to do with it. IF J had access to her email, thats a huge fuck up. If she needed an email translated, she could just ask him to translate it.
Fact is she gave J WAY too much power. And that is her mistake. And that is the biggest mistake that lead to slayers downfall.
Like MMA didnt make any huge mistakes at all.
trusting J over Jessica was part of his huge mistake, not to even mention that
On October 25 2012 15:52 Lokian wrote: Jessica let Manager J into the e-mails and handled sponsorship for corp. R(razor)... a company he was fired from? Does anything make any sense anymore? Seems to me jessica trusted him more than the players trusted him. Hypocrite much?
So, is jessica responsible for this? Is she going to say sorry to mma or something. everyone should just say sorry. if jessica says sorry, everything will end.
yeah well you see.
In this drama, Jessica's target audience is the korean fans, not the foreign ones. I can tell you without any hesitation
that 99.9% of the korean fans are on her side.
She also says she is sorry for her mistakes, but I really doubt she will ever apologize to Crank and MMA. Why would
she? she won this over and MMA and Crank are both fucked( im talking about tje korean scene)
why apologize? because she screwed up MMA getting a personal sponsorship from Razer. J shouldn't have had access to her email or nearly as much power as he did.
I dont buy that shit
Her english is so good that she could possibly understand the offer and respond?
bullshit
Maybe you should bring something more solid if you want to bash her.
Jessica won this kids ,admit it
edit: mere speculation "j didnt have as much power blah blah"
you do know that jessica's english aint so good huh?
wtf? her english has nothing to do with it. IF J had access to her email, thats a huge fuck up. If she needed an email translated, she could just ask him to translate it.
Fact is she gave J WAY too much power. And that is her mistake. And that is the biggest mistake that lead to slayers downfall.
Like MMA didnt make any huge mistakes at all.
trusting J over Jessica was part of his huge mistake, not to even mention that
so what are you asking for? honestly sir, let's not beat around the bush. what do you want from, not just me, but everyone that you are directing your arguments at? do you want us to just take your word for everything? because you claim to be from south korea? if this is the case... i kind of do think you are an idiot. sorry.
do you think she needs you to be doing this? do you think anything you say here will have an impact on anything? it's a fact that she is holding out information because she has been doing things like slowly releasing it on twitter. an overt act of manipulation clearly seeking an audience. fact. so jumping on people for following that line of reasoning is pretty idiotic when you don't have all the details either.
people are going to think what they are going to think but the one thing i came away from your post with is that i likely have a better understanding of korean culture than you do. or you are being dishonest. or both.
On October 25 2012 09:41 xBillehx wrote: I think it'd be a good idea to add what SirScoots said today on LO3 that IPL had some shady run-ins with Manager J also. According to them, Manager J attempted to steal players prize money by giving IPL his bank account information instead of the team/players. IPL ended up sending some, but caught it, reversed it and made sure the cash went to the right person instead. I'd be glad to add the time stamp as soon as the VOD's are out.
Wow. That guy is ballsy. And incredible stupid. Did he not think he'll ever get caught? More importantly, why is this information only coming up NOW? Why not back when it happened after IPL4, back in early April?
I was actually at GOM studio for a couple nights in April. Got a bunch of Slayers players' autographs on the GSL cheerful posters, including Cella's (who personalized it with name and date even lol). Now it's just depressing to look at these posters because all these drama was already brewing in their house when they sign these autographs.
The night MMA played, he seemingly came alone. I didn't see any coach or teammates. That's not to say they weren't waiting for him in the parking lot or backroom area. I just didn't see them at the studio. The next night when Puzzle & Ryung played, Cella accompanied them, along with Coca and Jessica.
On October 25 2012 17:21 multiversed wrote: so what are you asking for? honestly sir, let's not beat around the bush. what do you want from, not just me, but everyone that you are directing your arguments at? do you want us to just take your word for everything? because you claim to be from south korea? if this is the case... i kind of do think you are an idiot. sorry.
do you think she needs you to be doing this? do you think anything you say here will have an impact on anything? it's a fact that she is holding out information because she has been doing things like slowly releasing it on twitter. an overt act of manipulation clearly seeking an audience. fact. so jumping on people for following that line of reasoning is pretty idiotic when you don't have all the details either.
people are going to think what they are going to think but the one thing i came away from your post with is that i likely have a better understanding of korean culture than you do. or you are being dishonest. or both.
So let me ask you this. should she release all the information she has even though it means even more ruin for all the players involved? so far this has been the pattern
Jessica explained what happened with Slayers -> ESF, MC, MMA, etc. releases their own statements that do not disprove what Jessica said but rather come up with lame excuses/ outright lying for justifying their behavior -> Jessica strikes back at them by releasing evidence, which are by the way, hard facts not some baseless accusations and assumptions like the other side has been doing. just like MC's "apology" if you can even call it that, they all just rationalize their actions and take shots at Jessica at the same time.
On October 25 2012 17:21 multiversed wrote: so what are you asking for? honestly sir, let's not beat around the bush. what do you want from, not just me, but everyone that you are directing your arguments at? do you want us to just take your word for everything? because you claim to be from south korea? if this is the case... i kind of do think you are an idiot. sorry.
do you think she needs you to be doing this? do you think anything you say here will have an impact on anything? it's a fact that she is holding out information because she has been doing things like slowly releasing it on twitter. an overt act of manipulation clearly seeking an audience. fact. so jumping on people for following that line of reasoning is pretty idiotic when you don't have all the details either.
people are going to think what they are going to think but the one thing i came away from your post with is that i likely have a better understanding of korean culture than you do. or you are being dishonest. or both.
So let me ask you this. should she release all the information she has even though it means even more ruin for all the players involved? so far this has been the pattern
Jessica explained what happened with Slayers -> ESF, MC, MMA, etc. releases their own statements that do not disprove what Jessica said but rather come up with lame excuses/ outright lying for justifying their behavior -> Jessica strikes back at them by releasing evidence, which are by the way, hard facts not some baseless accusations and assumptions like the other side has been doing. just like MC's "apology" if you can even call it that, they all just rationalize their actions and take shots at Jessica at the same time.
If you think she withholds that information just to save others ruin and not to spin the story in her way/create more drama/audience that seems pretty naive. Part of the information that trickled out later was essential for the story, e.g. that razer really did want to sponsor MMA. Also, her evidence partly also proves that she is not to be trusted (recording phone calls without announcing it up front, wtf).
your problem is that you think i have some vested interest in this. what you and i think doesn't matter. i'm simply pointing out a pattern of behavior.
that being said, i am not going to take the word of a "professional" who can't and didn't handle things in a professional manner, and even continues still to behave unprofessionally. you release everything you have or nothing. at this point you are not in a position to cherry pick because it looks incredibly underhanded in that you are at very least attempting to protect your own interests above those of others. it's not for her to decide what should and shouldn't be released.
further more by doing what she is doing, she is seriously burning away her chances at having a smooth case in whatever court she talks about when she throws all those threats of suing around...
On October 25 2012 17:01 multiversed wrote: maybe if you defend her enough you will start to matter. it's fine though. good people have to get directly taken advantage of by liars a few times to learn that life lesson. i just can't wait to see how this plays out. i suspect we are lacking many details that could swing the direction of this either way, despite how many koreans blindly love and trust boxer's girlfriend.
blindly
as in ?
You truly think korean fans are just idiots that they trust
jessica no matter what? Guess what, majority of korean
fans disliked jessica because of her involvement in drama with others on twitter
on numerous occasions.
MMA did stupid things as well.
He even signed his contract without even reading it (like wtf? lol).
jessica once called all the contracted players and told them
'if you want to leave, I will get rid of the contract paper so that you can go to another team"
Thats how Ganzi and Taeja left (i think taeja didnt have a contract )
MMA doesnt do it. But a few weeks later, he comes to jessica and asks her if she ripped off his
contract (like what??????? ).
Very professional , yep.
its like "i want to remain at slayers, but i dont want no contract on me"
You know what's professional? A 40 year old ex manager asking for apologies from MC for trash talking, startle for a legal practice ban and ALL players who left her team. Even those without contracts. And then taping numerous phone calls from non contracted players.
On October 25 2012 16:35 bduddy wrote: Just to clarify, this isn't the first time there's been drama with Manager J. Does anyone else remember this, when the Slayers Twitter and Facebook (which he managed) were declared "non-official"?
On October 25 2012 15:52 Lokian wrote: Jessica let Manager J into the e-mails and handled sponsorship for corp. R(razor)... a company he was fired from? Does anything make any sense anymore? Seems to me jessica trusted him more than the players trusted him. Hypocrite much?
So, is jessica responsible for this? Is she going to say sorry to mma or something. everyone should just say sorry. if jessica says sorry, everything will end.
yeah well you see.
In this drama, Jessica's target audience is the korean fans, not the foreign ones. I can tell you without any hesitation
that 99.9% of the korean fans are on her side.
She also says she is sorry for her mistakes, but I really doubt she will ever apologize to Crank and MMA. Why would
she? she won this over and MMA and Crank are both fucked( im talking about tje korean scene)
why apologize? because she screwed up MMA getting a personal sponsorship from Razer. J shouldn't have had access to her email or nearly as much power as he did.
I dont buy that shit
Her english is so good that she could possibly understand the offer and respond?
bullshit
Maybe you should bring something more solid if you want to bash her.
Jessica won this kids ,admit it
edit: mere speculation "j didnt have as much power blah blah"
you do know that jessica's english aint so good huh?
wtf? her english has nothing to do with it. IF J had access to her email, thats a huge fuck up. If she needed an email translated, she could just ask him to translate it.
Fact is she gave J WAY too much power. And that is her mistake. And that is the biggest mistake that lead to slayers downfall.
If that's indeed what she did. She deserves to lose her money. No one's fault but her own. There's no way you trust and give someone that much power in her position, especially someone that manages your less profitable business.
That being said, I don't think she was that stupid, and this is why I think J and Jessica actually have a fighting chance in court against each other. I'm pretty sure this is where she embezzled money out of the team. If she is indeed guiltless in Jessica v J, it would be a settlement, Jessica wouldn't need to build up a case against J. J would be dead meat, instead of running around seemingly completely unharmed.
Now that all the evidence is out, everyone knows that MMA and CranK really did nothing wrong except handle a crazy woman badly. In the ideal country, netiziens would not be allowed to destroy the lives of people over unsubstantiated rumors. J must have some sort of case against Jessica, or he would've fled the country. He could've gone to Germany. He also could've settled if he didn't have any sort of defense and didn't want to leave.
Jessica has to take Manager J to court, and MMA and CranK might be able to clear their names if they are called up to testify against J, or even Jessica if she did indeed embezzle money from Slayers. A suit will be a much bigger event than a SC2 team falling apart.
On October 25 2012 18:09 boxturtle wrote: Koreans are notoriously fucking stupid at this "internet opinion" kind of stuff.
Sir, I wish to point out this is your incredibly biased and racist opinion.
