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Why use racial slurs if you are not a racist? It is completely mind boggling to me. "Im not a nazi but I will wear this swastika sweater to work cause its pretty neat".
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Holy shit, we're debating about concentration camps now? Don't watch a soccer team if you don't like how they play. Don't support a political party if you don't like what they say. Don't watch his stream if you don't like what Destiny says.
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Yeah guys lets all have a good game and shake hands after. Oh wait, im not watching fucking cricket.
Gogo destiny, tell these idiots to stfu.
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On May 02 2012 02:18 intrigue wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 02:12 Destiny wrote:On May 02 2012 02:00 intrigue wrote:
guys, i'd like to let you know that i've suffered a bit in my life. that means i know what the world is like. i also never make mistakes, because, as i've mentioned, i've been through some hardship. this qualifies me to make sweeping social critiques that spans way beyond any of our lifetimes. fuck the empty media! Seriously? Who is this faggot? I thought the colored name or w/e meant he was a mod or some shit? How fucking mad are you right now, bro? did i hit it right on the nail? why would i be mad? it seems that that question is only asked when you run out of things to say. god you're so desperate
You spam this thread insulting destiny and begging for a response. Then when he finally does, you call him desperate.
TL level moderators right here.
User was temp banned for this post.
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Threads like this remind me why I hate this community so much.
Just ask yourself, what will be the net effect of you writing to Razor and other sponsors directly?
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On May 02 2012 02:17 Sea_Food wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 02:12 Xpace wrote:
The fact that the (TL) community sort of 'accepts' the fact that Destiny is popular because of BM, regardless of what form it is, as 'normal', is surprising. I've had my share of warnings and temp bans for voicing ugly opinions, but to me they're still my opinions and I don't always have to be polite and eloquent if I want my point made, regardless of how people take it. I don't really care if he talks smack or not, everyone does it to a certain degree.
On TL you get banned/warned when ONE of the quadrillion mods of TL has a personal problem with anything you say or think. If there are 50 mods then who think that you should not be banned, you will not get unbanned. I am not 100% sure how the featured stream judging works on TL, but I think that every TL mod do not have a button to unfeature a streamer because they disagree with an opinion.
that's because tl is a private site and the mods are there to mod the forums.
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On May 02 2012 02:01 Myrddraal wrote:
Here is my letter to Razer (support-us@razersupport.com) regarding my support for Razer's current and past support of Quantic and the Starcraft 2 scene in general. I encourage everyone else to submit letters of a similar theme.
Sponsoring teams and the Starcraft community allows them grow and foster. By supporting sponsors, we do the community far more good than harm.
Let's make sponsors feel welcome in the community - far more sponsors will show interest in SC2, if they feel that supporting the community will in turn gain them our support.
Greetings,
I would like to express my gratitude in Razer's decision to sponsor the Starcraft 2 team Quantic and all other gaming related sponsorship's due to the amount that the communities gain from such sponsorship.
Like many viewers, I see that the fledgling Esport community can only continue to grow and that your support helps this considerably. I consider continued sponsorship of Quantic as a great benefit to our community, and hope that you continue to do so in the future.
As such, I hope that you do not listen to the minority and continue your support of the gaming community, if you do, I personally vow to buy a Razer keyboard and mouse to go with the quality Razer headset I already own.
Thank you and best regards,
- [insert name here]
Do not send emails to the sponsors. Let the team have more than 24 hours to deal with the issue. Even if they wanted to cut Destiny, they would need to speak with their attorneys and review his contract.
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On May 02 2012 02:12 Destiny wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 02:00 intrigue wrote:
guys, i'd like to let you know that i've suffered a bit in my life. that means i know what the world is like. i also never make mistakes, because, as i've mentioned, i've been through some hardship. this qualifies me to make sweeping social critiques that spans way beyond any of our lifetimes. fuck the empty media! Seriously? Who is this faggot? I thought the colored name or w/e meant he was a mod or some shit? How fucking mad are you right now, bro?
Ok, some people are trying to engage you in a reasonable discussion, but this is just ridiculous. Please, if you want to get anywhere with this thread, keep a level head and do not resort to homophobic name-calling and 'umad' nonsense.
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hahaha just petition for him to be banned from tournaments or get kicked out of quantic. not much else you can do to this guy who has no respect for anyone.
