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Ryps
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Romania2740 Posts
October 17 2012 14:19 GMT
#501
No big surprise, Boxer's moving was the last hit that killed Slayers.
YoucriedWolf
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden1456 Posts
October 17 2012 14:19 GMT
#502
Jessica makes a really strong case this time, but with her reputation I will faith for more information to surface before I completely form my opinion.
What is truly interesting is that this is the only powerhouse outside of the federation that goes down, and that the federation is/was exposed as a bag of dicks but Boss tells a good reminder, that this was of course the old federation before it was reformed. I hope this creates incentive for the scene to globalize and that a lot of players get picked up by foreign teams so that the korean players get a more stable and healthy environment and hopefully some day we can distinguish players as good or bad rather than korean and foreigners.
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
October 17 2012 14:19 GMT
#503
On October 17 2012 23:18 xXFireandIceXx wrote:
MMA showing dat disrespect to Boxer. The only justification would have been if Boxer/Jessica embezzled the money....which I honestly have a seriously hard time believing.....

Considering the players/coah agreed, It's not hard to believe.
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Goldfish
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
2230 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-17 14:20:45
October 17 2012 14:19 GMT
#504
The talk about federation not listening to both sides of the story sounds right.

Remember the Coach Lee incident?


Take note this was the old eSports Federation rather than the new one.

I can see the NASL stuff and the other fiascos that happened between ESF and Slayers being true easily (the Coach Lee incident is the more famous and known one that was ESF's wrongdoing).
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KillerSOS
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States4207 Posts
October 17 2012 14:19 GMT
#505
No way!!

I'm distraught
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4744 Posts
October 17 2012 14:19 GMT
#506
Thats some heavy shit right there, i actually surprised that of all the teams it happend to Slayers.
Pathetic Greta hater.
quannguyen
Profile Joined January 2012
Vietnam1390 Posts
October 17 2012 14:20 GMT
#507
What the f*** is this shit? Honestly I can't even comprehend why Crank said those cruel words to Boxer and Jessica, the two who cared for him and all players with all their hearts. MMA also appears to be such a douche. Sad day T_T
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Chengakz
Profile Joined January 2012
United States163 Posts
October 17 2012 14:21 GMT
#508
I wonder what Taeja thinks of this? Dear God what will happen to MMA and Boxer?
For Aiur!
sewergoat
Profile Joined May 2011
United States97 Posts
October 17 2012 14:21 GMT
#509
wow for a second there my heart stopped because i thought this was the general thread and the title was actually "Slayer disbands." i mean this is obviously still tragic news but wow am i relieved slayer is still together XD
Silence is better than bullshit
Alex1Sun
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
494 Posts
October 17 2012 14:21 GMT
#510
On October 17 2012 21:33 Medrea wrote:
Expected this after Boxer left and the MMA thing went completely unexplained and like, 50 other hints that gave it away.

MMA INCIDENT:

Turns out MMA suspected Jessica of embezzling sponsorship money from the team. Many players agree this was the case.
Someone is doing a translation.
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On October 17 2012 22:03 frequency wrote:
Okay, my friend translating (not finished the whole thing)

Current Situation
- MMA and Alicia have been demoted to B-team.
- Because of recent events surrounding Alicia, he will also be released (have not been told yet)
- Ryung is currently practicing at home. Yugioh originally also practiced at home and only practiced in the team house time to time.
- Crank didn't leave but has been released.
- Time was given to Puzzle, Coca and Min to think about their career and they have now switched to League of Legends
- Wanted to give up entering GSTL as half the main players are gone and even many players who were still bound by a contract refused to play. But remaining players were eager to play so still entered. We knew it was near impossible to win but we entered to give players experiences that they wanted. And this bonded the remaining players.
- Excluding the three players who wanted time off to consider their career, we entered the team with 4 B-team players and 4 A-team players. We excluded Alicia who avoided entering GSTL from the last season.
The reason why Boxer joined SKT
- We need to talk about how SlayerS started
- Federation and SlayerS didn't get along from the start. We had Intel as the main sponsor and started off being the wealthiest team. That's when the federation wanted us to join but we weren't sure about what their goals and what they were after so told the federation that we will decide to join when we observe surrounding situations. That's when GanZi incident happened
Ganzi incident
- At the time, Ganzi was in team IM. Ganzi told Knight_Seal (SlayerS coach) that he was interested in joining Slayers. Both me (Jessica) and BoxeR had no idea.
- IM told the federation and accused that SlayerS tried to steal one of their players and GanZi had been spreading bad rumours about IM. GanZi had 6 months ban from entering GSL so he was about to quit as a pro gamer
- Because we were never stealing GanZi, we helped GanZi to get to the bottom of this to clear out misunderstandings

