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But then I have to think. I'm drunk and tired
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United Kingdom36161 Posts
read my post on Foxtrotter just a few ago and tell me why you don't want to lynch him ^^
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of course, i'm starting a lynch on some random person instead of bandwagoning. Read and vote with me.
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On July 02 2012 07:22 Mandalor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 02 2012 06:58 Mattchew wrote:On July 02 2012 06:57 Mandalor wrote:On July 02 2012 06:51 Mattchew wrote:On July 02 2012 06:45 Mandalor wrote:On July 02 2012 06:25 Mattchew wrote:On July 02 2012 06:23 Mandalor wrote:
I said I didn't catch up to the thread. That implies I've read parts of it. Whether that's 10 pages or 14 or 8 is irrelevant I think? I didn't know that was important. There are several people that voted and changed their mind during the course of day1. I didn't change my mind, although I'm not at all sure about BKE, but I don't see how that makes me scum. It means you did not consume all the information available to you before making an opinion. The vote seemed forced out of you by the way the thread was going. Yeah I voted before reading every page. Guilty of charge. I was afraid of being modkilled and therefore decided to place a vote early. BKE's post in question was early in the thread and it looked suspicious to me. I then decided to read the rest of the thread and I'm up to date now. So yeah, it was forced. Not forced by anyone in the game tho. Noone implied I was mafia before I voted, so - again - how does that make me scum? On July 02 2012 06:28 Mattchew wrote:On July 02 2012 06:19 Mandalor wrote:On July 02 2012 05:59 Mattchew wrote:On July 02 2012 05:38 Mandalor wrote:On July 02 2012 04:17 Mattchew wrote:Mattchew's People that need to die and why list3. MandalorFirst post of the game says he hasn't read, but still votes BKE. Cool, I like being scum and trying to blend in by voting the popular candidate too. + Show Spoiler +On July 01 2012 01:42 Mandalor wrote:
##VOTE: BKE
I expected this game to start in like a week or sth. I'll promise to catch up with the thread and be more active beginning tomorrow. Second post, he claims to have caught up, but offers literally no reason for his vote which he still agrees with. Hi scum trying not to be accountable for reads and reasons! + Show Spoiler +On July 01 2012 06:10 Mandalor wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2012 01:46 MajuGarzett wrote:On July 01 2012 01:42 Mandalor wrote:
##VOTE: BKE
I expected this game to start in like a week or sth. I'll promise to catch up with the thread and be more active beginning tomorrow. If you're not caught up why did you vote? I had read the first ten pages and it seemed to be the best option. Haven't changed my mind now that I'vve caught up. It's day1 tho, I don't expect a 100% surefire candidate to pop up this early. I wont post his whole filter, but he then goes onto explain that he voted and is voting BKE cause he causes trouble for the town early on. Is this the fault of BKE or the fault of those creating the shitstorm around him with little to no reasoning? Voting for someone because they are being highlighted in the thread and because a lot of people yell "he's scum" at him is terrible reasoning. He also says "I ignored the post-analysis option, because - and I repeat - this is Day1. I barely have a case for BKE, but I have to vote." which just encourages more people to vote ignorantly without reason. Awesome. I love how you blatantly leave out parts of my post so it alligns with what you say. Maybe I should really disregard my anti-post-analytics on day 1 policy, because that reeks of scum. I'd like to highlight that specific part again for future reference: Second post, he claims to have caught up, but offers literally no reason for his vote which he still agrees with. Also you seem to have issues with reading comprehension. I didn't say I didn't read in my first post. I said I didn't catch up, yet. Huge difference (10 pages in my situation). Obviously that only helps your case against me. Since you're making yourself so important, I guess I'll just do that too. You are now my die-list. which parts did I leave out. Did you say that you had read ten pages in that first post? That huge difference is only clarified after someone else called you on it, making it null and void because we have no way of knowing how much you read / didn't read. Did you offer any reasoning for your vote on BKE in your first 2 posts? Did you ever offer any reasons why BKE is causing the so-called trouble you are voting him for? Did you every shine light on how he is pushing a mafia agenda or acting scummy or anything about his scum-like behavior? No you just said he's causing trouble. You left my third post out and decided to summarize and add some nice flavor to it. You know, the whole voting for someone because he was highlighted yadda yadda. I never said or implied any of that. I gave my reasoning in my third post. And you repeat that I voted for BKE with no reason. It's right there. It's fine that you think I'm scum, but you're not helping town by putting words in my mouth. You just join the people that have a case against me and add some lies to it. That's nice, I think I did this in mafia 3. I gave my reasons in post 3. Nothing to add, really. Here's a link to my filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=344514&user=2074 I know the link to your filter extremely well trust me. You claim that I summarized it too vaguely. Mind telling me your reason other than his disturbance to the thread, why you think BKE is scum or a good lynch? I am just using your own words. + Show Spoiler +On July 01 2012 10:21 Mandalor wrote:
On Day1, I feel like there's only two good options for town.
