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On July 17 2012 16:09 Chezinu wrote:
Hey guys, do you remember when people did not believe than a non-clue game would work? Do you remember what happened after a few non-clue games were hosted? Behavior analysis was proven to be true..
Hey guys, do you remember when people use to think a random lynch was a good idea? Do you remember what happened after a few nukes when off? Nukes were proven to be true..
Hey guys, do you remember when people use to think that Chezinu was unreadable? Do you remember what happened after people tried to analyze Chezinu? Chezinu was proven to be Chezinu..
Chezinu is Truth.
Layabout
Bill Murray
austinmcc
GGQ
My friends, you need to speak up more. I must say my suspicions are rising because of your lack of contribution. Especially GGQ, who has been around and still not contributed.
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On July 17 2012 17:02 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 15:51 Chezinu wrote:
WBG FTW!!!
Your sanity eases my mind. I've been trying to kill blazinghand since the very begining of this game. First I attempt to send a minion to kill him, but that ended up failing. what the penis
I thought you wanted my ego to grow..
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On July 17 2012 10:21 wherebugsgo wrote:
Syllo almost immediately takes Palmar's claim that q bert is sinani seriously. As town he would at least question this initially. Palmar indeed says that he believes qbert to be sinani based off a /whois on IRC tracing to a Verizon IP, which is in itself rather unreliable because Verizon is a pretty popular ISP in the United States. I myself didn't find Palmar's "evidence" quite convincing given that qbert doesn't even sound like sinani.
However, syllo apparently trusts Palmar's word based on the "if he were mafia he would have no interest in doing this" which is obviously false in this setup. I don't think syllo is that stupid as town to come to such a faulty conclusion on relatively flimsy evidence.
I actually immediately knew what Palmar's method was, assuming he wasn't trolling. There was no reason whatsoever for me not to take it seriously. You are also misinterpreting in the second paragraph, I just said that outing a smurf is a slightly townie move but obviously nothing conclusive. I also said that was the only thing pointing towards him being town.
At least one out of probulous and foolishness is mafia because it's exceedingly unlikely for both of them to be this wrong based on similarly hilariously faulty reasoning.
Why is everyone switching off kurumi? What makes you believe the nukes are all real? Did someone besides RoL attempt to nuke?
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It's a shame I'm going to have to spend the whole day actually playing this because there is no way I'm ever getting lynched as town, even in a game with 9 mafia.
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Also Foolishness reasons for considering palmar town are incredibly amusing, you can't seriously believe that. Average post length is concrete?
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the nukes are modconfirmed. both kurumis and rols nukes were followed up by a modpost saying that they will go down at the end of the day. if this turns out to be trolling by the hosts we can still lynch kurumi tomorrow right?
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On July 17 2012 18:41 supersoft wrote:
the nukes are modconfirmed. both kurumis and rols nukes were followed up by a modpost saying that they will go down at the end of the day. if this turns out to be trolling by the hosts we can still lynch kurumi tomorrow right?
That doesn't confirm they are actually real though, because in some setups with nukes anyone can "launch" a nuke but only real ones are actually lethal. It seems like an amazing coincidence for the person kurumi nuked to also have nukes.
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so you propose to lynch the potential nuke target? with the risk to lose a lynch and no benefits at all except lynching kurumi one day earlier if the nuke is fake?
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i however admit it's an uncommon coincidence... but as i pointed out, i see no need to rush things and risk a lynch
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On July 17 2012 16:17 Foolishness wrote:
Yes I'm a bit bitter at the moment. He prodded two people so far and hasn't followed up anywhere. Instead he's been spending his time responding to my posts (not an issue) and downplaying all of Katina's posts (is an issue). The case is built upon the similarity to Responsibility Mafia, where he played a passive game and put jibber jabber in most of his posts. The question asking is more pronounced and noticable when he's mafia.
Why is this an issue and is this actually true? It's not; I've made maybe one post that could be characterized as that, the others were downplaying your posts and trying to find out what exactly she liked about them. Even if that was a true, what relevance that has to do with my alignment? Your do not appear to be willing to re-evaluate anything based on the input you are getting and you keep distorting to build your "cases", which makes you not only wrong, but likely maliciously wrong.
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On July 17 2012 15:32 sandroba wrote:
People let me make something clear. There is NO case on syllo so far. We are not lynching him this early period. You all will be able to tell 100% if syllo is town or scum by day 3-4. I really don't understand how so many people can be so sure he is scum at this point, it's like something that build up momentum out of the blue with no real evidence behind it.
btw I tend to agree on that. We push syllo in a corner and we really don't get much information from that. Right now I am more suspicious of the people that sheep foolishness.