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On May 02 2012 02:16 ThomasHobbes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 02:11 Klondikebar wrote:On May 02 2012 02:09 ThomasHobbes wrote:On May 02 2012 01:59 Klondikebar wrote:On May 02 2012 01:43 Destiny wrote:On May 02 2012 01:11 Klondikebar wrote:On May 02 2012 01:07 Destiny wrote:Sigh, I promised myself I wouldn't dive into this thread, but I can't resist... On May 02 2012 00:44 SherlockTV wrote:So just because you are a player means you can act like an immature teenager, ignorant to other people's feelings and devoid of any human empathy? Destiny doesn't have empathy because if he knew what the words meant to some people, he would stop using them. His opinions that either its "stupid" or "illogical" to have such negative feelings attached to racial words just means that he simply does not understand individuality. "Ignorant to other people's feelings"? Maybe if I spammed him with messages after the game, or added him and told my stream to harass and stalk him. Maybe if I messaged him on Skype or sent him e-mails. Calling someone a nigger/faggot/gook/cheese/piece of shit/queer/mother fucker/step-mother fucker etc...at the end of a game before leaving? You honestly think that people who rage at the end of games lack empathy? You should be a psychiatrist! If I knew what WHAT words meant to WHAT people? Lots of people find different words offensive. List of possible offensive words - faggot - offensive to the gay community nigger - offensive to the black community gook - offensive to asians(?) spic - offensive to hispanics retarded - offensive to mentally challenged rape - offensive to rape victims snipe - offensive to war veterans nuke - offensive to descendants of hiroshima survivors grammar nazi - offensive to descendants of concentration camp survivors murdered - offensive to people who've experienced death in family cancer on the community - offensive to people who've suffered from cancer Now, here's the fun part. Without sounding like a bigot, I want you to tell me which words I can and cannot say, and why certain groups of people are special enough to have certain words not said for them, and the others are unworthy of said "protected status". Good luck! I love this at the end..."His opinions that either its "stupid" or "illogical" to have such negative feelings attached to racial words just means that he simply does not understand individuality." Because nothing says individuality like taking offense to a simple word spoken out of context that at one point in time was used to insult a collective group of individuals. On May 02 2012 00:44 SherlockTV wrote:Destiny holds that his opinions are right and really does not have any room to be wrong because of how "logical" and "good with people" he is. Eh, I could be humble here, but nah, fuck that. I'm pretty damned good with people. Ask anyone who sees me at any MLG, I'll stop and sign anything or take a picture with anyone, regardless of the length of the line. People that you guys hold to much higher "friendly" standards, though, such as Day9, Huk, Nony, and others? They SPLIT the second they think a crowd is gathering and they do their best to stay away from any places where they could be mobbed. So how do you judge whether someone is "good with people"? Is it based on the facade they put up when they know they're under the public eye? Or is it based on how they actually interact with other people? On May 02 2012 00:44 SherlockTV wrote:Clearly any human being would understand that just because you feel like they are just words, doesn't mean they aren't hundreds of years of history for person. Ah, my bad. I was unaware of the several hundred year old stream viewers I have. I'll try to cater to that audience more. Seriously, though? You want me to cater to an audience of people that define themselves based on some insulting words that someone said about their ancestors hundreds of years ago? If we played that game, there are tons of other words we should cut out of our dictionary (for just black people, I can think of the word "boy", "negro", and "colored", and I'm sure there are many more for many other groups of people). On May 02 2012 00:44 SherlockTV wrote:I really hope this man (yes, sadly he is a man, not a child, or we could forgive his foolishness without a second thought) experiences some of the hardship that others have experienced in the past. Maybe it will come in the form of income inequality or maybe in the form of his child being bullied at school. Maybe then he will learn his lesson that he should respect other cultures and other people if he wants to be respected himself: that respect is earned and not a right. Ah, now here, I'm going to have to call you a brainless fucking piece of shit. I can't even believe you would have the audacity to fucking call me out on something like that. You have absolutely no fucking idea what I have or haven't experienced in my past. A lot of the immature and childish bullshit that you call "hardship" (OH NO SOMEONE SAID NIGGER, OH GOD HE SAID FAGGOT, OH NO HE MADE FUN OF MY PANTS) PALES in comparison to a lot of the shit I've had to deal with in my life. Maybe the difference in perspective is one of the reasons why I'm able to look past absolutely pointless bullshit like this and someone like you turns it into the focal point of a huge discussion. You want my child to get bullied in high school? Seriously, I would dedicate all 130 lbs of my tiny frame into the beating the shit out of you if I ever saw you in person wishing that on my son. If you think the only way to learn respect about someone else is to suffer, then you're sadly misguided, and incredibly stupid. On May 02 2012 00:44 SherlockTV wrote:That's my two cents. I don't watch his stream because it provides him income to continue what he's doing. Honestly, this should have been the only thing you wrote in your post. I agree 100% with this. If you don't like the things I say or the way I act, don't watch my stream. Less people watching me = less money for me, meaning I either A) have to