EPTAnd also there are other reasons for not posting much other than being scum.
Right now i think it would be correct to be shooting into the lurker crowd.
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Nova_Terra
Switzerland1190 Posts
And also there are other reasons for not posting much other than being scum. Right now i think it would be correct to be shooting into the lurker crowd. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
On May 04 2012 14:43 Nova_Terra wrote: seeing as you suggested that that is a tactic, it is safe to assume that many town players do this and therefore it is a scum tactic. And so too dumb/bad to be scum is a completely valid argument. I've been here on TL Mafia for about half a year. I've played in nearly a dozen games of Mafia. I argue a lot on the internet in general. You might say I've seen a lot of arguments. I mention this to be absolutely unambigous when I say: this is some of the worst logic I have ever encountered. I suggested it's a scum tactic. That scum use. Too dumb to be scum isn't a valid argument, and the FACT that I say it isn't a valid argument can't MAKE it a valid argument. I don't even know how to interact with you after a phrase like that. On May 04 2012 14:43 Nova_Terra wrote: Also dont summarise my content incorrectly. I never said anything about having no scumreads, just none worthy of noting yet. That's the same thing. Not posting scumreads = not having scumreads. The town benefits from conversation. You were not helping. On May 04 2012 14:43 Nova_Terra wrote: Blazinghand, why would you choose me as likely to be scum instead of sinensis, for instance? Sinensis doesnt contribute, but you seem to want to defend him. This is a fair question. Allow me to explain: sinensis made this post:+ Show Spoiler + On May 03 2012 12:46 Sinensis wrote: What the hell are you talking about? If you're having a hard time digesting my first post I can try chewing it for you? How about this: I am voting grush because he refuses, yes refuses, to explain why he is doing anything he is doing. All he does is vote, unvote, apologize. That's all I expect scum to do. You are number 2 on my suspicion list Mr. papapanda. I hope you have a good rest. In this post he calls out Panda, explains his vote on grush, and says panda is a scumread of his. In this singular post he does more than you have done all game. This doesn't mean Sinensis is necessarily town. But he contributed a butt ton more than you did. On May 04 2012 14:46 Nova_Terra wrote: i resent the fact that many of the players here are well known and have much more sway because of it. I dont even feel like posting when someone will just as easily do something else and get followed. And also there are other reasons for not posting much other than being scum. Right now i think it would be correct to be shooting into the lurker crowd. I don't care WHAT your reason is for not posting much. I don't care if you're butthurt, or if you're too busy having dinner made for you by your mom. It doesn't matter, it's not relevant. What *is* relevant is this game. To win this game, we need to talk. You haven't been talking. You still haven't posted a legit scumread. Currently your most aggressive pressure on sinensis is: Im just keeping sinensis at the back of my mind. Are you serious? You think that's helping? That a phrase like THAT will pressure him into responding to allegations? That's so waffly, so utterly useless, so inconceivably deprived of utility, that I can't even say you've done anything this game. Anything at all. Scum. | ||
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sinani206
United States1959 Posts
On May 04 2012 13:35 slOosh wrote: Dear Paqman, please stop spamming and consolidate your posts. You hold 60% of the posts this page, and it makes it harder for us to read everything. Still waiting for something from sinani206. ##Vote: sinani206 Nice two posts about me. Got anything on anyone else? Also, to confirm, day ends at 21:00 GMT (+00:00), right? | ||
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johnnywup
United States3858 Posts
Also, I haven't been as active in this game so far because I've been really busy with LIII. I'll try get some reads in tomorrow. | ||
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Kurumi
Poland6130 Posts
On May 04 2012 15:00 sinani206 wrote: Nice two posts about me. Got anything on anyone else? Also, to confirm, day ends at 21:00 GMT (+00:00), right? Ay! EDIT: Actually it's extended by one hour. Heavy is Pootis. | ||
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Barundar
Denmark1582 Posts
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Eiii
United States2566 Posts