I am Korean. I have probably met as many Koreans in my lifetime as some people have white people. If you think it's simply opinion, I'd like you to point out another nation that does shit like the Tablo game.
On October 25 2012 18:09 boxturtle wrote: Koreans are notoriously fucking stupid at this "internet opinion" kind of stuff.
Sir, I wish to point out this is your incredibly biased and racist opinion.
I am Korean. I have probably met as many Koreans in my lifetime as some people have white people. If you think it's simply opinion, I'd like you to point out another nation that does shit like the Tablo game.
I don't care if you're Korean, that doesn't stop your opinion from being biased or racist. Also unless you've been to every country in the world and met every type of people who live there, your statement is still invalid.
On October 25 2012 18:09 boxturtle wrote: Koreans are notoriously fucking stupid at this "internet opinion" kind of stuff.
Sir, I wish to point out this is your incredibly biased and racist opinion.
I am Korean. I have probably met as many Koreans in my lifetime as some people have white people. If you think it's simply opinion, I'd like you to point out another nation that does shit like the Tablo game.
I don't care if you're Korean, that doesn't stop your opinion from being biased or racist. Also unless you've been to every country in the world and met every type of people who live there, your statement is still invalid.
I'd think if any other country's netizens tried to destroy someone's life over unsubstantiated rumor, then try to create (read: fake) their own evidence, it'd be all over the news. I would've heard about something ridiculous like that.
What would you rather have me say? What captures the sentiment without being "racist" as you say? I say Korean as in nationality. Asian is a race.
I can say "Angelenos are notoriously fucking bad at driving" and it would be accepted just fine. Shall I say "those that live in Korea are notoriously fucking stupid at this internet opinion stuff?"
On October 25 2012 18:09 boxturtle wrote: Koreans are notoriously fucking stupid at this "internet opinion" kind of stuff.
Sir, I wish to point out this is your incredibly biased and racist opinion.
I am Korean. I have probably met as many Koreans in my lifetime as some people have white people. If you think it's simply opinion, I'd like you to point out another nation that does shit like the Tablo game.
I don't care if you're Korean, that doesn't stop your opinion from being biased or racist. Also unless you've been to every country in the world and met every type of people who live there, your statement is still invalid.
I'd think if any other country's netizens tried to destroy someone's life over unsubstantiated rumor, then try to create (read: fake) their own evidence, it'd be all over the news. I would've heard about something ridiculous like that.
What would you rather have me say? What captures the sentiment without being "racist" as you say? I say Korean as in nationality. Asian is a race.
"Korean" is a subrace of "Asians". Just as the "Chinese" are a subrace of "Asians" also. Your opinion is also still only your opinion. It would've been nice if you could say, "In the ideal country, netiziens would not be allowed to destroy the lives of people over unsubstantiated rumors."
On October 25 2012 18:09 boxturtle wrote: Koreans are notoriously fucking stupid at this "internet opinion" kind of stuff.
Sir, I wish to point out this is your incredibly biased and racist opinion.
I am Korean. I have probably met as many Koreans in my lifetime as some people have white people. If you think it's simply opinion, I'd like you to point out another nation that does shit like the Tablo game.
I don't care if you're Korean, that doesn't stop your opinion from being biased or racist. Also unless you've been to every country in the world and met every type of people who live there, your statement is still invalid.
I'd think if any other country's netizens tried to destroy someone's life over unsubstantiated rumor, then try to create (read: fake) their own evidence, it'd be all over the news. I would've heard about something ridiculous like that.
What would you rather have me say? What captures the sentiment without being "racist" as you say? I say Korean as in nationality. Asian is a race.
"Korean" is a subrace of "Asians". Just as the "Chinese" are a subrace of "Asians" also. Your opinion is also still only your opinion. It would've been nice if you could say, "In the ideal country, netiziens would not be allowed to destroy the lives of people over unsubstantiated rumors."
If it offends you so, I will edit my original post with your suggestion. I might say I find it weird that the non-Korean is telling the Korean that this is a statement racist against Koreans.
On October 25 2012 18:09 boxturtle wrote: Koreans are notoriously fucking stupid at this "internet opinion" kind of stuff.
Sir, I wish to point out this is your incredibly biased and racist opinion.
I am Korean. I have probably met as many Koreans in my lifetime as some people have white people. If you think it's simply opinion, I'd like you to point out another nation that does shit like the Tablo game.
I don't care if you're Korean, that doesn't stop your opinion from being biased or racist. Also unless you've been to every country in the world and met every type of people who live there, your statement is still invalid.
I'd think if any other country's netizens tried to destroy someone's life over unsubstantiated rumor, then try to create (read: fake) their own evidence, it'd be all over the news. I would've heard about something ridiculous like that.
What would you rather have me say? What captures the sentiment without being "racist" as you say? I say Korean as in nationality. Asian is a race.
"Korean" is a subrace of "Asians". Just as the "Chinese" are a subrace of "Asians" also. Your opinion is also still only your opinion. It would've been nice if you could say, "In the ideal country, netiziens would not be allowed to destroy the lives of people over unsubstantiated rumors."
Edit response to: I can say "Angelenos are notoriously fucking bad at driving" and it would be accepted just fine. No, I don't think it would be alright. Also you don't have to be part of a race to point out racist statements.
Wait, wtf, I can't work through all 24 pages of this. How did we get from "Manager J seems to have lied about sponsorship offerings to the SlayerS team" to "This is all Jessicas fault because she trusted Manager J to translate things accurately"? I can't wrap my head around how we could've possibly ended up here.
Can we at least agree that not locking your car properly is stupid, but stealing said car is still the real crime? Semi-related analogies aside: Trusting the wrong people can be stupid (though it's some times extremely difficult to tell), but that's nothing in the grand scale of debauchery that Manager J allegedly was in to..
On October 25 2012 18:09 boxturtle wrote: Koreans are notoriously fucking stupid at this "internet opinion" kind of stuff.
Sir, I wish to point out this is your incredibly biased and racist opinion.
I am Korean. I have probably met as many Koreans in my lifetime as some people have white people. If you think it's simply opinion, I'd like you to point out another nation that does shit like the Tablo game.
I don't care if you're Korean, that doesn't stop your opinion from being biased or racist. Also unless you've been to every country in the world and met every type of people who live there, your statement is still invalid.
I'd think if any other country's netizens tried to destroy someone's life over unsubstantiated rumor, then try to create (read: fake) their own evidence, it'd be all over the news. I would've heard about something ridiculous like that.
What would you rather have me say? What captures the sentiment without being "racist" as you say? I say Korean as in nationality. Asian is a race.
"Korean" is a subrace of "Asians". Just as the "Chinese" are a subrace of "Asians" also. Your opinion is also still only your opinion. It would've been nice if you could say, "In the ideal country, netiziens would not be allowed to destroy the lives of people over unsubstantiated rumors."
Edit response to: I can say "Angelenos are notoriously fucking bad at driving" and it would be accepted just fine. No, I don't think it would be alright. Also you don't have to be part of a race to point out racist statements.
I mean to say that I've expressed many similar sentiments to family in Korea, as well as numerous times in public here and there. Especially in Los Angeles, many Korean-American acquaintances would agree with my sentiment.
Racist? Perhaps I worded it wrongly. I did not mean to say: If one is an ethnic Korean, they must have poor skills at managing information over the internet and forming opinions. I meant to say: Culturally, Koreans have such poor ability to handle internet opinion that they are notorious for it.
Most Angelenos would agree with my assessment on driving. I've heard other residents of large cities such as Boston say similar things. I would like to point out that generalizations are just that.
I've seen perfectly kosher Human Resources tools (such as for the UK olympics) say: The X race do Y, remember to treat them in Z fashion. One in particular I recall is that Australians like to swear. As the UK is a place where hate speech is a crime, I doubt those would've been used if they were not completely fine.
On October 25 2012 18:09 boxturtle wrote: Koreans are notoriously fucking stupid at this "internet opinion" kind of stuff.
Sir, I wish to point out this is your incredibly biased and racist opinion.
I am Korean. I have probably met as many Koreans in my lifetime as some people have white people. If you think it's simply opinion, I'd like you to point out another nation that does shit like the Tablo game.
I don't care if you're Korean, that doesn't stop your opinion from being biased or racist. Also unless you've been to every country in the world and met every type of people who live there, your statement is still invalid.
Lol. Okay buddy.you win the internet argument with your logic. Lol
On October 25 2012 18:26 Martijn wrote: Wait, wtf, I can't work through all 24 pages of this. How did we get from "Manager J seems to have lied about sponsorship offerings to the SlayerS team" to "This is all Jessicas fault because she trusted Manager J to translate things accurately"? I can't wrap my head around how we could've possibly ended up here.
Can we at least agree that not locking your car properly is stupid, but stealing said car is still the real crime? Semi-related analogies aside: Trusting the wrong people can be stupid (though it's some times extremely difficult to tell), but that's nothing in the grand scale of debauchery that Manager J allegedly was in to..
This was what I was thinking too. Most of the posts I see either bash or defend Jessica, why isn't anyone crucifying manager J?
Edit: okay, there ARE some people who are outraged over what manager J did, I still don't get it why people are blaming Jessica more than him though.
On October 25 2012 18:26 Martijn wrote: Wait, wtf, I can't work through all 24 pages of this. How did we get from "Manager J seems to have lied about sponsorship offerings to the SlayerS team" to "This is all Jessicas fault because she trusted Manager J to translate things accurately"? I can't wrap my head around how we could've possibly ended up here.
Can we at least agree that not locking your car properly is stupid, but stealing said car is still the real crime? Semi-related analogies aside: Trusting the wrong people can be stupid (though it's some times extremely difficult to tell), but that's nothing in the grand scale of debauchery that Manager J allegedly was in to..
This was what I was thinking too. Most of the posts I see either bash or defend Jessica, why isn't anyone crucifying manager J?
Edit: okay, there ARE some people who are outraged over what manager J did, I still don't get it why people are blaming Jessica more than him though.
She went on a rampage on everyone. It's like painting a target on her own back. If she only blamed J and eSF, we would all blame J and eSF.
On October 25 2012 18:26 Martijn wrote: Wait, wtf, I can't work through all 24 pages of this. How did we get from "Manager J seems to have lied about sponsorship offerings to the SlayerS team" to "This is all Jessicas fault because she trusted Manager J to translate things accurately"? I can't wrap my head around how we could've possibly ended up here.
Can we at least agree that not locking your car properly is stupid, but stealing said car is still the real crime? Semi-related analogies aside: Trusting the wrong people can be stupid (though it's some times extremely difficult to tell), but that's nothing in the grand scale of debauchery that Manager J allegedly was in to..
This was what I was thinking too. Most of the posts I see either bash or defend Jessica, why isn't anyone crucifying manager J?
Edit: okay, there ARE some people who are outraged over what manager J did, I still don't get it why people are blaming Jessica more than him though.
