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On May 02 2012 02:08 parkjimo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 02:07 Angel_ wrote:On May 02 2012 02:03 parkjimo wrote:On May 02 2012 02:01 Acronysis wrote:On May 02 2012 01:59 parkjimo wrote:
I emailed Razer about Destiny and Quantic Gaming because asking Quantic Gaming to do anything will not accomplish anything.
It is clear that the team only picked up Destiny because of his abrasive and terrible behavior. His dark and edgy ways are what Quantic Gaming actually like about him, so it is useless to expect them to do anything. As long as he is bringing attention to himself and his team, he is good no matter what.
The only way to actually get done is to email sponsors and concern them about his behavior. Sorry if this seems "extreme", but it is the only choice. Is it really the only choice? How about fucking waiting a little to see if anything comes of this - why not at least give Quantic a chance? What if they do come out and do somthing about it, then you just e-mailed shit to the sponsors and hurt quantic even further. Wait a little - wait things out. Don't do something stupid just because you are not patient enough to see where things go. Quantic has had chances in the past to discipline him for his terrible behavior. It is not the first time that Destiny has acted badly towards people. He calls people "faggots" or "niggers" or "gooks" or anything else he thinks is provocative enough to get attention. Quantic has never once done anything about it. In fact, they seemingly encourage it. and how many times have you or anyone else emailed quantic about it? exactly. I have a few times already. Most recently I emailed them about when he called Startale_Rainbow a "faggot" on ladder. Nothing happened.
I heard idra calls people faggots in the stream, should I post because of frustration? No. Idiotism at finest!
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On May 02 2012 02:04 aristarchus wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 01:52 iNcontroL wrote:
mailing sponsors instead of the team is so completely fucked up and horrible.
mail the SHIT out of quantic. If they don't do anything or say anything for a few weeks.. make threads, tweet, write more letters to quantic.. but by no means at all should you mail sponsors with things like that.
Razer sponsors a lot more than just destiny or even quantic.. by one man's error you are potentially making it worse for a LOT of people.
Even if you disagree with what I said you could probably agree that quantic deserves a chance to respond before you start emailing sponsors.
Debating whether we should be emailing sponsors is sort of moot at this point. You're right - it's dumb (and I say this as someone who really thinks we should have no tolerance for this stuff). But it's going to happen. In society at large, anyone who sponsors someone who spouts racial slurs constantly gets angry email. The only way to avoid this is to keep the community so small and marginal as to have a whole different social norm than the rest of society, and I don't think any of us want that. So sponsors will get emailed. Knowing this, we should be talking about as a community not how to make sure that racial slurs don't lead to sponsor emails, but how to stop the racial slurs. And really, it's sort of stupid to say "give Quantic a chance to respond". With Orb, it was at least conceivable that EG didn't know about the fact that he still said stuff like this. Destiny is famous for it. Quantic knows perfectly well he says this stuff, and they've known it for months. It's not like this should take them by surprise or they had no chance to act first.
No it isn't moot.. people hear reasons not to do things and sometimes don't do things they otherwise would.
And no the "give quantic a chance" thing isn't dumb. It's the most reasonable response to this situation. yes Quantic knew that Destiny was an opinionated and sometimes controversial player but they also knew he was an intelligent human being who could be reasoned with. Just because Destiny has said some fringe shit in the past doesn't mean he should be untouchable by a team or that once a team does grab him you (the community) now have a free license to act as drastic as you like because WELL DESTINY IS PRONE TO DO STUFF. Come on man? You are literally arguing in defense of being a mob of pitchfork people trying to do the most damage possible. I am arguing for people to go through proper channels and protect that which we love.
Get really tired when people assume "you are hurting esports" isn't a real possibility. A lot of you are either very young or incredibly under educated on esports to think we are untouchable. Entire fucking communities have died. Leagues have collapsed and sponsors have walked away never to come back. This shit does happen. Why flirt with it?
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On May 02 2012 02:04 Treva wrote:
To think all this could have been avoided if people just stopped saying racial slurs. No..no that's a stupid idea.
Yeah dude, I don't know what you were thinking. How could we continue playing without throwing about racial slurs? It's our bread and butter.
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Words are more powerful than you think.
The pen is mightier than the sword.
Or in this case the keyboard...
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On May 02 2012 02:08 ScienceRob wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 02:03 MaGariShun wrote:On May 02 2012 02:01 ScienceRob wrote:@ Destiny: Since when has publicly endorsing certain words served to further racism? I recommend a book: The rise and fall of the third Reich. The public endorsment of racial slurs has in fact caused the deaths of many millions(beyond the Nazi), in fact it is hard to not be aware of it. did you just really compare the FUCKING HOLOCAUST with destiny saying "nigger" on stream? No, I did not. Calm yourself. He asked a question which I answered. The fact is that the public endorsment of racial slurs served to further racism. Sorry if you don't like this example of a certain truth. I can use other examples if it offends you.
no problem, i'm generally not offended by words on the internet.
