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In case of 0-0 what exactly is higher seed? Does 11 advance over 6 or is it the other way around?
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
Or was it? In case of 0-0 what exactly is higher seed? Does 11 advance over 6 or is it the other way around? | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On October 10 2012 11:07 Hopeless1der wrote: I am unfamiliar with this policy. Please elaborate. It's a policy based upon him making posts like the following where his posts are thick with scummy justifications/ reasoning but he doesn't care because he likes having a "scummy meta." His play relies on him intentionally playing into the fact that he has a scummy meta and that's bs. On October 10 2012 19:48 kushm4sta wrote: voting momentoss because he's afk and I know his reads are bad voting original because austin has contributed way more already and he's known as a good player voting dauod because of his weird joke that made no sense... alien invaders what? bad reasons? yes subject to change? definintely | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On October 10 2012 20:02 prplhz wrote:Is EchelonTee trying to vote for Hopeless1der? I think he was saying that he's not going to actually vote until he's figured out exactly how he wants to spend all of his votes. The reasoning being that it'll make it easier on the cohosts. That's a nice sentiment and all and no offense to the mods, but that statement did sound a little scummy. But did you think it looked scummy? | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On October 10 2012 14:32 EchelonTee wrote: Not going to put my vote into voting thread just yet, until I'm sure of all votes for this round, to make things easier for kita. Is the ratio of town:mafia known, or unknown? Unknown On October 10 2012 20:04 prplhz wrote: Since day1 is 4 rounds of 24 hours each does that mean that we get a full 96 hours for day1? Yep On October 10 2012 20:08 prplhz wrote: Okay that was unnecessary since da0ud has higher seed... Whatevs. Or was it? In case of 0-0 what exactly is higher seed? Does 11 advance over 6 or is it the other way around? 6 is the higher seed and would advance. | ||
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
On October 10 2012 14:27 EchelonTee wrote: Hey guys, been a while. I agree with what Sandroba has been saying thus far. While I see the sensibility of HiroPro's plan (everyone votes on each matchup, 1 vote max), there are a few issues with it (which sandroba has stated somewhat). 1. It gives "credibility" to people who are knocked out early, while not forcing them to do anything significant. A good good good example of this problem was in Liar Game 1. Basically half of the people were immune to the lynch depending on a Yes or No vote; while town tried to make the immune people accountable for their actions, because they have no fear of the lynch they really have no pressure on them to do anything at all. A hilarious example is sandroba himself; despite being widely called scum since D1, because he was immune to lynch through flukes, he stayed alive for days manipulating people here and there. If we force everyone to vote on everything, the knocked out people can make random reasons for their votes and look active. However, if we don't force everyone to vote on everything, knocked out people will have to talk about things on their own prerogative, exposing their true intentions. 2. It will lead to a bunch of laundry lists of "analysis" which doesn't help anything. If people have to vote on 7+ matchups, while it will put a bunch of content into the thread, it gives an easy out for mafia to look "active". All they have to do is say something like "I like persons X, Y, and Z because of yada yada yada. I don't like person M because he only voted for 4 matchups! What's he hiding??". Basically, this plan would put a huge flood of info without much actual substance. 3. This diffuses the town's vote, making it easier for scum to do as they please. Remember, the vote is the town's strongest tool; we out number mafia's votes 9x. However if townsfolk are forced to only have one vote per matchup, then if they see someone they really think is scummy, they won't be "allowed" to stack more votes on them because of this limitation. Overall, while I do like the initiative to give structure to the voting process, ultimately I think it does more harm than good. What should happen is standard, good old fashioned scum-hunting; people should just up and state who they think is scum and put their votes to back it up. Speaking of which: Please feel free to post things of substance. You're being needlessly dismissive, which is strange because 1. it's very early in the game, people ask questions 2. you haven't done anything, so to put down someone else just feels off. It's been a decent amount of time in the game and you've shown that you're available; why not comment on the setup at all? I don't want you having a free pass for the rest of this tourny; I want to see you talk more. Hopeless1der 2x On October 10 2012 14:32 EchelonTee wrote: Not going to put my vote into voting thread just yet, until I'm sure of all votes for this round, to make things easier for kita. Is the ratio of town:mafia known, or unknown? Guy, I wanted you to be town, why did you have to scum slip. For those that didn't catch it, ET implies he knows that how much more votes town has compared to mafia, implying he knows how many mafia there is. Minutes later, he asks if mafia count is known. Where did he get this number in the first place? I don't think he would just make it up out of thin air. EchelonTee x1 | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
