TL Mafia LVI - Page 97

On July 03 2012 23:42 Acrofales wrote:

Hrmmm, I disagree. I don't know when she started making decent sensible cases and pushing her reads in Jubjub, but she has not done that yet here. I guess the frivolous nonsense is more like jubjub than like MTG, but I don't get the feeling she's putting effort into scumhunting this game (see her D1 reason, and later defense of her BKE vote), whereas she was clearly doing that in jubjub.

##vote katina

On July 04 2012 03:01 Acrofales wrote:
I think the lynch should be between Vivax and Katina.

On July 04 2012 03:07 Acrofales wrote:
Oh, and just in case it's not clear from my vote, I currently favour Katina over Vivax.

On July 04 2012 06:01 Acrofales wrote:
Okay. I've read Twelve's filter and some of the points brought up about him. I now have a top 3 people I want to lynch. Twelve has some stuff that reads like scum. Compilation of the cases:



I don't know why Mattchew is making connection cases based on not-yet-flipped people, but of the two I think Twelve is more likely to flip scum and I think this case sums up his D1 behaviour. Twelve's defense consists mainly of "it was a joke" and some discussion about what a bandwagon is, which seemed okay when I hadn't read his filter and only saw the case in a list of scum. Now I'm no longer convinced.
+ Show Spoiler [Twelve's defense] +

Bugs suggested this about his apeshit behaviour at night:

I don't really see a reason why a townie would call someone godfather. Scum pushing a townie, or scum distancing himself from an actual godfather are both better explanations.

I seem to remember there being another case against Twelve which was the one that actually made him blip on my scumdar, but I cannot find it. Anyway, yeah. I'm still not completely sure about Vivax, Katina has gone awol again. Lets kill Twelve.

##unvote
##vote Twelve

On July 04 2012 21:33 Acrofales wrote:
Twelve: scum. I have my vote on him. I suggest you do the same.
ShiaoPi: uncomfortable lynching him for reasons stated above.
Katina:
grouped with ET for highest probable veteran to be scum. I actually think her case on Mandalor has merit. But her best read is on a lurker, which is kind of a cop-out for a veteran. She was under pressure, came in and made a complete throwaway case on casualman, is not pushing the case and has probably gone off to lalaland again. If someone with a better metaread can point me in the right direction I will sheep.

So far Mattchew and VE have town reads and Bugs and ghost have a scum read from meta. I was leaning scum based on the meta. Mattchew shot that down without explaining. Still waiting to hear why Katina is playing to her town meta from people with more playtime with her (particularly from Mattchew) before deciding on her. It seems clear that we're not going to get anything useful out of her today.

Vivax: still unsure on what the hell he is. Uncomfortable with lynching him at the moment

On July 05 2012 03:02 Acrofales wrote:


I downright disagree on your policy, but the list you come up with corresponds to mine. I don't like a grush lynch, but it's mainly meta (he's playing the same as in space station where I blew him up and he flipped town). Other people have referenced LV and I agree that there he played far more actively. No clue how to read him and it seems like a coinflip. I have him with kurumi, casualman, majuju and adam: I'd bet my life that there's scum in that list, but fucked if I know how many or which ones. If there's still a vig with bullets he should be shooting into this list, though. DT should also be checking these, because I have given up trying to get a read from their posts.

I actually find your whole logic on the policy completely topsy turvy and it also doesn't agree with your conclusions.

Twelve, Katina and ET all have filters that are readable. They can be analyzed. We can analyze the cases made against them too. That gives us information to work with to unravel the rest of the team. Eventually we'll have to deal with the lurker team, but with, hopefully, some aid from vigis and DTs we won't have to lynch all six of them (we don't have time anyway).

Now onto scumhunting: ET and Katina are the only two who have changed since last we chatted. Katina is here and posting. She seems unconcerned about getting lynched, which is more townie than scum. Then again, I was just told in SSB that reactions are the easiest thing to fake for scum. Still on the fence.

ET has steadily been rising. The more I read his filter the more I see reasons for scum to post the way he does and the less it appears to be townie. His utter lack of defense against the cases raised against him, and his failure to do any scumhunting today despite the promise are making him look scummier every time I look at it.

But Twelve is a better lynch, imho. There are just too many contradictions and coincidences in his filter.

#ITEM No. 1

I'm not feeling the casualman lynch as a scum lynch. I hate associative cases before we flip someone, but with Katina and Twelve both pushing casualman it just feels like the easy townie that is being thrown in front of the truck by the scumteam. I also don't buy his "most likely scum lynch": it's a coinflip. No. The most likely scumflip is Twelve.

#ITEM No. 2


I had quoted Mattchew's case mainly for its second point, which was the HORRID reasoning around his BKE vote. The first point seemed adequately explained by s0lstice as Mattchew failing reading comprehension, but the reasoning around Twelve's vote was terrible and Mattchew called him out on it. However, that doesn't really matter. The problem is with the bolded part in the reply. This reads to me like a scum who had dodged a bullet. Unfortunately for Twelve, Mafia doesn't work like that and now Mattchew's read is gaining traction. He panicked and tried to wave it off. Yes, the first part of the case was crap, but the second point was valid, and still is. Dismissing half the post as bullshit doesn't make the other half bullshit too.

ITEM No. 3
His night behaviour. How the hell do you go from "he's scum" to "he's the godfather" without some kind of prior knowledge. I don't get it and no matter how many times Twelve tells me it was a "noobie mistake" I still won't get it.

In closing, Twelve is scum and should die for his sins.

##vote Twelve
for reinforcement, my vote is already in the right spot