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On October 11 2012 10:33 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2012 10:18 HiroPro wrote:On October 11 2012 10:11 kushm4sta wrote:On October 11 2012 08:54 HiroPro wrote:Hey Djodref, I'd like a proper response to the question I asked you earlier. Not a repetition of what you've already said, I want a clear stance.
I'm voting for kush over prp. kush doesn't seem to have much interest in finding scum - his votes are for people who he thinks are "bad", which is pretty much just abdicating any responsibility for scumhunting. The one vote that he does try to give some reasoning for is nonsense and in itself a contradiction since kush himself is not attempting to find scum - he's content to make one weak read and pick 2 other people for reasons unrelated to finding scum. He's right, that getting a bye makes it easier for you to be lynched. But he calls it a "disadvantage." Scum would be more likely to think of it this way. He is not approaching the bracket as an opportunity to catch scum, but as a trial to avoid lynch. He has the natural fear of a scum. kushm4sta x1 I get that people think it's not a scumtell, but how is it "in itself a condradiction since [I am] not attempting to find scum"? My point about doaud had nothing to do with whether or not he was scumhunting, so I don't see the contradiction. Then what is your point - that he's showing a scum mentality? It's already been explained to you why that argument doesn't hold any weight (townies would consider byes a disadvantage too, since they don't want to get lynched either), so I don't see why you would keep your vote on him for that reason. Yes my point is he is showing a scum mentality. Yes it has been explained, but I do not consider any explanation given definitive. Personally I did not think about the bye being a disadvantage. I don't want to lynched sure, but my fear of being lynched is WAY more as scum.
So then why is it that you made no attempt to convince austin otherwise?
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Adding another vote onto kush, I want him advancing.
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hey this thing where we vote in secret in the voting thread and don't say what we're doing in the main thread? that's not ok.
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Fuckfuckfuckfuck, my phone died and just got back sorry i wasnt posting >_>
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your phone died for like 24 hours and you just now manage to make it back right at deadline?
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On October 11 2012 11:02 HiroPro wrote:
hey this thing where we vote in secret in the voting thread and don't say what we're doing in the main thread? that's not ok.
It was deadline, its not like anyone could have done anything about it. The only thing I did there was let you push kush into Ro8. The rest of my votes were redundant and I'm interested to see how you pursue kush into the next round.
pre-edit:=\ ON trying to deadline as well...interesting. Why the apparent scumread (and completely unnecessary vote) on djodref?
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On October 11 2012 11:05 thrawn2112 wrote:
your phone died for like 24 hours and you just now manage to make it back right at deadline?
There is this wonderful thing called real life that happens to often impede on things, by the time I was free to post and take time to read my phone was dead and I had to wait until i got off my rather late shift at work and communicate with this thread.
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On October 11 2012 11:08 OriginalName wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2012 11:05 thrawn2112 wrote:
your phone died for like 24 hours and you just now manage to make it back right at deadline? There is this wonderful thing called real life that happens to often impede on things, by the time I was free to post and take time to read my phone was dead and I had to wait until i got off my rather late shift at work and communicate with this thread.
Then please go ahead and start making up for lost time
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kitaman27
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Day One: Round Two
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You have less than 24 hours to vote. Deadline is 02:00 GMT (+00:00)
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On October 11 2012 11:07 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2012 11:02 HiroPro wrote:
hey this thing where we vote in secret in the voting thread and don't say what we're doing in the main thread? that's not ok. It was deadline, its not like anyone could have done anything about it. The only thing I did there was let you push kush into Ro8. The rest of my votes were redundant and I'm interested to see how you pursue kush into the next round. pre-edit:=\ ON trying to deadline as well...interesting. Why the apparent scumread (and completely unnecessary vote) on djodref?
kush was already advancing even if you left your vote on prplhz - he was the higher seed.
But in any case, I'm talking more about austin and thrawn. I didn't even realize until the last second from what thrawn said that he was putting another vote on prplhz.
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Oh wait I'm dumb, thrawn already had a vote on prlhz from before....
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On October 11 2012 11:08 OriginalName wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2012 11:05 thrawn2112 wrote:
your phone died for like 24 hours and you just now manage to make it back right at deadline? There is this wonderful thing called real life that happens to often impede on things, by the time I was free to post and take time to read my phone was dead and I had to wait until i got off my rather late shift at work and communicate with this thread.
ON why the votes on djoref?
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On October 11 2012 11:19 HiroPro wrote:
Oh wait I'm dumb, thrawn already had a vote on prlhz from before....
I doubled up on djodref, not prplhz. Sandroba was talking about out how much he trusts his hunches so my vote was a test of that
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On October 11 2012 11:22 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2012 11:08 OriginalName wrote:On October 11 2012 11:05 thrawn2112 wrote:
your phone died for like 24 hours and you just now manage to make it back right at deadline? There is this wonderful thing called real life that happens to often impede on things, by the time I was free to post and take time to read my phone was dead and I had to wait until i got off my rather late shift at work and communicate with this thread. ON why the votes on djoref?
more importantly why 2 votes? djodref was obviously going to move on at that point
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@thrawn it's not exactly a test of how sure sandroba was when you do it at the last second like that before he/she even gets a chance to realize what happened.
