EPTWe need to confirm that RoL actually nuked kurumi and if he did we lynch either BH or laya, I'm cool with both.
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sandroba
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We need to confirm that RoL actually nuked kurumi and if he did we lynch either BH or laya, I'm cool with both. | ||
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wherebugsgo
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678¤tpage=30#585 So let's kill BH/layabout, yeah? Which do you think is better? I lean on BH atm. | ||
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Probulous
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wherebugsgo
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The last two posts before that were addressed to you (about your question on my case on BH) | ||
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Foolishness
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##Unvote: Kurumi ##Vote: syllogism Also forgot to mention a few things. syllogism I pointed out that you weren't defending yourself because quite a few people were pointing fingers at you and you basically just ignored them all or cast them aside. I give you some benefit of the doubt cause I ignore people when they stupidly accuse me as well, but it definitely did not seem appropriate to just hand wave everyone away at the time. Regardless this is not the crux of my argument nor is it really even necessary at this point to elaborate further on it. To bugs, I'm pretty sure Katina is town. Can't really say I agree with her on her reads, but she's making more than 2 posts a cycle and genuinely shows an interest. | ||
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sandroba
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Yeah I kind of want to kill BH too. Thing about laya that bothers me is that I didn't think mafia would be balsy enough to do what he just did. His filter is certainly lacking, but it is so obviously suspicious that I wonder if mafia wouldn't be more careful. | ||
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Foolishness
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On July 17 2012 15:32 sandroba wrote: People let me make something clear. There is NO case on syllo so far. We are not lynching him this early period. You all will be able to tell 100% if syllo is town or scum by day 3-4. I really don't understand how so many people can be so sure he is scum at this point, it's like something that build up momentum out of the blue with no real evidence behind it. We need to confirm that RoL actually nuked kurumi and if he did we lynch either BH or laya, I'm cool with both. Nuke going off isn't confirmation enough? And if I can tell syllogism is mafia now why should I wait? I figured out he was mafia in Responsibility before I died (and I died night 2 that game I believe). | ||
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Probulous
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On July 17 2012 15:29 wherebugsgo wrote: also, his claim of "ignorance" based on never playing with Chezinu (him telling me to check his history, for example) doesn't fly when people post stuff like this: From some of the earliest posts in the thread it's obvious Chezinu is not to be taken seriously. Yet BH's defense is that he took Chezinu seriously because he didn't come off as a troll (highly unbelievable) I see that and I understand where you are coming from here. I just think there is a difference between someone pushing a case on you and someone shooting a nuke at you. I have never played with Chez but if he sent a nuke my way my first thought would not be that it's fake. I'll have another read of him, and some of his older games to get a better idea. He sin't someone I get a read on easily. You didn't answer my question: what do you think of Katina? Another one I have never played with. Her spat with Mattchew is so off base. I liked her post on Foolishness's opening. To be honest I havent really had a good look at her filter. There are so many players that I have been focused on the ones I know. How would you advise me about reading VE? VE looks pretty townie to me right now. His annoyance at me prodding him about Marv seemed genuine. I know he is trying to control his rage so it fits. Plus he has been asking about people that aren't in the spotlight which is a good sign. | ||
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Foolishness
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On July 17 2012 15:29 wherebugsgo wrote: How would you advise me about reading VE? Click his filter, click his filter from a game where he's mafia and a game where he's town? Then do one of those compare/contrast things teachers seem to be so crazy about. Honestly what do you want me to say? I played in more games with VE before he was good I don't know what to say about him. I remember posting an analysis against someone and writing at the top "Attention: if your name is VisceraEyes please skip this section because it's all about meta, which you claim holds no ground in finding mafia". I guess thinking back I cannot recall a single post he's made this game that wasn't I LOVE YOU BLAZINGHAND.... | ||
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Foolishness
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sandroba
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It can be basically summed up as he prodded someone in the very begging of the game and didn't follow up. He asked questions. He didn't bother defending himself (defense of yourself in mafia actually serves very little purpose imo). None of those things are pointing to one alignment or the other, so really what is your case? | ||
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Chezinu
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Your sanity eases my mind. I've been trying to kill blazinghand since the very begining of this game. First I attempt to send a minion to kill him, but that ended up failing. Then I shoot a nuke at him, but then he blocks it. This time though, I think I can lynch him. The TimeWarper's words are ringing true. I would love to give QBZ thanks for that,  . Being SILLY is Fun!##Unvote ##Vote BlazingHand | ||
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Probulous
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On July 17 2012 03:42 GGQ wrote: What? Why? What would that accomplish? How would that help us find scum? Palmar does that shit all the time. It's stupid and unhelpful but arguing about it has never changed him before and it won't now. ##vote blazinghand GGQ, can you please explain why you voted for Blazinghand without ever mentioning him before hand? This is your only post of substance which is a discreditation of MZ but you vote for BH?  | ||
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Chezinu
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Hey guys, do you remember when people use to think a random lynch was a good idea? Do you remember what happened after a few nukes when off? Nukes were proven to be true.. Hey guys, do you remember when people use to think that Chezinu was unreadable? Do you remember what happened after people tried to analyze Chezinu? Chezinu was proven to be Chezinu.. | ||
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Foolishness
