Slayers to disband - Page 24
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Sableyeah
Netherlands2119 Posts
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endy
Switzerland8970 Posts
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1Dhalism
862 Posts
On October 17 2012 22:51 Ansinjunger wrote: Even if she's dramatic, Boxer should be able to say if she's lying, so why would she? Before the conspiracy theories begin, I don't think she exerts any mind control over BoxeR, or bf/gf dominance or w/e. It didn't stop him from rejoining SKT. going against your girlfriend? I don't think so. | ||
DreamOen
Spain1400 Posts
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Qikz
United Kingdom12021 Posts
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xXFireandIceXx
Canada4296 Posts
On October 17 2012 23:07 Sableyeah wrote: Wow read the whole article, so much controversies man :/ problems everywhere. No trust, dunno why because it always seemed like both Boxer and Jessica took care of their players properly, how can there be no trust within the team... Probably what broke their hearts is that they put Boxer's own money into this....and how the players didn't really appreciate it to the extent they would've wanted. If you think about it, this is quite similar to the model Boxer used at first with Orion (what SKT1 used to be). It was just everyone pooling together money and scraping a living just playing the game. | ||
ranjutan
United States636 Posts
On October 17 2012 23:01 Conti wrote: Huh. In the other parts, didn't Jessica basically say that MMA wanted to form a new team and steal Slayers' players or something? This makes it sound like MMA simply wanted to go wherever Crank wanted to go. Big difference. To be honest, I get a bad vibe about Jessica from the translations done her (thank you so much for the translation, by the way), but I can't quite put my finger on it why. Weird. No. She said that some former manager J offered to Slayers players to join a new team that he would form and get sponsored, and MMA agreed. This seems to be a separate incident, as manager J's team never materialized and he was probably out of the picture by this point (of MMA's demotion). Perhaps you're getting some of this bad vibe because you are not remembering correctly. | ||
Yoshi Kirishima
United States10290 Posts
a shame, but i guess a good time to disband to keep their legacy short and sweet... | ||
Mortal
2943 Posts
(IM-MMA is way too many goddamn M's) | ||
saroir
Germany244 Posts
Why does this happen? I guess i really have to cheer for TL now. With sea, TLO and ret they have some really nice guys on board. | ||
Jakkerr
Netherlands2549 Posts
The 2-3 strongest will probably survive but that's about it. | ||
xuanzue
Colombia1747 Posts
If players agree that money was losing, then anything was wrong, Slayers team began with $200.000, taked cuts of prizepools, but they didn't show so many expenses. If you see all the MLG, IEM participation were paid by the torunament organizers. | ||
Goldfish
2230 Posts
On October 17 2012 21:33 Medrea wrote: Expected this after Boxer left and the MMA thing went completely unexplained and like, 50 other hints that gave it away. MMA INCIDENT: Turns out MMA suspected Jessica of embezzling sponsorship money from the team. Many players agree this was the case. Someone is doing a translation. + Show Spoiler + On October 17 2012 22:03 frequency wrote: Okay, my friend translating (not finished the whole thing) Current Situation - MMA and Alicia have been demoted to B-team. - Because of recent events surrounding Alicia, he will also be released (have not been told yet) - Ryung is currently practicing at home. Yugioh originally also practiced at home and only practiced in the team house time to time. - Crank didn't leave but has been released. - Time was given to Puzzle, Coca and Min to think about their career and they have now switched to League of Legends - Wanted to give up entering GSTL as half the main players are gone and even many players who were still bound by a contract refused to play. But remaining players were eager to play so still entered. We knew it was near impossible to win but we entered to give players experiences that they wanted. And this bonded the remaining players. - Excluding the three players who wanted time off to consider their career, we entered the team with 4 B-team players and 4 A-team players. We excluded Alicia who avoided entering GSTL from the last season. The reason why Boxer joined SKT - We need to talk about how SlayerS started - Federation and SlayerS didn't get along from the start. We had Intel as the main sponsor and started off being the wealthiest team. That's when the federation wanted us to join but we weren't sure about what their goals and what they