She went on a rampage on everyone. If she only blamed J and eSF, we would all blame J and eSF.
Ok, who else is included in this "everyone"? As far as I can tell, she was right about the eSF nonsense and that's why the guy stepped down. From what I read here, for now she seems to be right about Manager J lying to her and players trying to pit them against her.
With "everyone" are we talking the players that believed Manager Js word over hers? I'd like to first establish what you mean.
On October 25 2012 08:22 Swish 41 wrote: Too much drama, can someone TL;DR it for me?
Razor offered a personal sponsorship for Boxer, and maybe MMA. (Not clear on that?)
Jessica denied them.
Uh u missed the part where manager J took over jessica's email, thus making it look like jessica denied it when manager J did that.
How would a manager that is there for only 2 months get that kind of access. Jessica is is the type to record everything i would imagine she took care of that information a bit better, that's just careless behavior.
Well thats exactly the drama. Jessica and the players trusted him too much initially.
On October 25 2012 09:41 xBillehx wrote: I think it'd be a good idea to add what SirScoots said today on LO3 that IPL had some shady run-ins with Manager J also. According to them, Manager J attempted to steal players prize money by giving IPL his bank account information instead of the team/players. IPL ended up sending some, but caught it, reversed it and made sure the cash went to the right person instead. I'd be glad to add the time stamp as soon as the VOD's are out.
On October 25 2012 18:26 Martijn wrote: Wait, wtf, I can't work through all 24 pages of this. How did we get from "Manager J seems to have lied about sponsorship offerings to the SlayerS team" to "This is all Jessicas fault because she trusted Manager J to translate things accurately"? I can't wrap my head around how we could've possibly ended up here.
Can we at least agree that not locking your car properly is stupid, but stealing said car is still the real crime? Semi-related analogies aside: Trusting the wrong people can be stupid (though it's some times extremely difficult to tell), but that's nothing in the grand scale of debauchery that Manager J allegedly was in to..
This was what I was thinking too. Most of the posts I see either bash or defend Jessica, why isn't anyone crucifying manager J?
Edit: okay, there ARE some people who are outraged over what manager J did, I still don't get it why people are blaming Jessica more than him though.
There's no need for discussion regarding mr. Chul 'Garfield' Jung because everyone agrees that what he does was shady. People are blaming Jessica for blaming the players, when the actions of the players were at least partially a direct result of her letting "mr. J" manage sponsorships etc.
On October 25 2012 18:26 Martijn wrote: Wait, wtf, I can't work through all 24 pages of this. How did we get from "Manager J seems to have lied about sponsorship offerings to the SlayerS team" to "This is all Jessicas fault because she trusted Manager J to translate things accurately"? I can't wrap my head around how we could've possibly ended up here.
Can we at least agree that not locking your car properly is stupid, but stealing said car is still the real crime? Semi-related analogies aside: Trusting the wrong people can be stupid (though it's some times extremely difficult to tell), but that's nothing in the grand scale of debauchery that Manager J allegedly was in to..
This was what I was thinking too. Most of the posts I see either bash or defend Jessica, why isn't anyone crucifying manager J?
Edit: okay, there ARE some people who are outraged over what manager J did, I still don't get it why people are blaming Jessica more than him though.
She went on a rampage on everyone. If she only blamed J and eSF, we would all blame J and eSF.
Ok, who else is included in this "everyone"? As far as I can tell, she was right about the eSF nonsense and that's why the guy stepped down. From what I read here, for now she seems to be right about Manager J lying to her and players trying to pit them against her.
With "everyone" are we talking the players that believed Manager Js word over hers? I'd like to first establish what you mean.
I mean her player as well. It does not matter whether she's correct or incorrect. There's no question that she lashed out at everyone, and when you do that, even if you are correct, people look at you very negatively.
On October 25 2012 18:26 Martijn wrote: Wait, wtf, I can't work through all 24 pages of this. How did we get from "Manager J seems to have lied about sponsorship offerings to the SlayerS team" to "This is all Jessicas fault because she trusted Manager J to translate things accurately"? I can't wrap my head around how we could've possibly ended up here.
Can we at least agree that not locking your car properly is stupid, but stealing said car is still the real crime? Semi-related analogies aside: Trusting the wrong people can be stupid (though it's some times extremely difficult to tell), but that's nothing in the grand scale of debauchery that Manager J allegedly was in to..
This was what I was thinking too. Most of the posts I see either bash or defend Jessica, why isn't anyone crucifying manager J?
Edit: okay, there ARE some people who are outraged over what manager J did, I still don't get it why people are blaming Jessica more than him though.
She went on a rampage on everyone. If she only blamed J and eSF, we would all blame J and eSF.
Ok, who else is included in this "everyone"? As far as I can tell, she was right about the eSF nonsense and that's why the guy stepped down. From what I read here, for now she seems to be right about Manager J lying to her and players trying to pit them against her.
With "everyone" are we talking the players that believed Manager Js word over hers? I'd like to first establish what you mean.
I mean her player as well. It does not matter whether she's correct or incorrect. There's no question that she lashed out at everyone, and when you do that, even if you are correct, people look at you very negatively.
Ok, but if we're blaming Jessica for being deceived by Manager J, how can we not blame the players that were deceived by Manager J? Logically, you can either fault both Jessica and the players or not fault either of them. I'm pretty sure we're metagaming this discussion at this point.
On October 25 2012 18:26 Martijn wrote: Wait, wtf, I can't work through all 24 pages of this. How did we get from "Manager J seems to have lied about sponsorship offerings to the SlayerS team" to "This is all Jessicas fault because she trusted Manager J to translate things accurately"? I can't wrap my head around how we could've possibly ended up here.
Can we at least agree that not locking your car properly is stupid, but stealing said car is still the real crime? Semi-related analogies aside: Trusting the wrong people can be stupid (though it's some times extremely difficult to tell), but that's nothing in the grand scale of debauchery that Manager J allegedly was in to..
This was what I was thinking too. Most of the posts I see either bash or defend Jessica, why isn't anyone crucifying manager J?
Edit: okay, there ARE some people who are outraged over what manager J did, I still don't get it why people are blaming Jessica more than him though.
She went on a rampage on everyone. If she only blamed J and eSF, we would all blame J and eSF.
To add to this, she was the one who should've screwed Manager J. She has the case.
However, since she won't speak due to her pending case, she went after hardly involved parties to save face. In Korea, she is vastly more popular, and their netdrones form a hivemind that can shame reddit. She essentially went after a bunch of early 20-somethings that were bad employees (or not employees in CranK's situation). That extremely hypocritical, as she herself has admitted she made horrid decisions. She killed Slayers with bad management decision after bad management decision and she needed a scapegoat. Why not hit players that can hardly defend themselves? She didn't have that great of a relationship with them.
To add to it, she actually told MC he wasn't important enough to be talking to on twitter after she was informed he got hit in the face due to her accusation of "bullying" Genius. She's flailing and hitting people that are hardly liable.
Take CranK for example. He was unpaid, and yet he got blamed for Alicia, Ryung, MMA leaving. Of course, she recorded a phone call where she and Boxer goaded him, then put it up on the internet so she could claim that he was rude.
At this point, I don't know whether or not I want Manager J to squeeze his way out of paying Jessica like slime or not. She definitely doesn't deserve anything after showing that this was the horrible fashion she manages her financial endeavors.
Ok, but if we're blaming Jessica for being deceived by Manager J, how can we not blame the players that were deceived by Manager J? Logically, you can either fault both Jessica and the players or not fault either of them. I'm pretty sure we're metagaming this discussion at this point.
Because players are employees and they are obligated to work with management (Manager J). Jessica is an employer. It is completely her culpability if a manager like such is hired and allowed cause this much damage over such a long period of time.
Also, it is not known whether or not Jessica actually committed her own sabotage. She claims that J had access to her e-mail account, and it was him rather than her that sabotaged MMA's sponsorship. There is no proof of this (and I can't imagine how someone would provide proof of this) one way or the other.
Honestly, it seems that Jessica didn't treat the players with understanding/respect/kindness or whatever a leader should do to 'inspire' the team. Perhaps, she even disrespected them.
But, as far as what was OWED to them, I don't doubt that she was aboveboard. Stealing/embezzling/sabotaging any of that. She probably was a huge bitch that rode them all day, and it's easy to see how a 3rd party can manipulate such a relationship to their advantage. Her perspective has mostly been defensive. I doubt anyone wants to really sling mud with her, because she would screw their reputations up.
In the end, it was really her fault - she was a naive outsider, who had no business taking on this role and only fucked up Boxer's name. But I have no sympathy at all for the players, they can swim with the KESPA fish now.
On October 25 2012 18:26 Martijn wrote: Wait, wtf, I can't work through all 24 pages of this. How did we get from "Manager J seems to have lied about sponsorship offerings to the SlayerS team" to "This is all Jessicas fault because she trusted Manager J to translate things accurately"? I can't wrap my head around how we could've possibly ended up here.
Can we at least agree that not locking your car properly is stupid, but stealing said car is still the real crime? Semi-related analogies aside: Trusting the wrong people can be stupid (though it's some times extremely difficult to tell), but that's nothing in the grand scale of debauchery that Manager J allegedly was in to..
This was what I was thinking too. Most of the posts I see either bash or defend Jessica, why isn't anyone crucifying manager J?
Edit: okay, there ARE some people who are outraged over what manager J did, I still don't get it why people are blaming Jessica more than him though.
Easy ... Jessica is "the head of the fish" and a fish starts to smell at the head. She owns and manages the team and thus is ultimately responsible. Apparently she was "smart enough" to allow manager J to use her own email account, which is not good as a manager. This caused the Razer confusion for sponsorship and who declined it. She also did NOTHING after several people complained about the bad team spirit. She is also ultimately responsible for not getting new sponsors for the team.
So yeah, manager J probably did a few bad things, but Jessica did LOTS more ... mostly due to neglect. Since she doesnt acknowledge these responsibilities and the blame attached to them and instead tries to put all of the blame on the players, she ends up as the real villain of the story who portraits herself as the victim.
Its all about CAUSE and EFFECT. Manager J, MMA and all the others blamed by her are only the effect of an incompetent head management by her.
On October 25 2012 18:26 Martijn wrote: Wait, wtf, I can't work through all 24 pages of this. How did we get from "Manager J seems to have lied about sponsorship offerings to the SlayerS team" to "This is all Jessicas fault because she trusted Manager J to translate things accurately"? I can't wrap my head around how we could've possibly ended up here.
Can we at least agree that not locking your car properly is stupid, but stealing said car is still the real crime? Semi-related analogies aside: Trusting the wrong people can be stupid (though it's some times extremely difficult to tell), but that's nothing in the grand scale of debauchery that Manager J allegedly was in to..
This was what I was thinking too. Most of the posts I see either bash or defend Jessica, why isn't anyone crucifying manager J?
Edit: okay, there ARE some people who are outraged over what manager J did, I still don't get it why people are blaming Jessica more than him though.