- After talking to many other players including MVP and coaches/directors who were part of the federation, all evidences collected suggested that GanZi was innocent. IM coach (Mr Gang) couldn't argue about anything so only snuck out of the situation by saying 'This was my understanding, GanZi - if you wanted to move why didn't you tell me personally?'
- SlayerS wes the second victim of this incident as the majority of people believed that we were stealing a player but nobody, including Mr Kang, apologized for anything. We lost our faith in the federation who does not seem to listen to both sides of the story and make a decision based on assumptions.
- After this incident we dropped our thoughts of joining in. There were no appealing reasons for us to join. But another event hit the federation - TSL coach Mr Lee
NASL incident
- NASL season 1 had started and many players including BoxeR were preparing to depart the country. Then Mr Won (Startale coach) contacted us that 'NASL is not paying flights for Korean players only, we should not participate in NASL with this sort of discrimination.' he hoped that SlayerS boycotts the tournament. However we were already ready for everything including flights and hotel accomodation as our sponsor paid to play.
- He claimed that all other teams will be boycotting but they all ended up participating anyway and Puma won the whole tournament.
- As NASL season 2 began, Mr Won once again asked us to boycott and we wanted to boycott this time. So we told Mr Won that if this boycott will help to reach a beneficial agreement between NASL and the federation, we will surely join boycotting.

- Mr Won promised us that both GomTV and the federation will claim their rights. However we heard nothing about this incident after. We asked Mr Won if there had been conversations between two parties, such as e-mails, but Mr Won said there wasn't anything like that/
- We understood NASL's position about needing deposits as many players who already disqualfied for the main stage avoid or ditch remaining matches. NASL season 3 started and because there were no attempts communicate from the federation and NASL. We entered season 3.
- Total 8 players made through the qualifiers, and that's when Mr Choi (MVP coach) contacted us. He expressed his regrets about us playing in NASL and mentioned that FXO entered for the qualifiers but dropped the thoughts immediately. He asked me to drop the 8 players from participating. I explained to Mr Choi that I only agreed to boycott season 2 as Mr Won promised me to show results or at least attempts to communicate to reach an agreement with NASL but have heard nothing from him. I explained the whole surrounding situations and asked him to tell other team coaches of the federation who do not know the situation but weirdly enough nothing was communicated between them.
- Even Mr Won who could have told other teams about how we thought, and when I asked him why he didn't communicate that to the federation. He claimed that he doesn't remember the conversation clearly that he didn't want to communicate something uncertain. I thought the federation was an absurd group.
- We have heard from other players from different teams, that they were told not to practise with SlayerS players and not even chat on ladder. Players who were good friends with each other had to use a different account to secretly help our players to practise. When I heard about this, I asked Mr Won and argued however he said confidently "it's petty but this is how far we will go to put restrictions on SlayerS'
- When I answered, that is ridiculous as we had not done anything wrong and this is destroying players personal friendship. And Mr Won simply replied 'this happens because you refused to join the federation and go on separate ways'. I made several claims to the federation but nobody answered me and players couldn't find practise partners.
- As I couldn't take this any longer, I phoned Mr Won and told "I don't want our players to have unfair disadvantages because of their team. I will disband the team so take our players to your team. However we will formally request you (the federation) to be liable for damages you caused to the team and our sponsors." And that is when we have finally gotten an e-mail saying that they will lift up the restriction. (Have shown it to the reporter who wrote this)

More coming, will post when he tells me!


Someone elses translation.



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On October 17 2012 22:25 redloser wrote:
Hmm... I can't translate the whole thing 'cause my English kinda sucks and this is reallllly long... but the main points are:


1. Why Boxer joined SKT1

- Ganzi joins Slayers, and the Federation tried to punish him for not transferring properly, but it turns out the transfer didn't have any problem, but the Fed didn't apologize to Slayers.