were after so told the federation that we will decide to join when we observe surrounding situations. That's when GanZi incident happened Ganzi incident - At the time, Ganzi was in team IM. Ganzi told Knight_Seal (SlayerS coach) that he was interested in joining Slayers. Both me (Jessica) and BoxeR had no idea. - IM told the federation and accused that SlayerS tried to steal one of their players and GanZi had been spreading bad rumours about IM. GanZi had 6 months ban from entering GSL so he was about to quit as a pro gamer - Because we were never stealing GanZi, we helped GanZi to get to the bottom of this to clear out misunderstandings - After talking to many other players including MVP and coaches/directors who were part of the federation, all evidences collected suggested that GanZi was innocent. IM coach (Mr Gang) couldn't argue about anything so only snuck out of the situation by saying 'This was my understanding, GanZi - if you wanted to move why didn't you tell me personally?' - SlayerS wes the second victim of this incident as the majority of people believed that we were stealing a player but nobody, including Mr Kang, apologized for anything. We lost our faith in the federation who does not seem to listen to both sides of the story and make a decision based on assumptions. - After this incident we dropped our thoughts of joining in. There were no appealing reasons for us to join. But another event hit the federation - TSL coach Mr Lee NASL incident - NASL season 1 had started and many players including BoxeR were preparing to depart the country. Then Mr Won (Startale coach) contacted us that 'NASL is not paying flights for Korean players only, we should not participate in NASL with this sort of discrimination.' he hoped that SlayerS boycotts the tournament. However we were already ready for everything including flights and hotel accomodation as our sponsor paid to play. - He claimed that all other teams will be boycotting but they all ended up participating anyway and Puma won the whole tournament. - As NASL season 2 began, Mr Won once again asked us to boycott and we wanted to boycott this time. So we told Mr Won that if this boycott will help to reach a beneficial agreement between NASL and the federation, we will surely join boycotting. - Mr Won promised us that both GomTV and the federation will claim their rights. However we heard nothing about this incident after. We asked Mr Won if there had been conversations between two parties, such as e-mails, but Mr Won said there wasn't anything like that/ - We understood NASL's position about needing deposits as many players who already disqualfied for the main stage avoid or ditch remaining matches. NASL season 3 started and because there were no attempts communicate from the federation and NASL. We entered season 3. - Total 8 players made through the qualifiers, and that's when Mr Choi (MVP coach) contacted us. He expressed his regrets about us playing in NASL and mentioned that FXO entered for the qualifiers but dropped the thoughts immediately. He asked me to drop the 8 players from participating. I explained to Mr Choi that I only agreed to boycott season 2 as Mr Won promised me to show results or at least attempts to communicate to reach an agreement with NASL but have heard nothing from him. I explained the whole surrounding situations and asked him to tell other team coaches of the federation who do not know the situation but weirdly enough nothing was communicated between them. - Even Mr Won who could have told other teams about how we thought, and when I asked him why he didn't communicate that to the federation. He claimed that he doesn't remember the conversation clearly that he didn't want to communicate something uncertain. I thought the federation was an absurd group. - We have heard from other players from different teams, that they were told not to practise with SlayerS players and not even chat on ladder. Players who were good friends with each other had to use a different account to secretly help our players to practise. When I heard about this, I asked Mr Won and argued however he said confidently "it's petty but this is how far we will go to put restrictions on SlayerS' - When I answered, that is ridiculous as we had not done anything wrong and this is destroying players personal friendship. And Mr Won simply replied 'this happens because you refused to join the federation and go on separate ways'. I made several claims to the federation but nobody answered me and players couldn't find practise partners. - As I couldn't take this any longer, I phoned Mr Won and told "I don't want our players to have unfair disadvantages because of their team. I will disband the team so take our players to your team. However we will formally request you (the federation) to be liable for damages you caused to the team and our sponsors." And that is when we have finally gotten an e-mail saying that they will lift up the restriction. (Have shown it to the reporter who wrote this) More coming, will post when he tells me! Someone elses translation. Highlights include: Jessica accused of stealing from the team. Players agree. Manager J agrees. Jessica claims J intentionally did not negotiate with sponsors (his job), and that she has been running the team with her own money. THIS is the big problem. Everything else is candy. This should be in the first post (even though it's on the first page, I can see some people missing it or skipping it to reply). | ||
