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s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1833 Posts
July 01 2012 23:22 GMT
#601
Are we doing this Foxtrotter thing or not? I need to peek at his filter quick.
ATOBTTR
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 01 2012 23:24 GMT
#602
You need to read my two posts on him, not his filter.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
BroodKingEXE
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States829 Posts
July 01 2012 23:29 GMT
#603
On July 01 2012 22:44 austinmcc wrote:
However, I'd love for him to clarify his first post, given all this discussion. Broodking, you say that you don't consider those with 4 or 5 games newbies. The rest of the players seem to disagree, and I know that I do (no more newbie games allowed =/= not a newbie in my mind). IF you accept a much more broad definition of noob, like the thread seems to want, would you alter your first post? Should people with something like 4-8 games be treated like the noobs in your post, or treated like more seasoned players?


No I wouldn't alter my first post, because then I know that people are still not as confident about there actions as town. Not as confident = not as strong cases, which means we need to identify whether a said case was developed from haste or scumminess. I still think 4-8 games should be enough to get a sense of who you are in a game and what strengths and weaknesses you bring to the town.
Playing Protoss = Opponent owned
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1833 Posts
July 01 2012 23:30 GMT
#604
@marv--Yea I did that already. I'm not voting for someone until I read their shit myself, recently.

I'm not sure that one post makes him more scummy than mK, but it certainly doesn't look great. Our problem if we want to switch is there are 7 votes on BKE right now. If those people aren't here to switch, it's possible he will be the guy if we get off mK. That I don't like at all.
ATOBTTR
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 01 2012 23:31 GMT
#605
All his shit was in my post

who is your preferred lynch, s0lstice?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
NoSmurfHere
Profile Joined June 2012
New Zealand613 Posts
July 01 2012 23:31 GMT
#606
On July 01 2012 22:44 austinmcc wrote:
I'm not comfortable with a Broodking lynch right at this point, although it looks like that wagon has passed somewhat. For one thing, from what I remember, he's been mislynched a few times (out of a small sample size).
  • Newbie XIII, D1 mislynch
  • Student Mafia, D3 mislynch
  • "Area" LIII, modkilled after D3, so no mislynch. Anyone in that game remember him looking scummy?

I'll admit that I don't find "BKE often looks scummy as town" to be strong reasoning, but for D1 it's enough that I don't want lynch him. I also thought BKE had played in another game or two, but didn't see more in his profile.

However, I'd love for him to clarify his first post, given all this discussion. Broodking, you say that you don't consider those with 4 or 5 games newbies. The rest of the players seem to disagree, and I know that I do (no more newbie games allowed =/= not a newbie in my mind). IF you accept a much more broad definition of noob, like the thread seems to want, would you alter your first post? Should people with something like 4-8 games be treated like the noobs in your post, or treated like more seasoned players?


I'm alright with adding my vote to mK right now. The whole "role name" thing is actually what I thought Mattchew was referring to earlier when he said a previous poster looked super townie to him, and that was my dumb "don't think you should be trusting that" post. It's in VT pms, it's in the OP, if scum received the VT pm then they had it too, etc. Worried that mK's reaction is a blue who didn't read vs. scum who didn't read (those are the obvious options, so don't get on my junk about possibly revealing blues), but if so, he can defend himself if he ever returns to the thread. The absence in the face of votes doesn't look good to me from that standpoint.


NoSmurf, initially I read you as one of the more sensible and townie folks in the thread. However, this caught my eye somewhat:


Show nested quote +
On July 01 2012 10:23 NoSmurfHere wrote:
You seem to sincerely believe in such terrible logic, so you're probably town. However I'm not voting BKE just because it's day 1. I don't think anything he's done or said is so far particularly scummy. At no point have I agreed with that terrible case, so why bother acknowledging that the rest of you are idiots for bandwagoning him?

On the other hand mafia lurk to shake suspicion ALL the time. mK seemingly has done exactly this, and if he's mafia certainly it's working.

So, in this case, obviously I'm far more inclined to believe that the guy who is actively trying to stop a bad lynch is town whereas the scummy lurker is not. If mK is town he has a huge incentive to address the votes on him and make a case on his scumreads rather than disappear immediately after voting. Also speculating about his status is pretty stupid when I voted for him fairly quickly after he posted.



Show nested quote +
On July 01 2012 12:38 NoSmurfHere wrote:
On July 01 2012 11:47 Adam4167 wrote:
On July 01 2012 06:40 EchelonTee wrote:
Hey Adam, remember my first game? When sephirothag or whoever crucified himself for no reason? This is the MrZentor variety of it.


