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marvellosity
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
Leave layabout. You can't draw any conclusions from those 2 posts besides that he seems to think about things that are happening instead of accepting everything. In my book, it is a town thing to do. I have no idea why WBG thinks he is scum. Probably many modkills incoming, but keep your eyes on BM and GGQ who either said nothing so far or made one post. | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
On July 17 2012 18:43 syllogism wrote: That doesn't confirm they are actually real though, because in some setups with nukes anyone can "launch" a nuke but only real ones are actually lethal. It seems like an amazing coincidence for the person kurumi nuked to also have nukes. Nuke me. Why are you scared of trying it out? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
Little things: On July 17 2012 06:42 HiroPro wrote: No I don't believe this. The directors can only "send orders to one minion every half cycle." Quite willing to quote the OP when he's disproving someone else's point, but On July 16 2012 22:10 HiroPro wrote: The way I see it is in this setup, even if mafia has only 1 KP (and I would think 2 is more likely), 1 for 1 trades are good for them due to the sheer number of people they have. hasn't read it enough to know mafia KP is set at 1 from the OP as well. His behaviour with the random nuke thingy is bad as well. HiroPro is not Chezinu so I do not know why he was 'joking around' with pretending to nuke BH. I see no town motivation for this but the scum motivation of causing confusion and pulling out a town block is clear enough (lol jokes! isn't a defence). On July 17 2012 01:56 HiroPro wrote: Yes. I waited for BH to respond to Probulous/sandroba and he's acted scummy in his response. Says he holds his vote all the time ---> places a vote 11 hours into Day 1 on the back of sandroba saying BH is 'artificial'. BlazingHand things: I remember reading scumQT in Magic mini where Hiro said he was basically just going to tunnel Navillus. Anyway, at first he seems unsure what's scummy about BH: On July 16 2012 22:12 HiroPro wrote: What about BH? Is it that he's basically disregarded Probulous's questioning? But once sandroba calls him scum, Hiro is all over it. On July 17 2012 01:38 HiroPro wrote: I agree with sandroba: BH's posting looks very artificial. His reasoning for ignoring Probulous doesn't make sense: Probulous's question is not invalid just because BH switched targets. And his logic for thinking that sandroba/syllo are scum is laughable. ##Vote Blazinghand Regarding the bold, here and in the posts below I bold some of the reasoning for Hiro's vote. A lot of it seems to be of the thrust that BH is illogical, without ever explaining why illogical has to mean scummy. So in the post above we have "doesn't make sense" and "laughable". On July 17 2012 02:07 HiroPro wrote: It's not my case -_- But BH voted strangely in his switch from Chezinu to MZ (the position that he took on Chezinu was pretty much a pressure to get him to change his style yet when MZ did something very similar, BH considers it scummy (yes I see the FoS without calling scum thing, I don't consider it very strong at all: I don't think anyone is arguing that Chezinu is scum - more that his playstyle is good for scum and bad for town)). He ignored Probulous for an illogical reason. And the way in which he's posting makes it seem as if he's coming up with reasons for his actions after he actually does them. I don't have a strong read on MZ. He seems to be sincere in his dislike of the way Chezinu/q-bert are playing but it's a position that is fairly easy for scum to take too. Voting strangely... illogical reason. There's no explanation of the scum agenda. Same with "makes it seem as if he's coming up with reasons for his actions after he actually does them" - why is this a scumtell? Is it not true that mafia will give their posts more thought at the time rather than just posting blather and having to make up shit to excuse it later? Also for everything he actually stresses in this post "it's not my case". This seems like a weak sidestepping of responsibility. In short I don't like his given reasoning for going after BH, he doesn't try to demonstrate any scummy agenda. I asked wbg how you scumhunt scummily, and this is it. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22630 Posts
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
You are right, there is no reason not to test this theory ##nuke Kurumi | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22630 Posts
I guess it ties into why I thought RL was an excellent idea in this game. The difference between this game and any other game is that there is no inter-mafia communication. They cannot decide, or bounce ideas on how to react to the suggestion, so all it would've taken to really turn up the heat was for a few townies to roll with me on the idea. The main characteristic of a mafia player in this game is not going to be pushing an agenda or scheming, but much rather complete focus on surviving on their own. This is exactly what the random lynch plays out on, the fear of getting killed as a player. I initially had some concerns about marvel, but I never felt anything conclusive. And I just read through the part of the thread where he's attempting to use role pm formatting to confirm players. Even if we assume mafia got fake pms, it's still probably something he's more likely to do as town. So with nothing else on him, I don't think he's scum atm. More stuff coming up. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22630 Posts
Now, asking people questions is generally good, but MZ has played with me enough times to understand that if I'm not going to answer something, I just don't. Nothing he can do can change that. If I'm intent on trolling, I will troll, and you can't do shit about it. He should be familiar with my personality now, so while someone like syllo just assumed I was trolling and ignored the issue, MZ kept harping on about getting me to respond. Why would he do this? Not only is it an excellent way to contribute without ever risking contributing anything, because he was never going to get an answer for me, it's also a good set up for a later attack on me. | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On July 17 2012 22:44 Palmar wrote: The main characteristic of a mafia player in this game is not going to be pushing an agenda or scheming, but much rather complete focus on surviving on their own. This is exactly what the random lynch plays out on, the fear of getting killed as a player. I've been thinking about the setup and I think Palmar nails it here. Basically everyone beside 3 CEOs are uninformed majority, and even they only know a fraction of their whole team. Thus all scum will be scared of pushing / lynching / hitting each other ala shooting GGQ in sleeper II, and so more than anything they will be focusing on survival. BH fits this mold. WBG explains here. ##Vote: BlazingHand | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22630 Posts
Sloosh Sandroba Probulous HiroPro Foolishness VisceraEyes Bill Murray Gonzaw Meapak_Ziphh Supersoft austinmcc Wherebugsgo Katina syllogism GGQ Blazinghand Chezinu Kurumi rastaban Mattchew marvellosity risk.nuke Q-bert-Z RebirthofLegend Palmar Zealos Thank me later. | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
On July 17 2012 23:06 Palmar wrote: layabout Sloosh Sandroba Probulous HiroPro Foolishness VisceraEyes Bill Murray Gonzaw Meapak_Ziphh Supersoft austinmcc Wherebugsgo Katina syllogism GGQ Blazinghand Chezinu Kurumi rastaban Mattchew marvellosity risk.nuke Q-bert-Z RebirthofLegend Palmar Zealos Thank me later. fixed that for ya | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22630 Posts
On July 17 2012 23:19 syllogism wrote: Palmar do you seriously think I'm mafia? yeah. | ||
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syllogism
Finland5948 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
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Palmar
Iceland22630 Posts
On July 17 2012 23:15 marvellosity wrote: Palmar why do you think BH is town? I share a lot of his initial reads and opinions. using his block against chezinu says nothing about his alignment as it's the only way he can respond, although I guess waiting for a mod to confirm the nuke would've been smarter. But I don't think BH is particularly smart, but he's loud and useful. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36156 Posts
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rastaban
United States2294 Posts
On July 17 2012 23:23 Palmar wrote: I share a lot of his initial reads and opinions. using his block against chezinu says nothing about his alignment as it's the only way he can respond, although I guess waiting for a mod to confirm the nuke would've been smarter. But I don't think BH is particularly smart, but he's loud and useful. Don't you think though as town he would have blocked the one on RoL when he learned Kurumi was mafia? | ||
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