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Sableyeah
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands2119 Posts
October 17 2012 14:07 GMT
#461
Wow read the whole article, so much controversies man :/ problems everywhere. No trust, dunno why because it always seemed like both Boxer and Jessica took care of their players properly, how can there be no trust within the team...
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endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
October 17 2012 14:07 GMT
#462
Now the real question is "Is BoxeR going to divorce Jessica ?"
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1Dhalism
Profile Joined June 2012
862 Posts
October 17 2012 14:08 GMT
#463
On October 17 2012 22:51 Ansinjunger wrote:
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On October 17 2012 22:44 opterown wrote:
On October 17 2012 22:41 farnham wrote:
On October 17 2012 22:37 Hypemeup wrote:
I hope this is the last time Jessica has anything to do with Korean esports.

are you for real?

she supported the scene more than any other team manager

more drama and threats than any other team manager, too


Even if she's dramatic, Boxer should be able to say if she's lying, so why would she? Before the conspiracy theories begin, I don't think she exerts any mind control over BoxeR, or bf/gf dominance or w/e. It didn't stop him from rejoining SKT.

going against your girlfriend? I don't think so.
DreamOen
Profile Joined March 2010
Spain1400 Posts
October 17 2012 14:08 GMT
#464
This was one of the most stable teams out there, its really sad to hear. Curious to see what will happen with the players.
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Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12022 Posts
October 17 2012 14:08 GMT
#465
Sad to hear about all this drama. T_T
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xXFireandIceXx
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada4296 Posts
October 17 2012 14:09 GMT
#466
On October 17 2012 23:07 Sableyeah wrote:
Wow read the whole article, so much controversies man :/ problems everywhere. No trust, dunno why because it always seemed like both Boxer and Jessica took care of their players properly, how can there be no trust within the team...

Probably what broke their hearts is that they put Boxer's own money into this....and how the players didn't really appreciate it to the extent they would've wanted.

If you think about it, this is quite similar to the model Boxer used at first with Orion (what SKT1 used to be). It was just everyone pooling together money and scraping a living just playing the game.
ranjutan
Profile Joined November 2010
United States636 Posts
October 17 2012 14:09 GMT
#467
On October 17 2012 23:01 Conti wrote:
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On October 17 2012 22:53 frequency wrote:
Next part:

- But.. I was told by others that he is streaming and looking for a foreign team. So I asked him why he had to lie and what his unprofessional attitutes are for. I asked him if he knew why MMA wanted to leave the team. He answered 'it's because of me - when I told MMA that I want to move to another team because of the team atmosphere, MMA wanted to join me'. I asked MMA whether it was true and he denied.


Other parts: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=376041&currentpage=8#156


Huh. In the other parts, didn't Jessica basically say that MMA wanted to form a new team and steal Slayers' players or something? This makes it sound like MMA simply wanted to go wherever Crank wanted to go. Big difference.

To be honest, I get a bad vibe about Jessica from the translations done her (thank you so much for the translation, by the way), but I can't quite put my finger on it why. Weird.


No. She said that some former manager J offered to Slayers players to join a new team that he would form and get sponsored, and MMA agreed. This seems to be a separate incident, as manager J's team never materialized and he was probably out of the picture by this point (of MMA's demotion). Perhaps you're getting some of this bad vibe because you are not remembering correctly.
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Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10331 Posts
October 17 2012 14:09 GMT
#468
sad but it's ok, slayers' spirit (with boxer) will be in SKT1 now, having both SKT1 and slayers would be weird

a shame, but i guess a good time to disband to keep their legacy short and sweet...
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Mortal
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
2943 Posts
October 17 2012 14:09 GMT
#469
Sad day indeed SlayerS has been a pillar in the Korean scene for almost as long as GSL has been around. I truly hope to see their players around on other teams and not befall the same fate as some of the yet signed ex-oGs members.

(IM-MMA is way too many goddamn M's)
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saroir
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany244 Posts
October 17 2012 14:09 GMT
#470
Oh no, slayers has always been my favorite non-kespa team.
Why does this happen?

I guess i really have to cheer for TL now.
With sea, TLO and ret they have some really nice guys on board.
Jakkerr
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands2549 Posts
October 17 2012 14:09 GMT
#471
Just a matter of time before most ''GOM'' teams will disband.
The 2-3 strongest will probably survive but that's about it.
xuanzue
Profile Joined October 2010
Colombia1747 Posts
October 17 2012 14:10 GMT
#472
I expect jessica off eSports.

If players agree that money was losing, then anything was wrong,

Slayers team began with $200.000, taked cuts of prizepools, but they didn't show so many expenses. If you see all the MLG, IEM participation were paid by the torunament organizers.
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Goldfish
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
2230 Posts
October 17 2012 14:11 GMT
#473
On October 17 2012 21:33 Medrea wrote:
Expected this after Boxer left and the MMA thing went completely unexplained and like, 50 other hints that gave it away.

