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Hedges become unruly over time and need to be trimmed. My good landscaping adds to the property value of the entire neighbourhood.
I understand that being a counterfeit is damning, but I see no further evidence concerning that person. There is nothing unusual coming from him. He is only a waste of time today, while we need to decide between two suspects. I have already decided who is the most dangerous for us. We can't be fooled.
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I like to trim hedges. I like the way our fellow colleague works. He might dislike me, but I find his job proper. I would like him to decide on one of the main candidates. I find his target adequate, but not the best.
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Thanks for making our neighbourhood a better place, fellow associates.
I have nothing against detectives in blue, but attempting to change into assassins is just bad. Especially if he can't do it himself. Please, stick to your jobs and don't be swayed from our Milkman Circus Crew search. He seems knowledgeable and that makes me uneasy. His work might be on purpose. I shall observe him. Reading the "Associates in crimefighting" i found an interesting note. Zebras are the masters of camouflage in groups. Probably we aren't searching clowns and bearded people, but normal visitors and shaven women. Unkind people try to look like kind people. That's why our job is hard and we need friendship to go through it. I love you, my fellow co-workers. Nothing can separate us.
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I like having players like kurumi around.
Way more entertaining than masses of unreadable newbies
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On July 02 2012 07:02 Kurumi wrote:
I like to trim hedges. I like the way our fellow colleague works. He might dislike me, but I find his job proper. I would like him to decide on one of the main candidates. I find his target adequate, but not the best.
Who are you talking about here?
I am fine with this style but you need to clarify who you are referring to in your posts please
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The above post is me being too self-centered to not think he is referring to me in all 3 posts
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I think marv since he said he wanted to kill kurumi.
And kurumi's vote on mk is a hard stance, it appears.
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No. My colleague was referring to someone else. Something about a boat.
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He was talking about a boat.
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Kurumi, please try to consolidate your posts. Thanks.
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On July 02 2012 06:58 Mattchew wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 06:57 Mandalor wrote:On July 02 2012 06:51 Mattchew wrote:On July 02 2012 06:45 Mandalor wrote:On July 02 2012 06:25 Mattchew wrote:On July 02 2012 06:23 Mandalor wrote:
I said I didn't catch up to the thread. That implies I've read parts of it. Whether that's 10 pages or 14 or 8 is irrelevant I think? I didn't know that was important. There are several people that voted and changed their mind during the course of day1. I didn't change my mind, although I'm not at all sure about BKE, but I don't see how that makes me scum. It means you did not consume all the information available to you before making an opinion. The vote seemed forced out of you by the way the thread was going. Yeah I voted before reading every page. Guilty of charge. I was afraid of being modkilled and therefore decided to place a vote early. BKE's post in question was early in the thread and it looked suspicious to me. I then decided to read the rest of the thread and I'm up to date now. So yeah, it was forced. Not forced by anyone in the game tho. Noone implied I was mafia before I voted, so - again - how does that make me scum? On July 02 2012 06:28 Mattchew wrote:On July 02 2012 06:19 Mandalor wrote:On July 02 2012 05:59 Mattchew wrote:On July 02 2012 05:38 Mandalor wrote:On July 02 2012 04:17 Mattchew wrote:Mattchew's People that need to die and why list3. MandalorFirst post of the game says he hasn't read, but still votes BKE. Cool, I like being scum and trying to blend in by voting the popular candidate too. + Show Spoiler +On July 01 2012 01:42 Mandalor wrote:
##VOTE: BKE
I expected this game to start in like a week or sth. I'll promise to catch up with the thread and be more active beginning tomorrow. Second post, he claims to have caught up, but offers literally no reason for his vote which he still agrees with. Hi scum trying not to be accountable for reads and reasons! + Show Spoiler +On July 01 2012 06:10 Mandalor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 01:46 MajuGarzett wrote:On July 01 2012 01:42 Mandalor wrote:
##VOTE: BKE