a) kill a lurker
b) kill a guy that causes trouble just hours into the game
I don't like option a). Playing as mafia is fun. You hang around in a chat channel and make your plans. You're probably more busy with the chat than writing in the thread, but still... you're less likely to lurk. If the mafia is smart, they will have a couple of lurkers, but definitely not the majority so the odds of killing a town lurker is a lot higher on day1.
BKE qualifies for option b). Whether or not he's mafia, I personally don't like people in my game that use words like "scummy" judging people's first post in the game. Noone has posted enough in this game that I could possibly have built a good enough opinion on them, but apparently he can do that.
I'm not even going to address his newbie-theory.
I'm not saying I'm sure about BKE whatsoever, but he's our best option in my book. This post: On June 30 2012 10:30 BroodKingEXE wrote:On June 30 2012 10:21 s0Lstice wrote:
Hello folks. I'll be joining the ranks of the scum hunters once again (5th time in a row!). This is my first large game, so it's going to be an adjustment...but one I'm capable of making. Being that it's friday night I will be scarce, but I'll be active on saturday, and I'm sure I'll have plenty of material to analyze. Stay tuned.
Saying that this is your 5th time in a row being town-aligned has the undercurrent of convincing us you are town in this game, and you dodge posting responsibility by it being a Friday. This is a scummy post to start out with. s0lstice first post in the thread (after the game started). I still don't see anything fishy there. At this point I'm even more convinced of mK or probably even you. If I vote for mK, people will call me an obvious bandwagoner. If I vote for you, I'm throwing away my vote, looking probably even more scummy. This is a sitation I haven't been in, yet. Tbh I don't see how to clear myself. People like you seem to have made up your mind on 0 evidence and literally anything I do will make me look worse. So because you don't see anything fishy, means that someone who sees things differently then you is scum? Welcome to mafia, if you are town you are going to be voting on a LOT of mislynches. Why am i scum again? because i think you are scum? or is it because I am promoting discussion in the thread and bringing about viable reasoning for lynch candidates Okay one more post I guess. I don't understand his reasoning. It just looks like the desperate try to start a bandwagon. That's what looks fishy to me. Plus the newbie-theory which would just open up another characteristic of mafia to act like. As I said you're putting words in my mouth. You desperately try to make me look bad without hard evidence. People have called me out earlier and you just join in. No matter what happens tonight, I will remain on people's radar and you solidify that by inventing and implying stuff I never said. Just to let you know I literally used almost all of your own words that you had posted in this game. Plus the newbie-theory which would just open up another characteristic of mafia to act like. can you explain this further? Gah, I'm tired. You don't use my words when you say I voted on BKE because that was the general opinion at that time. That wasn't my reason and I never implied it was, but you make it sound like that. This is the newbie theory post I'm talking about: Show nested quote +On June 30 2012 10:03 BroodKingEXE wrote:
I want to start out discussing newbies. How are we as a town going to deal with players that are not as strong (as we do have a couple in the game)? Personally I think that these players need to be examined for the intent of their posts more than the evidence that they provide. Newbies still need to figure out what types of evidence are valid for examining a person, and we need to look at whether they are trying to draw out info from nothing or if there was actually a scummy read behind it. In the last few games I have played newbies have been lynched from poor evidence when they in fact were legitimately trying to help the town. I want everyone to take this in mind as we deal with newbies. If we followed this theory, mafia newbies could hide a LOT better. They could easily falsely analyze players as scum and ppl would just view them as a newbie doing it wrong. Afterall, they tried to "help" the town by posting analyses.
