EPTOn July 17 2012 11:17 Mattchew wrote:
WBG can you explain to me your read on Katina?
WBG can you explain to me your read on Katina?
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Mattchew
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rastaban
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
On July 17 2012 13:29 rastaban wrote: Sylo also looks like a good target, and while his actions are Scummy I recommend the Ace method, when two people both look like scum start by lynching the player you have more content on. We can give Sylo till tomorrow to improve if need be, and lynch this scum BH he has so much content and it all points one way How are his actions scummy? | ||
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Katina
United States454 Posts
I did go back and take another look at Mattchew's filter though. He's only going after me because I'm an easy target (Liar game is proof of that. In that game three different Mafia members went after me) It's evident that his case against me was incredibly forced and makes little sense this is seen because nobody agrees with it. People like WBG know my play very well so if his case had any value it would be sure that these people (WBG, VE, etc) would be commenting on it. He hasn't done anything this game besides tunnel me and attempt to nuke BM. That's a very questionable move in itself. To answer WBG's questions, I'm not sure about VE yet. I will let you know what I take a look at him. I will get back to you on Foolishness. | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
On July 17 2012 13:39 Katina wrote: Gah, I guess his filter really doesn't have anything. Even when I compared it to past games my intuition still strongly tells me he's Mafia. My intuition hasn't let me down yet. I assure you that as soon as I can demostrate he is Mafia accurately I will. I did go back and take another look at Mattchew's filter though. He's only going after me because I'm an easy target (Liar game is proof of that. In that game three different Mafia members went after me) It's evident that his case against me was incredibly forced and makes little sense this is seen because nobody agrees with it. People like WBG know my play very well so if his case had any value it would be sure that these people (WBG, VE, etc) would be commenting on it. He hasn't done anything this game besides tunnel me and attempt to nuke BM. That's a very questionable move in itself. To answer WBG's questions, I'm not sure about VE yet. I will let you know what I take a look at him. I will get back to you on Foolishness. Yeah testing nukes on someone who hasn't posted and I would normally be ok with policy lynching sure is questionable! I've also posted reads on people like BH, MZ and others while trying to stimulate discussion and push people for their reasons, but fuck that, I have only tunneled you | ||
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rastaban
United States2294 Posts
His stance and comments on Probulous are a red flag for me, combine that with Foolishnes and WBG's arguments and I think he starts looking like a great secondary candidate. It isn't conclusive, thats why I would like to move him to spot #2 and hopefully pull some proponents from his lynch onto BH who is scummier and give Sylo a day to see if he will shape up. | ||
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Katina
United States454 Posts
On July 17 2012 13:44 Mattchew wrote: Yeah testing nukes on someone who hasn't posted and I would normally be ok with policy lynching sure is questionable! I've also posted reads on people like BH, MZ and others while trying to stimulate discussion and push people for their reasons, but fuck that, I have only tunneled you I really like how you convinently appear whenever I do. You haven't post reads on others nearly to the extent that you have on me. I would hardly call what you have been doing as generating dicussion. I think people have even forgotten that you were in the game. No one every says anything to you or about you. | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
On July 17 2012 13:51 rastaban wrote: His stance and comments on Probulous are a red flag for me, combine that with Foolishnes and WBG's arguments and I think he starts looking like a great secondary candidate. It isn't conclusive, thats why I would like to move him to spot #2 and hopefully pull some proponents from his lynch onto BH who is scummier and give Sylo a day to see if he will shape up. What exactly about his stance and comments on Probulous. Can you quote something and explain why its scummy to you | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
On July 17 2012 13:56 Katina wrote: I really like how you convinently appear whenever I do. You haven't post reads on others nearly to the extent that you have on me. I would hardly call what you have been doing as generating dicussion. I think people have even forgotten that you were in the game. No one every says anything to you or about you. Just because no one talks to me doesnt mean I'm not trying to help discussions. People probably ignore me cause foolishness says so | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