She went on a rampage on everyone. If she only blamed J and eSF, we would all blame J and eSF.
Ok, who else is included in this "everyone"? As far as I can tell, she was right about the eSF nonsense and that's why the guy stepped down. From what I read here, for now she seems to be right about Manager J lying to her and players trying to pit them against her.
With "everyone" are we talking the players that believed Manager Js word over hers? I'd like to first establish what you mean.
I mean her player as well. It does not matter whether she's correct or incorrect. There's no question that she lashed out at everyone, and when you do that, even if you are correct, people look at you very negatively.
To be fair, she gave her view on how and why Slayers disbanded. That includes the details about MMA and co. I think we rather need to blame ourselves for making it such a witchhunt.
On October 25 2012 08:22 Swish 41 wrote: Too much drama, can someone TL;DR it for me?
Razor offered a personal sponsorship for Boxer, and maybe MMA. (Not clear on that?)
Jessica denied them.
Uh u missed the part where manager J took over jessica's email, thus making it look like jessica denied it when manager J did that.
How would a manager that is there for only 2 months get that kind of access. Jessica is is the type to record everything i would imagine she took care of that information a bit better, that's just careless behavior.
It's more likely 'her email' is the account she set up to run Slayers, making it more of a corporate account.
And they already said he was given responsibility over their Twitter and Facebook pages b/c he was fluent in English and German (as well as Korean) so he was technically qualified to handle communication. I didn't see where he had access to her email; but it would make sense.
Of course it turns out he wasn't ethically qualified to do anything... I wonder if that's what got him fired from 'Corporation R' in the first place (which was why he was hanging around Slayers to begin with).
Is this how teams corporate ? Sharing your mail where you deal with sponsors with your team managers ? To me that sounds not only risky but you basicly show a part of your finances aswell wich is something that in my opinion should be kept private.
I also know his english was qualified etc and he basicly replaced Cella to handle forgeign communications as you said, but how does that justify anything ?
His job description wasn't just the "team manager" you're thinking of. He was actually supposed to be in charge of looking for sponsors etc. I believe. So yes, it's justified for him to have access to the corporate email.
He had experience in the field, and was promoted to that position during the later portion of his stay there.
On October 25 2012 18:26 Martijn wrote: Wait, wtf, I can't work through all 24 pages of this. How did we get from "Manager J seems to have lied about sponsorship offerings to the SlayerS team" to "This is all Jessicas fault because she trusted Manager J to translate things accurately"? I can't wrap my head around how we could've possibly ended up here.
Can we at least agree that not locking your car properly is stupid, but stealing said car is still the real crime? Semi-related analogies aside: Trusting the wrong people can be stupid (though it's some times extremely difficult to tell), but that's nothing in the grand scale of debauchery that Manager J allegedly was in to..
This was what I was thinking too. Most of the posts I see either bash or defend Jessica, why isn't anyone crucifying manager J?
Edit: okay, there ARE some people who are outraged over what manager J did, I still don't get it why people are blaming Jessica more than him though.
Easy ... Jessica is "the head of the fish" and a fish starts to smell at the head. She owns and manages the team and thus is ultimately responsible. Apparently she was "smart enough" to allow manager J to use her own email account, which is not good as a manager. This caused the Razer confusion for sponsorship and who declined it. She also did NOTHING after several people complained about the bad team spirit. She is also ultimately responsible for not getting new sponsors for the team.
So yeah, manager J probably did a few bad things, but Jessica did LOTS more ... mostly due to neglect. Since she doesnt acknowledge these responsibilities and the blame attached to them and instead tries to put all of the blame on the players, she ends up as the real villain of the story who portraits herself as the victim.
Its all about CAUSE and EFFECT. Manager J, MMA and all the others blamed by her are only the effect of an incompetent head management by her.
You obviously lack experience in the field... You're opinion is relatively correct, in that in the end, everything boiled down to the fact that the team owner/manager could not maintain the trust of the players. However, to say that that is entirely her fault, when it was the players who ignorantly decided to not trust her (without talking to her first, without trying to fully understand the situation, without any real reason to not trust her). Any team manager who's players one day stop trusting her and don't even tell her about it will be caught by surprise, and to save the team at that point is near impossible. Especially when the players at fault refuse to trust her after solid evidence is shown, and are the core of the team (MMA, Alicia, Ryung, CranK, 4 of the most popular players on SlayerS worldwide).
On October 25 2012 09:41 xBillehx wrote: I think it'd be a good idea to add what SirScoots said today on LO3 that IPL had some shady run-ins with Manager J also. According to them, Manager J attempted to steal players prize money by giving IPL his bank account information instead of the team/players. IPL ended up sending some, but caught it, reversed it and made sure the cash went to the right person instead. I'd be glad to add the time stamp as soon as the VOD's are out.
jessica always seems so fishy and evasive to me... i really am not a fan of her anymore. initially she seemed to do good things for slayers, but i am tired of hearing about her recently
On October 25 2012 18:26 Martijn wrote: Wait, wtf, I can't work through all 24 pages of this. How did we get from "Manager J seems to have lied about sponsorship offerings to the SlayerS team" to "This is all Jessicas fault because she trusted Manager J to translate things accurately"? I can't wrap my head around how we could've possibly ended up here.
Can we at least agree that not locking your car properly is stupid, but stealing said car is still the real crime? Semi-related analogies aside: Trusting the wrong people can be stupid (though it's some times extremely difficult to tell), but that's nothing in the grand scale of debauchery that Manager J allegedly was in to..
This was what I was thinking too. Most of the posts I see either bash or defend Jessica, why isn't anyone crucifying manager J?
Edit: okay, there ARE some people who are outraged over what manager J did, I still don't get it why people are blaming Jessica more than him though.
Easy ... Jessica is "the head of the fish" and a fish starts to smell at the head. She owns and manages the team and thus is ultimately responsible. Apparently she was "smart enough" to allow manager J to use her own email account, which is not good as a manager. This caused the Razer confusion for sponsorship and who declined it. She also did NOTHING after several people complained about the bad team spirit. She is also ultimately responsible for not getting new sponsors for the team.
So yeah, manager J probably did a few bad things, but Jessica did LOTS more ... mostly due to neglect. Since she doesnt acknowledge these responsibilities and the blame attached to them and instead tries to put all of the blame on the players, she ends up as the real villain of the story who portraits herself as the victim.
Its all about CAUSE and EFFECT. Manager J, MMA and all the others blamed by her are only the effect of an incompetent head management by her.
You obviously lack experience in the field... You're opinion is relatively correct, in that in the end, everything boiled down to the fact that the team owner/manager could not maintain the trust of the players. However, to say that that is entirely her fault, when it was the players who ignorantly decided to not trust her (without talking to her first, without trying to fully understand the situation, without any real reason to not trust her). Any team manager who's players one day stop trusting her and don't even tell her about it will be caught by surprise, and to save the team at that point is near impossible. Especially when the players at fault refuse to trust her after solid evidence is shown, and are the core of the team (MMA, Alicia, Ryung, CranK, 4 of the most popular players on SlayerS worldwide).
I am not saying that the players and manager J did everything perfect and dont deserve any blame, but Jessicas share is so MUCH bigger and yet she tries to blame only the players, which demonstrates bad personality, so she totally deserves to be trashed much more than the players. In the end - if the players had kept on trusting her - it wouldnt have mattered, because she is just terrible at managing a team and the end would have come a little later. It is easier and better to "let go" of something good than to artificially keep it alive.
Btw. ... no one needs "experience in the field" here, just some good common sense and no fanboyism/worship of one or the other side.
On October 25 2012 18:26 Martijn wrote: Wait, wtf, I can't work through all 24 pages of this. How did we get from "Manager J seems to have lied about sponsorship offerings to the SlayerS team" to "This is all Jessicas fault because she trusted Manager J to translate things accurately"? I can't wrap my head around how we could've possibly ended up here.
Can we at least agree that not locking your car properly is stupid, but stealing said car is still the real crime? Semi-related analogies aside: Trusting the wrong people can be stupid (though it's some times extremely difficult to tell), but that's nothing in the grand scale of debauchery that Manager J allegedly was in to..
This was what I was thinking too. Most of the posts I see either bash or defend Jessica, why isn't anyone crucifying manager J?
Edit: okay, there ARE some people who are outraged over what manager J did, I still don't get it why people are blaming Jessica more than him though.
Easy ... Jessica is "the head of the fish" and a fish starts to smell at the head. She owns and manages the team and thus is ultimately responsible. Apparently she was "smart enough" to allow manager J to use her own email account, which is not good as a manager. This caused the Razer confusion for sponsorship and who declined it. She also did NOTHING after several people complained about the bad team spirit. She is also ultimately responsible for not getting new sponsors for the team.
So yeah, manager J probably did a few bad things, but Jessica did LOTS more ... mostly due to neglect. Since she doesnt acknowledge these responsibilities and the blame attached to them and instead tries to put all of the blame on the players, she ends up as the real villain of the story who portraits herself as the victim.
Its all about CAUSE and EFFECT. Manager J, MMA and all the others blamed by her are only the effect of an incompetent head management by her.
That's INCREDIBLY naive.
Anyone that knows anything about western progaming teams knows that the rolls are completely blurred. I imagine it's not that different in Korean progaming teams. A manager isn't a supervisor and the rolls of a manager or even between different managers on the same team differ highly. Not to mention this Manager J used to be the contact for a sponsor right? Then when he lost his role at said sponsor, he moved to become a manager. 1. This means that he used to be on equal terms or even above Jessica (because we know the pressure sponsors can put up in esports) 2. He'd obviously be a good candidate to deal with sponsors because he's familiar with the team-sponsor relation. Not to mention the players seem to like him.
Speculation here, but if you email someone in English that doesn't speak English, you have to know that regardless of anything else, you are going to get a reply from someone in the best scenario translating and worst case making stuff up as they see fit. And even if the email had been in perfect Korean, if you contact a team (regardless of who you contact) regarding sponsorship, you're going to be forwarded to the person handling sponsorship. Who's email account was used is mindblowingly irrelevant to what happened. The only reason people keep bringing this up is because now it's not clear for us who sent what. Like we're somehow entitled to a play-by-play of the drama. Me, I'm lazy, I'd rather just forward the email to someone, but it has happened many times that people contact me regarding players, teams or sponsors that I don't deal with personally. Am I responsible for what the person I forwarded these people to does or is it fair for me to assume they'll do what they're supposed to; ie. their job?
Jessica delegated work to someone she thought she could trust. She seemingly had good reason to believe this guy was trustworthy. And that's the only thing we can hold her accountable for, trusting Manager J. The same guy who got certain players to trust him over Jessica.
We can argue that the atmosphere in the team was uncomfortable, we can argue that Jessica is a bad team owner, but we have 0 factual support either way. Personally, between an eSF embargo and someone telling the players I'm stealing their sponsorships, I don't think I could've held together the team either if things did happen in the order they were presented.
