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On October 11 2012 01:10 Mementoss wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 19:48 kushm4sta wrote:
voting momentoss because he's afk and I know his reads are bad
voting original because austin has contributed way more already and he's known as a good player
voting dauod because of his weird joke that made no sense... alien invaders what?
bad reasons? yes
subject to change? definintely Show nested quote +On October 11 2012 00:06 kushm4sta wrote:
metaread on momentoss: he is this dumb as town I know that from liquid city.
also he will afk for long periods of time so we have that to look forward to. Im not going to get into a shit throwing fight with you. But please stop pretending you know anything about my meta or my activity level as town. You can click my profile if you want to actually look at my meta rather than making shit up. Kk.
Sorry! I don't mean to start a flame war. I'm just describing my metaread on you and if you don't agree with it then fine. It's my read not yours. It is what it is and it's possible you can prove me wrong but so far it's just been reinforced.
Basically I'm saying just because your reads don't make sense to me doesn't make you scum.
I'm not trying to get into a flame war here. You probably think the same of me that's fine. Carry on bro glhf
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@austin
The feeling I got from them is that they were willing to spend more time discussing the lynch mechanics.
I’ve compared them to sandroba and ET and I felt like those last ones want to close the discussion.
I don‘t think that I have said that discussing lynch mechanics is scummy. What I wanted to say is that we cannot afford to much time doing this. So the people asking for more insight on their views are scummy imo.
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On October 10 2012 14:27 EchelonTee wrote:
2. It will lead to a bunch of laundry lists of "analysis" which doesn't help anything. If people have to vote on 7+ matchups, while it will put a bunch of content into the thread, it gives an easy out for mafia to look "active". All they have to do is say something like "I like persons X, Y, and Z because of yada yada yada. I don't like person M because he only voted for 4 matchups! What's he hiding??". Basically, this plan would put a huge flood of info without much actual substance.
Hm, this is a good point. All right I'm fine with not having a clear plan and seeing what people do.
On October 11 2012 01:22 Djodref wrote:
@austin
The feeling I got from them is that they were willing to spend more time discussing the lynch mechanics.
I’ve compared them to sandroba and ET and I felt like those last ones want to close the discussion.
I don‘t think that I have said that discussing lynch mechanics is scummy. What I wanted to say is that we cannot afford to much time doing this. So the people asking for more insight on their views are scummy imo.
Except you clearly say here, that you find Daoud and I scummy for discussing lynch mechanics: According to this, Hiropro and Daoud have made scummy posts so far because it looks like they want to focus the discussion of the lynch rules.
So which one is it - did you just want rules discussion to stop or did you actually find my behavior scummy?
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On October 11 2012 01:06 Mementoss wrote:
If you think pointing out one thing and placing 1 vote (that didn't even count btw) is tunneling, well, I dont even know what to say. I don't know why everyone is getting so pissy about it. First read it came across scummy and read to me 9 townies, then afterwards I even said the 9x thing. It's not like I tried to force this vote on anyone, with attitude like this your sure to shut out discussion. This is the biggest over reaction I ever seen.
In my experience, if I don't react strongly to accusations, no matter how inane or small, it just bogs down town because people are wasting time talking about me. I'm not mad; I just want to shut down your weak accusations now so that if you are town, we can work together without lingering misconceptions. I'm not seeking to shut down discussion, but I will be extremely dismissive towards cases on me as they are wrong, and in this case bad.
This methodology works for me, and my mislynch rate is extremely low; I'll overract if it gets the job down.
You'll notice I didn't vote for you. I'm not saying "YOURE DUMB AND YOURE SCUM", I'm saying you're case was misguided and it's time to drop it, now.
On October 11 2012 01:21 kushm4sta wrote:
I'm not trying to get into a flame war here.
Good. If you want people to not see you as a policy lynch this is a good start.
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Unofficial vote count
Austin - 0
ON - 3
prplhz - 1
kush - 0
da0ud - 2
djodref - 2
1der - 2
Mementoss 1
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EBWOP: (+) means higher seed
On October 11 2012 02:21 EchelonTee wrote:
Unofficial vote count
1der(+) - 2
Mementoss 1
Austin - 0
ON(+) - 3
prplhz - 1
kush(+) - 0
da0ud(+) - 2
djodref - 2
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Well I decided to go through the current matchups since thats all our votes count for today:
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Mementoss:
Town
Hopeless1der:
Hasn't really attempted to create any discussion thus far, and is pretty lurky. Most of his content seems to be in aasking questions about the set-up. Only thing worth while he has said for an opinion has been on prplhz for role-fishing. Pretty agressive against prplhz in his first post. Reading null to me right now I hope he starts posting more discussion worthy things. He is already ahead in the voting brack and I don't have a scum read on him. Therefore I have no reason to vote him.
