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I'm going to move my vote off Palmar as that is clearly not going to get any traction. By no means do I think he is any better off than when I first voted him. In fact, he has a worse standing to me as we are this late in the day.
##Unvote: Palmar
The 2 people I have been looking at as suspicious for a while now are Layabout and Katina.
-Layabout caught my eye with his first post. On May 03 2012 08:04 layabout wrote:
I just want to warn all of the "area 53" guys that policy lynching is no better an option in this game than it ever was before. I know that a few of you are currently feeling like we should place all lurkers and confusing posters into the fire. But the majority of those players will be town and lynching into them is likely to kill (admittedly useless) townies.
We are going to be polite in this game.
We are going to vote at appropriate times.
We are going to act in town's interest's using methods that are simple and explainable.
And we are going to destroy red.
This post came largely out of nowhere. It seems like a very standard opener, but it had no relevance to the state of the thread at that point. And the addressing the few of us that wanted to put lurkers and confusing lurkers to death is also strange as none of those people had spoken up yet. This post sounded to me like Layabout was not comfortable chiming in on the current situation (attacking/defending blubb's play) and instead made this post which looks pretty standard and safe, but in context is completely out of place. However, even this on top of points others have made is not enough to earn my vote because of Katina.
-Katina I believe I have caught in a lie. When I first read this post it rang a bell for me but it did not connect until I reread it yesterday. On May 03 2012 08:39 Katina wrote:
Mr. Blazinghand I say this once and once only. I'm not mafia. Point your Blazinghand at someone who actually deserves it.
I was reminded of this TED talk. Start just after the 7minute mark as that is what I am referring to.
1. Underlined- overly formal showing that he is overly determined in this denial.
2. Italicized- qualifying language.
3. Bolded- A 'stop wasting time' statement very similar to Pres. Clinton's in the clip.
That is the core of my case against Katina but there are a few other things worth noting like this post:
On May 03 2012 08:37 Katina wrote:
O.o I think you are grabbing at air here. It's suspicious that he was quick to throw suspicion and blame. Mafia like to shift people's attention onto a person. That's all I was getting at. This comes right before the above quote. It shows a pretty sudden change in attitude and tone as well as making a claim that does nothing to exonerate him. In this post it is all pronouns, a smilie, a statement designed to mollify BH. ("That's all I was getting at") Then, not 2 minutes later when Katina gears up to deny being scum we get the switch to formal language and a frustrated tone.
He also says this, "Mafia like to shift people's attention onto a person." This is an incredibly generic statement that serves no purpose. It could be said that this is exactly what Katina has done in these posts: (1)(2)(3) Which still does not mean anything because I'm pretty sure I could make a list like that for most the people in this game. So what is the point? To demonstrate that Katina is scumhunting? using a standard that would make virtually all of us guilty?
##Vote: Katina
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On May 05 2012 02:18 layabout wrote:@ SomethingAwesome i feel like killing you because you were posting stuff like this and this. You first post is totally unsubstantiated. You were asked by multiple player to explain you second post but your explanation is very weak Show nested quote +Answering for others IMO is super scummy because it means you know what they are thinking and what their motivations are, aka what alignment they are. Even though townies answer questions addressed to others all of the time. Why would you try to analyse the contents of that quote? How on earth could saying "Me is hardcore BLU" have any relation to that players alignment? @ Mementoss i am listening to a song called "no brains" since we still have no real candidate ##vote Bill Murrayreasons: anti-town when town anti-town when scum lurks a lot when he is active he is disruptive This is a policy lynch.
Wow you really don't like my other head.
I won't answer on his behalf, but I do find your case rather weak. You have taken the "answering other people questions" out of context. I agree that townies answer question intended for others all the time, but answering with other peoples thought and way of thinking (which is the way I understood my other head) is quite scummy.
I don't really like layabout much. His inconsistency and lacking response to why his policy lynch is now a good option compared to earlier. The generic first post as pointed out by myself and better pointed out by DoYouHas. If he want to kill us why not vote us instead of steering town towards a werd policy lynch on BM.
(I'm not defending BM. Don't care if he live or die so far)
##Vote Layabout
//Dirk
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DoYouHas, how come you didn't notice that you thought that my post was scummy until two other people had literally just called me scum?
And there was no reason to comment on blub. That discussion was about something very minor with little relevance to anything
On May 05 2012 03:57 blubbdavid wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 03:41 layabout wrote:
We have nobody that looks like scum.
This is the best way to use the lynch. What about grush?
On May 05 2012 03:06 layabout wrote:
Day1:
killing a player that will be a detriment to town for the remainder of the game
Vs
lynching an "active poster that is overreacting to pressure whose posting should improve because they are clearly putting in effort" under the pretext of gaining information day1
Everything we do "generates information". We should not pursue an inferior course of action because it will give us "information". If you are considering doing something for information then ask yourself whether of not the information you expect to gain will be of any worth. If we lynch grush we might get a few more polarised opinions about whether we should kill him and that is not worth much.
the second bit is about grush..
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DYH: the post you quoted of layabout's - pretty much (as I understand it - because that's how I felt too) is referring to the town in LIII which was... fractious, shall we say.