On October 25 2012 18:26 Martijn wrote: Wait, wtf, I can't work through all 24 pages of this. How did we get from "Manager J seems to have lied about sponsorship offerings to the SlayerS team" to "This is all Jessicas fault because she trusted Manager J to translate things accurately"? I can't wrap my head around how we could've possibly ended up here.
Can we at least agree that not locking your car properly is stupid, but stealing said car is still the real crime? Semi-related analogies aside: Trusting the wrong people can be stupid (though it's some times extremely difficult to tell), but that's nothing in the grand scale of debauchery that Manager J allegedly was in to..
This was what I was thinking too. Most of the posts I see either bash or defend Jessica, why isn't anyone crucifying manager J?
Edit: okay, there ARE some people who are outraged over what manager J did, I still don't get it why people are blaming Jessica more than him though.
Easy ... Jessica is "the head of the fish" and a fish starts to smell at the head. She owns and manages the team and thus is ultimately responsible. Apparently she was "smart enough" to allow manager J to use her own email account, which is not good as a manager. This caused the Razer confusion for sponsorship and who declined it. She also did NOTHING after several people complained about the bad team spirit. She is also ultimately responsible for not getting new sponsors for the team.
So yeah, manager J probably did a few bad things, but Jessica did LOTS more ... mostly due to neglect. Since she doesnt acknowledge these responsibilities and the blame attached to them and instead tries to put all of the blame on the players, she ends up as the real villain of the story who portraits herself as the victim.
Its all about CAUSE and EFFECT. Manager J, MMA and all the others blamed by her are only the effect of an incompetent head management by her.
You obviously lack experience in the field... You're opinion is relatively correct, in that in the end, everything boiled down to the fact that the team owner/manager could not maintain the trust of the players. However, to say that that is entirely her fault, when it was the players who ignorantly decided to not trust her (without talking to her first, without trying to fully understand the situation, without any real reason to not trust her). Any team manager who's players one day stop trusting her and don't even tell her about it will be caught by surprise, and to save the team at that point is near impossible. Especially when the players at fault refuse to trust her after solid evidence is shown, and are the core of the team (MMA, Alicia, Ryung, CranK, 4 of the most popular players on SlayerS worldwide).
I am not saying that the players and manager J did everything perfect and dont deserve any blame, but Jessicas share is so MUCH bigger and yet she tries to blame only the players, which demonstrates bad personality, so she totally deserves to be trashed much more than the players. In the end - if the players had kept on trusting her - it wouldnt have mattered, because she is just terrible at managing a team and the end would have come a little later. It is easier and better to "let go" of something good than to artificially keep it alive.
Btw. ... no one needs "experience in the field" here, just some good common sense and no fanboyism/worship of one or the other side.
I'm sorry, but implying Manager J didn't do everything perfect has got to be the biggest understatement of the day. Furthermore Jessica called out eSF and she called out Manager J, she didn't blame "only" the players, that's just nonsense.
Ok, so tell me people, who find no fault of Jessica. Were players supposed to remain on team, due to bad enviroment, no sponsors, no teamspirit, and distrust? Of course, you say they should leave 'properly' right? Well, does it even matter HOW they leave? team was fucked no matter what.
On October 25 2012 20:18 NightOfTheDead wrote: Ok, so tell me people, who find no fault of Jessica. Were players supposed to remain on team, due to bad enviroment, no sponsors, no teamspirit, and distrust? Of course, you say they should leave 'properly' right? Well, does it even matter HOW they leave? team was fucked no matter what.
First off, obviously Jessica did things wrong in hindsight. Hell, if she'd never let Manager J become a manager in the first place, we'd have a lot less to talk about. Second, it's hard to imagine the eSF embargo not leading to a bad environment or worsening the climate within the team.
With someone credible instead of Manager J on the team, they might have had proper sponsors, they wouldn't have had a reason for distrust. And without the eSF embargo, there might not have been a bad environment or lack of teamspirit.
For all I know Jessica is a really shitty team manager. But fact is, in the conditions she was in, most of us would've failed. We can't all be Scoots.
On October 25 2012 20:18 NightOfTheDead wrote: Ok, so tell me people, who find no fault of Jessica. Were players supposed to remain on team, due to bad enviroment, no sponsors, no teamspirit, and distrust? Of course, you say they should leave 'properly' right? Well, does it even matter HOW they leave? team was fucked no matter what.
First off, obviously Jessica did things wrong in hindsight. Hell, if she'd never let Manager J become a manager in the first place, we'd have a lot less to talk about. Second, it's hard to imagine the eSF embargo not leading to a bad environment or worsening the climate within the team.
With someone credible instead of Manager J on the team, they might have had proper sponsors, they wouldn't have had a reason for distrust. And without the eSF embargo, there might not have been a bad environment or lack of teamspirit.
For all I know Jessica is a really shitty team manager. But fact is, in the conditions she was in, most of us would've failed. We can't all be Scoots.
Don't try to reason with haters mate. You won't accomplish anything except maybe Totalbiscuit raging at you. I don't even bother arguing with obvious haters anymore, it's just wasted time.
On October 25 2012 20:18 NightOfTheDead wrote: Ok, so tell me people, who find no fault of Jessica. Were players supposed to remain on team, due to bad enviroment, no sponsors, no teamspirit, and distrust? Of course, you say they should leave 'properly' right? Well, does it even matter HOW they leave? team was fucked no matter what.
First off, obviously Jessica did things wrong in hindsight. Hell, if she'd never let Manager J become a manager in the first place, we'd have a lot less to talk about. Second, it's hard to imagine the eSF embargo not leading to a bad environment or worsening the climate within the team.
With someone credible instead of Manager J on the team, they might have had proper sponsors, they wouldn't have had a reason for distrust. And without the eSF embargo, there might not have been a bad environment or lack of teamspirit.
For all I know Jessica is a really shitty team manager. But fact is, in the conditions she was in, most of us would've failed. We can't all be Scoots.
Failing is acceptable.
Failing and blaming those whom you've failed, potentially ruining their career, is not.
On October 25 2012 20:18 NightOfTheDead wrote: Ok, so tell me people, who find no fault of Jessica. Were players supposed to remain on team, due to bad enviroment, no sponsors, no teamspirit, and distrust? Of course, you say they should leave 'properly' right? Well, does it even matter HOW they leave? team was fucked no matter what.
First off, obviously Jessica did things wrong in hindsight. Hell, if she'd never let Manager J become a manager in the first place, we'd have a lot less to talk about. Second, it's hard to imagine the eSF embargo not leading to a bad environment or worsening the climate within the team.
With someone credible instead of Manager J on the team, they might have had proper sponsors, they wouldn't have had a reason for distrust. And without the eSF embargo, there might not have been a bad environment or lack of teamspirit.
For all I know Jessica is a really shitty team manager. But fact is, in the conditions she was in, most of us would've failed. We can't all be Scoots.
Failing is acceptable.
Failing and blaming those whom you've failed, potentially ruining their career, is not.
Afaik she blames herself for the seemingly biggest problem in the team, Manager J. Correct me if im wrong. Edit: also, i certainly have not enough insight do decide wether she/slayers would have failed if they had no training-ban or sponsors. Do you?
On October 25 2012 20:18 NightOfTheDead wrote: Ok, so tell me people, who find no fault of Jessica. Were players supposed to remain on team, due to bad enviroment, no sponsors, no teamspirit, and distrust? Of course, you say they should leave 'properly' right? Well, does it even matter HOW they leave? team was fucked no matter what.
First off, obviously Jessica did things wrong in hindsight. Hell, if she'd never let Manager J become a manager in the first place, we'd have a lot less to talk about. Second, it's hard to imagine the eSF embargo not leading to a bad environment or worsening the climate within the team.
With someone credible instead of Manager J on the team, they might have had proper sponsors, they wouldn't have had a reason for distrust. And without the eSF embargo, there might not have been a bad environment or lack of teamspirit.
For all I know Jessica is a really shitty team manager. But fact is, in the conditions she was in, most of us would've failed. We can't all be Scoots.
Don't try to reason with haters mate. You won't accomplish anything except maybe Totalbiscuit raging at you. I don't even bother arguing with obvious haters anymore, it's just wasted time.
On October 25 2012 20:18 NightOfTheDead wrote: Ok, so tell me people, who find no fault of Jessica. Were players supposed to remain on team, due to bad enviroment, no sponsors, no teamspirit, and distrust? Of course, you say they should leave 'properly' right? Well, does it even matter HOW they leave? team was fucked no matter what.
First off, obviously Jessica did things wrong in hindsight. Hell, if she'd never let Manager J become a manager in the first place, we'd have a lot less to talk about. Second, it's hard to imagine the eSF embargo not leading to a bad environment or worsening the climate within the team.
With someone credible instead of Manager J on the team, they might have had proper sponsors, they wouldn't have had a reason for distrust. And without the eSF embargo, there might not have been a bad environment or lack of teamspirit.
For all I know Jessica is a really shitty team manager. But fact is, in the conditions she was in, most of us would've failed. We can't all be Scoots.
Failing is acceptable.
Failing and blaming those whom you've failed, potentially ruining their career, is not.
Ya know, Jessica is the one bearing the blunt of negativity and prejudice from this from the start, and if she didn't have another career and can't settle this dispute her career would have been the first one ruined. The failures of these other people are already being piled on Jessica because she's the manager.
On October 25 2012 20:18 NightOfTheDead wrote: Ok, so tell me people, who find no fault of Jessica. Were players supposed to remain on team, due to bad enviroment, no sponsors, no teamspirit, and distrust? Of course, you say they should leave 'properly' right? Well, does it even matter HOW they leave? team was fucked no matter what.
First off, obviously Jessica did things wrong in hindsight. Hell, if she'd never let Manager J become a manager in the first place, we'd have a lot less to talk about. Second, it's hard to imagine the eSF embargo not leading to a bad environment or worsening the climate within the team.
With someone credible instead of Manager J on the team, they might have had proper sponsors, they wouldn't have had a reason for distrust. And without the eSF embargo, there might not have been a bad environment or lack of teamspirit.
For all I know Jessica is a really shitty team manager. But fact is, in the conditions she was in, most of us would've failed. We can't all be Scoots.
Don't try to reason with haters mate. You won't accomplish anything except maybe Totalbiscuit raging at you. I don't even bother arguing with obvious haters anymore, it's just wasted time.
Eh, meh, TB and I get into a shouting match every few months and then make up the day after.
On October 25 2012 20:18 NightOfTheDead wrote: Ok, so tell me people, who find no fault of Jessica. Were players supposed to remain on team, due to bad enviroment, no sponsors, no teamspirit, and distrust? Of course, you say they should leave 'properly' right? Well, does it even matter HOW they leave? team was fucked no matter what.