2.
OriginalName:
Has been active after the game has started and chose not to participate in any discussion. Other than that nothing. Seems pretty scummy. Already ahead by 3 votes, I have no reason to use a vote on him right now.
AustinMcc:
He seems to be posting openly about his thoughts about the set-up and teh game in general. My meta read on austin is he likes to play the set-up a bit heavily as town. However, he is mostly all set-up posts as of now. It's still early but later I hope he gets a bit more aggressive with his scum hunting. Still looks town to me. Don't need to vote him right now.
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prplhz:
On October 10 2012 20:02 prplhz wrote:
Big plans almost always fail but it's often a pretty good idea to talk about them anyway.
Is EchelonTee trying to vote for Hopeless1der?
I like Djodref's posting and I don't like da0ud's posting. Well, as much as you can like and dislike stuff 2 pages into the game. In any case I'm going to vote for da0ud right now. He's only gonna get one vote from me (for now) because that's enough to put him in next round.
da0ud x1
Id like to here his current opinion on this, and expand if he has a scum read on da0ud or if he thinks hes scummy and why. Or was his vote influenced on that he thinks djodref is town? His first post read very strange to me as well, asking about roles. Reading Null to me.
Kushy:
On October 11 2012 00:28 kushm4sta wrote:
I'm putting my votes down now in the voting thread and yes I'm going to vote on every matchup.
I prioritize voting bad people over good people just because I think we are more likely to catch a bad scum than a good scum today, also lynching a good town is way worse than lynching bad town.
I am also prioritizing voting for afks instead of actives.
hopeless1der x1
originalname x1
da0ud x1
I don't understand fluffy explanation lines like this. Just try to find scum and the voting will come. The rest of his filter seems to be worrying about the setup with 1 liners about his confusing and commented on everyones plans about the vote. I have only played 1 game with him, but I find it hard to read him, and don't understand where he is coming from at times. He is currently losing to prphlz, so I am going to put a vote on him in round 1. Reading a tad scummy, but I am not sure with this guy to be honest.
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On October 11 2012 00:44 Djodref wrote:I'm going to bed now and I'm going to wake up few hours before the first round deadline. I would like to say that I don't like people who are saying they are voting this one and this one but are not using the voting thread. I don't have a clear view on their motivations. So I'm going to show them the way I would like them to follow. Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 19:48 kushm4sta wrote:
voting momentoss because he's afk and I know his reads are bad
voting original because austin has contributed way more already and he's known as a good player
voting dauod because of his weird joke that made no sense... alien invaders what?
bad reasons? yes
subject to change? definintely This is an example of what I'm not going to do. On a side note, I don't like lurkers as well. ##Vote
Memento ×1
original ×1
@hopelesswould you mind explaining your gut feeling? Also I've just noticed that Kush ans ET have used the voting thread
This feels like an easy way out round 1, to not get discussion going on actual reads. Just saying Im going to vote the lurkers is a pretty lazy way for scum to get through the voting. He calls me a lurker despite having almost the same post count as me at the time of this post. He is currently reading scummy to me and I will put a vote on him despite him being currently in the lead.
Du0ad:
Opened with an awkward joke post, hasn't said anything so far, lurking hard. I hope to see him join round 1 and get some votes in. Not voting him just because I have a bit of a scum read on djoref.
##Vote:
kushm4sta x1
djoref x1
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On October 11 2012 02:16 EchelonTee wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2012 01:06 Mementoss wrote:
If you think pointing out one thing and placing 1 vote (that didn't even count btw) is tunneling, well, I dont even know what to say. I don't know why everyone is getting so pissy about it. First read it came across scummy and read to me 9 townies, then afterwards I even said the 9x thing. It's not like I tried to force this vote on anyone, with attitude like this your sure to shut out discussion. This is the biggest over reaction I ever seen. In my experience, if I don't react strongly to accusations, no matter how inane or small, it just bogs down town because people are wasting time talking about me. I'm not mad; I just want to shut down your weak accusations now so that if you are town, we can work together without lingering misconceptions. I'm not seeking to shut down discussion, but I will be extremely dismissive towards cases on me as they are wrong, and in this case bad. This methodology works for me, and my mislynch rate is extremely low; I'll overract if it gets the job down. You'll notice I didn't vote for you. I'm not saying "YOURE DUMB AND YOURE SCUM", I'm saying you're case was misguided and it's time to drop it, now. Show nested quote +On October 11 2012 01:21 kushm4sta wrote:
I'm not trying to get into a flame war here. Good. If you want people to not see you as a policy lynch this is a good start.