I'm not going to be voting for grush today unless something crazy happens before the deadline. Tossing aside his random bandwagon vote I don't think he responded to the pressure unreasonably. I mean, I'd be pretty upset as well if I was being pressured to put out analysis posts when the rest of town's strategy was jump-down-people's-throats-at-the-drop-of-a-hat-and-see-what-sticks. Either way, he's said some things and eyes will be on him now in the future. If he disappears or slips up, we'll notice. I'm going to spoiler this next bit because I managed to start writing it and then realized I was probably wrong about halfway through and my position changed from 'this guy's scum' to 'eh'. + Show Spoiler + Between this: On May 03 2012 10:15 papapanda wrote: It is reasonable to vote for blubb if no one else comes out with major slip-ups, and the town has to lynch someone. Otherwise I would sit back and wait for N1 or D2 when more information might be available. Which people have already called him out on, and this: On May 03 2012 22:31 papapanda wrote: A 1.2 line defense? Only a little better than grush. Some of us are obviously more seasoned than others. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't I play with you before in my first game? The way I see it is when we have two suspicious guys, I would lynch the more experienced person because there is less possibility that his mistakes are due to the fact that he was careless or ignorant. In which he brushes off david's requested explanation for his actions (because apparently length is everything). But then I went back and looked at the context again and realized that he was just putting more pressure on because david was crazy-overreacting to being called out for the minor blue-hunting he was doing right off the bat, which is pretty reasonable. So, nevermind. Panda seems pretty cool. I'll have to vote tomorrow-- I've got an hour I can use to find someone. | ||
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SomethingAwesome
Kiribati58 Posts
On May 03 2012 08:04 layabout wrote: I just want to warn all of the "area 53" guys that policy lynching is no better an option in this game than it ever was before. I know that a few of you are currently feeling like we should place all lurkers and confusing posters into the fire. But the majority of those players will be town and lynching into them is likely to kill (admittedly useless) townies. We are going to be polite in this game. We are going to vote at appropriate times. We are going to act in town's interest's using methods that are simple and explainable. And we are going to destroy red. Besides this 100% generic first post and a few useless filler post (and a great .jpg) you post this: On May 04 2012 07:35 layabout wrote: BH you are just bitter because you blew your own leg off after you tried to rocket jump with the wrong boots on. I think killing something awesome could be a good move. If we still have no candidates when i get up then i think we should just lynch BM. Why? The post kind off got lost in the spam, but I'm wondering why you would post that? While I can't really disagree with the idea of killing me/us (there is nothing to disagree with because there is no reasoning) and the BM thingy is not only mentioned by you, why are you posting this? Is it helping town? No. Is it helping you get better reads? No. Then why? About grush... Hmm... The cases on him are weak, even when thinking about this being day1. While we can agree that he haven't exactly helped town I have a hard time finding anything really scummy. This post actually makes him look very townie: On May 03 2012 10:20 grush57 wrote: You have 30 minutes to explain this or we will lynch you off your just made policy. And people. This post is an example of how to make 1 post that actually have contend and might be worth reading again. Instead of posts like these: + Show Spoiler + On May 04 2012 10:37 PaqMan wrote: Well this is coooooooool. Let's make this game easy for scum. On May 03 2012 11:11 papapanda wrote: ^^? On May 03 2012 11:18 Kenpachi wrote: thats a poor "look above" symbol not ^_^ ^_^! ^_^! On May 03 2012 13:36 johnnywup wrote: its 48 hour days I thought though? ##FoS toward Grush for obvious reasons Etc... //Dirk | ||
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blubbdavid
Switzerland2412 Posts
And I will stop tunneling grush for the time being, maybe he will come up with something useful. Still, I would be interested in papapanda's opinion. And katina, do some scumhunting. What is your opinion on grush? For Blazinghand, I think that he is townie, he's pretty active and is even making sense somehow. BM is still lurking scum imo. | ||
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Zealos
United Kingdom3571 Posts
On May 04 2012 17:11 Eiii wrote: Day 1 absentee checking in! I feel bad about only getting one post in in the first ~36 hours and I'm gonna make an effort to contribute more this game so have a chunk of text: I'm not going to be voting for grush today unless something crazy happens before the deadline. Tossing aside his random bandwagon vote I don't think he responded to the pressure unreasonably. I mean, I'd be pretty upset as well if I was being pressured to put out analysis posts when the rest of town's strategy was jump-down-people's-throats-at-the-drop-of-a-hat-and-see-what-sticks. Either way, he's said some things and eyes will be on him now in the future. If he disappears or slips up, we'll notice. I'm going to spoiler this next bit because I managed to start writing it and then realized I was probably wrong about halfway through and my position changed from 'this guy's scum' to 'eh'. + Show Spoiler + Between this: On May 03 2012 10:15 papapanda wrote: It is reasonable to vote for blubb if no one else comes out with major slip-ups, and the town has to lynch someone. Otherwise I would sit back and wait for N1 or D2 when more information might be available. Which people have already called him out on, and this: On May 03 2012 22:31 papapanda wrote: A 1.2 line defense? Only a little better than grush. Some of us are obviously more seasoned than others. