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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
two scenarios 1) townie marv feels slightly as Foolishness, grand pooh-bear of all things who he's never played with before, seems to randomly think he's scum and gets pissed off and indifferent for a while 2) scum marv gets scared by Foolishness and decides to disprove Foolishness' theory by lurking and posting indifferently because that's so super townie you decide, not conversing with you after this about it | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
If you're town then prove it - don't just try and turn town against me by infuriating me into hysteria. No one wants that. | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On July 17 2012 01:46 marvellosity wrote: laughable != scummy. I prefer BH's case on syllo than the one on BH On July 17 2012 05:22 Foolishness wrote: Syllogism is mafia. Non-committal stances, doesn't even want to defend himself. Someone needs to redirect that nuke at marvellosity. And the next time Kurumi uses the phrase "actively lurking" someone should shoot him. Note the timestamps. Foolishness's attack has nothing to do with my original point. Anyway, if you stil think marv is scum, that's fine. If you want my vote, convince me. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On July 17 2012 10:53 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm considering Prob...here's the thing. BH is known to use questionable logic regardless of alignment (like someone else I know). Yourself? | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
On July 17 2012 10:53 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm considering Prob...here's the thing. BH is known to use questionable logic regardless of alignment (like someone else I know). The rate of his posts had nothing to do with my read of him, it was mostly the effort and voracity of his posts. I'm wondering what the posts you're referring to are here Probulous, because as Kurumi pointed out posting /= contributing. Is it just that he's agreeing with your lynch choice that you're seeing him as town at this point? Because again I have to emphasize that it's entirely probable that if marv is scum then he does not know who his teammates are. Please stop refusing to factor this in, as it's a huge part of this game. I understand that he doesn't know who is scum. Mrv is not setting the world on fire but he s asking the sort of questions I am asking. He ninja'd me with responding to bugs for one. I still don't understand why syllo would suddenly cooperate if he thinks he is lynch immune. He jumped onto Syllo before he was called out, and he did so when others were jumping all over BH. These seem like townie actions to me, but you are yet to post why you think he is scum. | ||
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Probulous
Australia3894 Posts
Can you answer my question please. Why would Syllo cooperate if he doesn't think he will get lynched? | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
There, happy? It was a gut read based on his lack of concern for the game - and him saying "I'm only going to respond to you once" does nothing to assuage my fucking suspicions...but whatever. I'll be back later with a case and vote. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25563 Posts
On July 17 2012 10:17 Kurumi wrote: I really hope you're trolling. You could've saved someone later. Not if I get nuked first. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On July 17 2012 11:02 Probulous wrote: Can you answer my question please. Why would Syllo cooperate if he doesn't think he will get lynched? if he doesn't cooperate (i.e. contribute) he dies. I'd say this if sandro was scum too, but sandro sucks at being scum. Think about it. These are players whose town games are very good, to the point where they often singlehandedly take down scumteams. In this setup they are capable of doing that even if they are scum because they don't know who the other scum are. However if they actively refuse to contribute their thoughts (or if their thoughts are obviously feigned) then we kill them. It's not hard, but we need to afford them time. However, players like layabout who already have no interest in contributing and are clearly already acting from a scum perspective should die because, 1. they often are bad at scumhunting and 2. if they're already useless chances are they're going to continue to be useless. | ||
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
Also, http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=349678&user=54241 That is Bill Murray's filter. I am always down with a BM lynch | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25563 Posts
Layabout is trying to skate by. We can't let that happen. ##unvote ##vote: layabout | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21171 Posts
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6789 Posts
On July 17 2012 10:33 wherebugsgo wrote: whoa, why are you speaking FOR probulous? holy shit are you scum with Probulous? Probulous never mentioned that post, he hasn't replied to it yet. Also I already elaborated on why layabout is scum in the post before that. So, #1. You're talking for someone else #2. You're not reading the thread you really are scum! honest mistake bugs, we're all templar icons and I just glazed over it before I posted. And besides, the scenario of us being scum like that doesn't work -_- | ||
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Meapak_Ziphh
United States6789 Posts
On July 17 2012 11:20 Blazinghand wrote: WBG, after some thought, I agree with you. Although syllogism strikes me as scummy, Layabout is irredeemably so. Examining his filter (link) I cannot in good conscience NOT vote him. This is a big game and he's trying to skate by. Syllogism's posting history, while unfavorably comparable with the droppings of a flock of diuretic parrots, greatly outdoes Layabout's simply on strength of its existene. Layabout is trying to skate by. We can't let that happen. ##unvote ##vote: layabout BH is really just going for whoever is currently the flavor of the hour, if you look at his posts he's simply flipped whenever thread opinion has changed. Also his reasons for voting people have been very sheepy, he's been gunning for syllo for the better part of the game but all of a sudden bugs waltzes in with a case and BH flips again. ##Unvote ##Vote: Blazinghand | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25563 Posts