blacksheepwall
China1530 Posts
I don't blame Boxer for leaving, especially if he'd been running the team with his own money. It must be devastating for all this stuff to happen. At least they left us with some great memories. | ||
frequency
Australia1901 Posts
- Recently, Crank rang me and screamed 'why are you relating me with Ganzi, Alicia and MMA's problem? do you want to ruin my progamer life?' I lost my words. I knew he wasn't happy with me and the team. But I asked 'Do you know where you are yelling at? I have looked after you and cared for you as the team owner and the manager for years'.. but he yelled back saying 'who do you think you are? where are you yelling at?'. Boxer who was right next to me got the phone off me after listening to him, but then he also yelled at BoxeR saying 'what were you doing during all this?' and then claimed that he will only play SC2 for this year and he just wanted to enjoy the game and that's why he left the team. I have this on recording and I will see what he does in the future. (T/N : I am sure that Crank can get into a trouble if he enters into another team as he lied to get out of the contract) - BoxeR spent all his time and more than one hundred million(won) to grow the team and when players are mocking me and him, he was very shocked. Although we were in the GSTL finals, the atmosphere was the worst. I had to make a decision on Crank and MMA, who were affecting the team atmosphere, so I sent MMA back home and removed crank. I wanted to notify MMA but he never came back to the team house over weekends and never helped anyone for GSTL. Because we couldn't tell MMA, BoxeR and I told Ganzi about this. Ganzi used to joke around with me but during the time he couldn't even make an eye contact with me. I asked him what the problem was as I have explained to him about everything as MMA problems progressed. - BoxeR told GanZi painfully that MMA is a cancer to this team at the moment and he wanted to GanZi to make the right decision. GanZi was very lost and he also told us that he will try to concentrate practising at home. - MMA came back the next day, he probably have heard his expulsion from A-team from Ganzi. He had already packed all his belongings. BoxeR called MMA and started to talk but MMA cut him off and said there are nothing to talk about. BoxeR told him MMA had been moved to B-Team and to return home, MMA simply said there was no need as he is leaving the team. - When BoxeR told him that he is still a SlayerS player who was bound by the contract, MMA claimed that it was not a contract but a slavery note. We have a clause determining the share of prize money, which already allows players to keep the majority, but we didn't even take our share of the prize money. We didn't write contracts to make money. When he called the contract a slavery note, I was simply lost. We had 5 players in total who had a contract including Ganzi and MMA. Full post (should be almost finished now): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=376041¤tpage=8#156 | ||
howLiN
Portugal1676 Posts
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achan1058
1091 Posts
On October 17 2012 23:09 Jakkerr wrote: Just a matter of time before most ''GOM'' teams will disband. The 2-3 strongest will probably survive but that's about it. I don't think so. IMO Team 8 will probably come before the big 4 of eSF. | ||
rice_devOurer
United States773 Posts
On October 17 2012 23:09 saroir wrote: Oh no, slayers has always been my favorite non-kespa team. Why does this happen? I guess i really have to cheer for TL now. With sea, TLO and ret they have some really nice guys on board. And really sincere, too. | ||
renaissanceMAN
United States1840 Posts
On October 17 2012 23:06 SfynX wrote: LGIM-MMA That would actually be sick! too many m's, the gomtv program that reads the names in the matches would just explode killing tasteless and artosis | ||
IMinato
209 Posts
Sad to see them go,hopefully all the players get picked up real fast :/ Slayers hwaiting! | ||
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