I do remember that game, one of my favourites. The difference between sephirotharg and casualman is that sephiroth was trying and making errors, casualman is not even trying at all, just acting obnoxiously.

Vigs, shoot him tonight. Lets not waste a lynch and a full day cycle worth of discussion on someone who is trolling us.




On July 01 2012 10:21 Mandalor wrote:
On July 01 2012 06:25 layabout wrote:
On July 01 2012 06:10 Mandalor wrote:
On July 01 2012 01:46 MajuGarzett wrote:
On July 01 2012 01:42 Mandalor wrote:
##VOTE: BKE

I expected this game to start in like a week or sth. I'll promise to catch up with the thread and be more active beginning tomorrow.

If you're not caught up why did you vote?


I had read the first ten pages and it seemed to be the best option. Haven't changed my mind now that I'vve caught up. It's day1 tho, I don't expect a 100% surefire candidate to pop up this early.

Could you maybe share some of your decision making process?

You know, so that we can see you did more than place your vote on the guy with the most votes.


sure.

On Day1, I feel like there's only two good options for town.
a) kill a lurker
b) kill a guy that causes trouble just hours into the game

I don't like option a). Playing as mafia is fun. You hang around in a chat channel and make your plans. You're probably more busy with the chat than writing in the thread, but still... you're less likely to lurk. If the mafia is smart, they will have a couple of lurkers, but definitely not the majority so the odds of killing a town lurker is a lot higher on day1.

BKE qualifies for option b). Whether or not he's mafia, I personally don't like people in my game that use words like "scummy" judging people's first post in the game. Noone has posted enough in this game that I could possibly have built a good enough opinion on them, but apparently he can do that.
I'm not even going to address his newbie-theory.

I'm not saying I'm sure about BKE whatsoever, but he's our best option in my book.


This post stinks. You seem to be ignoring the obvious third choice for town on day 1: we lynch someone acting scummy. You're recommending we lynch BKE on the basis that you don't like people casting early judgments. This is encouraging a passive game, are you afraid of a little bit of heat?

You seem to want to punish BKE for playing badly rather than lynch him for being scum, a scum's bread-and-butter move. In addition, your vote just looks like a blatant bandwagon on the guy currently leading the vote count, you only justified it afterwards when MajuGarzett questioned you about it 5 hours later.

I think you are scum.

##Vote: Mandalor


this is a good case and these are all things I picked up on myself when I read mandalor's posts.

I am completely fine with Mandalor and mKmKmK being lynched today.
Anyone else will take some serious convincing. For now I'm going to keep my vote on mK, but in the interest of consolidation and actually lynching someone I have a scumread on, if that lynch doesn't fly I'll push Mandalor with you.

Care to explain your train of thought? Over the course of 2 hours, you went from "probably town" to "completely fine with Mandalor lynch/scumread on Mandalor." Would like for you to articulate why you changed your read there.


You misread. I was calling maju probable town because of his terrible vote and case on me (though I could be wrong there, who knows.)
The second post is my only comment on mandator I've made. Two different players, no change in opinion.
The following statement is true. The previous statement is false.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22399 Posts
July 01 2012 23:32 GMT
#607
On July 02 2012 08:19 marvellosity wrote:
Vivax, you clearly don't understand where I'm coming from them. It's a mindset thing. It's not the fact he's lurking, it's the tone of his post and how he puts it across.


Yea, zero contribution while jumping on one of the bandwagons pretty clearly and apologizing for late post.

I'd probably be able to call out multiple others doing the same, so I don't get why you chose this one out of them. But probably it's cause you took a quick look after the replacement, and he's the last one behaving so bandwagony.

No, actually there's grush doing the same after him.

Why not suspect grush when you have the same reasons? Cause he posted less information?

I get the part of your argument where FT jumps on the bandwagon, but why don't you accuse grush of the same? Did you ignore his posts?
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1833 Posts
July 01 2012 23:34 GMT
#608
I was feeling pretty good about mKmKmK until I saw how the votes fell on him. Maybe it's paranoia, but like Katina said, it felt pretty easy to get him a majority.

ATOBTTR
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5261 Posts
July 01 2012 23:36 GMT
#609
Grush also looks ballz bad

I'm sticking with an mk lynch. If he flips town, fox is on deathbed.