I ignored this on purpose. I don't want to reveal my stance on Katina, but for now I do not think she is a good lynch. I am with sandro on this. (If it isn't apparent by now, I'm pretty much in accordance with almost everything sandro has said so far. If you are town I would highly suggest you read through his posts. Come to your own conclusions by all means, but do not ignore his opinions if they conflict with your own) | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
Current thoughts: I want to sheep sandroba and WBG this game. Are nukes simply vig shots that resolve at end of cycle? And blocks are lock-on actions (can't switch targets)? Cause BH's block makes no sense, and he claimed to have one and used it on Chez's troll nuke. Hopefully by tomorrow afternoon I'll have caught up and able to comment on syllo, layabout etc. | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
On July 17 2012 02:27 sandroba wrote: Palmar why are you playing like ass right now. Surely you can do better than this. Even as scum I expected more from you. On July 17 2012 02:31 sandroba wrote: Why in hell are you still talking about this. Isn't there anything more productive for you to comment on? What exactly are you looking for me to take from sandroba's filter that I haven't already commented on? | ||
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risk.nuke
Sweden2825 Posts
On July 17 2012 12:31 wherebugsgo wrote: who cares if he's pushing someone else who you also think is scum? Scum will do that in this game because it serves their interests best. Part of my whole "let syllo find scum" bit is that you can actually almost trust reads given by scum in this game. It means you ignore things you would normally count as town tells (i.e. if they push a scum then you don't count it as a town tell) however you CAN take everyone's pushes seriously because everyone in the game has an interest in finding scum. In other words establishing yourself as town takes more effort but everyone's scumhunting can be taken at least partially seriously. This is unlike other games where establishing yourself as town is fairly easy because not everyone's scumhunting can be taken seriously. wbg gets it | ||
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risk.nuke
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
Wait, Palmar tried to follow RL in iGrok's game yes (austin mentioned this I think)....but he was scum that game I'm so fucking surprised at Mattchew and Foolishness that they assumed Palmar was town in that game and posted his RL thing with good intentions in mind...when he didn't.....because he was scum. I'm more surprised at Mattchew for using it as evidence to shit on Katina. I would have thought a townie would check something twice if they'll use it as evidence someone else is scum. I'll recheck Mattchew tomorrow, but I see him not caring about shit and posting sporadically, plus his first attack on Katina screamed of "picking an easy target". About Palmar himself, he did that RL thing in iGrok's game and he was scum. I don't see him doing shit this game, it's likely he's scum as well. However I don't know if he'd risk using his RL site thing 2 times in a row as scum both times, it seems obvious to me that someone would notice the similarity (I'm baffled how nobody noticed it to be honest, specially people that played in that game too, like VE and MZ). I wouldn't mind lynching him, he's not doing shit and that seems to be his scum meta these days. About Foolishness/syllogism I can't shake that feeling they are both scum. I've read syllogism posts and I did get that feeling he's just trying to appear pro-town while not contributing himself. Him accusing Prob for making that post 1 minute into D1 seems so fake. I don't think a town syllo would actually believe that or accuse him like he did without either changing his mind or following up on it He seemed pretty aggressive against Meapak, Katina and others, but just in an "accusatory" tone of his post that doesn't help town at all but helps create more confusion by casting suspicion on many people. I think he's scum since I didn't see syllo act like this in Liar Game. He was more intent on getting information from people, not shit on people, cast suspicion and not try to shit things up. The thing is that I get the feeling Foolishness is scum too :/ I didn't see the conviction from him in that 1st post of his. He was just babbling about lots of people in 1 or 2 sentences casting doubt all around without explaining himself one single bit. Although I kind of agree with his case on syllo, although he spends too much time focusing on "giving advice" when he hasn't done much like that in this game and has more incriminating stuff. The way he posts is not usual town Foo' either, where he tries to make sense of stuff and actually lead town. Also I would have thought Foolishness had read iGrok's game, or at least known Palmar was scum there. About laya: I don't think laya was casting doubt on the claim but rather trying to get an