I implied that you voting him to be lynched was impacted by the amount of votes he had in the thread. Thats what a read is. I did not misquote you
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TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
Just read through the stuff that happened while I was away.
Well looks like it is going to be a mkmkmk lynch. To me it seems like we sadly have a large amount of players not really actively playing/contributing at all. (e.g. foxtrot, drwiggles, casualman), which makes a clear lynchtarget pretty hard to get since our scummy lurker category is way too big.
A lynch on mkmkmk is okayish I guess, from the bunch of not-contirbuting lurkers his switch in attitude stands out as pointed out by ET.
Still I think we would be better off lynching BKE. The lynch on one of the lurkers is pretty much a gamble in my opinion as they could just as well be desinterested/busy townies.If you look closely at BKE you will quite easily see something missing from his filter: Scumhunting
Since he got called out he has done close to 0 contribution. All the time just posting tidbits on the people who voted him. No scumhunting and layabout already phrased that correctly:
On July 02 2012 06:51 layabout wrote:
If you read through Broodking's post's you may notice that he is not very concerned about who we lynch so long as it isn't him.
He keeps jumping into argument's and telling us not to kill him rather than telling us what he thinks about other players. He put more effort into telling us he isn't a noob than he put into his vote.
I already told him to well start contributing and sharing reads but nothing there.
No chance to make a switch happen onto him?
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My read on mk was saummy lurker. Flxtroller agrees. Foxtrotter is also a scummy luriker. Not sure which one is scum :S
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I am down with a foxtrotter lynch
##unvote casualman
##vote foxtrotter
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On July 02 2012 07:57 Acrofales wrote:
My read on mk was saummy lurker. Flxtroller agrees. Foxtrotter is also a scummy luriker. Not sure which one is scum :S
acro, the point is that the scummy lurker is calling the scummy lurker scum. hypocrite central with wishy washy thrown in for good measure.
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I think BKexe might have just tied himself up in knots and I'm not confident that means he's necessarily scum. He's active enough that getting a good read on him in the coming days should be possible, whereas I feel we could be getting it wrong today.
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Nevermind. I remember. Lets lynch foxtrotter. You're making sense and I want to go to bed.
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marv, foxtrotter's post is bad. But you should sheep me instead. drwiggl3s has MORE bad posts, and they're more bad.
In Kurumispeak, the Milkman Fox may not be a colleague, but rather a member of the Circus Crew. However, the good doctor is not a doctor of the people, and certainly does not bring water for the plants. We must be vigilant, fellow labourers, for the good doctor surely tends to the health of the bears.
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Now you asked I had to go take a look. Just looks like a bunch of confused and pointless babble, which I don't read as that scummy. And the fact someone said "soft defended" doesn't not make them a noob, although I get where you're coming from.
I'm more comfortable with my lynch ta. If I ask myself "what are the scum motivations for drwiggles/foxtrotter's posts?", I have to jump through less hoops for Foxtrotter.
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Marv, how would you feel if mKmKmK ends up being the lynch target anyway?
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United Kingdom36161 Posts
Not particularly crushed.
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I feel the case on foxtrotter is more of a lurker lynch than anything else. You want to lynch him based on one post where he does something he's not alone with.
I'd prefer if people evaluated the cases against mK and Mandalor now. Mandalor's first posts before he got called out didn't ring town to me. On the other hand some people seem to swear on the kenpachi rule. I don't mind seeing how it works out this time with a mK lynch. mK also renounced in defending himself, I take that as a confirmation for scummy behavior.
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Vivax, you clearly don't understand where I'm coming from them. It's a mindset thing. It's not the fact he's lurking, it's the tone of his post and how he puts it across.
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Yea I gotta say I don't think Mandalor is scum at the moment. He hasn't played in forever, and the way he is defending himself gives me a town vibe.
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