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On July 17 2012 15:48 sandroba wrote: Because I can't tell that yet and despite knowing that you are pretty accurate on average I can't tell if you are town yet either. You normally are very thorough and detailed in your cases, making the reasoning you believe someone is mafia very clear to anyone who reads it. Your case on syllo however is very much grasping at straws so far and failed to convince me. It can be basically summed up as he prodded someone in the very begging of the game and didn't follow up. He asked questions. He didn't bother defending himself (defense of yourself in mafia actually serves very little purpose imo). None of those things are pointing to one alignment or the other, so really what is your case? I don't know what me being mafia has anything to do with it. Do we need another jubjub to step in and say "mafia don't know each other so they have an incentive to find other mafia"? Yes I'm a bit bitter at the moment. He prodded two people so far and hasn't followed up anywhere. Instead he's been spending his time responding to my posts (not an issue) and downplaying all of Katina's posts (is an issue). The case is built upon the similarity to Responsibility Mafia, where he played a passive game and put jibber jabber in most of his posts. The question asking is more pronounced and noticable when he's mafia. And at any rate you certainly aren't convincing me to not lynch him on your "you will know by day 3-4 for sure" argument. Especially when you don't even tell me why I will know by then. Even more so because you make this post: On July 17 2012 06:52 sandroba wrote: Meh I'm getting weird vibes from syllo and I'm leaning scum, but nothing conclusive so far. Don't know about foolishness, even if he is right on syllo his case is not the greatest. I kinda expected him to say something about kurumi too and he just ignored a pretty big deal. I'll give out a more thought out opinion later. And then follow it up with this about 45 min later: On July 17 2012 07:36 sandroba wrote: Nope tomorrow we lynch you =P. You guys lynch syllo day 5 or so if he has not raped all mafia by then =) And then try to further justify it with: On July 17 2012 15:32 sandroba wrote: People let me make something clear. There is NO case on syllo so far. We are not lynching him this early period. You all will be able to tell 100% if syllo is town or scum by day 3-4. I really don't understand how so many people can be so sure he is scum at this point, it's like something that build up momentum out of the blue with no real evidence behind it. We need to confirm that RoL actually nuked kurumi and if he did we lynch either BH or laya, I'm cool with both. Which is just all nice and dandy for a "thought out opinion" that you promised us. | ||
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sandroba
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The way syllo played so far actually is not similar to the way he did in responsibility mafia and you can see that reading your case. Here he questioning and prodding people and that actually produces information. On the examples you gave he was making general statements about game design, setup, etc, while staying away from actually giving out any useful information. The reason I think syllo may be scum this game has nothing to do with what he posted so far but actually what he hasn't posted compared to what I'd expect him to. However there could be another reasons besides being mafia that he is not fulfilling my expectations so that's why it's too early to tell. | ||
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sandroba
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wherebugsgo
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On July 17 2012 15:47 Foolishness wrote: And also, doesn't blazinghand try to do the whole, "I'm going to try to post like a sane person and make sure all my sentences make complete sense" thing when he's mafia? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I remember seeing that game where he was 3rd party and he was so obviously not town cause he was posting paragraphs of babble trying to look normal and helpful. Yes. When he's mafia he's very sure to be careful. Fewer one-liners (though there are still a fair amount), lots of clarifying and sheeping people. That's exactly what I see this game. Perhaps he's changing his style because he's around a bunch of vets, but I doubt it; and to increase my confidence, sandro agrees with my read. The game where he was SK was Emergency Mafia, I hosted it: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=341663&user=133498¤tpage=2 Blazinghand has demonstrated a tendency to try a careful posting style in this game. That was proven when in his second or third post he called his previous post "unreasonably short". Then he's got posts like this: On July 17 2012 01:27 Blazinghand wrote: If I was "pretty sure" someone was scum my vote would be on him like white on rice. On July 17 2012 01:53 Blazinghand wrote: But would you literally call the guy scum and say you want to lynch him AND not vote him? This strikes me as insane. And honestly, voting someone doesn't cause them to talk less... it causes them to talk more, doesn't it? Make the scum come out of his hole. Makes his buddies come out to help him. I think you're just wrong. On July 17 2012 07:59 Blazinghand wrote: OK you know what I'm just gonna let that slide cause clearly I gotta correct some negativity in here. Check it. If you really think town won't listen to what you have to say, that's fine. But I *personally* promise to you that if you post some cases and flip town, I will PUSH THEM for you after you die. You know me-- I can push a case. I'll find one that I find reasonable, and I'll supplement it with my own case. And this will be a grand turning point for TL towns. What do you say? If you really think TL Towns are bad, whining rather than helping certainly won't make them good. Come, Kurumi. Let's change things for the better. On July 17 2012 11:28 Blazinghand wrote: For what it's worth, I actually CAUSED several of the changes in the flavor of the hour, rather than the other way around <3 On July 17 2012 11:38 Blazinghand wrote: As a town player, I definitely never move my vote around a bunch in the same day so CLEARLY that's grounds for me being scum. CLEARLY> On July 17 2012 11:39 Blazinghand wrote: Man, you know you know what I hate you so much I can't even express how mad I am All of the above posts are self-centric. They show that Blazinghand is obviously very aware of his own appearance this game, something that most townies (and least of all BH) don't care about very much. Then we have this in response to VE: On July 17 2012 11:43 Blazinghand wrote: Did... did you just waste one of our blocks? ._. Irony here is that he asks VE if he wasted a block, without even considering that he wasted his own. So why think that HiroPro's nuke was fake but not Chezinu's? Kind of a fail on BH's part here. Also his whole back and forth with Kurumi was really weird given that Kurumi is essentially confirmed scum. | ||
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wherebugsgo
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On July 17 2012 15:51 Chezinu wrote: WBG FTW!!! Your sanity eases my mind. I've been trying to kill blazinghand since the very begining of this game. First I attempt to send a minion to kill him, but that ended up failing. what the penis | ||
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