change the way I behave, or B) fade away from the public eye. On May 02 2012 00:44 SherlockTV wrote:I think any community that is a community at all would see his stream has a negative impact on it and would seek to prevent it by de-listing his stream. Negative impact on the community? I have the most viewer hours of any current SC2 streamer. You don't think that counts for anything? On May 02 2012 00:44 SherlockTV wrote:Clearly he does not paint an accurate picture of our community of gamers and e-sports. Ah, that's why so many people watch me. I understand now. On May 02 2012 00:44 SherlockTV wrote:Why would we want to be associated with such a bigoted person with such ignorance that encompasses many of the stereotypes that non-gamers have against us. That we are trash-talking immature button mashers that rage and argue like children. ITT: someone wishing that someone else's child gets bullied in high school, then calling that person ignorant because he uses bad words on the internet. On May 02 2012 00:44 SherlockTV wrote:Seriously people, stop watching his shit. Its not entertaining and its not funny and its not even educational. Its a waste of time and its very negative just to listen to his logic and world views. Educational...I lol'd. Here's a novel idea Destiny...don't say any of them! Is your vocabulary so small that that really cripples your ability to communicate? Or even communicate cleverly? Some groups get that protected status because of institutionalized marginalization and discrimination. White people don't get that because they've never been marginalized. Although to be honest I have no delusions that we're going to be able to convince you in this thread. However, we can convince Quantic to keep you in line. You didn't respond to anything I said. Do you think you sound intelligent because you're requesting that I arbitrarily edit out certain words from my vocabulary because some groups of people may find those words offensive?My vocabulary is larger than most. What does that have to do with anything? Are you trying to make the claim that everyone that swears is stupid, or at least has a small vocabulary? I think I communicate cleverly plenty enough. I'm a relatively creative person, whether I'm making an analogy or insulting someone or talking dirty to your mother over the phone. I can get across most messages I have pretty clearly. Some groups get that protected status because of institutionalized marginalization and discrimination. White people don't get that because they've never been marginalized. Ah. So white people are never A) poor, B) bullied, C) disabled, or otherwise disadvantaged? You think every single white person in the world lives a perfect life? Sorry, bro, but that's pretty fucking racist. And bigoted. Although to be honest I have no delusions that we're going to be able to convince you in this thread. However, we can convince Quantic to keep you in line. I would leave my time and abandon any sponsorships before turning myself into a politically correct zombie who spews meaningless bullshit because people are too fucking weak to handle a few swear words. Your entire argument boils down to "I should be able to say offensive things that have no place in polite society." You aren't saying anything more intelligent than the 12 year olds who think they're being edgy and hardcore on xbox live by spouting that nonsense. There's a huge difference between swearing and slurring. And no, you've never been marginalized for being white. Asians have been marginalized for being asian. Homosexuals have been marginalized for being homosexual. If you want to pretend like you're some valiant defender of free speech, go right ahead. The Starcraft higher ups have already made it pretty clear they don't like this stuff coming from their players or casters. Maybe the LoL community will have a home for you. Asians are not really a marginalized minority within our society. They are comparable if not more successful than whites on most of the relevant criteria; college attendance, job performance, the like. The mere fact that we stereotype Asians as "smart" or "good at math" is pretty indicative of this. If you look at the community's perception of Koreans in general, this is pretty clear. Many individuals think Koreans are better either just innately or because their culture is innately superior. Yeah, that could be true, but it's often characterized as racist when applied to Western (read: white) cultures. I'm sorry that you get offended easily, but that's you, I don't really care about slurs on my Irish ethnicity, although it's only been a few decades since we've fit in mainstream "white" society, and barring the sole exception of the Kennedy family, are generally absent from the top echelons of American society. Slurs on African Americans receive a more serious response in American society because of the huge impact white-black race relations has had on this country. For better or worse, that's a fact, and orb paid for that mistake. Destiny insulted some random guy on a video game in which said ethnicity is widely regarded as superior. I don't see anything coming of this. Maybe you forgot about the concentration camps we had for the Japanese back in WWII? Or maybe you're unfamiliar with the political ads that blatantly demonize the Chinese? Yes, the United States is concerned about a powerful China, as are our allies in South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Vietnam, and Myanmar. I mean, what? How does China's political rise have anything at all to do with race, especially when we're closer than ever with our Asians allies in the aforementioned nations? Sure, we did terrible things once upon a time to the Japanese during a very critical moment in our nations history, and we paid for it. Unlike other cases of discrimination, we apologized as a nation and gave monetary recompense.for our actions. Neither of your points, for the record, addresses the use of the slur "gook", which comes from the Korean word for Korean "hangook" and is an offensive slurs against Koreans, not Asians at large.
