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On July 15 2012 07:08 NoSmurfHere wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2012 02:02 grush57 wrote:GG. Thanks for hosting, awesome flavor. On July 14 2012 07:48 Mandalor wrote:I'll stick with Maju. Kurumi, grush and casualman are really really annoying people as well. If there's no rule against dumb posting I forsee mafia games filled with trolls in the future  I had to play my town meta so I wouldn't get lynched while not helping the town, hence lurking. You weren't playing your town meta and anyone who defended you on that basis wasn't reading the thread. No offense to the scumteam, but this was (like most normals recently) firmly a town loss, not really a scum win. When no one in the game has correct reads and the only people attacking scum are scum themselves, you can do whatever you want as scum and win. I've done that myself as scum.
Town loss is a scum win nonetheless. You're correct that town was the only reason we won, but please : we probably could get away with noone dying if not the Adam modkill, BM kill for being BM and Katina check.
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Well, you still have to use the night kills to take out the people who ARE making sense, but I agree that I felt the game was won when Mattchew flipped medic.
All the large normals recently feel somewhat similar. It might be time to discuss the policy for setting up these games. I don't have any suggestions, though (I've been thinking about it, but it's a hard problem).
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On July 15 2012 07:45 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2012 07:08 NoSmurfHere wrote:On July 15 2012 02:02 grush57 wrote:GG. Thanks for hosting, awesome flavor. On July 14 2012 07:48 Mandalor wrote:I'll stick with Maju. Kurumi, grush and casualman are really really annoying people as well. If there's no rule against dumb posting I forsee mafia games filled with trolls in the future I had to play my town meta so I wouldn't get lynched while not helping the town, hence lurking. You weren't playing your town meta and anyone who defended you on that basis wasn't reading the thread. No offense to the scumteam, but this was (like most normals recently) firmly a town loss, not really a scum win. When no one in the game has correct reads and the only people attacking scum are scum themselves, you can do whatever you want as scum and win. I've done that myself as scum. Town loss is a scum win nonetheless. You're correct that town was the only reason we won, but please : we probably could get away with noone dying if not the Adam modkill, BM kill for being BM and Katina check.
To be fair, Katina got checked because she was acting suspicious. It was a good check (and BKE and ShiaoPi were good checks too). BM getting shot was very predictable and a large factor in why I decided to distance (rather strongly) on D1.
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Once Acro and Kurumi made that gambit defending a townie from a mislynch (which was quite a gamble), they had a bulletproof defense for lategame. At least for me, since I would never see scum renouncing on a mislynch.
The only remaining options in lategame were maju and grush. Maju didn't even bother defending himself, everyone on the scumteam was pointing to grush, making him actually look less suspicious. This was quite nice play by scum, so I wouldn't take credit away from the scumteam, although they had casualman casting a lot of doubt at that stage of the game.
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On July 15 2012 08:20 Vivax wrote:
Once Acro and Kurumi made that gambit defending a townie from a mislynch (which was quite a gamble), they had a bulletproof defense for lategame. At least for me, since I would never see scum renouncing on a mislynch.
The only remaining options in lategame were maju and grush. Maju didn't even bother defending himself, everyone on the scumteam was pointing to grush, making him actually look less suspicious. This was quite nice play by scum, so I wouldn't take credit away from the scumteam, although they had casualman casting a lot of doubt at that stage of the game.
I defended myself a lot more than grush did. All he did was post song lyrics. And how exactly did Acro and Kurumi voting for grush make grush look less suspicious? No one really suspected either of them.
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On July 15 2012 08:48 MajuGarzett wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2012 08:20 Vivax wrote:
Once Acro and Kurumi made that gambit defending a townie from a mislynch (which was quite a gamble), they had a bulletproof defense for lategame. At least for me, since I would never see scum renouncing on a mislynch.
The only remaining options in lategame were maju and grush. Maju didn't even bother defending himself, everyone on the scumteam was pointing to grush, making him actually look less suspicious. This was quite nice play by scum, so I wouldn't take credit away from the scumteam, although they had casualman casting a lot of doubt at that stage of the game.
I defended myself a lot more than grush did. All he did was post song lyrics. And how exactly did Acro and Kurumi voting for grush make grush look less suspicious? No one really suspected either of them.
Don't feel too bad Maju. NSH/bugs was certain you were town in obsQT and he provided links to a few posts you made that made me totally agree with him.
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On July 15 2012 08:20 Vivax wrote:
Once Acro and Kurumi made that gambit defending a townie from a mislynch (which was quite a gamble), they had a bulletproof defense for lategame. At least for me, since I would never see scum renouncing on a mislynch.
