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On October 11 2012 06:56 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2012 06:50 thrawn2112 wrote:On October 11 2012 06:15 prplhz wrote:
Also, I wanted to ask you about kushm4sta because it seemed that you had a pretty good read on him in that last newbie game he just played. What do you want to know? So far he's playing pretty similarly to his weird/scummy town meta. I want to know what his alignment is. What the hell does this mean? "pretty similar weird scummy town meta", seriously? Can you elaborate a bit?
Ok when kush is town, he reads as scum. He says stuff that would get anyone else lynched, but he gets away with it but it's part of his meta. Therefore he can be difficult to read. There is 1 difference between his scum meta and his town meta, and that's that when he's scum there's a lot of forced emotion and unnecessary aggressiveness in his posts. When he's town he's generally more laid back. So far I'm seeing the "scummy town kush" rather than the "scummy scum kush."
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nah dude my new scum meta is to act like a really try hard scumhunter. see gsl mini mafia.
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kushm4sta why are you such a lurker
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did you not see my post on my i think daoud should go through over djodref?
but yeah i just sit here and refresh constantly and I would post more but I'm being careful not to "shit up the thread" like I always do and only post things of substance.
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I don't really get how people can be "scummy town" since being scummy should mean that you're scum or else it's not scummy and then it's more like "townie town". But I don't understand 80% of what I read so it's alright for now.
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omg LOL i get it just realized that
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I don't like either of djodref's or da0ud's posts. da0ud has contributed nothing so far, absolutely nothing. Djodref's first post was weird and seemed a little too thought out or well constructed from what I remember about his posts when he played as town He did make posts after that sharing some reads, but one thing that looks odd is his mememtoss vote.
Djo why did you vote mememtoss?
So far out of the two of them I'd rather see da0ud go through, just because he hasn't done anything at all except make weird "jokes" that may not even be jokes.
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@thrawn2112 Why are you voting me over kushm4sta?
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A) Kush is on the town side of his meta, and I know nothing about your meta. B) At the time I made that vote kush had contributed way more to the thread than you had and he was being pretty open with his thoughts. Since then you've made more posts so I'm still thinking about it.
Does unvoting working like normal? Just ##Unvote in the voting thread or something?
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You just make a new vote post, says that in the voting thread.
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So the day is ending in 3 hours. Let me make an ET inspired post. I found it very helpful.
Hoplessldr x2
Momentoss x1
Originalname x3
Austinmc x0
prplhz x2
kush x1
(lol at weed names together)
djodref x3
daoud x2
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Thrawn did you read my point about how it's a scum mentality to say that byes are at a "disadvantage"?
vote daoud IMO!
I really dont want to overrule other people's votes by voting more than once.
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I'm of the opposite mind as prplhz and kush on the double D lynch.
da0ud
I don't think first time scum (at least here) would come in, drop a post that wasn't serious, and then jet forever. I would think he'd be concerned about being found out, do something more.
His first post DOES feel kind of constructed, Hi again guys! and "Daoud" to sign out. But I think it's a post constructed by a townie. Like a scummy constructed post would be in response to a question, or would be pushing someone, or doing SOMETHING. A post that's constructed and does NOTHING doesn't point scum to me. I also think that's an important difference, and just hammering at "constructed = scum" is possibly scummy. Just like "possibly scummy" is scummy for being wishy washy...
I also think that mentioning someone might have planned for scum to be the low numbers in the game is probably not from mafia? That sounds like paranoid townie talk to me.
Djodref
I already poked at it, and HiroPro seems to see the same thing.
On October 10 2012 19:31 Djodref wrote:
Moreover, the more time we discuss about the rules we should use, the less time we have for scumhunting. It's also a golden opportunity for the mafia to look like they are participating while discussing the rules.
According to this, Hiropro and Daoud have made scummy posts so far because it looks like they want to focus the discussion of the lynch rules. Also Daoud first post came off as weird in my eyes. It looks like he's going to prepare an excuse like "I didn't understand today's lynch principle" for later. He draws a distinction between rules talk and scumhunting. But there were so many people talking about rules, and it has to happen. He singles out two, based on their open question, and based on them being "willing to spend more time discussing the lynch mechanics." I do not love that distinction (mildly scummy). I do not like that it comes after the fact. If I knew more about djodref, i'd question whether he's the sort of player to find people who ask for MORE mechanics talk scummy over people who bring it up but don't actually carry discussion forward. (He's played a newbie game? Does anyone off the top of their head know if he called anyone out for...stifling discussion? Usually asking questions and moving things forward is GOOD, even if it's about a suboptimal topic, and stopping discussion is the bad bit).
I want to see Djodref move though. I want to see prplhz move through over kush, although right now Djodref is probably my top read?
Generic "Sandroba should post more" comment.
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On October 11 2012 08:12 kushm4sta wrote:
Thrawn did you read my point about how it's a scum mentality to say that byes are at a "disadvantage"?
vote daoud IMO!
I really dont want to overrule other people's votes by voting more than once.
I also do not want to get lynched, and I am town. I view starting one step closer to lynch as a "disadvantage."
Yes, it's kind of weird phrasing, but townies don't want to get lynched either. I don't read that as really pointing one way or the other, whereas I read his comment about wanting to lynch seeds 10, 11, and 12 because they might have rigged the bracket that we have been told by mods was random as a townie thing. It shows...unhealthy paranoia about things that cannot be true?