 ratio. Is there anything else you find scummy about ET because that "slip" doesn't look like anywhere near a good enough reason to vote for him. | ||
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thrawn2112
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
@prpl You are my best scum read so far, how do you feel about that <3 @mementoss Don't be stupid. Town# > Mafia# by default. That's the dumbest shit I've read so far and let me tell you there is plenty dumb shit about. | ||
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + @ET 9 to 3 would 3x as many votes BTW | ||
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
On October 10 2012 20:40 sandroba wrote: @da0ud Yes, those people are at disavantage. How is that relevant to who is scum or not? @prpl You are my best scum read so far, how do you feel about that <3 @mementoss Don't be stupid. Town# > Mafia# by default. That's the dumbest shit I've read so far and let me tell you there is plenty dumb shit about. He had a specific number in mind, don't be stupid read the quote. Of course town > mafia or we already would have lost. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
On October 10 2012 20:46 sandroba wrote: You don't have to vote anyone right now. You have however many votes you want (max 10). You misrepresented ET impossible ratio quote so somehow he knew the mafia number which we don't know yet so you can vote ET. Yes, that's dumb. why are you so mad/ defensive of 1 vote on ET? I don't have to vote, but Im sure as hell not going to ask your permission who/when to vote. I will vote when I see things that warrant a vote, or to push my scum reads to the next round. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
On October 10 2012 20:42 Mementoss wrote:Than realizes shit, if I don't ask about this in the thread, it will come back to haunt me cause it will look even worse. + Show Spoiler + @ET 9 to 3 would 3x as many votes BTW That's the only part of it that makes me suspicious of ET. Asking for a specific scum/town ratio is stupid because a mod will never give you the answer so it doesn't seem like a question someone would ask unless they have ulterior motives behind asking the question. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
On October 10 2012 20:40 sandroba wrote: @da0ud Yes, those people are at disavantage. How is that relevant to who is scum or not? @prpl You are my best scum read so far, how do you feel about that <3 @mementoss Don't be stupid. Town# > Mafia# by default. That's the dumbest shit I've read so far and let me tell you there is plenty dumb shit about. I think that's weird. Why do you think I'm scum? | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5262 Posts
On October 10 2012 20:21 thrawn2112 wrote: I think he was saying that he's not going to actually vote until he's figured out exactly how he wants to spend all of his votes. The reasoning being that it'll make it easier on the cohosts. That's a nice sentiment and all and no offense to the mods, but that statement did sound a little scummy. But did you think it looked scummy? I'm not changing my 2 votes from 1der unless something absolutely crazy happens (which it won't); I'm only not putting my votes down now for formatting reasons, nothing more. I do admit it looks strange, if you want to call me scum for that then whatever; the following things I'm going to mention is complete bullcrap in comparison. On October 10 2012 20:54 thrawn2112 wrote: That's the only part of it that makes me suspicious of ET. Asking for a specific scum/town ratio is stupid because a mod will never give you the answer so it doesn't seem like a question someone would ask unless they have ulterior motives behind asking the question. Asking for a scum/town ratio is not stupid, tyvm. It's common even in closed setups for the specific ratio to be known; I've only played in one game where this isn't the case. On October 10 2012 20:30 Mementoss wrote: + Show Spoiler + On October 10 2012 14:27 EchelonTee wrote: Hey guys, been a while. I agree with what Sandroba has been saying thus far. While I see the sensibility of HiroPro's plan (everyone votes on each matchup, 1 vote max), there are a few issues with it (which sandroba has stated somewhat). 1. It gives "credibility" to people who are knocked out early, while not forcing them to do anything significant. A good good good example of this problem was in Liar Game 1. Basically half of the people were immune to the lynch depending on a Yes or No vote; while town tried to make the immune people accountable for their actions, because they have no fear of the lynch they really have no pressure on them to do anything at all. A hilarious example is sandroba himself; despite being widely called scum since D1, because he was immune to lynch through flukes, he stayed alive for days manipulating people here and there. If we force everyone to vote on everything, the knocked out people can make random reasons for their votes and look active. However, if we don't force everyone to vote on everything, knocked out people will have to talk about things on their own prerogative, exposing their true intentions. 