The only remaining options in lategame were maju and grush. Maju didn't even bother defending himself, everyone on the scumteam was pointing to grush, making him actually look less suspicious. This was quite nice play by scum, so I wouldn't take credit away from the scumteam, although they had casualman casting a lot of doubt at that stage of the game.
Those weren't the "only" options. In one of my last posts I even included Kurumi and Acro on the list of players who needed to be scrutinized. I would've done it myself if I lived but obviously I didn't.
You should really consider rereading the new player guides if you think that the number of people accusing someone has something to do with their alignment. It can mean that player is being bussed OR that they are town, therefore it is a relatively weak tell either way.
Too many players focus on the happenings instead of reading for motivations. That's hard to do but if no one puts in the effort for it, no scum are found. We had a great scum candidate on d2: two, in fact. Katina, and grush. However when I attacked katina, townies who weren't reading the thread opposed the lynch.
One townie cannot force his opinion upon dozens of unwilling without some sort of push that is greater than his voice. In order to fix that the most constructive way, everyone needs to participate and pull their own weight.
Imagine if we had 3-4 townies who caught at least 1 scum. Game would've been much closer then.
Also, the scum modkill kind of proves my point that scum weren't doing anything. I can guarantee Adam would've lived quite a long time just by lurking.
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On July 15 2012 08:20 Vivax wrote:
Once Acro and Kurumi made that gambit defending a townie from a mislynch (which was quite a gamble), they had a bulletproof defense for lategame. At least for me, since I would never see scum renouncing on a mislynch.
The only remaining options in lategame were maju and grush. Maju didn't even bother defending himself, everyone on the scumteam was pointing to grush, making him actually look less suspicious. This was quite nice play by scum, so I wouldn't take credit away from the scumteam, although they had casualman casting a lot of doubt at that stage of the game.
If a dude who has been calling you scum all game changes his vote because you ask him to, something is wrong.
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On July 15 2012 08:20 Vivax wrote:
Once Acro and Kurumi made that gambit defending a townie from a mislynch (which was quite a gamble), they had a bulletproof defense for lategame. At least for me, since I would never see scum renouncing on a mislynch.
The only remaining options in lategame were maju and grush. Maju didn't even bother defending himself, everyone on the scumteam was pointing to grush, making him actually look less suspicious. This was quite nice play by scum, so I wouldn't take credit away from the scumteam, although they had casualman casting a lot of doubt at that stage of the game.
You're doing it again: unless you weren't actually sharing your reads, you (nor anybody else really) had much suspicion of kurumi or myself. Therefore there was no way you could find grush less suspicious based on our votes. If grush had flipped red, THEN our push against him would've been a good bus.
@austinmcc: are you talking about my switch off twelve? I thought my explanation was quite good. I mean... I backed off vivax for the exact same reason. I actually thought that through and figured that ignoring vivax would incriminate me slightly more than following a player I had marked as scum. I have to say that I would almost certainly play the same as town: if someone brings up a solid argument for why my scum target is town, I will take that argument into account regardless of my convictions about that player. Especially if it's the same argument I brought up earlier in defense of that player.
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Acro (despite scumslip) obviously MVP of the game. Well played, sir. Very slippery indeed.
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Grush would have looked less suspicious even if the votes came from someone else.
The point is that when there's someone easy to push, it's usually indicative that he is scum if the votes on him don't gain quick momentum, cause scumteam doesn't mind placing votes quickly on townies, after making an appropriate post ofc. That's at least a theory of mine, wanted to point it out for Keirathi in 'It's not themed', since he had only 3 votes on him, but I forgot about it cause I was so busy with other issues before I got lynched :/.
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I was reading the thread and defended Katina.
But you know, whatever.
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How come when i flipped town no one read my posts?
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I hope to god you're being sarcastic.
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On July 16 2012 03:44 layabout wrote:
How come when i flipped town no one read my posts?
Layabout why'd you shoot yourself and then edit?
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On July 16 2012 04:07 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2012 03:44 layabout wrote:
How come when i flipped town no one read my posts? Layabout why'd you shoot yourself and then edit?
For the same reason you won.
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On July 16 2012 04:19 layabout wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2012 04:07 grush57 wrote:On July 16 2012 03:44 layabout wrote:
How come when i flipped town no one read my posts? Layabout why'd you shoot yourself and then edit? For the same reason you won.
Trolling?
LOL, you do realize even if I got lynched 2 days ago instead of Twelve, Acro would of carried us?
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don't think grush won coz he was a douchebag actually
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A real reason please, were you angry or something, or didn't feel like playing anymore?
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On July 16 2012 04:24 marvellosity wrote:
don't think grush won coz he was a douchebag actually
How?
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