I expected this game to start in like a week or sth. I'll promise to catch up with the thread and be more active beginning tomorrow. If you're not caught up why did you vote? I had read the first ten pages and it seemed to be the best option. Haven't changed my mind now that I'vve caught up. It's day1 tho, I don't expect a 100% surefire candidate to pop up this early. I wont post his whole filter, but he then goes onto explain that he voted and is voting BKE cause he causes trouble for the town early on. Is this the fault of BKE or the fault of those creating the shitstorm around him with little to no reasoning? Voting for someone because they are being highlighted in the thread and because a lot of people yell "he's scum" at him is terrible reasoning. He also says "I ignored the post-analysis option, because - and I repeat - this is Day1. I barely have a case for BKE, but I have to vote." which just encourages more people to vote ignorantly without reason. Awesome. I love how you blatantly leave out parts of my post so it alligns with what you say. Maybe I should really disregard my anti-post-analytics on day 1 policy, because that reeks of scum. I'd like to highlight that specific part again for future reference: Second post, he claims to have caught up, but offers literally no reason for his vote which he still agrees with. Also you seem to have issues with reading comprehension. I didn't say I didn't read in my first post. I said I didn't catch up, yet. Huge difference (10 pages in my situation). Obviously that only helps your case against me. Since you're making yourself so important, I guess I'll just do that too. You are now my die-list. which parts did I leave out. Did you say that you had read ten pages in that first post? That huge difference is only clarified after someone else called you on it, making it null and void because we have no way of knowing how much you read / didn't read. Did you offer any reasoning for your vote on BKE in your first 2 posts? Did you ever offer any reasons why BKE is causing the so-called trouble you are voting him for? Did you every shine light on how he is pushing a mafia agenda or acting scummy or anything about his scum-like behavior? No you just said he's causing trouble. You left my third post out and decided to summarize and add some nice flavor to it. You know, the whole voting for someone because he was highlighted yadda yadda. I never said or implied any of that. I gave my reasoning in my third post. And you repeat that I voted for BKE with no reason. It's right there. It's fine that you think I'm scum, but you're not helping town by putting words in my mouth. You just join the people that have a case against me and add some lies to it. That's nice, I think I did this in mafia 3. I gave my reasons in post 3. Nothing to add, really. Here's a link to my filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=344514&user=2074 I know the link to your filter extremely well trust me. You claim that I summarized it too vaguely. Mind telling me your reason other than his disturbance to the thread, why you think BKE is scum or a good lynch? I am just using your own words. + Show Spoiler +On July 01 2012 10:21 Mandalor wrote:
On Day1, I feel like there's only two good options for town.
a) kill a lurker
b) kill a guy that causes trouble just hours into the game
I don't like option a). Playing as mafia is fun. You hang around in a chat channel and make your plans. You're probably more busy with the chat than writing in the thread, but still... you're less likely to lurk. If the mafia is smart, they will have a couple of lurkers, but definitely not the majority so the odds of killing a town lurker is a lot higher on day1.
BKE qualifies for option b). Whether or not he's mafia, I personally don't like people in my game that use words like "scummy" judging people's first post in the game. Noone has posted enough in this game that I could possibly have built a good enough opinion on them, but apparently he can do that.
I'm not even going to address his newbie-theory.
I'm not saying I'm sure about BKE whatsoever, but he's our best option in my book. This post: On June 30 2012 10:30 BroodKingEXE wrote:On June 30 2012 10:21 s0Lstice wrote:
Hello folks. I'll be joining the ranks of the scum hunters once again (5th time in a row!). This is my first large game, so it's going to be an adjustment...but one I'm capable of making. Being that it's friday night I will be scarce, but I'll be active on saturday, and I'm sure I'll have plenty of material to analyze. Stay tuned.
Saying that this is your 5th time in a row being town-aligned has the undercurrent of convincing us you are town in this game, and you dodge posting responsibility by it being a Friday. This is a scummy post to start out with. s0lstice first post in the thread (after the game started). I still don't see anything fishy there. At this point I'm even more convinced of mK or probably even you. If I vote for mK, people will call me an obvious bandwagoner. If I vote for you, I'm throwing away my vote, looking probably even more scummy. This is a sitation I haven't been in, yet. Tbh I don't see how to clear myself. People like you seem to have made up your mind on 0 evidence and literally anything I do will make me look worse. So because you don't see anything fishy, means that someone who sees things differently then you is scum? Welcome to mafia, if you are town you are going to be voting on a LOT of mislynches. Why am i scum again? because i think you are scum? or is it because I am promoting discussion in the thread and bringing about viable reasoning for lynch candidates Okay one more post I guess. I don't understand his reasoning. It just looks like the desperate try to start a bandwagon. That's what looks fishy to me. Plus the newbie-theory which would just open up another characteristic of mafia to act like. As I said you're putting words in my mouth. You desperately try to make me look bad without hard evidence. People have called me out earlier and you just join in. No matter what happens tonight, I will remain on people's radar and you solidify that by inventing and implying stuff I never said. Just to let you know I literally used almost all of your own words that you had posted in this game. Show nested quote +Plus the newbie-theory which would just open up another characteristic of mafia to act like. can you explain this further?