I think the word gook is more commonly associated with Vietnamese people than Koreans
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This whole thing seems like a long chain of bad ideas.
Bad idea #1: Racism on stream - Ignoring the debate about whether or not it's acceptable, it's probably a bad idea to use racism on your stream when you have 5000+ viewers or whatever. With that many people it's likely that somebody will be offended, whether or not it's acceptable to say that, because different people react differently to things like this. Because Destiny is a community member and most likely wants to help esports grow, it was probably a bad idea to say something so likely to upset a decent number of people.
Bad idea #2: Making a thread about this on Team Liquid - This only serves to exacerbate the issue. By making a thread you're by definition trying to spread this out to more people who are likely to be offended to get some kind of response against Destiny, when doing that is only likely to hurt the development of esports. It was probably a bad idea to do this. If you were offended it would have been better to contact Destiny about it and tell him the reasons why you were upset by it so that he can give a rational response. If he just ignores you then you could consider contacting Quantic. Posting a thread and tryign to make your views hit the entire community and hurt the whole of esports isn't a good idea.
Bad idea #3: Contacting sponsors - Incontrol dealt with this pretty well, but ultimately it comes down to the fact that the only possible results of contacting sponsors are that nothing happens or that money is taken out of esports. The latter is clearly a bad thing.
Bad idea #4: Continuing to post in topics about this without just listening to what Quantic and Destiny have to say, thinking about it rationally and not emotionally and then considering what should happen next.
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On May 02 2012 02:19 ScienceRob wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 02:14 Destiny wrote:On May 02 2012 02:01 ScienceRob wrote:@ Destiny: Since when has publicly endorsing certain words served to further racism? I recommend a book: The rise and fall of the third Reich. The public endorsment of racial slurs has in fact caused the deaths of many millions(beyond the Nazi), in fact it is hard to not be aware of it. Ah, damn. If they would have just not used racial slurs, concentration camps would have never existed! You are, as they say, "moving the goal posts" or even attempting to mock a point I did not make. I pointed at a certain case where certain words furthered racism. I am not making the argument that racial slurs were the sole cause of concentration camps.
Protip: it wasn't the words furthering racism; it was the people behind the words who hated Jews.
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everybody laughed when idra called cruncher a fucker on the NASL steam in front of 10k+ people a few weeks ago. i think that's offensive, where was the backlash from that? where does everyone draw the line? can players even curse anymore without fearing backlash from the entire community?
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People need to understand that Razer does not care about Destiny. Razer cares about the exposure their product gets from their sponsorships.
With that in hand, this issue follows two directions.
1. Razer, if flooded with complaints, will take note of the situation.
This is not what we want. If you draw enough negative attention to this, do you what happens? Razer deems the market too volatile/not worthy of its investment. We appear as a community to be too immature to handle difficult or objectionable situations. Now this is the crux of the issue. By running to a sponsor, you remove the ability for this to be dealt with in house. Nobody commenting on this (short of Destiny) knows his obligations to Quantic- specifically relating to his behavior. (on that note, aside from his stream, in all public avenues Destiny is a stand up guy. He does not BM at live events, he treats fans with the utmost respect, and has been around to partake in many aspects of the community. Aside from behavior on stream, he does nothing else to potentially embarrass Quantic/Razer)
If sponsors find esports (and sc2 specifically) to be too volatile of a venue for their money, they're going to move it somewhere else. Not just from Quantic, it would likely filter down to all their e-sports funding. This could easily cause a trickle effect with other sponsors. This is pretty basic business.