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Mattchew
United States5684 Posts
On July 17 2012 11:26 Meapak_Ziphh wrote: I'm kinda hamstrung until rastaban gets back so in the meantime I'll throw my name in with the people who want BH dead. BH is really just going for whoever is currently the flavor of the hour, if you look at his posts he's simply flipped whenever thread opinion has changed. Also his reasons for voting people have been very sheepy, he's been gunning for syllo for the better part of the game but all of a sudden bugs waltzes in with a case and BH flips again. ##Unvote ##Vote: Blazinghand Do you disagree with his reasoning for his votes? or just that he's jumping a lot? | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
##Vote Blazinghand ##Nuke Blazinghand I wonder... On July 17 2012 09:19 Probulous wrote: Why now? Well because right before that I wrote this He clearly only responded to me because I prodded him. This gives me the impression that he either didn't read my post beforehand, or he didn't think it was a big deal until someone prodded him. I mean why ignore me for so long if you think I am mafia based on my second post? Surely if you are town you want people to lynch the people you think are scum but he only mentions his target when his target asks him for his thoughts? Then when Foolishness picks up on this he responds with You didn't elaborate at all, even when I asked you too. I mean yes, I could be mafia and so you could just ignore me. however, it is likely I am not the only one who thought you case needed more work. In fact the distinct lack of vote from you and no real push from anyone else would suggest that it is not a strong case. So if you wanted me dead you would need to elaborate. I like this. I'm fine with lynching syllo if we can't get BH. On July 17 2012 07:29 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:+ Show Spoiler + lol sandroba that was beautiful. ##Vote: Kurumi So let's talk about tomorrow. My assumptions are that Chez will continue trolling and that Palmar will continue to be worthless but let's broaden our horizons. Blazinghand and rastaban spring to mind, BH has been discussed a fair bit but I'll shed some light on rastaban. Some of his greatest his include posts like this: On July 16 2012 23:32 rastaban wrote: Caught up now, thoughts so far: First off the random vote is a bad idea, normally the reason it is used is to eliminate mafia influence, but guess what the mafia don't know who each other are so this lynch will be without their influence anyway. We have a golden opportunity to have a lynch today with mafia having to base their judgments on reads, and make hard choices while not able to communicate. Fellow employees do not squander this opportunity! This leads to my second point, Lynching scum doesn't put someone in the clear, especially this early in the game. They don't know who each other is so they can lynch themselves, so look for sound reasoning not just who they voted for. @ HiroPro Third yes mafia only has 1 KP see: Fourth, While I think a Policy lynch on claiming blues is bad, I do think you bring up a very valid point. As you mention 1 for 1 may not be a bad trade for them so I think we should certainly be extra wary of any claimants and possibly lynch the claimant if it seems fishy, but I think a Policy is going a bit too far. OK so thats my setup review / plans post, I am now working on locating scum so I will follow up in a bit with my thoughts on who to lynch. This: On July 17 2012 00:15 rastaban wrote: And they get only 1 shot to do so, so they will need to wait before sending it out. and it sounds like names are restricted in someway as well. Say we start to lynch a minion, then only 1 other person knows he is mafia (the high rank) at most he can probably say don't let this lynch go through. and it gets sent to the other 2 minions, but only if he hadn't said anything before that. or he won't even be able to say that. They also need to wait to hear from the leader or they can't forward on his message. This means more confusion as they have to wait later to try and save someone. This is why this lynch is so unique and a great shot for us to lynch scum. (full disclosure, I forgot they could send one message now though, which is why I said they would have no impact in my previous post) And this: On July 17 2012 05:18 rastaban wrote: I like the case on BH better than the on Mz right. I feel GGQ is right in his assessment that mafia will use the lack of ties to make them more bold in their case rather than second guessing. Look at my play as Serial Killer, I decided to try and play as pro town as possible, I ended up going overboard and tunneling risk.nuke in my effort. I feel like MZ's caution is the sign of town who wants to get things right rather than scum who wants to get the day over with. Think about it we still have more than 24 hours of discussion to go. As others have also pointed out, he is also trying too hard to find reasons for his votes, it makes them seem fake. ##vote blazinghand What traits to these posts share? They're extremely wishy-washy, there's a lot of setup speculation, and his current vote was part of a bandwagon where he was merely parroting other's opinions. I'll continue to keep my eye on my other little fishes but they've been well discussed unlike rastaban who has been skirting the radar. Thoughts? (people who read the thread only please). I don't really find your case on Rastaban very strong, Meapak. His posting doesn't really seem wishy-washy to me (he seems to express his actual opinions on people ok - he makes it clear that he finds BH scummy and your behavior more townie). I would like to hear more about what he thinks personally, but I don't want to lynch him. Katina, I'm still waiting for your meta examples on Palmar  | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25563 Posts
On July 17 2012 11:30 Mattchew wrote: Do you disagree with his reasoning for his votes? or just that he's jumping a lot? As a town player, I definitely never move my vote around a bunch in the same day so CLEARLY that's grounds for me being scum. CLEARLY> | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25563 Posts
On July 17 2012 11:35 HiroPro wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote Blazinghand ##Nuke Blazinghand Man, you know you know what I hate you so much I can't even express how mad I am | ||
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