First off, obviously Jessica did things wrong in hindsight. Hell, if she'd never let Manager J become a manager in the first place, we'd have a lot less to talk about. Second, it's hard to imagine the eSF embargo not leading to a bad environment or worsening the climate within the team.
With someone credible instead of Manager J on the team, they might have had proper sponsors, they wouldn't have had a reason for distrust. And without the eSF embargo, there might not have been a bad environment or lack of teamspirit.
For all I know Jessica is a really shitty team manager. But fact is, in the conditions she was in, most of us would've failed. We can't all be Scoots.
Failing is acceptable.
Failing and blaming those whom you've failed, potentially ruining their career, is not.
I don't think she should've made much of this public to begin with and you should always work your ass off to protect your players from backlash. That's your job as a manager and them leaving your team doesn't change that, for that period, you are supposed to shield them. (Obviously this doesn't mean you should sweep things under the rug either)
But you don't feel the players should've just confronted her when they were being lied to by Manager J? Surely in hindsight they could've handled this better too. As messed up as it was for Jessica to point it out, as much as she didn't express it properly and as much as I believe she should've ever made it public, there was at least a grain of reasoning in it.
On October 25 2012 20:18 NightOfTheDead wrote: Ok, so tell me people, who find no fault of Jessica. Were players supposed to remain on team, due to bad enviroment, no sponsors, no teamspirit, and distrust? Of course, you say they should leave 'properly' right? Well, does it even matter HOW they leave? team was fucked no matter what.
First off, obviously Jessica did things wrong in hindsight. Hell, if she'd never let Manager J become a manager in the first place, we'd have a lot less to talk about. Second, it's hard to imagine the eSF embargo not leading to a bad environment or worsening the climate within the team.
With someone credible instead of Manager J on the team, they might have had proper sponsors, they wouldn't have had a reason for distrust. And without the eSF embargo, there might not have been a bad environment or lack of teamspirit.
For all I know Jessica is a really shitty team manager. But fact is, in the conditions she was in, most of us would've failed. We can't all be Scoots.
Don't try to reason with haters mate. You won't accomplish anything except maybe Totalbiscuit raging at you. I don't even bother arguing with obvious haters anymore, it's just wasted time.
What hateful remark did i make? O_o
Do i need to quote your recent comments on Jessica, about backstabbing the players, stuff like that? The least of people (except some asian people) "do see no fault in Jessica". Yet, its getting more and more clear that she may be a crappy manager - and still she may not be the reason for slayers downfall. In fact, Jessica has as much blame to take as the players for the downfall of slayers (and btw, she blames them not for destroying slayers, but their dishonesty etc) - there are way more pressing problems at hand. Namely a scammer which Jessica warned IPL about, and a "corrupted" (for the lack of better words) ESF.
Edit: btw, these two problems alone could destroy any korean Pro-Team anytime. Even without Jessica as manager, as long as the players behave like the slayers-players did (not confronting her, trusting the wrong guy over the management, going behind her back).
On October 25 2012 20:18 NightOfTheDead wrote: Ok, so tell me people, who find no fault of Jessica. Were players supposed to remain on team, due to bad enviroment, no sponsors, no teamspirit, and distrust? Of course, you say they should leave 'properly' right? Well, does it even matter HOW they leave? team was fucked no matter what.
First off, obviously Jessica did things wrong in hindsight. Hell, if she'd never let Manager J become a manager in the first place, we'd have a lot less to talk about. Second, it's hard to imagine the eSF embargo not leading to a bad environment or worsening the climate within the team.
With someone credible instead of Manager J on the team, they might have had proper sponsors, they wouldn't have had a reason for distrust. And without the eSF embargo, there might not have been a bad environment or lack of teamspirit.
For all I know Jessica is a really shitty team manager. But fact is, in the conditions she was in, most of us would've failed. We can't all be Scoots.
Don't try to reason with haters mate. You won't accomplish anything except maybe Totalbiscuit raging at you. I don't even bother arguing with obvious haters anymore, it's just wasted time.
What hateful remark did i make? O_o
Not a hateful remark per se, it's just that you show obvious hate towards Jessica.
Of course, you say they should leave 'properly' right? Well, does it even matter HOW they leave? team was fucked no matter what.
But you don't feel the players should've just confronted her when they were being lied to by Manager J? Surely in hindsight they could've handled this better too. As messed up as it was for Jessica to point it out, as much as she didn't express it properly and as much as I believe she should've ever made it public, there was at least a grain of reasoning in it.
That's always been the part that's got me in this entire thing - I think everyone involved appeared to have handled some aspect of the situation badly - there's noone who is blameless.
But the idea that she wasn't asked about the lies of Mister J and what was happening with the sponsorship... The players have got noone to blame but themselves there. If they thought something was happening with that, they should have raised it with Jessica - and a lot might have come out in the open far earlier (and far less drama as a result). Jessica shouldn't be held accountable for the incorrect beliefs of others if they make no real effort to seek out the truth.
But you don't feel the players should've just confronted her when they were being lied to by Manager J? Surely in hindsight they could've handled this better too. As messed up as it was for Jessica to point it out, as much as she didn't express it properly and as much as I believe she should've ever made it public, there was at least a grain of reasoning in it.
That's always been the part that's got me in this entire thing - I think everyone involved appeared to have handled some aspect of the situation badly - there's noone who is blameless.
But the idea that she wasn't asked about the lies of Mister J and what was happening with the sponsorship... The players have got noone to blame but themselves there. If they thought something was happening with that, they should have raised it with Jessica - and a lot might have come out in the open far earlier (and far less drama as a result). Jessica shouldn't be held accountable for the incorrect beliefs of others if they make no real effort to seek out the truth.
Ehh, well said. I've been trying to explain that since ages now but never so coherently as that.
But you don't feel the players should've just confronted her when they were being lied to by Manager J? Surely in hindsight they could've handled this better too. As messed up as it was for Jessica to point it out, as much as she didn't express it properly and as much as I believe she should've ever made it public, there was at least a grain of reasoning in it.
That's always been the part that's got me in this entire thing - I think everyone involved appeared to have handled some aspect of the situation badly - there's noone who is blameless.
But the idea that she wasn't asked about the lies of Mister J and what was happening with the sponsorship... The players have got noone to blame but themselves there. If they thought something was happening with that, they should have raised it with Jessica - and a lot might have come out in the open far earlier (and far less drama as a result). Jessica shouldn't be held accountable for the incorrect beliefs of others if they make no real effort to seek out the truth.
It's a result of the players being young and inexperienced in dealing with issues like this. I think those of us that "have been around" know that if you are told someone is screwing you, it's almost always best to bring it up with those people even if you make clear it's just rumors. Either you are indeed getting screwed by those people or someone telling you that is trying to screw with you now. The whole "I won't tell them and instead try to go on behind their backs" has little place outside of sitcoms and even there it rarely ends well, heh.
On October 25 2012 18:26 Martijn wrote: Wait, wtf, I can't work through all 24 pages of this. How did we get from "Manager J seems to have lied about sponsorship offerings to the SlayerS team" to "This is all Jessicas fault because she trusted Manager J to translate things accurately"? I can't wrap my head around how we could've possibly ended up here.
Can we at least agree that not locking your car properly is stupid, but stealing said car is still the real crime? Semi-related analogies aside: Trusting the wrong people can be stupid (though it's some times extremely difficult to tell), but that's nothing in the grand scale of debauchery that Manager J allegedly was in to..
This was what I was thinking too. Most of the posts I see either bash or defend Jessica, why isn't anyone crucifying manager J?
Edit: okay, there ARE some people who are outraged over what manager J did, I still don't get it why people are blaming Jessica more than him though.
Easy ... Jessica is "the head of the fish" and a fish starts to smell at the head. She owns and manages the team and thus is ultimately responsible. Apparently she was "smart enough" to allow manager J to use her own email account, which is not good as a manager. This caused the Razer confusion for sponsorship and who declined it. She also did NOTHING after several people complained about the bad team spirit. She is also ultimately responsible for not getting new sponsors for the team.
So yeah, manager J probably did a few bad things, but Jessica did LOTS more ... mostly due to neglect. Since she doesnt acknowledge these responsibilities and the blame attached to them and instead tries to put all of the blame on the players, she ends up as the real villain of the story who portraits herself as the victim.
Its all about CAUSE and EFFECT. Manager J, MMA and all the others blamed by her are only the effect of an incompetent head management by her.
You obviously lack experience in the field... You're opinion is relatively correct, in that in the end, everything boiled down to the fact that the team owner/manager could not maintain the trust of the players. However, to say that that is entirely her fault, when it was the players who ignorantly decided to not trust her (without talking to her first, without trying to fully understand the situation, without any real reason to not trust her). Any team manager who's players one day stop trusting her and don't even tell her about it will be caught by surprise, and to save the team at that point is near impossible. Especially when the players at fault refuse to trust her after solid evidence is shown, and are the core of the team (MMA, Alicia, Ryung, CranK, 4 of the most popular players on SlayerS worldwide).
I am not saying that the players and manager J did everything perfect and dont deserve any blame, but Jessicas share is so MUCH bigger and yet she tries to blame only the players, which demonstrates bad personality, so she totally deserves to be trashed much more than the players. In the end - if the players had kept on trusting her - it wouldnt have mattered, because she is just terrible at managing a team and the end would have come a little later. It is easier and better to "let go" of something good than to artificially keep it alive.
Btw. ... no one needs "experience in the field" here, just some good common sense and no fanboyism/worship of one or the other side.
lol, logic says you're completely wrong. The atmosphere was ruined and Jessica didn't do much wrong. Especially with more solid evidence against Manager J. It should have never gotten to the point of being "artificially alive" if people like MMA hadn't been so incredibly immature and stupid. He has a big lesson to learn, and BoxeR takes the biggest hit in his career just because of MMA's ignorant actions. You do need experience in the field, because your "common sense" is actually bias and you don't even realize it. Let's just agree to completely disagree.
On October 25 2012 18:26 Martijn wrote: Wait, wtf, I can't work through all 24 pages of this. How did we get from "Manager J seems to have lied about sponsorship offerings to the SlayerS team" to "This is all Jessicas fault because she trusted Manager J to translate things accurately"? I can't wrap my head around how we could've possibly ended up here.
Can we at least agree that not locking your car properly is stupid, but stealing said car is still the real crime? Semi-related analogies aside: Trusting the wrong people can be stupid (though it's some times extremely difficult to tell), but that's nothing in the grand scale of debauchery that Manager J allegedly was in to..
This was what I was thinking too. Most of the posts I see either bash or defend Jessica, why isn't anyone crucifying manager J?
Edit: okay, there ARE some people who are outraged over what manager J did, I still don't get it why people are blaming Jessica more than him though.
She went on a rampage on everyone. If she only blamed J and eSF, we would all blame J and eSF.
Ok, who else is included in this "everyone"? As far as I can tell, she was right about the eSF nonsense and that's why the guy stepped down. From what I read here, for now she seems to be right about Manager J lying to her and players trying to pit them against her.