2. We allow Quantic to handle this situation as/if they see fit to do
Ultimately, Quantic must decide if behavior like this is something they want going forward.
It should be noted that everyone offended has it well within their power to do something about it, WITHOUT going to a sponsor. Here are the simple steps:
1. Turn on your mature language filter. If you ever run into Destiny on the ladder, you will not be called racist/or offensive terms, or at least not ones you can read (and therefore have no reason to take offense to)
2. Do not watch his stream. Destiny is not airing his professional matches for everyone, he's doing the community the service of letting us watch his practice. Now, there's a synergy here where he makes money from us choosing to watch. If you don't like what he streams, do not watch. He will not make money for your viewership. (you can't force people to read/watch/listen to what you [subjectively] deem is right).
3. Allow Quantic to determine if this is a problem for them as a team and act accordingly
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On May 02 2012 02:02 Karak wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 01:58 Destiny wrote:On May 02 2012 01:52 zerglingrodeo wrote:On May 02 2012 01:43 Destiny wrote:On May 02 2012 01:11 Klondikebar wrote:On May 02 2012 01:07 Destiny wrote:Sigh, I promised myself I wouldn't dive into this thread, but I can't resist... On May 02 2012 00:44 SherlockTV wrote:So just because you are a player means you can act like an immature teenager, ignorant to other people's feelings and devoid of any human empathy? Destiny doesn't have empathy because if he knew what the words meant to some people, he would stop using them. His opinions that either its "stupid" or "illogical" to have such negative feelings attached to racial words just means that he simply does not understand individuality. "Ignorant to other people's feelings"? Maybe if I spammed him with messages after the game, or added him and told my stream to harass and stalk him. Maybe if I messaged him on Skype or sent him e-mails. Calling someone a nigger/faggot/gook/cheese/piece of shit/queer/mother fucker/step-mother fucker etc...at the end of a game before leaving? You honestly think that people who rage at the end of games lack empathy? You should be a psychiatrist! If I knew what WHAT words meant to WHAT people? Lots of people find different words offensive. List of possible offensive words - faggot - offensive to the gay community nigger - offensive to the black community gook - offensive to asians(?) spic - offensive to hispanics retarded - offensive to mentally challenged rape - offensive to rape victims snipe - offensive to war veterans nuke - offensive to descendants of hiroshima survivors grammar nazi - offensive to descendants of concentration camp survivors murdered - offensive to people who've experienced death in family cancer on the community - offensive to people who've suffered from cancer Now, here's the fun part. Without sounding like a bigot, I want you to tell me which words I can and cannot say, and why certain groups of people are special enough to have certain words not said for them, and the others are unworthy of said "protected status". Good luck! I love this at the end..."His opinions that either its "stupid" or "illogical" to have such negative feelings attached to racial words just means that he simply does not understand individuality." Because nothing says individuality like taking offense to a simple word spoken out of context that at one point in time was used to insult a collective group of individuals. On May 02 2012 00:44 SherlockTV wrote:Destiny holds that his opinions are right and really does not have any room to be wrong because of how "logical" and "good with people" he is. Eh, I could be humble here, but nah, fuck that. I'm pretty damned good with people. Ask anyone who sees me at any MLG, I'll stop and sign anything or take a picture with anyone, regardless of the length of the line. People that you guys hold to much higher "friendly" standards, though, such as Day9, Huk, Nony, and others? They SPLIT the second they think a crowd is gathering and they do their best to stay away from any places where they could be mobbed. So how do you judge whether someone is "good with people"? Is it based on the facade they put up when they know they're under the public eye? Or is it based on how they actually interact with other people? On May 02 2012 00:44 SherlockTV wrote:Clearly any human being would understand that just because you feel like they are just words, doesn't mean they aren't hundreds of years of history for person. Ah, my bad. I was unaware of the several hundred year old stream viewers I have. I'll try to cater to that audience more. Seriously, though? You want me to cater to an audience of people that define themselves based on some insulting words that someone said about their ancestors hundreds of years ago? If we played that game, there are tons of other words we should cut out of our dictionary (for just black