Gah, I'm tired.
You don't use my words when you say I voted on BKE because that was the general opinion at that time. That wasn't my reason and I never implied it was, but you make it sound like that.
This is the newbie theory post I'm talking about:
On June 30 2012 10:03 BroodKingEXE wrote:
I want to start out discussing newbies. How are we as a town going to deal with players that are not as strong (as we do have a couple in the game)? Personally I think that these players need to be examined for the intent of their posts more than the evidence that they provide. Newbies still need to figure out what types of evidence are valid for examining a person, and we need to look at whether they are trying to draw out info from nothing or if there was actually a scummy read behind it. In the last few games I have played newbies have been lynched from poor evidence when they in fact were legitimately trying to help the town. I want everyone to take this in mind as we deal with newbies.
If we followed this theory, mafia newbies could hide a LOT better. They could easily falsely analyze players as scum and ppl would just view them as a newbie doing it wrong. Afterall, they tried to "help" the town by posting analyses.
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Brood, I would like for you to answer my question. On July 01 2012 22:44 austinmcc wrote:
However, I'd love for him to clarify his first post, given all this discussion. Broodking, you say that you don't consider those with 4 or 5 games newbies. The rest of the players seem to disagree, and I know that I do (no more newbie games allowed =/= not a newbie in my mind). IF you accept a much more broad definition of noob, like the thread seems to want, would you alter your first post? Should people with something like 4-8 games be treated like the noobs in your post, or treated like more seasoned players?
NoSmurfHere, I would still like for you to explain your train of thought on Mandalor. May as well update your read on him as well.NoSmurf, initially I read you as one of the more sensible and townie folks in the thread. However, this caught my eye somewhat: Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 10:23 NoSmurfHere wrote:
You seem to sincerely believe in such terrible logic, so you're probably town. However I'm not voting BKE just because it's day 1. I don't think anything he's done or said is so far particularly scummy. At no point have I agreed with that terrible case, so why bother acknowledging that the rest of you are idiots for bandwagoning him?
On the other hand mafia lurk to shake suspicion ALL the time. mK seemingly has done exactly this, and if he's mafia certainly it's working.
So, in this case, obviously I'm far more inclined to believe that the guy who is actively trying to stop a bad lynch is town whereas the scummy lurker is not. If mK is town he has a huge incentive to address the votes on him and make a case on his scumreads rather than disappear immediately after voting. Also speculating about his status is pretty stupid when I voted for him fairly quickly after he posted.
Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 12:38 NoSmurfHere wrote:On July 01 2012 11:47 Adam4167 wrote:On July 01 2012 06:40 EchelonTee wrote:
Hey Adam, remember my first game? When sephirothag or whoever crucified himself for no reason? This is the MrZentor variety of it. I do remember that game, one of my favourites. The difference between sephirotharg and casualman is that sephiroth was trying and making errors, casualman is not even trying at all, just acting obnoxiously. Vigs, shoot him tonight. Lets not waste a lynch and a full day cycle worth of discussion on someone who is trolling us. On July 01 2012 10:21 Mandalor wrote:On July 01 2012 06:25 layabout wrote:On July 01 2012 06:10 Mandalor wrote:On July 01 2012 01:46 MajuGarzett wrote:On July 01 2012 01:42 Mandalor wrote:
##VOTE: BKE
I expected this game to start in like a week or sth. I'll promise to catch up with the thread and be more active beginning tomorrow. If you're not caught up why did you vote? I had read the first ten pages and it seemed to be the best option. Haven't changed my mind now that I'vve caught up. It's day1 tho, I don't expect a 100% surefire candidate to pop up this early. Could you maybe share some of your decision making process? You know, so that we can see you did more than place your vote on the guy with the most votes. sure. On Day1, I feel like there's only two good options for town. a) kill a lurker b) kill a guy that causes trouble just hours into the game I don't like option a). Playing as mafia is fun. You hang around in a chat channel and make your plans. You're probably more busy with the chat than writing in the thread, but still... you're less likely to lurk. If the mafia is smart, they will have a couple of lurkers, but definitely not the majority so the odds of killing a town lurker is a lot higher on day1. BKE qualifies for option b). Whether or not he's mafia, I personally don't like people in my game that use words like "scummy" judging people's first post in the game. Noone has posted enough in this game that I could possibly have built a good enough opinion on them, but apparently he can do that. I'm not even going to address his newbie-theory. I'm not saying I'm sure about BKE whatsoever, but he's our best option in my book. This post stinks. You seem to be ignoring the obvious third choice for town on day 1: we lynch someone acting scummy. You're recommending we lynch BKE on the basis that you don't like people casting early judgments. This is encouraging a passive game, are you afraid of a little bit of heat? You seem to want to punish BKE for playing badly rather than lynch him for being scum, a scum's bread-and-butter move. In addition, your vote just looks like a blatant bandwagon on the guy currently leading the vote count, you only justified it afterwards when MajuGarzett questioned you about it 5 hours later. I think you are scum. ##Vote: Mandalor this is a good case and these are all things I picked up on myself when I read mandalor's posts.