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On May 02 2012 02:07 Klondikebar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 02:03 iNcontroL wrote:On May 02 2012 01:55 Torte de Lini wrote:On May 02 2012 01:54 noidontthinkso wrote:On May 02 2012 01:52 iNcontroL wrote:
mailing sponsors instead of the team is so completely fucked up and horrible.
mail the SHIT out of quantic. If they don't do anything or say anything for a few weeks.. make threads, tweet, write more letters to quantic.. but by no means at all should you mail sponsors with things like that.
Razer sponsors a lot more than just destiny or even quantic.. by one man's error you are potentially making it worse for a LOT of people.
Even if you disagree with what I said you could probably agree that quantic deserves a chance to respond before you start emailing sponsors.
well, when its enough then its enough and for me, the absolute limit is reached so u aim for the head, since quantic does not seem to care about destiny at all did the orb story hurted esports sponsoring? no. Yes, you just don't see it. What doesn't come forward or public doesn't mean it didn't have the intention to do so before. I know everyone has the ability to post on TL so I guess I shouldn't be responding but it's important that other people know I guess: Yes, emailing EG's sponsors with the orb situation DID have a negative effect. EG is fortunate enough to have amazing fans who on a regular basis email our sponsors and tell em they love em and appreciate what they do for eSports. That was needed because of the people that emailed saying EG sponsors/supports a racist. Sponsors don't read every thread, they don't check forums, they don't watch every tweet.. when they get an email there is a dangerous possibility that is the ONLY message from that situation they are getting. Emails aren't filtered or edited for fairness they are 90% the emotional response from someone (when the situation is like an orb/destiny) and it's the first draft. Those emails can cause real damage in a industry (SC2) that isn't shitting gold.. we are fighting for survival. I understand you hear all the time: email sponsors! Tell em you love em! and I could understand the argument "well they need to hear the good with the bad." But that is dangerous for us. Destiny doesn't represent all of Quantic nor does he represent all of the community but when you email the sponsors about a relatively small issue you can potentially cause gargantuan ripples in a place where we can't afford said ripples. Just please trust me on this.. email the shit out of quantic. Tweet the shit out of them. Post on TL about how upset you are.. but do NOT email sponsors threatening them with things and telling them one side of a small story. When does it become appropriate to email sponsors? This is a legitimate question. Destiny's behavior is nothing new and it's been tolerated by Quantic for quite some time. Hell, they picked him up knowing full well how he behaved (unlike EG and Orb). When do we as fans finally get to say "no more forum posts, I'm talking with my dollar?"
After Destiny calls you a gook.
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On May 02 2012 02:08 shrinkmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 01:52 iNcontroL wrote:
mailing sponsors instead of the team is so completely fucked up and horrible.
mail the SHIT out of quantic. If they don't do anything or say anything for a few weeks.. make threads, tweet, write more letters to quantic.. but by no means at all should you mail sponsors with things like that.
Razer sponsors a lot more than just destiny or even quantic.. by one man's error you are potentially making it worse for a LOT of people.
Even if you disagree with what I said you could probably agree that quantic deserves a chance to respond before you start emailing sponsors.
dear incontrol, i can understand your point, because you're a person who has to directly deal with everything our mails to razer achieve. but i can't understand how you expect us to wait weeks for quantic gaming to respond in this short-lived times. if they were known for taking a stand against unaccepable behaviour i could've waited for a response, but they already gave a subliminal statement when they signed a person like destiny. "he is well known for his behaviour on stream, this is not new, we don't care as long as people don't care loud enough" neither did i ever read a statement from one of the other players on quantic that they are not ok with destiny's behaviour. so the team and any player can be accountable for the outcome of this shitstorm. supporting evil behaviour by not acting against it or just being silent is just as bad as the behaviour itself. the good thing about messaging razor directly is that they are sponsoring so many teams. they are in a position to enforce professional behaviour from many more players than a single pro-team could ever do. if my email to razer is playing a tiny part in forcing teams to have higher recruitment standards or leads to a moral code for razer sponsored teams i can be proud. and frankly if we as a community don't take a firm stand against any haters of gays/women/ethnic groups we don't deserve to have sponsored teams.
You're sending a message to Razor, a message which says that the SC2 community is unstable, immature, and that investing much time or money is a poor return on their investment.
That injures the community as a whole; I mean, you can be fine with that, but don't pretend it's something other than what it is.
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On May 02 2012 02:03 iNcontroL wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 01:55 Torte de Lini wrote:On May 02 2012 01:54 noidontthinkso wrote:On May 02 2012 01:52 iNcontroL wrote:
mailing sponsors instead of the team is so completely fucked up and horrible.
mail the SHIT out of quantic. If they don't do anything or say anything for a few weeks.. make threads, tweet, write more letters to quantic.. but by no means at all should you mail sponsors with things like that.