answer from sandro (on why he wasted his ability). I don't get why some people think killing him should be a priority over people like syllo/FOolishness or even Palmar and stuff. Now that I'm at it: ##Vote: Syllogism On July 17 2012 11:20 Blazinghand wrote: WBG, after some thought, I agree with you. Although syllogism strikes me as scummy, Layabout is irredeemably so. Examining his filter (link) I cannot in good conscience NOT vote him. This is a big game and he's trying to skate by. Syllogism's posting history, while unfavorably comparable with the droppings of a flock of diuretic parrots, greatly outdoes Layabout's simply on strength of its existene. Layabout is trying to skate by. We can't let that happen. ##unvote ##vote: layabout Wait you come out of lurking to jump on a wagon on a guy with 2 votes that aren't even that scummy to begin with? Also BH, you said that you blocked Chezinu's "nuke" because he was targeting it at you...but why didn't you try to do anything when you figured out Kurumi was scum? Why didn't you block his nuke there or tried to tell town about it to consider it or something? Here: On July 17 2012 07:32 Blazinghand wrote: welp ##unvote ##vote: Kurumi Tomorrow we lynch Syllo But fuck it's too late, I'll read your filter tomorrow. About Kurumi: Wow it doesn't get any easier than this, lol I really should have read the thread before commenting before  (I thought the nuke was done in PM or something and thought Kurumi claimed he used the nuke himself) The only weird thing that could happen is sandro being CEO or Manager and Kurumi being his actual minion/Manager (most likely Manager->Minion). In that case the CEO is either him or knows him so he won't be killed by scum (even if other minions want to kill him). He could live for pretty long under "confirmed town" status. It's unlikely though, I've read his posts and he doesn't seem like scum, since he's trying to "break the setup" like he does as town. On July 17 2012 06:52 Kurumi wrote: I will say it again: If I were mafia, when I got this message there should be someone crumbing those words earlier. I was the first person to do that. Why would a Director/CEO NOT do that? Meh. Ehmm..you mean if you and sandro were mafia right? If you are mafia and sandro is town and he tricked you into outing yourself and you fell for it there's no contradiction... For fucks sake that took me like 3 hours, fucking hell. | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
About layabout I don't think laya was casting doubt on the claim but rather trying to get an answer from sandro (on why he wasted his ability). Here is the entirety of layabouts filter On July 17 2012 06:32 layabout wrote: If sandroba can message people why did he reveal his power after outing a single player that he could have pushed without revealing his power? On July 17 2012 07:00 layabout wrote: Sandro why did you claim that you could trick mafia into revealing themselves when you had only tricked one player? PSA: No talking to kurumi and spamming up the thread! Firstly, he assumes Sandro can send more than one message per day, or alternatively that he will live overnight. Given he has outed a scum that is highly unlikely. We all know Sandro is a deadly when on form so I would be surprised if he lives till tomorrow (he even stated as much). More damning though is that layabout didn't even bother to follow up on his question. I can understand forgetting a question here and there (it's a busy thread) but his only contribution this whole game has been to question the validity of Sandro's claim. It serves no purpose, especially that Kurumi has confirmed Sandro's claim. In addition, bugs correctly pointed out that layabout is very vocal when he is town. I played with him in Werewolves and he was killed early because he was way too calm and clear. He lurked a lot in my other game with him when we were both mafia (Wiggles Mini II). There isn't much to go on but what is there is pretty bad. I agree that Syllo is a better lynch but there is a decent case on laya. | ||
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Q-bert-Z
United States75 Posts
On July 17 2012 14:50 gonzaw wrote: For fucks sake that took me like 3 hours, fucking hell. On July 17 2012 04:03 gonzaw wrote: Holy shit I've read the voting thread and its chaotic as fuck. On July 17 2012 06:58 gonzaw wrote: This mass vote-swing towards Kurumi is suspicious as fuck Dude. It's a game. Getting tired of this. Save your swearing for when it's warranted, and keep the town environment a little friendlier. | ||
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Foolishness
United States3044 Posts
