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Probulous
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Probulous
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Do we even know if there is a block ability? | ||
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wherebugsgo
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Part of my whole "let syllo find scum" bit is that you can actually almost trust reads given by scum in this game. It means you ignore things you would normally count as town tells (i.e. if they push a scum then you don't count it as a town tell) however you CAN take everyone's pushes seriously because everyone in the game has an interest in finding scum. In other words establishing yourself as town takes more effort but everyone's scumhunting can be taken at least partially seriously. This is unlike other games where establishing yourself as town is fairly easy because not everyone's scumhunting can be taken seriously. | ||
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wherebugsgo
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On July 17 2012 12:31 Probulous wrote: @Bugs Do we even know if there is a block ability? we don't, but why would BH use ##block unless he had that ability or that he took the nuke seriously? If he's lying about having a block then he's scum, if he's not lying it doesn't change anything. | ||
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Blazinghand
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On July 17 2012 12:25 wherebugsgo wrote: Well, if he were town, he would have used his block power to block Kurumi from nuking RoL, since Kurumi's nuke was mod-confirmed BEFORE Chezinu used ##nuke in the thread. Kurumi being scum doesn't mean RoL is town. Even if Kurumi is one of the managers, he still has very little idea who he's actually shooting, and RoL isn't exactly captain mctownerson to begin with. *I*, on the other hand, am 100% confirmed town (to myself). | ||
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Blazinghand
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On July 17 2012 12:31 wherebugsgo wrote:you can actually almost trust reads given by scum in this game. It means you ignore things you would normally count as town tells (i.e. if they push a scum then you don't count it as a town tell) however you CAN take everyone's pushes seriously because everyone in the game has an interest in finding scum. And it's for this reason I can't automatically block Kurumi. And how am I supposed to know that you can ##nuke without having nukes? I'm not intimately familiar with chezinu, the man is utterly opaque to me. He had (or so it appeared) edited a post and for all I know he was planning to launch his nuke for being modkilled. | ||
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wherebugsgo
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On July 17 2012 12:35 Blazinghand wrote: Kurumi being scum doesn't mean RoL is town. Even if Kurumi is one of the managers, he still has very little idea who he's actually shooting, and RoL isn't exactly captain mctownerson to begin with. *I*, on the other hand, am 100% confirmed town (to myself). it doesn't mean RoL is town, but since Kurumi is scum you have an interest in stopping a scum nuke. When Chez "nuked" you it seemed like you just panicked. You could've waited however long you wanted to on that block if you're town, and if you are town it's in your best interest to wait. But, you chose to use it before the mod confirmation of the nuke. | ||
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wherebugsgo
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On July 17 2012 12:37 Blazinghand wrote: And it's for this reason I can't automatically block Kurumi. And how am I supposed to know that you can ##nuke without having nukes? I'm not intimately familiar with chezinu, the man is utterly opaque to me. He had (or so it appeared) edited a post and for all I know he was planning to launch his nuke for being modkilled. Now you're just being deliberately dense and acting ignorant. You've also just displayed that you're not reading the thread. You know what I hate? People who are both scummy and ignorant of the happenings of the thread. You fall in that category right now. | ||
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Blazinghand
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On July 17 2012 12:37 wherebugsgo wrote: it doesn't mean RoL is town, but since Kurumi is scum you have an interest in stopping a scum nuke. When Chez "nuked" you it seemed like you just panicked. You could've waited however long you wanted to on that block if you're town, and if you are town it's in your best interest to wait. But, you chose to use it before the mod confirmation of the nuke. Well, yeah I panicked, I don't want to die! Death is bad. Admittedly, in retrospect, it would have been wiser to wait for the day to get closer to the end, but I wasn't thinking that at the time. I made a mistake. But I don't see how this mistake is more makeable by scum than town. After all, a scum Blocker wouldn't want to waste his bliock on a fake nuke either. | ||
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Blazinghand
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On July 17 2012 12:38 wherebugsgo wrote: Now you're just being deliberately dense and acting ignorant. You've also just displayed that you're not reading the thread. You know what I hate? People who are both scummy and ignorant of the happenings of the thread. You fall in that category right now. Okay, so what's ignorant in that post? 1) I can't automatically block kurumi -- seems reasonable 2) TYPICALLY in games with dayvigs you're not allowed to ##kill unless you have the ability to do so (as in that game where V7 was a jack and shot soap) -- also reasonable 3) I'm not familiar with chezinu -- I'm not. check my history. 4) he looked like he edited a post -- he did. I'm not the only one who was fooled, I'm sure THATS A REASONABLE POST. Don't make it out like it's not. | ||