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't I play with you before in my first game? The way I see it is when we have two suspicious guys, I would lynch the more experienced person because there is less possibility that his mistakes are due to the fact that he was careless or ignorant. In which he brushes off david's requested explanation for his actions (because apparently length is everything). But then I went back and looked at the context again and realized that he was just putting more pressure on because david was crazy-overreacting to being called out for the minor blue-hunting he was doing right off the bat, which is pretty reasonable. So, nevermind. Panda seems pretty cool. I'll have to vote tomorrow-- I've got an hour I can use to find someone. So what opinion do you actually have. You got any scumreads? | ||
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
Grushes case is a strange one for sure. It's one of the only cases made in this game so far, and he just crumbled and gave in and played the pity me card. This could be a town or mafia trait, the only interesting thing to me is how hard it has been to get votes onto him, 4 in about a day, and the fact that a lot of people are just dropping one liners defending him without proper reason and jumping onto the next person. Still think there is a good chance he could be scum. Here is our only inactive atm (plenty of lurkers right now): Beneather Also, Layabout what song are you listening to? | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
On May 04 2012 15:00 sinani206 wrote: Nice two posts about me. Got anything on anyone else? Also, to confirm, day ends at 21:00 GMT (+00:00), right? Why, as a townie, do you show absolutely no interest in proving your innocence in the form of contributions? | ||
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SomethingAwesome
Kiribati58 Posts
On May 04 2012 22:58 Mementoss wrote: BH, I agree with most of your points on Nova Terra I actually had the same notes as you did. His response today was also lackluster. In the games I played/observed with when he was vanilla town he was all over the place trying to push discussion. I think his "im intimidated by vets" is just an excuse for him to lurk and post when it feels convenient. Not committed to saying anything solid, stuff like I don't think hes scum for sure, and I'll keep him in the back of my mind. It could be a situation where Nova rolled scum. Grushes case is a strange one for sure. It's one of the only cases made in this game so far, and he just crumbled and gave in and played the pity me card. This could be a town or mafia trait, the only interesting thing to me is how hard it has been to get votes onto him, 4 in about a day, and the fact that a lot of people are just dropping one liners defending him without proper reason and jumping onto the next person. Still think there is a good chance he could be scum. Here is our only inactive atm (plenty of lurkers right now): Beneather Also, Layabout what song are you listening to? Don't talk about Beneather. No reason to. When/If he post he will be a target for now leave him be. On May 04 2012 14:46 Nova_Terra wrote: i resent the fact that many of the players here are well known and have much more sway because of it. I dont even feel like posting when someone will just as easily do something else and get followed. And also there are other reasons for not posting much other than being scum. Right now i think it would be correct to be shooting into the lurker crowd. This post is just wrong in so many ways. First of all you are trying to point out that you feel the vets are pushing this game around? Which vets? Palmar(With his 4 posts of nothing)? BH(Who is his usual aggressive self)? Drazerk in the hydra? who else? This game is very low on so called Vets. The perfect oppotunity for you to push your thoughts and ideas through. Not posting is never really a good idea. Not saying its necesarily bad but rarely good. I just don't understand the reason for posting this unless you feel you made the perfect case and no one listened... which is clearly not the case... Mementoss: Don't use the "Its hard to get votes for him so he must be scum" reasoning. Thats stupid. There are only 5 scum that leaves 22 townies. So if he is scum 18 townies haven't voted him... | ||
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SomethingAwesome
Kiribati58 Posts
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Nova_Terra
Switzerland1190 Posts
