EPTI could easily see there being a role in the game that can influence lynches. Vote stealing, doublevoting, or a mechanic that interacts with lynches in some other way. I don't want to go with any kind of plan that relies on the slimmest possible margin, and would rather us have a little wiggle room to ensure that things proceed as we want them to.
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
I could easily see there being a role in the game that can influence lynches. Vote stealing, doublevoting, or a mechanic that interacts with lynches in some other way. I don't want to go with any kind of plan that relies on the slimmest possible margin, and would rather us have a little wiggle room to ensure that things proceed as we want them to. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
Which is probably a good thing. | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
What do you think about that? I think this way is harder to blend in, because you can't justify your vote as "I have to decide between these 2". Each vote you cast you must have a reasoning behind it, but you can't cast multiple votes in one round and manipulate the results too much. That way we can observe who is interested in the lynch and give more weight to the reasons behind each vote. | ||
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da0ud
Hong Kong252 Posts
Happy to be here with ya all ! I am french leaving in HK and pretty bored at work currently so this game will have my full attention. This is my first MAFIA game on a chat thread, but I have played a lot with real friends in real life. So it should be pretty cool. One first guess on the voting system is that people who are already given a BYE from first round are at a disadvantage (cause they have one less chance to be out) and on top of that they are higher seeded hence at a second disadvantage in case of 0-0 tie. Pretty unfair isn't it. I guess it must have been a master plan from the Alien Invaders who put themselves all as the lowest seeded people. I would put focus on eliminating players number 10, 11 and 12 this round if possible. What do you guys think ? At least i am trying to put a lead on who is what.... Daoud. | ||
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da0ud
Hong Kong252 Posts
Hence it is like us having unlimited number of votes, isn't it ? | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
On October 10 2012 13:24 da0ud wrote: Hi again guys ! Happy to be here with ya all ! I am french leaving in HK and pretty bored at work currently so this game will have my full attention. This is my first MAFIA game on a chat thread, but I have played a lot with real friends in real life. So it should be pretty cool. One first guess on the voting system is that people who are already given a BYE from first round are at a disadvantage (cause they have one less chance to be out) and on top of that they are higher seeded hence at a second disadvantage in case of 0-0 tie. Pretty unfair isn't it. I guess it must have been a master plan from the Alien Invaders who put themselves all as the lowest seeded people. I would put focus on eliminating players number 10, 11 and 12 this round if possible. What do you guys think ? At least i am trying to put a lead on who is what.... Daoud. Hey. Is this to be taken serious? Are you missing the point of the game or making a joke? | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5262 Posts
I agree with what Sandroba has been saying thus far. While I see the sensibility of HiroPro's plan (everyone votes on each matchup, 1 vote max), there are a few issues with it (which sandroba has stated somewhat). 1. It gives "credibility" to people who are knocked out early, while not forcing them to do anything significant. A good good good example of this problem was in Liar Game 1. Basically half of the people were immune to the lynch depending on a Yes or No vote; while town tried to make the immune people accountable for their actions, because they have no fear of the lynch they really have no pressure on them to do anything at all. A hilarious example is sandroba himself; despite being widely called scum since D1, because he was immune to lynch through flukes, he stayed alive for days manipulating people here and there. If we force everyone to vote on everything, the knocked out people can make random reasons for their votes and look active. However, if we don't force everyone to vote on everything, knocked out people will have to talk about things on their own prerogative, exposing their true intentions. 2. It will lead to a bunch of laundry lists of "analysis" which doesn't help anything. If people have to vote on 7+ matchups, while it will put a bunch of content into the thread, it gives an easy out for mafia to look "active". All they have to do is say something like "I like persons X, Y, and Z because of yada yada yada. I don't like person M because he only voted for 4 matchups! What's he hiding??". Basically, this plan would put a huge flood of info without much actual substance. 