I will think about BH, MZ and the more unremarkable guys.
(like risk.nuke)
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On July 17 2012 12:35 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 12:25 wherebugsgo wrote:
Well, if he were town, he would have used his block power to block Kurumi from nuking RoL, since Kurumi's nuke was mod-confirmed BEFORE Chezinu used ##nuke in the thread. Kurumi being scum doesn't mean RoL is town. Even if Kurumi is one of the managers, he still has very little idea who he's actually shooting, and RoL isn't exactly captain mctownerson to begin with. *I*, on the other hand, am 100% confirmed town (to myself).
I think every time I have used this logic of "I know I am 100% town" I have been scum. I actually don't ever recall seeing anyone use this as town.
##Vote: BlazingHand
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On July 17 2012 13:51 rastaban wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 13:33 Mattchew wrote:On July 17 2012 13:29 rastaban wrote:
Sylo also looks like a good target, and while his actions are Scummy I recommend the Ace method, when two people both look like scum start by lynching the player you have more content on. We can give Sylo till tomorrow to improve if need be, and lynch this scum BH he has so much content and it all points one way How are his actions scummy? His stance and comments on Probulous are a red flag for me, combine that with Foolishnes and WBG's arguments and I think he starts looking like a great secondary candidate. It isn't conclusive, thats why I would like to move him to spot #2 and hopefully pull some proponents from his lynch onto BH who is scummier and give Sylo a day to see if he will shape up.
I too want you to elaborate on this. Do you disagree with what I said about probulous? If so, why? What stance?
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On July 17 2012 19:08 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 12:35 Blazinghand wrote:On July 17 2012 12:25 wherebugsgo wrote:
Well, if he were town, he would have used his block power to block Kurumi from nuking RoL, since Kurumi's nuke was mod-confirmed BEFORE Chezinu used ##nuke in the thread. Kurumi being scum doesn't mean RoL is town. Even if Kurumi is one of the managers, he still has very little idea who he's actually shooting, and RoL isn't exactly captain mctownerson to begin with. *I*, on the other hand, am 100% confirmed town (to myself). I think every time I have used this logic of "I know I am 100% town" I have been scum. I actually don't ever recall seeing anyone use this as town. ##Vote: BlazingHand
I've used that logic on myself several times as town. I also feel like we might have overtunneled BH for a few fairly weak reasons and given the mafia players an easy free lynch.
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On July 17 2012 19:55 Zealos wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 19:08 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:On July 17 2012 12:35 Blazinghand wrote:On July 17 2012 12:25 wherebugsgo wrote:
Well, if he were town, he would have used his block power to block Kurumi from nuking RoL, since Kurumi's nuke was mod-confirmed BEFORE Chezinu used ##nuke in the thread. Kurumi being scum doesn't mean RoL is town. Even if Kurumi is one of the managers, he still has very little idea who he's actually shooting, and RoL isn't exactly captain mctownerson to begin with. *I*, on the other hand, am 100% confirmed town (to myself). I think every time I have used this logic of "I know I am 100% town" I have been scum. I actually don't ever recall seeing anyone use this as town. ##Vote: BlazingHand I've used that logic on myself several times as town. I also feel like we might have overtunneled BH for a few fairly weak reasons and given the mafia players an easy free lynch.
... which reasons are weak? Who would you prefer?
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I feel ok about either a BH or syllogism lynch right now.
syllogism because despite being called out, he fails to subsequently do something. There's pitter patter about whether the nukes are real (?) and whining at Foolishness but that's about it. What gets me a little is that I don't quite get why a scum syllo wouldn't at least try to provide something for the thread
BlazingHand is now looking like a decent lynch too. wbg's grilling of him reminded me extremely heavily of how I like to pressure someone I find suspect to gauge their reactions. I don't mind THAT much the reflexive *block* on its own. But BH seems to tie himself up in knots regarding how he views (or doesn't) Chezinu. For this he sounds like a squirmy scum. I also like the thrust of the tonality argument against him.
Regarding layabout I keep hoping he'll pop up and actually post some shit. Actually I don't mind at all that he was quizzical about how sandroba played his card, what I do mind is that it's not surrounded or supported by anything else.
As a sidenote, I found it really odd that Foolishness was sure originally a scum Palmar wouldn't suggest no-lynch (disproved by gonzaw). I often have a go at people for them trying to say how scum would or wouldn't act (Zentor is an easy example), but... Foolishness isn't Zentor. Dunno where I'm going with this.