On May 04 2012 14:57 Blazinghand wrote: 1. I've been here on TL Mafia for about half a year. I've played in nearly a dozen games of Mafia. I argue a lot on the internet in general. You might say I've seen a lot of arguments. I mention this to be absolutely unambigous when I say: this is some of the worst logic I have ever encountered. I suggested it's a scum tactic. That scum use. Too dumb to be scum isn't a valid argument, and the FACT that I say it isn't a valid argument can't MAKE it a valid argument. I don't even know how to interact with you after a phrase like that. 2. That's the same thing. Not posting scumreads = not having scumreads. The town benefits from conversation. You were not helping. 3.This is a fair question. Allow me to explain: sinensis made this post:+ Show Spoiler + On May 03 2012 12:46 Sinensis wrote: What the hell are you talking about? If you're having a hard time digesting my first post I can try chewing it for you? How about this: I am voting grush because he refuses, yes refuses, to explain why he is doing anything he is doing. All he does is vote, unvote, apologize. That's all I expect scum to do. You are number 2 on my suspicion list Mr. papapanda. I hope you have a good rest. In this post he calls out Panda, explains his vote on grush, and says panda is a scumread of his. In this singular post he does more than you have done all game. This doesn't mean Sinensis is necessarily town. But he contributed a butt ton more than you did. 4. I don't care WHAT your reason is for not posting much. I don't care if you're butthurt, or if you're too busy having dinner made for you by your mom. It doesn't matter, it's not relevant. What *is* relevant is this game. To win this game, we need to talk. You haven't been talking. You still haven't posted a legit scumread. Currently your most aggressive pressure on sinensis is: 5.Are you serious? You think that's helping? That a phrase like THAT will pressure him into responding to allegations? That's so waffly, so utterly useless, so inconceivably deprived of utility, that I can't even say you've done anything this game. Anything at all. Scum. 1. You suggested its a scum tactic. It doesnt make sense to say that its a common scum tactic when town dont do it commonly. Now it just seems like you are purposely misunderstanding me. 2. Just wrong, I can have scumreads that i do not feel should be posted until i can get more infos to back them up. as i do. 3. Fair answer 4. That wasnt a post as an excuse for lurking. Its that for instance a known name like you will have a better sway than say, me, in a random trust based situation. Just saying how that bothers me. Its just how it is. I will not be pressured into making a scumread while it still has a very high probability of error because of very low post count. If this was a newbie game, i wouldnt have a problem with making a scumread this early and voting on it. but it isnt, and so far I do not find it advantageous to play as if it was. 5. Its obvious that he isnt responding to allegations as of yet, therefore im waiting for him to post more or not post at all. I dont see a problem with saying that im keeping him in my mind. OH maybe if you tell me that im scum more my role will change | ||
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froggynoddy
United Kingdom452 Posts
On May 04 2012 23:45 SomethingAwesome wrote: Don't talk about Beneather. No reason to. When/If he post he will be a target for now leave him be. why? Inactives and lurkers are killing this day 1, its allowign scum to hide amongst them. I'd almost be up for changing my vote onto him if it gets him to contribute. I aso agree with Mementoss, Grush's case is weak but its the only case we have. | ||
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Nova_Terra
Switzerland1190 Posts
On May 04 2012 22:58 Mementoss wrote: BH, I agree with most of your points on Nova Terra I actually had the same notes as you did. His response today was also lackluster. In the games I played/observed with when he was vanilla town he was all over the place trying to push discussion. I think his "im intimidated by vets" is just an excuse for him to lurk and post when it feels convenient. Not committed to saying anything solid, stuff like I don't think hes scum for sure, and I'll keep him in the back of my mind. It could be a situation where Nova rolled scum. Post a solid statement, not pretty much agree with someone and rephrase their stuff. Also i find this funny Not committed to saying anything solid, stuff like I don't think hes scum for sure It could be a situation where Nova rolled scum. Just lol | ||
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froggynoddy
United Kingdom452 Posts
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froggynoddy
United Kingdom452 Posts
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SomethingAwesome
Kiribati58 Posts
On May 05 2012 00:20 froggynoddy wrote: why? Inactives and lurkers are killing this day 1, its allowign scum to hide amongst them. I'd almost be up for changing my vote onto him if it gets him to contribute. I aso agree with Mementoss, Grush's case is weak but its the only case we have. He havent posted yet. He isn't lurking he is just not here. If he pops up I'll bring my entire wrath down on him but until he does he is a modkill to me so I see no reason to waste time arguing over him. So you think we should kill Grush because its the only case? You don't really care who we lynch? | ||
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