I'm okay with this, I was just reading it the wrong way I suppose, in a way too defense over the top matter. Clears things up though. But scum can also over react to scare people away from accusing them, or make people feel stupid for doing it. I don't have a scum tell on you any more for it anyways, reading your explanation and the situation. But at least it generated some discussion among a few.
I still don't like the way sandropa responded to it, but that seems to be the general attitude in his posting style.
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On October 11 2012 00:44 Djodref wrote:
@hopeless
would you mind explaining your gut feeling?
Also I've just noticed that Kush ans ET have used the voting thread
I'm mostly null on you both, but if a gun was to my head, I'd pick you. Both your filters are short, you had the post about how discussing vote systems could be scummy. In the same post, you also passively asked da0ud about his motivations with no reference to the fact that he's your opponent this round. It's not much, but that's why its a gut feeling on who between you two is scummier.
Something I think that is going to be important this game is availability at deadline. If you all wouldn't mind, I'd like to know how your schedules work out.
I am (in general) available around the current deadline of 19:00 MST (-07:00).
Perhaps you've already thought of this, but can subsequent lynch mechanics be added to the Description post each day with any updated deadlines?
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On October 11 2012 02:24 Mementoss wrote:Well I decided to go through the current matchups since thats all our votes count for today: 1. Mementoss: Town Hopeless1der: Hasn't really attempted to create any discussion thus far, and is pretty lurky. Most of his content seems to be in aasking questions about the set-up. Only thing worth while he has said for an opinion has been on prplhz for role-fishing. Pretty agressive against prplhz in his first post. Reading null to me right now I hope he starts posting more discussion worthy things. He is already ahead in the voting brack and I don't have a scum read on him. Therefore I have no reason to vote him. 2. OriginalName: Has been active after the game has started and chose not to participate in any discussion. Other than that nothing. Seems pretty scummy. Already ahead by 3 votes, I have no reason to use a vote on him right now. AustinMcc: He seems to be posting openly about his thoughts about the set-up and teh game in general. My meta read on austin is he likes to play the set-up a bit heavily as town. However, he is mostly all set-up posts as of now. It's still early but later I hope he gets a bit more aggressive with his scum hunting. Still looks town to me. Don't need to vote him right now. 3. prplhz: Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 20:02 prplhz wrote:
Big plans almost always fail but it's often a pretty good idea to talk about them anyway.
Is EchelonTee trying to vote for Hopeless1der?
I like Djodref's posting and I don't like da0ud's posting. Well, as much as you can like and dislike stuff 2 pages into the game. In any case I'm going to vote for da0ud right now. He's only gonna get one vote from me (for now) because that's enough to put him in next round.
da0ud x1 Id like to here his current opinion on this, and expand if he has a scum read on da0ud or if he thinks hes scummy and why. Or was his vote influenced on that he thinks djodref is town? His first post read very strange to me as well, asking about roles. Reading Null to me. Kushy: Show nested quote +On October 11 2012 00:28 kushm4sta wrote:
I'm putting my votes down now in the voting thread and yes I'm going to vote on every matchup.
I prioritize voting bad people over good people just because I think we are more likely to catch a bad scum than a good scum today, also lynching a good town is way worse than lynching bad town.