On July 17 2012 14:50 gonzaw wrote: About Palmars RL thingy: Wait, Palmar tried to follow RL in iGrok's game yes (austin mentioned this I think)....but he was scum that game I'm so fucking surprised at Mattchew and Foolishness that they assumed Palmar was town in that game and posted his RL thing with good intentions in mind...when he didn't.....because he was scum. I'm more surprised at Mattchew for using it as evidence to shit on Katina. I would have thought a townie would check something twice if they'll use it as evidence someone else is scum. I'll recheck Mattchew tomorrow, but I see him not caring about shit and posting sporadically, plus his first attack on Katina screamed of "picking an easy target". About Palmar himself, he did that RL thing in iGrok's game and he was scum. I don't see him doing shit this game, it's likely he's scum as well. However I don't know if he'd risk using his RL site thing 2 times in a row as scum both times, it seems obvious to me that someone would notice the similarity (I'm baffled how nobody noticed it to be honest, specially people that played in that game too, like VE and MZ). I wouldn't mind lynching him, he's not doing shit and that seems to be his scum meta these days. The issue is that it's still too early to tell with Palmar, but as I said I think he's town. I hadn't realized that he did that as mafia and as town when I said that. If you want something more concrete, when Palmar is mafia his average post length is longer than when he's town. I used iGrok's and BC's game as comparison (even though Palmar was 3rd party in BC's game he was effectively town). BC's game he one liners his way to victory with the occasional two paragraph post. In iGrok's game the two paragraph post comes out every few posts or so. What's he done so far this game? One liners. If you want something even more concrete, wait until like day 3. If his filter is 3 pages, then he's scum, if it's greater than 6 pages he's town. That's the failsafe "is Palmar mafia?" proof. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On July 17 2012 15:18 Q-bert-Z wrote: Dude. It's a game. Getting tired of this. Save your swearing for when it's warranted, and keep the town environment a little friendlier. smells like GMarshal On July 17 2012 14:33 Mattchew wrote: wbg. He finds syllo kinda suspicous but doesnt really post any reason, wants to lynch BH and "outted" Kurumi. Am I missing something? I disagree with his read on BH. I think Kurumi is like dead or something.... I am still all for MZ lynch (he included him in his list of Palmar/syllo/MZ but hasn't really commented on MZ or Palmar other than + Show Spoiler + On July 17 2012 02:27 sandroba wrote: Palmar why are you playing like ass right now. Surely you can do better than this. Even as scum I expected more from you. On July 17 2012 02:31 sandroba wrote: Why in hell are you still talking about this. Isn't there anything more productive for you to comment on? What exactly are you looking for me to take from sandroba's filter that I haven't already commented on? it's more than just his reads, it's how he thinks that is important. If you believe Katina is scum then now is not the time to push her lynch. There isn't much about her that is particularly suspicious at this moment in time. On July 17 2012 13:17 Probulous wrote: Bugs the issue I have with your case is that it rests on BH having the mental fortitude to stop and actually think about the situation. It would be awefully tempting to straight up stop a nuke heading your way. Yes waiting until confirmation from the mods would have been the best play, that or stopping Kurumi's nuke, or both. He clearly responded rashly but whether it is town rash protecting their ass, or scum rash protecting their ass, I'm not sure. As for taking Chezinu seriously, he may make crazy obfuscating posts but there is some nuggets of info in there. People troll but that doesn't mean you can't take their actions seriously. yes, it rests on BH not being stupid. I realize that. I often am wrong because I overestimate the skill of others, but I'd rather consider them competent first. Also, I called him ignorant but ignorant is different from stupid. BH I don't believe is stupid. He hasn't chosen to read the thread thoroughly, which makes him ignorant of many players and events, but it also reflects on his motivation. I think a town BH at the very least would read properly and I really don't think he would use the defense of "but layabout is a troll" as town to try to make sense of his block usage. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On July 17 2012 05:22 Foolishness wrote: Everyone should ignore Mattchew. He's so far off topic that I'm even going to do this Ace style: Ignore List: Mattchew Chezinu - does anyone honestly ever read his posts? Syllogism is mafia. Non-committal stances, doesn't even want to defend himself. Someone needs to redirect that nuke at marvellosity. And the next time Kurumi uses the phrase "actively lurking" someone should shoot him. And before someone asks, Palmar is town. Mafia never propose stupid things like random lynches day 1. ##Vote: syllogism From some of the earliest posts in the thread it's obvious Chezinu is not to be taken seriously. Yet BH's defense is that he took Chezinu seriously because he didn't come off as a troll (highly unbelievable) Anyway, Foolishness kinda ninjaed me here but I want to hear from you Mr PCP: You didn't answer my question: what do you think of Katina? How would you advise me about reading VE? | ||
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