MMA INCIDENT:

Turns out MMA suspected Jessica of embezzling sponsorship money from the team. Many players agree this was the case.
Someone is doing a translation.
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On October 17 2012 22:03 frequency wrote:
Okay, my friend translating (not finished the whole thing)

Current Situation
- MMA and Alicia have been demoted to B-team.
- Because of recent events surrounding Alicia, he will also be released (have not been told yet)
- Ryung is currently practicing at home. Yugioh originally also practiced at home and only practiced in the team house time to time.
- Crank didn't leave but has been released.
- Time was given to Puzzle, Coca and Min to think about their career and they have now switched to League of Legends
- Wanted to give up entering GSTL as half the main players are gone and even many players who were still bound by a contract refused to play. But remaining players were eager to play so still entered. We knew it was near impossible to win but we entered to give players experiences that they wanted. And this bonded the remaining players.
- Excluding the three players who wanted time off to consider their career, we entered the team with 4 B-team players and 4 A-team players. We excluded Alicia who avoided entering GSTL from the last season.
The reason why Boxer joined SKT
- We need to talk about how SlayerS started
- Federation and SlayerS didn't get along from the start. We had Intel as the main sponsor and started off being the wealthiest team. That's when the federation wanted us to join but we weren't sure about what their goals and what they were after so told the federation that we will decide to join when we observe surrounding situations. That's when GanZi incident happened
Ganzi incident
- At the time, Ganzi was in team IM. Ganzi told Knight_Seal (SlayerS coach) that he was interested in joining Slayers. Both me (Jessica) and BoxeR had no idea.
- IM told the federation and accused that SlayerS tried to steal one of their players and GanZi had been spreading bad rumours about IM. GanZi had 6 months ban from entering GSL so he was about to quit as a pro gamer
- Because we were never stealing GanZi, we helped GanZi to get to the bottom of this to clear out misunderstandings

- After talking to many other players including MVP and coaches/directors who were part of the federation, all evidences collected suggested that GanZi was innocent. IM coach (Mr Gang) couldn't argue about anything so only snuck out of the situation by saying 'This was my understanding, GanZi - if you wanted to move why didn't you tell me personally?'
- SlayerS wes the second victim of this incident as the majority of people believed that we were stealing a player but nobody, including Mr Kang, apologized for anything. We lost our faith in the federation who does not seem to listen to both sides of the story and make a decision based on assumptions.
- After this incident we dropped our thoughts of joining in. There were no appealing reasons for us to join. But another event hit the federation - TSL coach Mr Lee
NASL incident
- NASL season 1 had started and many players including BoxeR were preparing to depart the country. Then Mr Won (Startale coach) contacted us that 'NASL is not paying flights for Korean players only, we should not participate in NASL with this sort of discrimination.' he hoped that SlayerS boycotts the tournament. However we were already ready for everything including flights and hotel accomodation as our sponsor paid to play.
- He claimed that all other teams will be boycotting but they all ended up participating anyway and Puma won the whole tournament.
- As NASL season 2 began, Mr Won once again asked us to boycott and we wanted to boycott this time. So we told Mr Won that if this boycott will help to reach a beneficial agreement between NASL and the federation, we will surely join boycotting.

- Mr Won promised us that both GomTV and the federation will claim their rights. However we heard nothing about this incident after. We asked Mr Won if there had been conversations between two parties, such as e-mails, but Mr Won said there wasn't anything like that/
- We understood NASL's position about needing deposits as many players who already disqualfied for the main stage avoid or ditch remaining matches. NASL season 3 started and because there were no attempts communicate from the federation and NASL. We entered season 3.
- Total 8 players made through the qualifiers, and that's when Mr Choi (MVP coach) contacted us. He expressed his regrets about us playing in NASL and mentioned that FXO entered for the qualifiers but dropped the thoughts immediately. He asked me to drop the 8 players from participating. I explained to Mr Choi that I only agreed to boycott season 2 as Mr Won promised me to show results or at least attempts to communicate to reach an agreement with NASL but have heard nothing from him. I explained the whole surrounding situations and asked him to tell other team coaches of the federation who do not know the situation but weirdly enough nothing was communicated between them.
- Even Mr Won who could have told other teams about how we thought, and when I asked him why he didn't communicate that to the federation. He claimed that he doesn't remember the conversation clearly that he didn't want to communicate something uncertain. I thought the federation was an absurd group.
- We have heard from other players from different teams, that they were told not to practise with SlayerS players and not even chat on ladder. Players who were good friends with each other had to use a different account to secretly help our players to practise. When I heard about this, I asked Mr Won and argued however he said confidently "it's petty but this is how far we will go to put restrictions on SlayerS'
- When I answered, that is ridiculous as we had not done anything wrong and this is destroying players personal friendship. And Mr Won simply replied 'this happens because you refused to join the federation and go on separate ways'. I made several claims to the federation but nobody answered me and players couldn't find practise partners.
- As I couldn't take this any longer, I phoned Mr Won and told "I don't want our players to have unfair disadvantages because of their team. I will disband the team so take our players to your team. However we will formally request you (the federation) to be liable for damages you caused to the team and our sponsors." And that is when we have finally gotten an e-mail saying that they will lift up the restriction. (Have shown it to the reporter who wrote this)

More coming, will post when he tells me!