I am completely fine with Mandalor and mKmKmK being lynched today. Anyone else will take some serious convincing. For now I'm going to keep my vote on mK, but in the interest of consolidation and actually lynching someone I have a scumread on, if that lynch doesn't fly I'll push Mandalor with you. Care to explain your train of thought? Over the course of 2 hours, you went from "probably town" to "completely fine with Mandalor lynch/scumread on Mandalor." Would like for you to articulate why you changed your read there.
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On July 02 2012 06:31 EchelonTee wrote:
Mattchew, adam, ve, katina; is the mK lynch good to you? Something feels a bit fishy; I need reassurance or a cold slap in the face. We narrowly have time for a mass switch; only other option I see as feasible and good is a BM lynch.
I don't like the mkmk lynch. I think that it happened all too easily. I don't think he's scummy enough to feel comfortable to lynch D1. There are other good candidates we should be focusing on like BKE or casualman. The general rule with BM is if he is causing chaos in the thread than he's town. So far he swearing and yelling at people and calling people out on their crap. There's more reason to think BM is town than Mafia. It reminds me of when people kept killing VE because he's VE.
I would sooner lynch BKE or casualman than BM.
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On July 02 2012 06:58 marvellosity wrote:Alright Matt. But you know how I felt about your posting in MTG :> looks to me like Foxtrotter or mkmkmkmk. Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 03:40 Foxtrotter wrote:Sorry i haven't posted yet ladies and gentles was a little busy and had to catch up. I've read through the thread and my opinion is that everything mK has done (or lack of) up to this point seems scummy. The fact that he has not defended him self is extremely unsettling to me. (I hope that nothing personal has happened.) With his comment of however, On June 30 2012 10:12 mKmKmK wrote:On June 30 2012 10:06 NoSmurfHere wrote:
I am a Role Name.
how quaint. vague post is vague... I am pretty comfortable voting for him on D1. ##vote mK This post makes me feel icky. Apologies for being absent, votes for mkmkmkmk for making a post - doesn't even say why the post is bad - and then continues to be absent.
Because I love myself so much, I'm quoting myself.
Can we make a Foxtrotter lynch happen? The post really screams newbie scum MO all over it. Apologising for absence, and then the excuses for voting mkmkmk - calls him a lurker basically "everything mK has done (or lack of)" despite doing even less himself. Then posts a random post of mk's like this is damning evidence.
Everything about it feels like it's a scumbie who feels they have to post and doing so by appearing to try to contribute. But the whole post is actually devoid of anything.
##Vote: Foxtrotter
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I'm going to be gone soon doing things for Canada Day. Drazerk should make the night post on time. If no night post shows up, please remain calm, and I should update the thread with the name and role of the lynched player within an hour of the deadline. Vote count updates might be a little thin, though.
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My vote is currently on mK. However, for anyone uncomfortable with their current lynch candidate, I'd suggest taking a look at drwiggl3s. Seriously.
The Good Doctor's filter is the following:
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On June 30 2012 12:14 drwiggl3s wrote:Hi all. First game + first post playing mafia so bare with me. Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 11:28 NoSmurfHere wrote:I'm not kidding, my role PM is like "you're a Role Name.". Let's kill this guy: On June 30 2012 10:12 mKmKmK wrote:On June 30 2012 10:06 NoSmurfHere wrote:
I am a Role Name.
how quaint. vague post is vague... ##vote mKmKmK My role PM also said I'm a "Role Name". So NoSmurfHere is definitely town in my books. As has been mentioned, the OP had the "role name" bit, and we can assume if scum got a VT fakeclaim it had the same text. Role name wasn't indicative of mK's alignment, not indicative of the Good Doctor's alignment either.