people, I can think of the word "boy", "negro", and "colored", and I'm sure there are many more for many other groups of people). On May 02 2012 00:44 SherlockTV wrote:I really hope this man (yes, sadly he is a man, not a child, or we could forgive his foolishness without a second thought) experiences some of the hardship that others have experienced in the past. Maybe it will come in the form of income inequality or maybe in the form of his child being bullied at school. Maybe then he will learn his lesson that he should respect other cultures and other people if he wants to be respected himself: that respect is earned and not a right. Ah, now here, I'm going to have to call you a brainless fucking piece of shit. I can't even believe you would have the audacity to fucking call me out on something like that. You have absolutely no fucking idea what I have or haven't experienced in my past. A lot of the immature and childish bullshit that you call "hardship" (OH NO SOMEONE SAID NIGGER, OH GOD HE SAID FAGGOT, OH NO HE MADE FUN OF MY PANTS) PALES in comparison to a lot of the shit I've had to deal with in my life. Maybe the difference in perspective is one of the reasons why I'm able to look past absolutely pointless bullshit like this and someone like you turns it into the focal point of a huge discussion. You want my child to get bullied in high school? Seriously, I would dedicate all 130 lbs of my tiny frame into the beating the shit out of you if I ever saw you in person wishing that on my son. If you think the only way to learn respect about someone else is to suffer, then you're sadly misguided, and incredibly stupid. On May 02 2012 00:44 SherlockTV wrote:That's my two cents. I don't watch his stream because it provides him income to continue what he's doing. Honestly, this should have been the only thing you wrote in your post. I agree 100% with this. If you don't like the things I say or the way I act, don't watch my stream. Less people watching me = less money for me, meaning I either A) have to change the way I behave, or B) fade away from the public eye. On May 02 2012 00:44 SherlockTV wrote:I think any community that is a community at all would see his stream has a negative impact on it and would seek to prevent it by de-listing his stream. Negative impact on the community? I have the most viewer hours of any current SC2 streamer. You don't think that counts for anything? On May 02 2012 00:44 SherlockTV wrote:Clearly he does not paint an accurate picture of our community of gamers and e-sports. Ah, that's why so many people watch me. I understand now. On May 02 2012 00:44 SherlockTV wrote:Why would we want to be associated with such a bigoted person with such ignorance that encompasses many of the stereotypes that non-gamers have against us. That we are trash-talking immature button mashers that rage and argue like children. ITT: someone wishing that someone else's child gets bullied in high school, then calling that person ignorant because he uses bad words on the internet. On May 02 2012 00:44 SherlockTV wrote:Seriously people, stop watching his shit. Its not entertaining and its not funny and its not even educational. Its a waste of time and its very negative just to listen to his logic and world views. Educational...I lol'd. Here's a novel idea Destiny...don't say any of them! Is your vocabulary so small that that really cripples your ability to communicate? Or even communicate cleverly? Some groups get that protected status because of institutionalized marginalization and discrimination. White people don't get that because they've never been marginalized. Although to be honest I have no delusions that we're going to be able to convince you in this thread. However, we can convince Quantic to keep you in line. You didn't respond to anything I said. Do you think you sound intelligent because you're requesting that I arbitrarily edit out certain words from my vocabulary because some groups of people may find those words offensive?My vocabulary is larger than most. What does that have to do with anything? Are you trying to make the claim that everyone that swears is stupid, or at least has a small vocabulary? I think I communicate cleverly plenty enough. I'm a relatively creative person, whether I'm making an analogy or insulting someone or talking dirty to your mother over the phone. I can get across most messages I have pretty clearly. Some groups get that protected status because of institutionalized marginalization and discrimination. White people don't get that because they've never been marginalized. Ah. So white people are never A) poor, B) bullied, C) disabled, or otherwise disadvantaged? You think every single white person in the world lives a perfect life? Sorry, bro, but that's pretty fucking racist. And bigoted. Although to be honest I have no delusions that we're going to be able to convince you in this thread. However, we can convince Quantic to keep you in line. I would leave my time and abandon any sponsorships before turning myself into a politically correct zombie who spews