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But grush admitted scum, and yet you don't see him as lynchcandidate.
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Grush's initial missteps and then claiming scum twice (even if it is sarcastic) makes him a decent lynch.
You all seem to be avoiding having an opinion on the main part of my post.
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On May 05 2012 05:00 DoYouHas wrote:
Grush's initial missteps and then claiming scum twice (even if it is sarcastic) makes him a decent lynch.
You all seem to be avoiding having an opinion on the main part of my post.
Your analysis on Katina's 'lie' seems to be sound enough, the problem I have with it is that Katina generally has quite an odd posting style, so I'm not sure how much I should make of it, especially as the post in question was aimed at renowned finger-pointer BlazingHand.
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On May 05 2012 04:46 layabout wrote:
DoYouHas, how come you didn't notice that you thought that my post was scummy until two other people had literally just called me scum?
I made note of that first post as soon as I read it, but it is hardly convincing by itself. Then I was busy going after Palmar. Other people going after you IS what prompted me to mention my own observation about you, but it is not what brought you to my attention in the first place.
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Aside: Stop talking / referring to unfinished mafia games.
layabout, any reason why its BM over Kenpachi or any other lurker?
Looking over katina right now
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Katina has made posts indicative of intelligence.
I do not think we should lynch katina.
Do other people think that this is BS?
On May 05 2012 04:46 SomethingAwesome wrote:
I don't really like layabout much. His inconsistency and lacking response to why his policy lynch is now a good option compared to earlier. The generic first post as pointed out by myself and better pointed out by DoYouHas. If he want to kill us why not vote us instead of steering town towards a werd policy lynch on BM.
(I'm not defending BM. Don't care if he live or die so far)
##Vote Layabout
//Dirk
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On May 05 2012 05:06 slOosh wrote:
Aside: Stop talking / referring to unfinished mafia games.
layabout, any reason why its BM over Kenpachi or any other lurker?
Looking over katina right now
because i have played more games with him
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Care to explain yourself why its BS instead of getting other people to find excuses for you?
//Dirk
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On May 05 2012 05:10 layabout wrote:Katina has made posts indicative of intelligence. I do not think we should lynch katina. Do other people think that this is BS? Show nested quote +On May 05 2012 04:46 SomethingAwesome wrote:
I don't really like layabout much. His inconsistency and lacking response to why his policy lynch is now a good option compared to earlier. The generic first post as pointed out by myself and better pointed out by DoYouHas. If he want to kill us why not vote us instead of steering town towards a werd policy lynch on BM.
(I'm not defending BM. Don't care if he live or die so far)
##Vote Layabout
//Dirk
Why is SA's post BS? And where does katina make posts indicative of intelligence and how does it show a town alignment?
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Mmm. Ninja'd. Hopefully will soon have access to proper computer and able to post efficiently.
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Blazinghand:
I hate to be stepping into your line of fire, but I didn't find NT's post to be as bad as you make it sound like it is. Actually, I found that many of the points he made was very similar to the ones I tried to make.
I agree with you on "too dumb to be scum" is not an argument at all but I also do not believe grush to be scum, even though he isn't helping much (blubbdavid, I said this in my previous post but this is basically all my thought on grush as of now).
In fact, I share NT's suspicion of sinensis, and I assure you this is not just OMGUS. My original comment was just to get him to further explain his vote because he actually didn't say anything before his second response. I was shocked at what I believe to be an over-defensive reaction, one that might be coming from having something to hide, from sin. Given, he did provide sufficient evidence of reasoning, but he's accusation of me can hardly be called a read(from yourself, blazinghand).
I am still undecided on a vote. I have some gut feelings about a few persons but no evidence to base that off of.
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point 1
I don't really like layabout much
i hope that this is your way of calling me scummy and not jsut saying that you have a personal dislike you me
point 2
His inconsistency and lacking response to why his policy lynch is now a good option compared to earlier
well for one thing i wrote this yesterday:
I think killing something awesome could be a good move. If we still have no candidates when i get up then i think we should just lynch BM.
time passed and no decent candidate emerged <------- the reason why it was a better option than it was at the very start of the day
so i voted for BM
point 3
The generic first post as pointed out by myself and better pointed out by DoYouHas
You are just saying "because of what DYH said".
However, his point was that my post was not addressing what was going on in the thread and he speculates that this is because i was not confortable posting about blubs play. That was not the case, i did not add more to that discussion because it was baseless, fruitless, pointless and made my left eye weep.
see http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=14591633
point 4
If he want to kill us why not vote us instead of steering town towards a werd policy lynch on BM.
see point 2
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Are like 10 players getting modkilled for not voting or am I missing something?
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Bah isn't deadline in 30 minutes??? I'm down for a katina vote, as outlined by DYH and BH before me.
Her filter shows that she has likes and dislikes of what's going on, but she doesn't take that into figuring out alignments.
##Vote Katina
As for layabout since he is here he can answer the questions.
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On May 05 2012 05:29 slOosh wrote:
Are like 10 players getting modkilled for not voting or am I missing something?
I've not voted yet as I have no certainty whatsoever over who I should be voting for.
Deadline in 1hr 30, right?
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