Godspeed town.
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22399 Posts
July 01 2012 23:37 GMT
#610
EBWOP/addendum: I'm not saying that grush and FT voted the same. But grush jumped on the mK bandwagon with a simple

On July 02 2012 05:51 grush57 wrote:
Alright
##Vote: Mkmkmknmkmkmkmk


And he did that after he wrote:

On July 02 2012 04:05 grush57 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 04:03 BroodKingEXE wrote:
Your two posts on me:

On June 30 2012 15:31 Twelve wrote:
My initial thoughts are to be suspicious of Kurumi. He takes three posts to say very little, seeming to want to contribute without actually offering anything. I also agree that BroodKingEXE is suspicious for the same reasons, a long ranting post on a topic that he didn't seemed concerned about before the game started. I'm going to read the thread a bit more... just my initial thoughts.


Does it matter what I was interested in before game? I wasn't scum or townie before the game, so it wouldn't reveal anything about more alignment.

On July 01 2012 08:24 Twelve wrote:
On July 01 2012 08:12 BroodKingEXE wrote:
I think a vote count would be appropriate:

Votecount:

VisceraEyes: VisceraEyes ,Bill Murray
mKmKmK(2): NoSmurfHere, rastaban
BroodKEXE(4): Katina, casualman, VisceraEyes , ShiaoPi, Drwiggl3s
Bill Murray(1): Acrofales
Acrofales(1): Bill Murray
casualman(3): Mattchew, BroodKingEXE, casualman



This reads as scum to me. Reorganizing public information and posting it as a friendly town helping message, even though in reality it offers very little information. I hear "Hey guys, scum would never post a vote count where they are losing! Clearly BKE just has the town's best interests at heart!"

On a side note though, what reasons would there be for casualman to vote for himself if he were town?


Your going to vote for me for posting a votecount? Funny how you ninja vote right after it, maybe you saw the count and thought you could get away with it while everyone was using it to get a gauge on the accusations. A vote is a powerful indicator of whether you are scum or not, a townie doesn't need to hide it as it reveals their townieness.

Y u so scum bro


About one hour difference between the votes.

Why, marv, why did you overlook him?
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5261 Posts
July 01 2012 23:37 GMT
#611
On July 02 2012 08:34 s0Lstice wrote:
I was feeling pretty good about mKmKmK until I saw how the votes fell on him. Maybe it's paranoia, but like Katina said, it felt pretty easy to get him a majority.


You were one of the last voters ...............
..........

Ahhhhhhhhhh
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 01 2012 23:37 GMT
#612
Vivax, again you're not getting it.

NOT the fact it's simple bandwagoning. The TONE and MINDSET behind the post which I tried to explain but have clearly failed in getting across to you.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
July 01 2012 23:38 GMT
#613
I'm also fairly down with a FT lynch. I'm not liking mKmK or the same reasons I'm not likeing a BKE lynch. Let me read some filters and decide. How much time we got exactly? Like an hour and half?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22399 Posts
July 01 2012 23:38 GMT
#614
EBWOP: Not votes. Rather 'implicit reflection of his opinion' lol.
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5261 Posts
July 01 2012 23:38 GMT
#615
Vivax wtf marv isn't a concern right now. Neither is grush.
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 01 2012 23:38 GMT
#616
VE: yep, 1h22 according to my clock
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22399 Posts
July 01 2012 23:40 GMT
#617
You want to suppress me from posting information regarding them or what?

I may ask question for things I find suspicious, or may I not? I'm not asking for a vote/lynch, I'm just asking questions, and information is always town's concern.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
July 01 2012 23:41 GMT
#618
Please learn to read properly before asking questions.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
EchelonTee
Profile Joined February 2011
United States5261 Posts
July 01 2012 23:41 GMT
#619
No, we just don't have time to.talk about them right now. Talk about them in 2 hrs.
aka "neophyte". learn lots. dont judge. laugh for no reason. be nice. seek happiness. -D[9]
s0Lstice
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1833 Posts
July 01 2012 23:42 GMT
#620
On July 02 2012 08:37 EchelonTee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2012 08:34 s0Lstice wrote:
I was feeling pretty good about mKmKmK until I saw how the votes fell on him. Maybe it's paranoia, but like Katina said, it felt pretty easy to get him a majority.


You were one of the last voters ...............
..........

Ahhhhhhhhhh


Voting later excludes me from making opinions on how the votes fell on someone? I'm 1 vote out of 10 dude.
ATOBTTR
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