With "everyone" are we talking the players that believed Manager Js word over hers? I'd like to first establish what you mean.
I mean her player as well. It does not matter whether she's correct or incorrect. There's no question that she lashed out at everyone, and when you do that, even if you are correct, people look at you very negatively.
Ok, but if we're blaming Jessica for being deceived by Manager J, how can we not blame the players that were deceived by Manager J? Logically, you can either fault both Jessica and the players or not fault either of them. I'm pretty sure we're metagaming this discussion at this point.
It's quite simple. The players trusted some manager that wasn't there for very long over Jessica. Jessica found out, kicked the dude out, apologized to the team, twice, and they still didn't fuckin believe her for whatever reason.
On October 25 2012 18:26 Martijn wrote: Wait, wtf, I can't work through all 24 pages of this. How did we get from "Manager J seems to have lied about sponsorship offerings to the SlayerS team" to "This is all Jessicas fault because she trusted Manager J to translate things accurately"? I can't wrap my head around how we could've possibly ended up here.
Can we at least agree that not locking your car properly is stupid, but stealing said car is still the real crime? Semi-related analogies aside: Trusting the wrong people can be stupid (though it's some times extremely difficult to tell), but that's nothing in the grand scale of debauchery that Manager J allegedly was in to..
This was what I was thinking too. Most of the posts I see either bash or defend Jessica, why isn't anyone crucifying manager J?
Edit: okay, there ARE some people who are outraged over what manager J did, I still don't get it why people are blaming Jessica more than him though.
She went on a rampage on everyone. If she only blamed J and eSF, we would all blame J and eSF.
Ok, who else is included in this "everyone"? As far as I can tell, she was right about the eSF nonsense and that's why the guy stepped down. From what I read here, for now she seems to be right about Manager J lying to her and players trying to pit them against her.
With "everyone" are we talking the players that believed Manager Js word over hers? I'd like to first establish what you mean.
I mean her player as well. It does not matter whether she's correct or incorrect. There's no question that she lashed out at everyone, and when you do that, even if you are correct, people look at you very negatively.
Ok, but if we're blaming Jessica for being deceived by Manager J, how can we not blame the players that were deceived by Manager J? Logically, you can either fault both Jessica and the players or not fault either of them. I'm pretty sure we're metagaming this discussion at this point.
It's quite simple. The players trusted some manager that wasn't there for very long over Jessica. Jessica found out, kicked the dude out, apologized to the team, twice, and they still didn't fuckin believe her for whatever reason.
On October 25 2012 18:26 Martijn wrote: Wait, wtf, I can't work through all 24 pages of this. How did we get from "Manager J seems to have lied about sponsorship offerings to the SlayerS team" to "This is all Jessicas fault because she trusted Manager J to translate things accurately"? I can't wrap my head around how we could've possibly ended up here.
Can we at least agree that not locking your car properly is stupid, but stealing said car is still the real crime? Semi-related analogies aside: Trusting the wrong people can be stupid (though it's some times extremely difficult to tell), but that's nothing in the grand scale of debauchery that Manager J allegedly was in to..
This was what I was thinking too. Most of the posts I see either bash or defend Jessica, why isn't anyone crucifying manager J?
Edit: okay, there ARE some people who are outraged over what manager J did, I still don't get it why people are blaming Jessica more than him though.
Easy ... Jessica is "the head of the fish" and a fish starts to smell at the head. She owns and manages the team and thus is ultimately responsible. Apparently she was "smart enough" to allow manager J to use her own email account, which is not good as a manager. This caused the Razer confusion for sponsorship and who declined it. She also did NOTHING after several people complained about the bad team spirit. She is also ultimately responsible for not getting new sponsors for the team.
So yeah, manager J probably did a few bad things, but Jessica did LOTS more ... mostly due to neglect. Since she doesnt acknowledge these responsibilities and the blame attached to them and instead tries to put all of the blame on the players, she ends up as the real villain of the story who portraits herself as the victim.
Its all about CAUSE and EFFECT. Manager J, MMA and all the others blamed by her are only the effect of an incompetent head management by her.
You obviously lack experience in the field... You're opinion is relatively correct, in that in the end, everything boiled down to the fact that the team owner/manager could not maintain the trust of the players. However, to say that that is entirely her fault, when it was the players who ignorantly decided to not trust her (without talking to her first, without trying to fully understand the situation, without any real reason to not trust her). Any team manager who's players one day stop trusting her and don't even tell her about it will be caught by surprise, and to save the team at that point is near impossible. Especially when the players at fault refuse to trust her after solid evidence is shown, and are the core of the team (MMA, Alicia, Ryung, CranK, 4 of the most popular players on SlayerS worldwide).
I am not saying that the players and manager J did everything perfect and dont deserve any blame, but Jessicas share is so MUCH bigger and yet she tries to blame only the players, which demonstrates bad personality, so she totally deserves to be trashed much more than the players. In the end - if the players had kept on trusting her - it wouldnt have mattered, because she is just terrible at managing a team and the end would have come a little later. It is easier and better to "let go" of something good than to artificially keep it alive.
Btw. ... no one needs "experience in the field" here, just some good common sense and no fanboyism/worship of one or the other side.
lol, logic says you're completely wrong. The atmosphere was ruined and Jessica didn't do much wrong. Especially with more solid evidence against Manager J. It should have never gotten to the point of being "artificially alive" if people like MMA hadn't been so incredibly immature and stupid. He has a big lesson to learn, and BoxeR takes the biggest hit in his career just because of MMA's ignorant actions. You do need experience in the field, because your "common sense" is actually bias and you don't even realize it. Let's just agree to completely disagree.
How Manager J went from sponsor contact to manager and how even as a sponsor contact he hung out with players a lot simply leads to very confusing relationships. I'm assuming a few players saw him as a friend first seeming they didn't deal with sponsors themselves, then he became a manager which put them even closer. Another person in Manager Js position could've been a huge asset to the team. Instead players who were inexperienced in how to deal with these things got taken advantage of. Yeah, they should've handled it differently, but the whole situation they were put in by Manager J shoud've never come to be.
On October 25 2012 20:18 NightOfTheDead wrote: Ok, so tell me people, who find no fault of Jessica. Were players supposed to remain on team, due to bad enviroment, no sponsors, no teamspirit, and distrust? Of course, you say they should leave 'properly' right? Well, does it even matter HOW they leave? team was fucked no matter what.
First off, obviously Jessica did things wrong in hindsight. Hell, if she'd never let Manager J become a manager in the first place, we'd have a lot less to talk about. Second, it's hard to imagine the eSF embargo not leading to a bad environment or worsening the climate within the team.
With someone credible instead of Manager J on the team, they might have had proper sponsors, they wouldn't have had a reason for distrust. And without the eSF embargo, there might not have been a bad environment or lack of teamspirit.
For all I know Jessica is a really shitty team manager. But fact is, in the conditions she was in, most of us would've failed. We can't all be Scoots.
Failing is acceptable.
Failing and blaming those whom you've failed, potentially ruining their career, is not.
...and boom goes the dynamite, your last sentence hits the nail on the head.
People keep asking why Jessica didn't sue Manager J. If I remember correctly, this happened shortly after her second run in with the public. People were giving her so much shit for wanting to sue the dude that blogged some not so nice things about her and Eve. I can't remember what the second one was but her players didn't really like her having twitter wars with other people. She thought about suing Manager J but considering what happened the last time she went public, she simple requested an apology from Manager J and for him to hand over the Slayer's twitter and facebook account. I don't think Manager J did any of those.
On October 25 2012 20:18 NightOfTheDead wrote: Ok, so tell me people, who find no fault of Jessica. Were players supposed to remain on team, due to bad enviroment, no sponsors, no teamspirit, and distrust? Of course, you say they should leave 'properly' right? Well, does it even matter HOW they leave? team was fucked no matter what.
First off, obviously Jessica did things wrong in hindsight. Hell, if she'd never let Manager J become a manager in the first place, we'd have a lot less to talk about. Second, it's hard to imagine the eSF embargo not leading to a bad environment or worsening the climate within the team.
With someone credible instead of Manager J on the team, they might have had proper sponsors, they wouldn't have had a reason for distrust. And without the eSF embargo, there might not have been a bad environment or lack of teamspirit.
For all I know Jessica is a really shitty team manager. But fact is, in the conditions she was in, most of us would've failed. We can't all be Scoots.
Failing is acceptable.
Failing and blaming those whom you've failed, potentially ruining their career, is not.
...and boom goes the dynamite, your last sentence hits the nail on the head.
Jessica didn't ruin their careers, they ruined their careers themselves. the truths are out and they gotta be responsible for their words and actions
But you don't feel the players should've just confronted her when they were being lied to by Manager J? Surely in hindsight they could've handled this better too. As messed up as it was for Jessica to point it out, as much as she didn't express it properly and as much as I believe she should've ever made it public, there was at least a grain of reasoning in it.
That's always been the part that's got me in this entire thing - I think everyone involved appeared to have handled some aspect of the situation badly - there's noone who is blameless.
But the idea that she wasn't asked about the lies of Mister J and what was happening with the sponsorship... The players have got noone to blame but themselves there. If they thought something was happening with that, they should have raised it with Jessica - and a lot might have come out in the open far earlier (and far less drama as a result). Jessica shouldn't be held accountable for the incorrect beliefs of others if they make no real effort to seek out the truth.
Ehh, well said. I've been trying to explain that since ages now but never so coherently as that.
The issue with the bolded statements is that MMA DID TAKE UP THE ISSUE WITH MANAGEMENT! He went to Boxer instead of Jessica and that caused Jessica to get really annoyed because Boxer actually thought MMA had a point and brought it up with Jessica, who couldn't believe that Boxer would ever believe Boxer could believe something MMA said over her silence on an issue. It's all there for you to read. To say that MMA blindly believed manager J is I think a little naive. I mean, apparently manager J had e-mail proof from Jessica's e-mail that she turned down a sponsorship for him, (that he apparently wrote himself, but which coming from her e-mail would be very convincing), whereas when MMA went to Boxer about it and he went to Jessica they said they knew nothing about something on her own e-mail.
But you don't feel the players should've just confronted her when they were being lied to by Manager J? Surely in hindsight they could've handled this better too. As messed up as it was for Jessica to point it out, as much as she didn't express it properly and as much as I believe she should've ever made it public, there was at least a grain of reasoning in it.
That's always been the part that's got me in this entire thing - I think everyone involved appeared to have handled some aspect of the situation badly - there's noone who is blameless.
But the idea that she wasn't asked about the lies of Mister J and what was happening with the sponsorship... The players have got noone to blame but themselves there. If they thought something was happening with that, they should have raised it with Jessica - and a lot might have come out in the open far earlier (and far less drama as a result). Jessica shouldn't be held accountable for the incorrect beliefs of others if they make no real effort to seek out the truth.
Ehh, well said. I've been trying to explain that since ages now but never so coherently as that.