Someone elses translation.



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On October 17 2012 22:25 redloser wrote:
Hmm... I can't translate the whole thing 'cause my English kinda sucks and this is reallllly long... but the main points are:


1. Why Boxer joined SKT1

- Ganzi joins Slayers, and the Federation tried to punish him for not transferring properly, but it turns out the transfer didn't have any problem, but the Fed didn't apologize to Slayers.

- NASL deposit incident: (Mainly she talked with Won Jong Wook, the manager of Startale, but I'd just write the Federation) the Federation boycotted NASL, and asked Slayers to join the boycott. Slayers did, but nothing was earned from the boycott. So Slayers withdrew the boycott in the next season (NASL3).
The Federation ostracized Slayers since then; the progamers in the Federation did not practice with Slayers anymore. Jessica complained that she didn't want the progamers on her team to be harmed, so she would disband the team, and the Federation could take the players from Slayers.
She also mentioned she would sue the people involved for the problems with her sponsor after the aforementioned disband. The Federation apologized, but they still covertly prevent their players from practising with Slayers. Even Sleep, who is merely staying in Slayers house, is being ostracized.
Jessica has a witness, who moved from the Federation to Slayers, so if the Federation tries to deny the fact, she would meet them in person.

- The MMA incident: Slayers had Manager J who worked with foreign assignments. Jessica entrusted Manager J with sponsor affairs. Manager J later said that sponsors demanded something different from Slayers' direction. Since Slayers was doing fine at that time, Jessica was curious, but did not delve deeply into the incident.
Jessica figured that she could use her private money to run the team, and manage the sponsor affair later. However, Manager J was doing something doubtful, so Jessica investigated a little.
Jessica found out that Manager J did not negotiate at all, or purposedly negotiated badly to cut off the sponsors. Moreover, Manager J told the Slayers progamers that Jessica embezzled the money from the sponsors.
Even though Slayers clearly was running with the money from Boxer's private sponsorship, the players believed it, which Jessica couldn't understand.
Jessica was especially disappointed with MMA, who really believed it, and listened to Manager J who asked MMA and some other players to quit Slayers, and make a team of their own.
Jessica was more shocked that no players in Slayers told her about this happening. She thought of sueing the manager, but she didn't for the sake of her players.
MMA told about quitting Slayers afterwards, and Jessica's faith in MMA started to disappear afterwards.
MMA's superficial reason for quitting Slayers: 1) They were ostracized by other teams.
MMA also had some affair with Crank: Crank wanted to quit gaming. Jessica listened to him and sent him home, but then figured out that Crank was looking for a foreign team. When Jessica called Crank, Crank said MMA asked him to leave Slayers with him.
When Jessica asked MMA, MMA denied that. Recently, Crank called Jessica that Jessica tried to tie him into the Ryung, Alicia, MMA problem with him, and shouted at her. Boxer took the phone, and Crank said the same thing to him.

Boxer was really shocked because he devoted all his time and billions of money to run the team, but the players would only turn around and curse at him.

They decided to remove MMA from the team, but MMA did not return for days. And when he finally returned, Boxer told MMA that you are demoted to B-team, so you should go home. MMA said he would just quit the team right away, but Boxer told him that he can't because of the contract.
MMA said it wasn't a contract, it was rather a slave contract. But Jessica mentioned that although the contract said to take a small portion of players' prize money, Jessica did not take any money from the contract.

So Boxer joined SKT1.

- Alicia and Ryung:
Alicia was fine at first, but as he went to foreign tournaments, he wasn't fine anymore and he was really dissatisfied. When Jessica asked why, Alicia answered that when he returns to Korea, the manager did not pick him up.
Jessica thought that was preposterous, and sent Alicia home. The contract would be renewed automatically unless Alicia calls her, which he didn't. But Jessica would not renew the contract and will dismiss Alicia from the team, due to a recent happening that cannot be opened right now.
It is a really serious incident, but she would not mention it unless it is necessary.

-Why Clide went to KT:
Clide was friendly with MMA, which made Jessica anxious. Jessica thought Clide should not be the same as MMA. Clide had many things to take care of, so Jessica persuaded him to pursue another dream, so he joined KT.