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Sandroba, this is a summation of my thoughts on the two, more than happy to keep discussing it even though Djodref is moving on. I got no problem trusting hunches, but I had my reads the other way:On October 11 2012 08:16 austinmcc wrote:I'm of the opposite mind as prplhz and kush on the double D lynch. da0udI don't think first time scum (at least here) would come in, drop a post that wasn't serious, and then jet forever. I would think he'd be concerned about being found out, do something more. His first post DOES feel kind of constructed, Hi again guys! and "Daoud" to sign out. But I think it's a post constructed by a townie. Like a scummy constructed post would be in response to a question, or would be pushing someone, or doing SOMETHING. A post that's constructed and does NOTHING doesn't point scum to me. I also think that's an important difference, and just hammering at "constructed = scum" is possibly scummy. Just like "possibly scummy" is scummy for being wishy washy... I also think that mentioning someone might have planned for scum to be the low numbers in the game is probably not from mafia? That sounds like paranoid townie talk to me. DjodrefI already poked at it, and HiroPro seems to see the same thing. Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 19:31 Djodref wrote:
Moreover, the more time we discuss about the rules we should use, the less time we have for scumhunting. It's also a golden opportunity for the mafia to look like they are participating while discussing the rules.
According to this, Hiropro and Daoud have made scummy posts so far because it looks like they want to focus the discussion of the lynch rules. Also Daoud first post came off as weird in my eyes. It looks like he's going to prepare an excuse like "I didn't understand today's lynch principle" for later. He draws a distinction between rules talk and scumhunting. But there were so many people talking about rules, and it has to happen. He singles out two, based on their open question, and based on them being "willing to spend more time discussing the lynch mechanics." I do not love that distinction (mildly scummy). I do not like that it comes after the fact. If I knew more about djodref, i'd question whether he's the sort of player to find people who ask for MORE mechanics talk scummy over people who bring it up but don't actually carry discussion forward. (He's played a newbie game? Does anyone off the top of their head know if he called anyone out for...stifling discussion? Usually asking questions and moving things forward is GOOD, even if it's about a suboptimal topic, and stopping discussion is the bad bit). I want to see Djodref move though. I want to see prplhz move through over kush, although right now Djodref is probably my top read?
Generic "Sandroba should post more" comment.
Lol, I'm leaving the generic comment in that quote because it still applies.
I just don't see first time scum on here making that point about low seeds rigging the lynch. Nor does the post feel constructed in a manner that pushes anything scummy. If you think a constructed entrance post is scummy on its own, that a townie would just jump in whereas only a scum is careful right from the start, then I could see that angle as well.
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I'm regretting not pushing ETs 1 vote plan harder. It just lets possible scum overrule everyone else, and all they have to say is "well this person seemed scummier."
It doesn't force them the burden of convincing other people.
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Thoughts on tommorrows matchups as they stand: Post 1 in a (Probable) series.
Echelon vs Djo
-I placeholdered on Djo as I was well aware i was skirting the deadline and at this point i had no say in affecting things as they were.
After going through thread i have thoughts on both:
Echelon:
Truthfully speaking, started out fine even with that completely irrelievent "Scumslip" (Once again reiterating- it's not a slip) however after those nice starting posts he moves towards really low content uninteresting posts that are completely meaningless "IM HELPING TOWN" posts that show hes posting but adds nothing to discussion vote counts.
In my experience, if I don't react strongly to accusations, no matter how inane or small, it just bogs down town because people are wasting time talking about me. I'm not mad; I just want to shut down your weak accusations now so that if you are town, we can work together without lingering misconceptions. I'm not seeking to shut down discussion, but I will be extremely dismissive towards cases on me as they are wrong, and in this case bad.
This on the other hand REALLY irks me, he says he reacts strongly to accusations and then right after we decided he wasnt as worth it and moved on he completely drops off the map again. THAT friends unlike my complete absence is scumlurk, throwing of heat and then ignoring us.
Djo:
I'm going to wait abit to call out lurking due to timezones. However he did vote me for megalurk then disappear.
One thing that bothers me this time around is believe it or not, that vote on Mementoss. He uses the excuse that he was drunk to cover it up rather than assert his position harder and back it up. It was by his words an accident, at the very least he could push it and get more reactions, there is nothing wrong in an incorrect push as it always reveals something.
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On October 11 2012 11:22 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2012 11:08 OriginalName wrote:On October 11 2012 11:05 thrawn2112 wrote:
your phone died for like 24 hours and you just now manage to make it back right at deadline? There is this wonderful thing called real life that happens to often impede on things, by the time I was free to post and take time to read my phone was dead and I had to wait until i got off my rather late shift at work and communicate with this thread. ON why the votes on djoref?
panic votes~~~
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