2. It will lead to a bunch of laundry lists of "analysis" which doesn't help anything. If people have to vote on 7+ matchups, while it will put a bunch of content into the thread, it gives an easy out for mafia to look "active". All they have to do is say something like "I like persons X, Y, and Z because of yada yada yada. I don't like person M because he only voted for 4 matchups! What's he hiding??". Basically, this plan would put a huge flood of info without much actual substance. 3. This diffuses the town's vote, making it easier for scum to do as they please. Remember, the vote is the town's strongest tool; we out number mafia's votes 9x. However if townsfolk are forced to only have one vote per matchup, then if they see someone they really think is scummy, they won't be "allowed" to stack more votes on them because of this limitation. Overall, while I do like the initiative to give structure to the voting process, ultimately I think it does more harm than good. What should happen is standard, good old fashioned scum-hunting; people should just up and state who they think is scum and put their votes to back it up. Speaking of which: Please feel free to post things of substance. You're being needlessly dismissive, which is strange because 1. it's very early in the game, people ask questions 2. you haven't done anything, so to put down someone else just feels off. It's been a decent amount of time in the game and you've shown that you're available; why not comment on the setup at all? I don't want you having a free pass for the rest of this tourny; I want to see you talk more. Hopeless1der 2x On October 10 2012 14:32 EchelonTee wrote: Not going to put my vote into voting thread just yet, until I'm sure of all votes for this round, to make things easier for kita. Is the ratio of town:mafia known, or unknown? Guy, I wanted you to be town, why did you have to scum slip. For those that didn't catch it, ET implies he knows that how much more votes town has compared to mafia, implying he knows how many mafia there is. Minutes later, he asks if mafia count is known. Where did he get this number in the first place? I don't think he would just make it up out of thin air. EchelonTee x1 Heh, living up to my town meta yet again I suppose. (always get accused when I'm town D1, never get accused when I'm scum). While cute that you would accuse me for appearing to "know more about the setup", there is almost no way that the ratio of votes is actually 9x, as you yourself pointed out. No number is even close to that (either 1:11 or 2:10 doesn't work with normal voting mechanics). Therefore, you are making the assumption that I have to be either blue or red without even considering that maybe, just maybe I put down that 9x number randomly? Unless you really think that I am such a poor player that I would either 1. reveal my roles knowledge of votes, or 2. blatantly reveal mafia's knowledge of votes. Excuse the language, but that is completely fracking stupid; that 9x number is completely numerically impossible, and the fact that you are using the random number I threw out as reason to be suspicious is absolutely terrible. And you can't even vote for me this round! You are literally misdirecting town on a terrible lead with the reasoning that "shucks this is as good a reason to vote R1 as anything". No, it's a terrible reason, multiplied by the fact that you are wasting our limited 24 hour time on a person you can't vote on. Care to talk about the people we actually need to vote on? IDGAF if you want to tunnel me as long as you also talk about the stuff that actually matters, which you have failed to do. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
Asking for a ratio is stupid?? No? It's a really important piece of information if we are allowed to have it. I would assume 3 scum as would anyone else who is familiar with the usual ratios. I think a mod would sometimes give you the ratio, just because there's only 1 that's common when there are 12 people. K now for this: On October 10 2012 20:12 thrawn2112 wrote: It's a policy based upon him making posts like the following where his posts are thick with scummy justifications/ reasoning but he doesn't care because he likes having a "scummy meta." His play relies on him intentionally playing into the fact that he has a scummy meta and that's bs. What is scummy about that? How about you actually say what is scummy instead of just quoting it and saying it's scummy let's lynch. I would argue it's not scummy. If i had to pick votes now that is what they would be. The reasons are bad simply because I don't have that much to go on yet. | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5262 Posts
As it stands da0ud, OriginalName (ON), 1der, and kush are advancing. You best put votes down if you want to change this in anyway. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
also he will afk for long periods of time so we have that to look forward to. | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5262 Posts
If you don't, I'm going to put 1x votes on prplhz, austin, and 1der. For 1der, I've already stated why. For prplhz/austin, they are being way too floaty/neutral atm, I need a better read on you guys, AKA I don't want you having immunity. | ||
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