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wherebugsgo
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On July 17 2012 12:40 Blazinghand wrote: [/b]Okay, so what's ignorant in that post? 1) I can't automatically block kurumi -- seems reasonable If I rolled a block ability as town and there was a confirmed scum who used a confirmed nuke power, I would block the confirmed scum because it's in town's interest to stop that scum from achieving his agenda. On July 17 2012 12:40 Blazinghand wrote: 2) TYPICALLY in games with dayvigs you're not allowed to ##kill unless you have the ability to do so (as in that game where V7 was a jack and shot soap) -- also reasonable This is false, you can write ##kill as a VT, it just won't do anything. This has happened in multiple games before. The general consensus is to wait for a mod to confirm the action before acting in reaction to it. You did not follow this convention. On July 17 2012 12:40 Blazinghand wrote: 3) I'm not familiar with chezinu -- I'm not. check my history. I don't give a fuck about your history, the fact is that if you're reading Chezinu's posts from this game you should understand what kind of a player he is. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that he's a troll and thus should only be taken seriously if he's acting serious. The fact that you didn't realize this by now is a strong suggestion that you're not reading his posts. On July 17 2012 12:40 Blazinghand wrote: 4) he looked like he edited a post -- he did. I'm not the only one who was fooled, I'm sure THATS A REASONABLE POST. Don't make it out like it's not. This is the confirmation for me that you're not reading the thread. Someone else WAS fooled, but it was directly clarified by a third person that it was a fake edit. In fact, it was another scummy person who thought Chez edited (it was Meapak) and the fact that you didn't read the clarification but assumed he would get modkilled is an incredibly strong indication that you are scum. | ||
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Blazinghand
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On July 17 2012 12:48 wherebugsgo wrote: [/b]If I rolled a block ability as town and there was a confirmed scum who used a confirmed nuke power, I would block the confirmed scum because it's in town's interest to stop that scum from achieving his agenda. Stop him from killing RoL, over stopping someone from killing you, when you know you yourself are town? I'd save the guy I know to be town: myself. On July 17 2012 12:48 wherebugsgo wrote: This is false, you can write ##kill as a VT, it just won't do anything. This has happened in multiple games before. The general consensus is to wait for a mod to confirm the action before acting in reaction to it. You did not follow this convention. Multiple games I wasn't in, a general consensus I wasn't part of. On July 17 2012 12:48 wherebugsgo wrote: I don't give a fuck about your history, the fact is that if you're reading Chezinu's posts from this game you should understand what kind of a player he is. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that he's a troll and thus should only be taken seriously if he's acting serious. The fact that you didn't realize this by now is a strong suggestion that you're not reading his posts. Really? More of a troll that Kurumi this game, or QBZ with his nonsense? Or Layabout with his literally not posting? No, I think I had good reason to be afraid of a guy who uses a bolded hash command in the thread. On July 17 2012 12:48 wherebugsgo wrote: This is the confirmation for me that you're not reading the thread. Someone else WAS fooled, but it was directly clarified by a third person that it was a fake edit. In fact, it was another scummy person who thought Chez edited (it was Meapak) and the fact that you didn't read the clarification but assumed he would get modkilled is an incredibly strong indication that you are scum. [/quote] For what it's worth, AT THE TIME I MADE MY POST, I was mobile. I was playing via phone, and okay, sure I missed Meapak calling it out and getting clarified. BUT AT THE TIME, I thought it was legitimate, and I figured he just wanted to nuke me since people have been taking potshots at me at the time. This was during normal commute hours for PST (where I live) and I a made a post to this effect: On July 17 2012 10:09 Blazinghand wrote: Lol how srs r we ##unvote ##vote syllogism This should hold down the fort till I get home. | ||
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wherebugsgo
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VE, this question is important: Do you have a block power, or were you faking it? Katina, what do you think of both hiropro and VE? Foolishness and Katina: thoughts on each other, please. Answers to questions addressed to me that I am willing to answer now: On July 17 2012 11:20 VisceraEyes wrote: WBG what are your thoughts on syllo's push on Prob? Did it seem sincere to you? Do you agree with any of the points raised against Probulous by syllo? no to both questions. It was partly why I considered syllo to be scummy. (also his push on Probulous seemed reactionary to the pressure he was receiving in thread, mostly from Foolishness) On July 17 2012 12:09 HiroPro wrote: WBG, there's something I don't get about your "let syllo find scum for us". You think that layabout is scummier than syllogism. Ok, fine. But then why even bring up that whole talk (not only does it seem fairly illogical to me), but why would you even feel the need to justify