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EBWOP: suggest a random lynch, not a no-lynch >.<
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What do you mean I fail to do something? Not only I had done more than the vast majority of players before "being called out", I've done things since that. In case it's not clear, I'm saying that foolishness isn't just wrong, but wrong in manner that is likely malicious; i.e. he is mafia. It is not "whining" at all. It's probably not optimal to lynch him today as I'm not entirely confident in my read as I may be somewhat biased due to knowing my alignment.
Look at what foolishness has done so far besides tunnelling me based on a very weak case. He keeps ignoring other subjects of interest until he is poked about them and the few reads he has shared besides me are even worse supported. He initially thought palmar was town for suggesting random lynch and when presented evidence that disproved that, he didn't really re-evaluate, but justified his "town read" by claiming palmar's average post length is how you determine whether he is town or mafia.
In liar game Foolishness correctly identified palmar as mafia, but not even once used that as even supporting evidence for his read in that game. Furthermore, look at what he says here
The issue is that it's still too early to tell with Palmar, but as I said I think he's town. I hadn't realized that he did that as mafia and as town when I said that.
If you want something more concrete, when Palmar is mafia his average post length is longer than when he's town. I used iGrok's and BC's game as comparison (even though Palmar was 3rd party in BC's game he was effectively town). BC's game he one liners his way to victory with the occasional two paragraph post. In iGrok's game the two paragraph post comes out every few posts or so. What's he done so far this game? One liners.
If you want something even more concrete, wait until like day 3. If his filter is 3 pages, then he's scum, if it's greater than 6 pages he's town. That's the failsafe "is Palmar mafia?" proof.
It doesn't even make sense; he says palmar posts are longer when he is mafia but then says as town his filter will be longer. I suppose the implication here is that town palmar posts are shorter but he is spammier, but palmar hasn't posted much yet in this game. Futhermore, why is he ignoring the content of palmar's posts and instead focuses on this laughable palmar "scum tell", which of course won't even be accurate in this game after he publicly announces that. He basically wants to give palmar a pass until day 3 and then use this laughable method to determine his alignment. The pattern in foolishness posting so far in this game is that his reasoning has been uncharacteristically weak.
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On July 17 2012 21:28 syllogism wrote:What do you mean I fail to do something? Not only I had done more than the vast majority of players before "being called out", I've done things since that. In case it's not clear, I'm saying that foolishness isn't just wrong, but wrong in manner that is likely malicious; i.e. he is mafia. It is not "whining" at all. It's probably not optimal to lynch him today as I'm not entirely confident in my read as I may be somewhat biased due to knowing my alignment. Look at what foolishness has done so far besides tunnelling me based on a very weak case. He keeps ignoring other subjects of interest until he is poked about them and the few reads he has shared besides me are even worse supported. He initially thought palmar was town for suggesting random lynch and when presented evidence that disproved that, he didn't really re-evaluate, but justified his "town read" by claiming palmar's average post length is how you determine whether he is town or mafia. In liar game Foolishness correctly identified palmar as mafia, but not even once used that as even supporting evidence for his read in that game. Furthermore, look at what he says here Show nested quote +The issue is that it's still too early to tell with Palmar, but as I said I think he's town. I hadn't realized that he did that as mafia and as town when I said that.
If you want something more concrete, when Palmar is mafia his average post length is longer than when he's town. I used iGrok's and BC's game as comparison (even though Palmar was 3rd party in BC's game he was effectively town). BC's game he one liners his way to victory with the occasional two paragraph post. In iGrok's game the two paragraph post comes out every few posts or so. What's he done so far this game? One liners.
If you want something even more concrete, wait until like day 3. If his filter is 3 pages, then he's scum, if it's greater than 6 pages he's town. That's the failsafe "is Palmar mafia?" proof. It doesn't even make sense; he says palmar posts are longer when he is mafia but then says as town his filter will be longer. I suppose the implication here is that town palmar posts are shorter but he is spammier, but palmar hasn't posted much yet in this game. Futhermore, why is he ignoring the content of palmar's posts and instead focuses on this laughable palmar "scum tell", which of course won't even be accurate in this game after he publicly announces that. He basically wants to give palmar a pass until day 3 and then use this laughable method to determine his alignment. The pattern in foolishness posting so far in this game is that his reasoning has been uncharacteristically weak.
No it wasn't clear and I find your post quite interesting.
What do you think of Katina saying Foolishness was scum earlier in the game and later apparently totally reversing it, saying she liked his post on you?
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She didn't really "totally reverse it" since she mentions in the very same post that she isn't sure about foolishness. I don't see anything in her filter particularly suspicious and don't think she is a good target today. I would like to hear her thoughts on foolishness though as she promised to say something about him.
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