The issue with the bolded statements is that MMA DID TAKE UP THE ISSUE WITH MANAGEMENT! He went to Boxer instead of Jessica and that caused Jessica to get really annoyed because Boxer actually thought MMA had a point and brought it up with Jessica, who couldn't believe that Boxer would ever believe Boxer could believe something MMA said over her silence on an issue. It's all there for you to read. To say that MMA blindly believed manager J is I think a little naive. I mean, apparently manager J had e-mail proof from Jessica's e-mail that she turned down a sponsorship for him, (that he apparently wrote himself, but which coming from her e-mail would be very convincing), whereas when MMA went to Boxer about it and he went to Jessica they said they knew nothing about something on her own e-mail.
True, MMA did bring it up with Boxer and subsequently Jessica. The other players didn't.
But there was something troubling in MMA's interview. He basically said that even after talking with Boxer and Jessica, he *still didn't trust* her. I guess it's one of those situations where a lie is so powerful that the emotion lingers even if the facts have been revealed. But still, speaks to a terrible atmosphere in the team house.
Then of course they're claiming he stiffed his own coach from MLG.... so you could just say whenever money's involved, even the hint of misappropriation will destroy whatever relationships are in place.
But you don't feel the players should've just confronted her when they were being lied to by Manager J? Surely in hindsight they could've handled this better too. As messed up as it was for Jessica to point it out, as much as she didn't express it properly and as much as I believe she should've ever made it public, there was at least a grain of reasoning in it.
That's always been the part that's got me in this entire thing - I think everyone involved appeared to have handled some aspect of the situation badly - there's noone who is blameless.
But the idea that she wasn't asked about the lies of Mister J and what was happening with the sponsorship... The players have got noone to blame but themselves there. If they thought something was happening with that, they should have raised it with Jessica - and a lot might have come out in the open far earlier (and far less drama as a result). Jessica shouldn't be held accountable for the incorrect beliefs of others if they make no real effort to seek out the truth.
Ehh, well said. I've been trying to explain that since ages now but never so coherently as that.
The issue with the bolded statements is that MMA DID TAKE UP THE ISSUE WITH MANAGEMENT! He went to Boxer instead of Jessica and that caused Jessica to get really annoyed because Boxer actually thought MMA had a point and brought it up with Jessica, who couldn't believe that Boxer would ever believe Boxer could believe something MMA said over her silence on an issue. It's all there for you to read. To say that MMA blindly believed manager J is I think a little naive. I mean, apparently manager J had e-mail proof from Jessica's e-mail that she turned down a sponsorship for him, (that he apparently wrote himself, but which coming from her e-mail would be very convincing), whereas when MMA went to Boxer about it and he went to Jessica they said they knew nothing about something on her own e-mail.
True, MMA did bring it up with Boxer and subsequently Jessica. The other players didn't.
But there was something troubling in MMA's interview. He basically said that even after talking with Boxer and Jessica, he *still didn't trust* her. I guess it's one of those situations where a lie is so powerful that the emotion lingers even if the facts have been revealed. But still, speaks to a terrible atmosphere in the team house.
Then of course they're claiming he stiffed his own coach from MLG.... so you could just say whenever money's involved, even the hint of misappropriation will destroy whatever relationships are in place.
Yeah, while it is true that a small portion of MMA's winnings were put into a fund that he thought would have a portion paid to Ryu, (supposedly the fund that a small portion of winnings held by the team was said to go towards coaching/soccer stuff/etc.), he should have made sure that money did go to him from that fund or give it to Ryu himself. That's my biggest issue with MMA in this whole ordeal. I really can't say I blame him for not completely trusting Jessica when it's hard to prove conclusively a lot of the things Manager J said were untrue and her personality isn't exactly the type that takes questioning well it seems. It's possible if not probable that Jessica was telling the truth about not knowing what was going on with Manager J, but it's really hard to do anything conclusively.
It's pretty dumb to discuss those tweets at all. So he says it was Manager J he was negotiating with that told him Jessica was who rejected the sponsorship? Ummm okay. If Manager J was involved in any of those negotiations, which is what appears to be so, then there's really no evidence that Jessica screwed MMA over.
Hmm, is the undisclosed team that wanted MMA but Jessica asked for a high transfer fee Evil Genius? Because it coincided with EG and SlayerS ending partners at that time too. If it's EG, I can understand why Jessica wanted to ask for big transfer fee.
Hmm, is the undisclosed team that wanted MMA but Jessica asked for a high transfer fee Evil Genius? Because it coincided with EG and SlayerS ending partners at that time too. If it's EG, I can understand why Jessica wanted to ask for big transfer fee.
It's not just EG. MMA is tried; tested; and proven. The guy needs a new setting and has enough under his plate to warrant a good contract. Likewise, Slayers didn't just want to give him away and you should play your cards close to your sleeve to make sure you get the best deal.
On November 11 2012 04:07 Jintoss wrote: So Jessica turned out to be a melodramatic liar, and a terrible manager. Still want to see her try to SUE RAZER. LAUNCH THE LAWYERS.
On November 11 2012 04:07 Jintoss wrote: So Jessica turned out to be a melodramatic liar, and a terrible manager. Still want to see her try to SUE RAZER. LAUNCH THE LAWYERS.
You really had to necro this thread for THAT post? Jesus, let it die.
I am in awe that no one has revealed Manager J's identity and that no one has spoken to this person to get answers. Its impossible to clarify what happened without this. Its absurd we've gotten this far without this information. How is this topic still alive?
On November 11 2012 08:14 Dr.Sin wrote: I am in awe that no one has revealed Manager J's identity and that no one has spoken to this person to get answers. Its impossible to clarify what happened without this. Its absurd we've gotten this far without this information. How is this topic still alive?
Manager J's identity is known, but it's just cooler to call him Manager J.
Woops. I was about to edit my post, this is the first time I see his ID revealed (Hui-Chul "Garfield" Jung) from the excellent summary link on page 27. I should've scoured the thread more thoroughly. Still what does this guy have to say about all this? So weird.
On November 11 2012 08:25 Dr.Sin wrote: Woops. I was about to edit my post, this is the first time I see his ID revealed (Hui-Chul "Garfield" Jung) from the excellent summary link on page 27. I should've scoured the thread more thoroughly. Still what does this guy have to say about all this? So weird.
many sources just say that he is shady, including IPL where he apparently gave them the wrong bankaccount number, probably his own, to get the price money
why did you revive this, was your contribution that important lol >.>
i read that slasher was going to try to interview manager J. if this happened or is still going to happen could someone please PM me many thanks
people need to remember that anything about manager J being "shady" , manager J "caused problems" is still just complete hearsay. iirc the players have not made any statement regarding his character
"many sources" have not said he's shady. JESSICA ALONE has said he caused confusion in the team and it was a mistake having him. a guy at a tourney also said he used the wrong account number one time.
the players have made no statement with regards to him. he has not spoken himself. it is basically JESSICA alone saying he "might" be shady, he "might" have had ill intentions. ONLY jessica says this, and she doesnt not even claim that it is true, she just says its a POSSIBILITY.
amazing how SO fucking many people have bought into this shit so blindly and so eagerly, without even realising it
On November 11 2012 09:27 FFGenerations wrote: why did you revive this, was your contribution that important lol >.>
i read that slasher was going to try to interview manager J. if this happened or is still going to happen could someone please PM me many thanks
people need to remember that anything about manager J being "shady" , manager J "caused problems" is still just complete hearsay. iirc the players have not made any statement regarding his character
That statement was made by IPL when he happened to give the wrong bank account number for the price money. I say that is called shady...
On November 11 2012 09:27 FFGenerations wrote: why did you revive this, was your contribution that important lol >.>
i read that slasher was going to try to interview manager J. if this happened or is still going to happen could someone please PM me many thanks
people need to remember that anything about manager J being "shady" , manager J "caused problems" is still just complete hearsay. iirc the players have not made any statement regarding his character
"many sources" have not said he's shady. JESSICA ALONE has said he caused confusion in the team and it was a mistake having him. a guy at a tourney also said he used the wrong account number one time.
the players have made no statement with regards to him. he has not spoken himself. it is basically JESSICA alone saying he "might" be shady, he "might" have had ill intentions. ONLY jessica says this, and she doesnt not even claim that it is true, she just says its a POSSIBILITY.
amazing how SO fucking many people have bought into this shit so blindly and so eagerly, without even realising it
alicia has also commented that manager j did do something very bad,he didn't say what tough
On November 11 2012 09:27 FFGenerations wrote: why did you revive this, was your contribution that important lol >.>
i read that slasher was going to try to interview manager J. if this happened or is still going to happen could someone please PM me many thanks
people need to remember that anything about manager J being "shady" , manager J "caused problems" is still just complete hearsay. iirc the players have not made any statement regarding his character
That statement was made by IPL when he happened to give the wrong bank account number for the price money. I say that is called shady...
(see my edited post above)
do you happen to have IPL's statement on hand? and also the timeline of that occurrence (where did it fit in to other events?)
iirc IPL's statement was not a statement but a comment. and was not evidence about anything, nor even compelling. so jessica sent him to pick up the prize money. he gave a different account number. IPL somehow knew it was a different account number. jessica somehow didnt ask him about it. everything went better than expected. manager j remained on the team. until he caused dissent by talking to MMA about a denied sponsorship (which actually did exist)
On November 11 2012 09:27 FFGenerations wrote: why did you revive this, was your contribution that important lol >.>
i read that slasher was going to try to interview manager J. if this happened or is still going to happen could someone please PM me many thanks
people need to remember that anything about manager J being "shady" , manager J "caused problems" is still just complete hearsay. iirc the players have not made any statement regarding his character
"many sources" have not said he's shady. JESSICA ALONE has said he caused confusion in the team and it was a mistake having him. a guy at a tourney also said he used the wrong account number one time.
the players have made no statement with regards to him. he has not spoken himself. it is basically JESSICA alone saying he "might" be shady, he "might" have had ill intentions. ONLY jessica says this, and she doesnt not even claim that it is true, she just says its a POSSIBILITY.
amazing how SO fucking many people have bought into this shit so blindly and so eagerly, without even realising it
alicia has also commented that manager j did do something very bad,he didn't say what tough
What I find amazing is how everybody wants Jessica to just shut the fuck up. She is, with boxer, the one who suffered the most out of this affairs, financially and I suppose emotionnally in a way, so I completly understand her "crusade" even if I have always been kinda bored by her habits of making a fuss out of everything.
But until now, there is no proof whatsoever that she lied nor that what she told was not the truth.
(not to mention all the practice from the federation to isolate Slayers and that was proven true).
Also this Chris Mitchell from Razer is such a joke. The guy said "stop with this drama" but feel the urge to revive it like a week after for no reasons at all...
EPT
I just feel like Boxer didn't have this drama when he did things by himself. Instead he was more worried what Booth space suit he would wear.![[image loading]](http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/8012/spacesuit.jpg)
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