- NASL deposit incident: (Mainly she talked with Won Jong Wook, the manager of Startale, but I'd just write the Federation) the Federation boycotted NASL, and asked Slayers to join the boycott. Slayers did, but nothing was earned from the boycott. So Slayers withdrew the boycott in the next season (NASL3).
The Federation ostracized Slayers since then; the progamers in the Federation did not practice with Slayers anymore. Jessica complained that she didn't want the progamers on her team to be harmed, so she would disband the team, and the Federation could take the players from Slayers.
She also mentioned she would sue the people involved for the problems with her sponsor after the aforementioned disband. The Federation apologized, but they still covertly prevent their players from practising with Slayers. Even Sleep, who is merely staying in Slayers house, is being ostracized.
Jessica has a witness, who moved from the Federation to Slayers, so if the Federation tries to deny the fact, she would meet them in person.

- The MMA incident: Slayers had Manager J who worked with foreign assignments. Jessica entrusted Manager J with sponsor affairs. Manager J later said that sponsors demanded something different from Slayers' direction. Since Slayers was doing fine at that time, Jessica was curious, but did not delve deeply into the incident.
Jessica figured that she could use her private money to run the team, and manage the sponsor affair later. However, Manager J was doing something doubtful, so Jessica investigated a little.
Jessica found out that Manager J did not negotiate at all, or purposedly negotiated badly to cut off the sponsors. Moreover, Manager J told the Slayers progamers that Jessica embezzled the money from the sponsors.
Even though Slayers clearly was running with the money from Boxer's private sponsorship, the players believed it, which Jessica couldn't understand.
Jessica was especially disappointed with MMA, who really believed it, and listened to Manager J who asked MMA and some other players to quit Slayers, and make a team of their own.
Jessica was more shocked that no players in Slayers told her about this happening. She thought of sueing the manager, but she didn't for the sake of her players.
MMA told about quitting Slayers afterwards, and Jessica's faith in MMA started to disappear afterwards.
MMA's superficial reason for quitting Slayers: 1) They were ostracized by other teams.
MMA also had some affair with Crank: Crank wanted to quit gaming. Jessica listened to him and sent him home, but then figured out that Crank was looking for a foreign team. When Jessica called Crank, Crank said MMA asked him to leave Slayers with him.
When Jessica asked MMA, MMA denied that. Recently, Crank called Jessica that Jessica tried to tie him into the Ryung, Alicia, MMA problem with him, and shouted at her. Boxer took the phone, and Crank said the same thing to him.

Boxer was really shocked because he devoted all his time and billions of money to run the team, but the players would only turn around and curse at him.

They decided to remove MMA from the team, but MMA did not return for days. And when he finally returned, Boxer told MMA that you are demoted to B-team, so you should go home. MMA said he would just quit the team right away, but Boxer told him that he can't because of the contract.
MMA said it wasn't a contract, it was rather a slave contract. But Jessica mentioned that although the contract said to take a small portion of players' prize money, Jessica did not take any money from the contract.

So Boxer joined SKT1.

- Alicia and Ryung:
Alicia was fine at first, but as he went to foreign tournaments, he wasn't fine anymore and he was really dissatisfied. When Jessica asked why, Alicia answered that when he returns to Korea, the manager did not pick him up.
Jessica thought that was preposterous, and sent Alicia home. The contract would be renewed automatically unless Alicia calls her, which he didn't. But Jessica would not renew the contract and will dismiss Alicia from the team, due to a recent happening that cannot be opened right now.
It is a really serious incident, but she would not mention it unless it is necessary.

-Why Clide went to KT:
Clide was friendly with MMA, which made Jessica anxious. Jessica thought Clide should not be the same as MMA. Clide had many things to take care of, so Jessica persuaded him to pursue another dream, so he joined KT.

-Misunderstanding of players from Slayers:
Ganzi, Taeja, Golden, and Sleep had no problem. They wanted to move teams, so Jessica let them.


Highlights include:

Jessica accused of stealing from the team.
Players agree.
Manager J agrees.
Jessica claims J intentionally did not negotiate with sponsors (his job), and that she has been running the team with her own money.

THIS is the big problem. Everything else is candy.