-Misunderstanding of players from Slayers:
Ganzi, Taeja, Golden, and Sleep had no problem. They wanted to move teams, so Jessica let them.


Highlights include:

Jessica accused of stealing from the team.
Players agree.
Manager J agrees.
Jessica claims J intentionally did not negotiate with sponsors (his job), and that she has been running the team with her own money.

THIS is the big problem. Everything else is candy.


This should be in the first post (even though it's on the first page, I can see some people missing it or skipping it to reply).
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blacksheepwall
Profile Joined June 2011
China1530 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-20 06:50:59
October 17 2012 14:11 GMT
#474
This is pretty depressing. Always been a huge fan of Slayers and Boxer. Loved it when MMA was wrecking face (that seems like so long ago now).

I don't blame Boxer for leaving, especially if he'd been running the team with his own money. It must be devastating for all this stuff to happen.

At least they left us with some great memories.
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frequency
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Australia1901 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-17 14:14:04
October 17 2012 14:11 GMT
#475
Still more ;_;

- Recently, Crank rang me and screamed 'why are you relating me with Ganzi, Alicia and MMA's problem? do you want to ruin my progamer life?' I lost my words. I knew he wasn't happy with me and the team. But I asked 'Do you know where you are yelling at? I have looked after you and cared for you as the team owner and the manager for years'.. but he yelled back saying 'who do you think you are? where are you yelling at?'. Boxer who was right next to me got the phone off me after listening to him, but then he also yelled at BoxeR saying 'what were you doing during all this?' and then claimed that he will only play SC2 for this year and he just wanted to enjoy the game and that's why he left the team. I have this on recording and I will see what he does in the future. (T/N : I am sure that Crank can get into a trouble if he enters into another team as he lied to get out of the contract)
- BoxeR spent all his time and more than one hundred million(won) to grow the team and when players are mocking me and him, he was very shocked. Although we were in the GSTL finals, the atmosphere was the worst. I had to make a decision on Crank and MMA, who were affecting the team atmosphere, so I sent MMA back home and removed crank. I wanted to notify MMA but he never came back to the team house over weekends and never helped anyone for GSTL. Because we couldn't tell MMA, BoxeR and I told Ganzi about this. Ganzi used to joke around with me but during the time he couldn't even make an eye contact with me. I asked him what the problem was as I have explained to him about everything as MMA problems progressed.

- BoxeR told GanZi painfully that MMA is a cancer to this team at the moment and he wanted to GanZi to make the right decision. GanZi was very lost and he also told us that he will try to concentrate practising at home.
- MMA came back the next day, he probably have heard his expulsion from A-team from Ganzi. He had already packed all his belongings. BoxeR called MMA and started to talk but MMA cut him off and said there are nothing to talk about. BoxeR told him MMA had been moved to B-Team and to return home, MMA simply said there was no need as he is leaving the team.
- When BoxeR told him that he is still a SlayerS player who was bound by the contract, MMA claimed that it was not a contract but a slavery note. We have a clause determining the share of prize money, which already allows players to keep the majority, but we didn't even take our share of the prize money. We didn't write contracts to make money. When he called the contract a slavery note, I was simply lost. We had 5 players in total who had a contract including Ganzi and MMA.


Full post (should be almost finished now): http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=376041&currentpage=8#156
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howLiN
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Portugal1676 Posts
October 17 2012 14:11 GMT
#476
Slayers was such a cool team in its heyday, with an unbelievable terran lineup in MMA, Ryung, Taeja, Ganzi, Boxer. Sad to see them go.
achan1058
Profile Joined February 2012
1091 Posts
October 17 2012 14:11 GMT
#477
On October 17 2012 23:09 Jakkerr wrote:
Just a matter of time before most ''GOM'' teams will disband.
The 2-3 strongest will probably survive but that's about it.

I don't think so. IMO Team 8 will probably come before the big 4 of eSF.
rice_devOurer
Profile Joined July 2012
United States773 Posts
October 17 2012 14:12 GMT
#478
On October 17 2012 23:09 saroir wrote:
Oh no, slayers has always been my favorite non-kespa team.
Why does this happen?

I guess i really have to cheer for TL now.
With sea, TLO and ret they have some really nice guys on board.

And really sincere, too.
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renaissanceMAN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1840 Posts
October 17 2012 14:13 GMT
#479
On October 17 2012 23:06 SfynX wrote:
LGIM-MMA
That would actually be sick!


too many m's, the gomtv program that reads the names in the matches would just explode killing tasteless and artosis
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IMinato
Profile Joined May 2012
209 Posts
October 17 2012 14:13 GMT
#480
This makes me really sad.Even if they were not posting that good of resuslts as of late,they were still one of my favourite teams.Their name automatically meant awesome starcraft for me ;;
Sad to see them go,hopefully all the players get picked up real fast :/
Slayers hwaiting!
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