meaningless bullshit because people are too fucking weak to handle a few swear words. There is a difference between being a 'politically correct zombie' and not condoning public use of racial slurs. The move to degrade 'political correctness' has been a go-to for right-wing nutjobs for a long time, and it does not help in the current debate. What is at issue is whether it is okay for public figures to use racial slurs. Forget whether it 'offends' people for a moment, and consider that publicly endorsing this language contributes to a culture of marginalization of racial minorities. If this is the case (which some believe), then it would be better to not endorse use of this language. Why wouldn't I condone public use of racial slurs? It has abso-fucking-lutely nothing to do with racism. People can use racial slurs without being racist. People can be racist without using racial slurs. Why the fuck would I care how someone expresses them self? That's idiotic. Oh yeah, you got me. I'm one of those atheist, pro-drug legalization, pro-prostitution legalization, pro-homosexual marriage right-wing nutjobs! The disgusting thing about "political correctness" is that it doesn't seek to address any of the underlying problems that are only hinted at by certain words. People act like getting rid of certain words will get rid of the nasty thoughts/emotions/history that brought certain words into being. People act like if they could get everyone in their community to stop saying "nigger", all of the bad racism/hate towards a certain group of people would suddenly vanish. This is disingenuous and ignorant thinking that only serves to endanger freedom of expression, while offering absolutely no positive effects whatsoever. Since when has publicly endorsing certain words served to further racism? Have you seen the rap scene lately? Hollywood? Come on, man. Using a racial slur is just encapsulating decades/centuries of racist thought in one small, representative term. The term is understood to be used for that intent and to represent that by the general public. Your use of it is of absolutely no utility except for the fact that it is viewed as an offensive term, so you use it in anger. If the word had other utility, such as the word "niggardly," for example, then you'd have a point. But the only reason these words exist in the vernacular is as an offensive, racist term. You perpetuate that by continually and purposefully using it.
You're wrong. I don't know how else to say it, but what you're writing here might sound smart/educated, but it's just entirely fucking stupid.
I don't even know how to start tearing apart the idiocy of this statement. "Using a racial slur is encapsulating decades/centuries of racist thought"...so what if a 12 year old used the word "nigger" because he overheard his friends saying it as an insult, or even a term of endearment? You understand that can't possibly convey all of that racist thought without even understanding where the word comes from, right? That's just 1 in MILLIONS of different ways that a word can change or aqcuire a new meaning.
Actually, let's play a game. I'm going to change your statement a bit, see if you can pick out what's changed.
Using the word faggot is just encapsulating decades/centuries of what a bundle of sticks is in one small, representative term. The term is understood to be used for that intent and to represent that by the general public. Your use of it is of absolutely no utility except for the fact that it is viewed as a term for a bundle of sticks, so you use it in anger. If the word had other utility, such as the word "stick-bundle," for example, then you'd have a point. But the only reason these words exist in the vernacular is as describing a pile of sticks. You perpetuate that by continually and purposefully using it.
Do you see how blatantly idiotic your statement seems, now?
Your obvious counter-point will be that black rappers use it with relative impunity. First of all, they don't use it with absolute impunity. There are many civil rights groups that denounce the use of this term by black rappers.
lol, no one gives a fuck about those statements by those groups. I think that there's a Jay-Z quote that actually perfectly sums up my feelings about it, from the same "Say Hello", off of the album "American Gangster"
And if Al Sharpton is speakin for me
Somebody, give him the word and tell him I don't approve
Tell him I remove the curses
If you tell me our schools gon' be perfect
When Jena Six don't exist
Tell him that's when I'll stop sayin bitch, BEEEITCH~!
Second of all, the context of the word coming from a black person is much different than coming from that of a white person.
This is the most racist thing you've said so far. Sorry. "He can use this word just because of his skin color."
A black person could be using it to represent what his ancestors went through or using it in parody to refer to other people.
lol? The average black person has spent about as much time in slavery as the average white person. This statement is fucking ridiculous.