That is really sad. Somebody here was behaving completely inappropriately, either Manager J or Jessica.
From this it seems that Manager J is a total dick:
+ Show Spoiler +
Slayers had Manager J who worked with foreign assignments. Jessica entrusted Manager J with sponsor affairs. Manager J later said that sponsors demanded something different from Slayers' direction. Since Slayers was doing fine at that time, Jessica was curious, but did not delve deeply into the incident.
Jessica figured that she could use her private money to run the team, and manage the sponsor affair later. However, Manager J was doing something doubtful, so Jessica investigated a little.
Jessica found out that Manager J did not negotiate at all, or purposedly negotiated badly to cut off the sponsors. Moreover, Manager J told the Slayers progamers that Jessica embezzled the money from the sponsors.
Even though Slayers clearly was running with the money from Boxer's private sponsorship, the players believed it, which Jessica couldn't understand.
This is not Warcraft in space!
Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
October 17 2012 14:21 GMT
#511
On October 17 2012 23:19 Goldfish wrote:
The talk about federation not listening to both sides of the story sounds right.

Remember the Coach Lee incident?


Take note this was the old eSports Federation rather than the new one.

I can see the NASL stuff and the other fiascos that happened between ESF and Slayers being true easily (the Coach Lee incident is the more famous and known one that was ESF's wrongdoing).


It's called SC2con, not "the old esf".
trwkling
Profile Joined September 2011
658 Posts
October 17 2012 14:21 GMT
#512
On October 17 2012 23:19 NovemberstOrm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2012 23:18 xXFireandIceXx wrote:
MMA showing dat disrespect to Boxer. The only justification would have been if Boxer/Jessica embezzled the money....which I honestly have a seriously hard time believing.....

Considering the players/coah agreed, It's not hard to believe.


could it be because the accounts were mixed? jessica said boxer used a lot of his own money (and jessica's) to build the team maybe they didn't have a very clear separation of accounts so they pooled the money in for themselves as well as the team, and so manager j used that to... whoever's advantage?
framtidenskrig
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden92 Posts
October 17 2012 14:22 GMT
#513
EG going to pick up MMA????
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Krogan
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden375 Posts
October 17 2012 14:22 GMT
#514
I expect MMA to join EG, Thorzain and MMA are really close friends and it's a move that makes a lot of sense and EG likes high profile fan favorites with good records.
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
October 17 2012 14:22 GMT
#515
On October 17 2012 23:18 Alvis wrote:
" BoxeR spent all his time and more than one hundred million(won) to grow the team and when players are mocking me and him, he was very shocked. "



That's just fucked up. I can understand the players disliking Jessica since she doesn't come from an e-sport background and comes off as really overbearing and meddlesome. Disrespecting Boxer is a big no-no. Without him who knows if the scene would even exist.
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
October 17 2012 14:22 GMT
#516
On October 17 2012 23:19 Goldfish wrote:
The talk about federation not listening to both sides of the story sounds right.

Remember the Coach Lee incident?


Take note this was the old eSports Federation rather than the new one.


To be fair, it is almost impossible to 'prove' anything in player tampering cases. In multi-billion dollars sports have a hard time with this issue. There is no evidence or witness. Who knows if the team approached a player first or the player approached the team.
Discarder
Profile Joined July 2012
Philippines411 Posts
October 17 2012 14:22 GMT
#517
ROOTMMA :D
You can take the lion out of the jungle, but you can't take the jungle out of the lion
Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
October 17 2012 14:23 GMT
#518
coca and puzzle left sc2 full ? OH NO
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dynwar7
Profile Joined May 2011
1983 Posts
October 17 2012 14:23 GMT
#519
Oh God this is like a dream...

Slayers disbanding...?


.....
.....
Regarding the imbalance, hilarious to see Zergs defending themselves....
SupLilSon
Profile Joined October 2011
Malaysia4123 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-17 14:26:40
October 17 2012 14:24 GMT
#520
One thing I don't get is what was the motivation behind Manager J's actions? Was he colluding with ESF teams/SC2con to undermine SlayerS and bring the players into a new team that would join ESF? Otherwise I don't see why he'd purposely sever potentially lucrative sponsorships when SlayerS was a relatively successful team.

I also get the feeling the article doesnt go in chronological order. Because GanZi left SlayerS a while before MMA/Crank drama and Boxer leaving.
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