yourself like that? I was asked why I preferred layabout even though I found syllo scummy. I preferred giving a full answer as opposed to a half answer, because I know a lot of people want to lynch syllo today and not many seem to be interested in killing layabout. It may not be an answer that people understand nor even agree with, but that's fine by me. It's my reason for wanting to keep him alive if only temporarily. At any rate right now I'm completely fine with a multitude of players dying. We can't kill them all but I will be pushing those who I think are most likely to flip scum. If that likelihood changes then so will my vote. If it's clear I can't get my #1 target lynched then I will gladly switch to the scummiest target that has the best chance of dying. for the record, my scumreads in order from strongest to weakest right now are: Blazinghand layabout Meapak_Ziphh syllogism I've omitted Kurumi since he's basically dead. | ||
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Probulous
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Still trying to get my head around this. | ||
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Blazinghand
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On July 17 2012 12:55 Probulous wrote: BH do you actually have a blocking ability? Still trying to get my head around this. Yes. My role is 1-shot day blocker. | ||
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wherebugsgo
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On July 17 2012 12:54 Blazinghand wrote: Stop him from killing RoL, over stopping someone from killing you, when you know you yourself are town? I'd save the guy I know to be town: myself. That's not the point. There was no mod confirmation that you were even dying, whereas there was mod confirmation that Kurumi was aiming a nuke at RoL. In that moment your first thought should have been to wait, not to save your ass when you haven't even seen mod confirmation of there being a third nuke in the first place. This is what any reasonable townie would have done. A scum in that situation, of course, would panic and try to save himself. That's what scum do when they think they're going to die. They panic. This is also in light of you taking Chezinu completely seriously, where if you were even reading half of his posts there is almost no reason for you to EVER take him seriously. On July 17 2012 12:54 Blazinghand wrote: I don't give a fuck about your history, the fact is that if you're reading Chezinu's posts from this game you should understand what kind of a player he is. It doesn't take a genius to figure out that he's a troll and thus should only be taken seriously if he's acting serious. The fact that you didn't realize this by now is a strong suggestion that you're not reading his posts. Really? More of a troll that Kurumi this game, or QBZ with his nonsense? Or Layabout with his literally not posting? No, I think I had good reason to be afraid of a guy who uses a bolded hash command in the thread.[/quote] First of all, layabout not posting is not "trolling". That's "lurking." Nice stretch. Secondly, you take Kurumi and QBZ seriously? Why the hell does it matter if other players are trolling as well? How does that make Chezinu any less of a troll? If you don't take Kurumi or QBZ seriously (and if you've identified QBZ as a troll even though none of us have played with QBZ) then I don't see how you would fail to identify Chezinu as a troll as well. Your defense is essentially that there are two other players who are trolling, therefore Chezinu's nuke claim was believable, which is absurd. | ||
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Probulous
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I don't know if it alignment indicative but it is hard for me to picture you having a read on someone and then suddenly it changes when they nuke you? | ||
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Blazinghand
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On July 17 2012 13:06 Probulous wrote: Then why didn't you make a push for a Chezinu lynch? I mean you have already voted for him in game. Then he randomly sends a nuke your way, you obviously believed him because you used your power. But instead you side with bugs on the layabout lynch. I don't know if it alignment indicative but it is hard for me to picture you having a read on someone and then suddenly it changes when they nuke you? Chezinu needlessly nuking me does not make him a scum player. I didn't block him because he's scum, I blocked him because he was nuking a town player. I'm going after layabout not because I want to be WBG's butt-buddy or because Chezinu is somehow more reasonable but because layabout needs to die. There seems to be some confusion here guys: nuking a town player doesn't make you scum, nuking a scum player doesn't make you town. Most scum dont' know each other's alignments. Shit's crazy. Chezinu throwing a nuke at me does not make him scum. | ||
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Probulous
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Bugs the issue I have with your case is that it rests on BH having the mental fortitude to stop and actually think about the situation. It would be awefully tempting to straight up stop a nuke heading your way. Yes waiting until confirmation from the mods would have been the best play, that or stopping Kurumi's nuke, or both. He clearly responded rashly but whether it is town rash protecting their ass, or scum rash protecting their ass, I'm not sure. As for taking Chezinu seriously, he may make crazy obfuscating posts but there is some nuggets of info in there. People troll but that doesn't mean you can't take their actions seriously. | ||
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