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On May 02 2012 02:18 intrigue wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 02:12 Destiny wrote:On May 02 2012 02:00 intrigue wrote:
guys, i'd like to let you know that i've suffered a bit in my life. that means i know what the world is like. i also never make mistakes, because, as i've mentioned, i've been through some hardship. this qualifies me to make sweeping social critiques that spans way beyond any of our lifetimes. fuck the empty media! Seriously? Who is this faggot? I thought the colored name or w/e meant he was a mod or some shit? How fucking mad are you right now, bro? did i hit it right on the nail? why would i be mad? it seems that that question is only asked when you run out of things to say. god you're so desperate
Hi butthurt. You do seem mad, read your own replies to this thread and you can see how mad you are. You're so desperate for attention. ~_~
User was temp banned for this post.
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On May 02 2012 02:14 Destiny wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 02:01 ScienceRob wrote:@ Destiny: Since when has publicly endorsing certain words served to further racism? I recommend a book: The rise and fall of the third Reich. The public endorsment of racial slurs has in fact caused the deaths of many millions(beyond the Nazi), in fact it is hard to not be aware of it. Ah, damn. If they would have just not used racial slurs, concentration camps would have never existed!
Destiny, what are you fighting for here?
It seems you already thought about using racial slurs and actively decided to use them, knowing that some/many people would have a problem with it. Now, people use their "freedom of speech" in an - arguably - equally inappropriate way by mailing sponsors instead of Quantic, and you seem to be offended by this. Now you try to defend yourself (or your perspective) even though you knew this could happen and didn't seem to care before.
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On May 02 2012 02:19 PeZuY wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 02:18 danson wrote:On May 02 2012 02:12 Destiny wrote:On May 02 2012 02:00 intrigue wrote:
guys, i'd like to let you know that i've suffered a bit in my life. that means i know what the world is like. i also never make mistakes, because, as i've mentioned, i've been through some hardship. this qualifies me to make sweeping social critiques that spans way beyond any of our lifetimes. fuck the empty media! Seriously? Who is this faggot? I thought the colored name or w/e meant he was a mod or some shit? How fucking mad are you right now, bro? Seriously? Grow up man. No one likes this shit and I am hoping the mods throw a 90 day on you like they did Idra, would love to see less of you for a while. That doesnt solve anything since he doesnt write to TL so often : )
it would get him off the featured list
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On May 02 2012 02:20 Let it Raine wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 22:16 WardenSC wrote:I was playing vs QuanticDestiny a few hours ago where he was calling me a "gook" and a bunch of offensive words. Now I understand that one may get frustrated if he/she loses in a game (I've been there myself). I also understand that it is his stream and he may say that he can do whatever the hell he wants in his stream. However, he stands now as a "community figure" who has the reach to influence thousands of viewers daily and can skew the public's view of sc2 community in an extremely negative direction. Isn't it reasonable to expect a level of professionalism from a player that plays on a professional team? I just don't think spurting out racial slurs left and right in front of a large audience is why Quantic sponsors Destiny to market their team. As a note, I don't think QuanticDestiny is a true racist. However, I do believe that ignorance towards his excessive use of racial slurs would eventually lead to tolerance within the community and that would be a very dangerous outcome. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/y8F8n.jpg) I think the real issue here is what started this. You. Specifically, you being terrible started this. I want destiny to make a topic calling out the issue of cheesing players and how being garbage is a tolerated thing in this community. Imagine, for a second, if you didn't cheese destiny. All of a sudden, there's no racial slur being thrown around! All of a sudden you can't make this awful topic! Why is this? Because cheesing is a form of insult to most players. Even if you win, knowing that you could potentially lose to some awful player doing a skill less build is angering to most of the people who play this game. Bad players winning games by doing skill less strategies is the biggest problem this game has and is the cause for so many people hating this game. I dream of a world where I don't have to deal with skill less players doing skill less builds while still having a decent chance at beating me. I dream of a world where cheesers don't act surprised or offended when someone bms them for being complete garbage. I dream of a lactose intolerant world. P.S. I particularly enjoyed that screenshot. 1 base @ 15 minutes, proxy 2 port (you're known for it), the interrupting KOREAN gg despite you being an english speaker, and destiny not being korean.... not to mention while he's clearly about to bm you for being on one base for 15 minutes. It's like you WANTED this to happen, just so you could post this god awful thread. You should be banned from this forum for being such a faggot.
Post of the thread imo, I think everyone ought to email teams/sponsors of those who are known to belligerently cheese, we as a community need to make it clear that such chobo behavior will not be tolerated.
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