I am also prioritizing voting for afks instead of actives.
hopeless1der x1
originalname x1
da0ud x1
I don't understand fluffy explanation lines like this. Just try to find scum and the voting will come. The rest of his filter seems to be worrying about the setup with 1 liners about his confusing and commented on everyones plans about the vote. I have only played 1 game with him, but I find it hard to read him, and don't understand where he is coming from at times. He is currently losing to prphlz, so I am going to put a vote on him in round 1. Reading a tad scummy, but I am not sure with this guy to be honest. 4. Show nested quote +On October 11 2012 00:44 Djodref wrote:I'm going to bed now and I'm going to wake up few hours before the first round deadline. I would like to say that I don't like people who are saying they are voting this one and this one but are not using the voting thread. I don't have a clear view on their motivations. So I'm going to show them the way I would like them to follow. On October 10 2012 19:48 kushm4sta wrote:
voting momentoss because he's afk and I know his reads are bad
voting original because austin has contributed way more already and he's known as a good player
voting dauod because of his weird joke that made no sense... alien invaders what?
bad reasons? yes
subject to change? definintely This is an example of what I'm not going to do. On a side note, I don't like lurkers as well. ##Vote
Memento ×1
original ×1
@hopelesswould you mind explaining your gut feeling? Also I've just noticed that Kush ans ET have used the voting thread This feels like an easy way out round 1, to not get discussion going on actual reads. Just saying Im going to vote the lurkers is a pretty lazy way for scum to get through the voting. He calls me a lurker despite having almost the same post count as me at the time of this post. He is currently reading scummy to me and I will put a vote on him despite him being currently in the lead. Du0ad: Opened with an awkward joke post, hasn't said anything so far, lurking hard. I hope to see him join round 1 and get some votes in. Not voting him just because I have a bit of a scum read on djoref. ##Vote: kushm4sta x1
djoref x1
I really like the idea of having everyone do this. Every matchup, who you prefer to see go on, WHY you prefer that, even if you don't vote them because you don't need to. This post alone makes me want to send hopeless1der to the next round in your bracket.
I can't vote in my matchup, prefer to see ON sent on.
I'd like to see prphlz's thoughts on the double D matchup. He gave an initial read based on their first posts. Has now asked ET about that matchup, without providing any more thoughts on his own. Not sure on the prplhz/kush matchup atm.
Right now leaning Djoref on the last matchup, but would like to see da0ud answer as to whether his entire first post was a joke, or certain parts were serious (Besides the people with byes have a better chance to be lynched, which is true but not an opinion or anything...just pointing out something that's true).
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Hmmm. I will try a different route.
Sir prpl of the hz,
Please be so kind as to tell us who you want to advance in each matchup and why. Do take extra care with the double D matchup.
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Gonna throw out a vote for prplhz because out of prplhz and kush, kush has contributed more and has shared way more of his thoughts. Also this post struck me as weird:
On October 10 2012 20:02 prplhz wrote:
Big plans almost always fail but it's often a pretty good idea to talk about them anyway.
Is EchelonTee trying to vote for Hopeless1der?
I like Djodref's posting and I don't like da0ud's posting. Well, as much as you can like and dislike stuff 2 pages into the game. In any case I'm going to vote for da0ud right now. He's only gonna get one vote from me (for now) because that's enough to put him in next round.
da0ud x1
He asks that question about ET... it looks like he asking a question in order to cast some suspicion on ET but he doesn't say why he thinks ET's vote was suspicious. And as for his vote for da0ud, he spends more time giving justifications for the vote than reasons why he's suspicious of da0ud.
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On October 11 2012 05:20 thrawn2112 wrote:Gonna throw out a vote for prplhz because out of prplhz and kush, kush has contributed more and has shared way more of his thoughts. Also this post struck me as weird: Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 20:02 prplhz wrote:
Big plans almost always fail but it's often a pretty good idea to talk about them anyway.
Is EchelonTee trying to vote for Hopeless1der?
I like Djodref's posting and I don't like da0ud's posting. Well, as much as you can like and dislike stuff 2 pages into the game. In any case I'm going to vote for da0ud right now. He's only gonna get one vote from me (for now) because that's enough to put him in next round.
da0ud x1 He asks that question about ET... it looks like he asking a question in order to cast some suspicion on ET but he doesn't say why he thinks ET's vote was suspicious. And as for his vote for da0ud, he spends more time giving justifications for the vote than reasons why he's suspicious of da0ud.
I was confused about what EchelonTee was trying because it wasn't in regular voting format and I hadn't seen the explanation of the non-standard vote formatting. I have no idea how to respond to the rest because it's crazy talking. You are interpreting a simple question as an evil scum plan of manipulation.
Also, I wanted to ask you about kushm4sta because it seemed that you had a pretty good read on him in that last newbie game he just played.
On October 11 2012 00:35 EchelonTee wrote:
This game is going to be fun, heh.
Hopeless1der x1
Djodref x1
What's going to be fun about this game? This sounds constructed to me so I'd like you to explain what you meant.
