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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On October 10 2012 11:00 kitaman27 wrote: Please ensure you format your votes correctly as described in the voting thread. Voting Thread? How does Unvoting work with today's lynch mechanics? derp | ||
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OriginalName
Canada1140 Posts
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On October 10 2012 11:25 OriginalName wrote: Just for clarification, the champion is lynched correct? Yes | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
On October 10 2012 11:04 prplhz wrote: so everybody has a role or is anybody vanilla? what if we want to lynch somebody and then he just stacks the other guy with 10 votes also, bedtime You can ONLY vote in matchups you are not participating in, and you can vote in ANY matchup is not yours. If you look at it carefully it is very similar to a normal lynch, which the guy who gets more votes overall gets lynched in the end. The cool part about this mechanic is that you get to pressure vote people early on so they don't get a free pass on the lynch. And of course we ought to notice scum trying to make sure their buddies escape the lynch and trying to incriminate others. The real optimization problem this round for town is to make sure all candidates we might want to lynch move on to the next round while using the minimum amount of votes. For that we have to discuss it prior to voting and make sure we are all in the same page. | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
So I think everyone should be voting for each matchup - there shouldn't be a matchup that you don't vote in (so only use 1 vote on each matchup, not more) and if you acquire more votes than there are matchups left for you to vote in, you don't use the excess votes. Now two reasons to do this - one is accountability - no one should be allowed to withold their opinion on a matchup and not say who they think is more likely to be scum (merely announcing it isn't good enough, a vote is more solid and carries actual weight). That's why you use only 1 vote on each matchup - then you can't say that you don't have any votes left to take a stand with. The reason to not use excess votes is simple - the people who will acquire excess votes are those who pass through in matchups and are considered more likely to be scum - there is no reason for these people to have more voting power than others. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
On October 10 2012 11:37 kushm4sta wrote: So for the first round do we just vote for who we think is the worse player? IE voting original over austin? No, and you are lucky that's not the case because judging by this assumption alone you would probably have a high chance off being nominated. Obviously the objective of this and every other round is to make sure people we think are scummy (not bad) still are available as a lynch option. | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
On October 10 2012 11:37 kushm4sta wrote: So for the first round do we just vote for who we think is the worse player? IE voting original over austin? Vote for who you think is scum... | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
I like hiropro's plan, mainly because it makes everything much simpler. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
On October 10 2012 11:42 HiroPro wrote: Ok, so the way I see it everyone has at most 10 matchups to vote on, and depending on how many times you advance you may have less (some might only have 7). So I think everyone should be voting for each matchup - there shouldn't be a matchup that you don't vote in (so only use 1 vote on each matchup, not more) and if you acquire more votes than there are matchups left for you to vote in, you don't use the excess votes. Now two reasons to do this - one is accountability - no one should be allowed to withold their opinion on a matchup and not say who they think is more likely to be scum (merely announcing it isn't good enough, a vote is more solid and carries actual weight). That's why you use only 1 vote on each matchup - then you can't say that you don't have any votes left to take a stand with. The reason to not use excess votes is simple - the people who will acquire excess votes are those who pass through in matchups and are considered more likely to be scum - there is no reason for these people to have more voting power than others. That poses the problem that people that got a pass on round one are highly unlikely to be lynched, even if the majority thinks they are more likely scum. We shoulds just openly discuss who we want in round 2 and make sure they get there with the minimum amount of votes invested. We do this process every round and in the end we can get anyone we want lynched. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
On October 10 2012 11:48 sandroba wrote: That poses the problem that people that got a pass on round one are highly unlikely to be lynched, even if the majority thinks they are more likely scum. We shoulds just openly discuss who we want in round 2 and make sure they get there with the minimum amount of votes invested. We do this process every round and in the end we can get anyone we want lynched. I assume you mean people that got a bye round 1. I don't get what you are saying. If someone that got a bye r1 are considered scummy, then everyone can give their 1 vote to them instead of the person they are against. I don't see how getting a bye makes it less likely you will advance. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
I'm just dropping by because it's my lunch break now and I've just seen the game had begun already. For those who don't know it already, I'm a French guy and I work in Korea ^^ It's my second mafia game on a forum (I've just been cop on the NMM XVIII game) so I just hope to have better reads than last time. I'm on a business trip right now so I don't have much time but I'll my best to catch up tonight. I didn't put so much thoughts in the lynch rules but it looks easy for scum to avoid a lynch imo by voting their concurents in the early stages of the championship. | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
On October 10 2012 11:48 sandroba wrote: That poses the problem that people that got a pass on round one are highly unlikely to be lynched, even if the majority thinks they are more likely scum. We shoulds just openly discuss who we want in round 2 and make sure they get there with the minimum amount of votes invested. We do this process every round and in the end we can get anyone we want lynched. I don't understand. Why would that be more of a problem with my plan? No matter what we do, 4 people are going to be ineligible for lynch after the first round. How does using the minimum amount of votes make it more likely for us to get the person we want lynched? What happens if a matchup is tied | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On October 10 2012 11:56 HiroPro wrote: I don't understand. Why would that be more of a problem with my plan? No matter what we do, 4 people are going to be ineligible for lynch after the first round. How does using the minimum amount of votes make it more likely for us to get the person we want lynched? What happens if a matchup is tied Higher Seed advances to the next round. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On October 10 2012 11:57 JingleHell wrote: Higher Seed advances to the next round. Higher seed for 0-0 ties. First to reach critical mass for all other ties. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
At least that's the way I understand it. Do the votes get reset after each round? | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
On October 10 2012 12:00 kushm4sta wrote: I really hate sandroba's idea on lynching with the minimum amount of votes needed for each person. Seems complicated, manipulable. I vote hiropro's plan. It's not lynching with minimum votes, it's getting to rounds that matter the most with the maximum amount of votes. Anyway if the votes get reset than I have to rethink it. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On October 10 2012 12:02 sandroba wrote: Do the votes get reset after each round? Not quite sure what you are asking, but a vote for a player in round one will not carry over to round two. You have 10 votes to use throughout all four rounds. For example, you could use 2 votes round one, 3 round two, and 5 round three. | ||
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