3. This diffuses the town's vote, making it easier for scum to do as they please. Remember, the vote is the town's strongest tool; we out number mafia's votes 9x. However if townsfolk are forced to only have one vote per matchup, then if they see someone they really think is scummy, they won't be "allowed" to stack more votes on them because of this limitation. Overall, while I do like the initiative to give structure to the voting process, ultimately I think it does more harm than good. What should happen is standard, good old fashioned scum-hunting; people should just up and state who they think is scum and put their votes to back it up. Speaking of which: On October 10 2012 11:07 Hopeless1der wrote: I am unfamiliar with this policy. Please elaborate. Please feel free to pay more attention when reading. Thanks. Please feel free to post things of substance. You're being needlessly dismissive, which is strange because 1. it's very early in the game, people ask questions 2. you haven't done anything, so to put down someone else just feels off. It's been a decent amount of time in the game and you've shown that you're available; why not comment on the setup at all? I don't want you having a free pass for the rest of this tourny; I want to see you talk more. Hopeless1der 2x | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5262 Posts
On October 10 2012 12:18 austinmcc wrote: Gonna drop in to start being a good little paranoid townie. I could easily see there being a role in the game that can influence lynches. Vote stealing, doublevoting, or a mechanic that interacts with lynches in some other way. I don't want to go with any kind of plan that relies on the slimmest possible margin, and would rather us have a little wiggle room to ensure that things proceed as we want them to. Please talk more, you are good player, which makes this floater post suspect; I expect substance from you ^^ | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5262 Posts
Is the ratio of town:mafia known, or unknown? | ||
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EchelonTee
United States5262 Posts
On October 10 2012 13:12 sandroba wrote: k, then we can do one vote per match up. Or I could suggest even better, so you are more accountable for each vote you cast. You don't have to vote for each match up, but you may only cast ONE vote in each match up. What do you think about that? I think this way is harder to blend in, because you can't justify your vote as "I have to decide between these 2". Each vote you cast you must have a reasoning behind it, but you can't cast multiple votes in one round and manipulate the results too much. That way we can observe who is interested in the lynch and give more weight to the reasons behind each vote. Elaborate why only one vote per matchup is better than variable votes? I definitely agree with not forcing everyone to vote for every matchup, but I don't exactly see why not allowing people to use all their votes is beneficial. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
On October 10 2012 14:43 EchelonTee wrote: Elaborate why only one vote per matchup is better than variable votes? I definitely agree with not forcing everyone to vote for every matchup, but I don't exactly see why not allowing people to use all their votes is beneficial. On October 10 2012 13:53 sandroba wrote: To be honest no plan is required, since votes don't carry over and are open for everyone to see. Maybe letting things be will leave scum much more easily identifyable. By allowing people to vote as they please we allow them to expose their motives. I agree with you. Or you agree with me. W/e <3 | ||
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da0ud
Hong Kong252 Posts
On October 10 2012 14:18 sandroba wrote: Hey. Is this to be taken serious? Are you missing the point of the game or making a joke? Indeed, this was not to be taken seriously. However, I am not sure why receiving a BYE on first round would not make you more likely to be lynched in the end. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
I think giving ourselves rules for voting is going to give mafia an opportunity to blend in and/or to take advantages of these rules. I guess it should be ok if we just vote for the people we find scummy. Moreover, the more time we discuss about the rules we should use, the less time we have for scumhunting. It's also a golden opportunity for the mafia to look like they are participating while discussing the rules. According to this, Hiropro and Daoud have made scummy posts so far because it looks like they want to focus the discussion of the lynch rules. Also Daoud first post came off as weird in my eyes. It looks like he's going to prepare an excuse like "I didn't understand today's lynch principle" for later. @Daoud What was your motivation for your first post ? | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
voting original because austin has contributed way more already and he's known as a good player voting dauod because of his weird joke that made no sense... alien invaders what? bad reasons? yes subject to change? definintely | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
Is EchelonTee trying to vote for Hopeless1der? I like Djodref's posting and I don't like da0ud's posting. Well, as much as you can like and dislike stuff 2 pages into the game. In any case I'm going to vote for da0ud right now. He's only gonna get one vote from me (for now) because that's enough to put him in next round. da0ud x1 | ||
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prplhz
Denmark8045 Posts
Since day1 is 4 rounds of 24 hours each does that mean that we get a full 96 hours for day1? | ||
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