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About Djodref and da0ud
I have a strong town read on Djodref right now pretty much because of his very first post.
On October 10 2012 11:56 Djodref wrote:
Hello guys !
I'm just dropping by because it's my lunch break now and I've just seen the game had begun already.
For those who don't know it already, I'm a French guy and I work in Korea ^^
It's my second mafia game on a forum (I've just been cop on the NMM XVIII game) so I just hope to have better reads than last time.
I'm on a business trip right now so I don't have much time but I'll my best to catch up tonight.
I didn't put so much thoughts in the lynch rules but it looks easy for scum to avoid a lynch imo by voting their concurents in the early stages of the championship.
He thinks it looks easy for scum to avoid a lynch which isn't something that scum think. It's a 96 hour day1 and they're pretty much forced to give reads on everybody, no tunneling. I think that this looks hard for scum and scum must feel a lot worse off. This is the clearest town tell in anybody for me so far.
In da0ud's first post:
On October 10 2012 13:24 da0ud wrote:
Hi again guys !
Happy to be here with ya all !
I am french leaving in HK and pretty bored at work currently so this game will have my full attention. This is my first MAFIA game on a chat thread, but I have played a lot with real friends in real life. So it should be pretty cool.
One first guess on the voting system is that people who are already given a BYE from first round are at a disadvantage (cause they have one less chance to be out) and on top of that they are higher seeded hence at a second disadvantage in case of 0-0 tie. Pretty unfair isn't it.
I guess it must have been a master plan from the Alien Invaders who put themselves all as the lowest seeded people. I would put focus on eliminating players number 10, 11 and 12 this round if possible.
What do you guys think ?
At least i am trying to put a lead on who is what....
Daoud.
I think this looks like a classic scum jokey wobby post. Especially the bolded part.
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OriginalName v austinmcc, this is pretty clear as OriginalName isn't around and I don't want that. austinmcc posted alright so far and I'll take someone who wants to play over someone who doesn't any time. OriginalName should advance.
Hopeless1der v Mementoss is also clear since Hopeless1der's posts look a lot more constructed and fake than Mementoss'. Mementoss' isn't afraid to pick a small fight with EchelonTee and sandroba and he's showing some of the townie paranoia and curiosity. Hopeless1der to advance.
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Yeah daoud vs djodref..
I'm on team djodref meaning I vote for daoud to advance.
Daoud's post just seems so awkward. Admittedly a lot of this is probably because English isn't his first language. But the awkwardness goes beyond that.
His alien joke makes no sense I don't care what language he thought up the joke in.
His concern about the bye:
He's right, that getting a bye makes it easier for you to be lynched. But he calls it a "disadvantage." Scum would be more likely to think of it this way. He is not approaching the bracket as an opportunity to catch scum, but as a trial to avoid lynch. He has the natural fear of a scum.
He is my #1 scum read right now and I definitely want him to go through.
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On October 11 2012 06:15 prplhz wrote:
Also, I wanted to ask you about kushm4sta because it seemed that you had a pretty good read on him in that last newbie game he just played.
What do you want to know? So far he's playing pretty similarly to his weird/scummy town meta.
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On October 11 2012 06:50 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2012 06:15 prplhz wrote:
Also, I wanted to ask you about kushm4sta because it seemed that you had a pretty good read on him in that last newbie game he just played. What do you want to know? So far he's playing pretty similarly to his weird/scummy town meta.
haha what? in what newbie game did thrawn have a good read on me?
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On October 11 2012 06:50 thrawn2112 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2012 06:15 prplhz wrote:
Also, I wanted to ask you about kushm4sta because it seemed that you had a pretty good read on him in that last newbie game he just played. What do you want to know? So far he's playing pretty similarly to his weird/scummy town meta.
I want to know what his alignment is.
What the hell does this mean? "pretty similar weird scummy town meta", seriously? Can you elaborate a bit?
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On October 11 2012 06:54 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2012 06:50 thrawn2112 wrote:On October 11 2012 06:15 prplhz wrote:
Also, I wanted to ask you about kushm4sta because it seemed that you had a pretty good read on him in that last newbie game he just played. What do you want to know? So far he's playing pretty similarly to his weird/scummy town meta. haha what? in what newbie game did thrawn have a good read on me?
lol I think he might have been talking about the game I cohosted in which I already knew your alignment... but yeah I was kinda confused about what answer he wanted from the question too
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