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On October 10 2012 20:30 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 14:27 EchelonTee wrote:Hey guys, been a while. I agree with what Sandroba has been saying thus far. While I see the sensibility of HiroPro's plan (everyone votes on each matchup, 1 vote max), there are a few issues with it (which sandroba has stated somewhat). 1. It gives "credibility" to people who are knocked out early, while not forcing them to do anything significant. A good good good example of this problem was in Liar Game 1. Basically half of the people were immune to the lynch depending on a Yes or No vote; while town tried to make the immune people accountable for their actions, because they have no fear of the lynch they really have no pressure on them to do anything at all. A hilarious example is sandroba himself; despite being widely called scum since D1, because he was immune to lynch through flukes, he stayed alive for days manipulating people here and there. If we force everyone to vote on everything, the knocked out people can make random reasons for their votes and look active. However, if we don't force everyone to vote on everything, knocked out people will have to talk about things on their own prerogative, exposing their true intentions. 2. It will lead to a bunch of laundry lists of "analysis" which doesn't help anything. If people have to vote on 7+ matchups, while it will put a bunch of content into the thread, it gives an easy out for mafia to look "active". All they have to do is say something like "I like persons X, Y, and Z because of yada yada yada. I don't like person M because he only voted for 4 matchups! What's he hiding??". Basically, this plan would put a huge flood of info without much actual substance. 3. This diffuses the town's vote, making it easier for scum to do as they please. Remember, the vote is the town's strongest tool; we out number mafia's votes 9x. However if townsfolk are forced to only have one vote per matchup, then if they see someone they really think is scummy, they won't be "allowed" to stack more votes on them because of this limitation. Overall, while I do like the initiative to give structure to the voting process, ultimately I think it does more harm than good. What should happen is standard, good old fashioned scum-hunting; people should just up and state who they think is scum and put their votes to back it up. Speaking of which:
On October 10 2012 11:07 Hopeless1der wrote:On October 10 2012 11:02 thrawn2112 wrote:
policy lynch kush? I am unfamiliar with this policy. Please elaborate. On October 10 2012 11:04 prplhz wrote:
so everybody has a role or is anybody vanilla?
what if we want to lynch somebody and then he just stacks the other guy with 10 votes
also, bedtime On October 10 2012 11:00 kitaman27 wrote:
You may not vote on a match-up in which you are participating. Please feel free to pay more attention when reading. Thanks. Please feel free to post things of substance. You're being needlessly dismissive, which is strange because 1. it's very early in the game, people ask questions 2. you haven't done anything, so to put down someone else just feels off. It's been a decent amount of time in the game and you've shown that you're available; why not comment on the setup at all? I don't want you having a free pass for the rest of this tourny; I want to see you talk more. Hopeless1der 2x Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 14:32 EchelonTee wrote:
Not going to put my vote into voting thread just yet, until I'm sure of all votes for this round, to make things easier for kita.
Is the ratio of town:mafia known, or unknown? Guy, I wanted you to be town, why did you have to scum slip. For those that didn't catch it, ET implies he knows that how much more votes town has compared to mafia, implying he knows how many mafia there is. Minutes later, he asks if mafia count is known. Where did he get this number in the first place? I don't think he would just make it up out of thin air. EchelonTee x1
I've voted Mementoss because of this post. I was drunk yesterday and I thought he cast a vote in the thread without using the voting thread. At this time, ET also hadn't cast his vote on Homeless and I didn't understand his formatting reasons. I would have voted him if I could. I was totally wrong (I see it now) and I'll remove this vote.
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On October 11 2012 08:12 kushm4sta wrote:
Thrawn did you read my point about how it's a scum mentality to say that byes are at a "disadvantage"?
vote daoud IMO!
I really dont want to overrule other people's votes by voting more than once.
Yeah but it's so little to go off of and I don't think that alone would make him a better choice than djodref. Something strikes me as odd about djod's play so far this game. In his last game (town) he was this super happy friendly cutie townie, and his posts in this game seem way more thought out or crafted.
So there's Du0ud who has post almost next to nothing, but his first post was strange and mostly useless. You say there was mafia mentality behind it, but I'm not buying that that argument is as strong as you're making it out to be.
Then there's djodref.... I'm want to know why he voted memento. It looked like it might have been some type of lurker vote but there were other lurker candidates to choose from. Also as I think austin or someone else pointed out, it was weird the way he called out some people for things and not others. For example he came in saying he agreed with my post where I talked about voting policy but then he turns around and says he is suspicious of people who talk about vote policy because "the more time we discuss about the rules we should use, the less time we have for scumhunting. It's also a golden opportunity for the mafia to look like they are participating while discussing the rules." It looked like he's trying too hard to find suspicious things to point out and that is what scum have to do.
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djodref what do you think about prplhz/kush?
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Regarding the discussion about the lynch mechanics, it was the only thing which really happened in the thread when I've checked it first. I didn't like it at all. So I got suspicious of the players encouraging this discussion.
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@djodref why would someone saying who they are voting for without using the voting thread make them scummy?
If they say they are going to vote for someone then don't actually vote for them then yes that is scummy. But if they don't use the voting thread right away, that's just lazy and completely understandable from a town perspective.
Also your recent post in the voting thread did nothing. You voted for original but you already had him voted.
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On October 11 2012 08:43 Djodref wrote:
Regarding the discussion about the lynch mechanics, it was the only thing which really happened in the thread when I've checked it first. I didn't like it at all. So I got suspicious of the players encouraging this discussion.
What else are people supposed to talk about at the beginning of the game?
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