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On June 30 2012 18:06 drwiggl3s wrote:
##Vote BroodKingEXE
The ol' ninja vote BKE.
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Nine hours laterOn July 01 2012 05:13 drwiggl3s wrote:
Ok since some people asked, here's what I'm thinking.
I agree that BKEXE's initial posts were a tad scummy. But what gave it away to me was that after casualman voted for him, both Mattchew and BKEXE immediately returned the favour and voted for casualman to be lynched. Both without any explanation other than saying "Wtf is this". And then later, both went MIA for quite a while instead of explaining their votes or trying to defend BKEXE.
You may ask why would casualman throw his vote at BKEXE so early. It could be he is either just noob, or it could be he read BKEXE as scum (like many people are now) but just before a lot of people had the chance to.
As for other players: I find many people are soft defending BKEXE and in their posts trying to put suspicion onto others (with little reason). I see these as scummy moves.
Stop and read that third post. Please. The only post of any substance. The Good Doctor thought BKE looked scummy, but didn't mention that and didn't vote for BKE. However, after CASUALMAN of all people voted for BKE, BKE and Mattchew voted for casualman with little explanation. This makes BKE scum in drwiggl3s head.
Here is how casualman voted, by the way:On June 30 2012 14:23 casualman wrote:
I love to bandwagon. Being a newb, I can read nothing from these posts and will blindly trust in authority figures. Woohoo!
##Vote BroodKingEXE Either casualman is trolling and trolling hard, or casualman just dropped a vote that legitimately should make every go "Wtf is this?" That's a legitimate response to casualman's comment and vote. BKE's wtf is this vote for casualman is the tipping point that makes drwiggl3s read BKE as scummy and vote him, which is a terrible reason given casualman's post and vote.
I don't necessarily read casualman as scummy yet, but drwiggl3s also drops a little explanation for why casualman dropped his stupid post.
You may ask why would casualman throw his vote at BKEXE so early. It could be he is either just noob, or it could be he read BKEXE as scum (like many people are now) but just before a lot of people had the chance to.
What is this? Seriously. What is this? Everyone reads casulman's post as trolling or stupidity, and here is drwiggl3s trying to defend another player's nonsense post without prompting. WHY is he doing this? Moreover, how in the world do you get "He might be new or he might have read BKE scummy before others did" out of casualman's post?
Finally, I have to point this out. Because I think drwiggl3s is lying.
On June 30 2012 12:14 drwiggl3s wrote:
Hi all. First game + first post playing mafia so bare with me.
On July 01 2012 05:13 drwiggl3s wrote:
As for other players: I find many people are soft defending BKEXE and in their posts trying to put suspicion onto others (with little reason). I see these as scummy moves. I don't know about you guys, but I did a lot of lurking here before playing. drwiggl3s makes sure to tell us it's his first game, but then his only post of substance is describing why BKE looks a little scummier because people are SOFT DEFENDING BKE. That's not a "This is my first day cycle playing mafia" thought in my mind. That's not my thought process in the first thing I ever post. Either casualman is lying about not being a smurf, or casualman got fed that reasoning by scumbuddies. I actually lean towards the former, because casualman created his account 5/1/2012. Fresh account + "Oh I'm a newb, bear with me" + comments about soft defense = lying about being new in my mind.
tl;dr
- drwiggl3s ninja voted
- drwiggl3s later gave an AWFUL reason for his ninja vote that makes no sense
- drwiggl3s randomly props up casualman's ridiculous post
- drwiggl3s does not appear to be as new as he claims
- drwiggl3s hasn't really contributed anything helpful at all
- drwiggl3s is scum
I am currently voting mK. I am alright with my vote on mK. But the one player I'd absolutely be willing to swap to, or to try and get others to swap to, is drwiggl3s
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I'm BACK! VIVA ESPAÑA!!!!
Lets not lynch Italkians they already hurt enough after toay.
HI MARV! Want to lynch BN?
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austin, sheep me instead bro
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As much as Bill Nurray (see what I did there) is always a good lynch target, Acro, not today :>
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