Razer sponsors a lot more than just destiny or even quantic.. by one man's error you are potentially making it worse for a LOT of people.
Even if you disagree with what I said you could probably agree that quantic deserves a chance to respond before you start emailing sponsors.
well, when its enough then its enough and for me, the absolute limit is reached so u aim for the head, since quantic does not seem to care about destiny at all did the orb story hurted esports sponsoring? no. Yes, you just don't see it. What doesn't come forward or public doesn't mean it didn't have the intention to do so before. I know everyone has the ability to post on TL so I guess I shouldn't be responding but it's important that other people know I guess: Yes, emailing EG's sponsors with the orb situation DID have a negative effect. EG is fortunate enough to have amazing fans who on a regular basis email our sponsors and tell em they love em and appreciate what they do for eSports. That was needed because of the people that emailed saying EG sponsors/supports a racist. Sponsors don't read every thread, they don't check forums, they don't watch every tweet.. when they get an email there is a dangerous possibility that is the ONLY message from that situation they are getting. Emails aren't filtered or edited for fairness they are 90% the emotional response from someone (when the situation is like an orb/destiny) and it's the first draft. Those emails can cause real damage in a industry (SC2) that isn't shitting gold.. we are fighting for survival. I understand you hear all the time: email sponsors! Tell em you love em! and I could understand the argument "well they need to hear the good with the bad." But that is dangerous for us. Destiny doesn't represent all of Quantic nor does he represent all of the community but when you email the sponsors about a relatively small issue you can potentially cause gargantuan ripples in a place where we can't afford said ripples. Just please trust me on this.. email the shit out of quantic. Tweet the shit out of them. Post on TL about how upset you are.. but do NOT email sponsors threatening them with things and telling them one side of a small story.
Also an addition:
In a business world, you dont just leave out the first obvious instance, which means the player's team. I mean, how RUDE is it, to email Sponsors, when the team's management has NO CHANCE to act according to the whole case?
Do you guys realize how dumb it is, to email sponsors who dont have direct influence on the players which is also not their job. It is the team's job and I believe every sponsored eSports team has an interest in knowing such stuff and an interest in taking actions if needed?
Man...guys, if you come out of school and will have a job in a decent responsible position, you may understand this one day...
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On May 02 2012 01:59 Klondikebar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 01:43 Destiny wrote:On May 02 2012 01:11 Klondikebar wrote:On May 02 2012 01:07 Destiny wrote:Sigh, I promised myself I wouldn't dive into this thread, but I can't resist... On May 02 2012 00:44 SherlockTV wrote:So just because you are a player means you can act like an immature teenager, ignorant to other people's feelings and devoid of any human empathy? Destiny doesn't have empathy because if he knew what the words meant to some people, he would stop using them. His opinions that either its "stupid" or "illogical" to have such negative feelings attached to racial words just means that he simply does not understand individuality. "Ignorant to other people's feelings"? Maybe if I spammed him with messages after the game, or added him and told my stream to harass and stalk him. Maybe if I messaged him on Skype or sent him e-mails. Calling someone a nigger/faggot/gook/cheese/piece of shit/queer/mother fucker/step-mother fucker etc...at the end of a game before leaving? You honestly think that people who rage at the end of games lack empathy? You should be a psychiatrist! If I knew what WHAT words meant to WHAT people? Lots of people find different words offensive. List of possible offensive words - faggot - offensive to the gay community nigger - offensive to the black community gook - offensive to asians(?) spic - offensive to hispanics retarded - offensive to mentally challenged rape - offensive to rape victims snipe - offensive to war veterans nuke - offensive to descendants of hiroshima survivors grammar nazi - offensive to descendants of concentration camp survivors murdered - offensive to people who've experienced death in family cancer on the community - offensive to people who've suffered from cancer Now, here's the fun part. Without sounding like a bigot, I want you to tell me which words I can and cannot say, and why certain groups of people are special enough to have certain words not said for them, and the others are unworthy of said "protected status". Good luck! I love this at the end..."His opinions that either its "stupid" or "illogical" to have such negative feelings attached to racial words just means that he simply does not understand individuality." Because nothing says individuality like taking offense to a simple word spoken out of context that at one point in time was used to insult a collective group of individuals. On May 02 2012 00:44 SherlockTV wrote:Destiny holds that his opinions are right and really does not have any room to be wrong because of how "logical" and "good with people" he is. Eh, I could be humble here, but nah, fuck that. I'm pretty damned good with people. Ask anyone who sees me at any MLG, I'll stop and sign anything or take a picture with anyone, regardless of the length of the line. People that you guys hold to much higher "friendly" standards, though, such as Day9, Huk, Nony, and others? They SPLIT the second they think a crowd is gathering and they do their best to stay away from any places where they could be mobbed. So how do you judge whether someone is "good with people"? Is it based on the facade they put up when they know they're under the public eye? Or is it based on how they actually interact with other people? On May 02 2012 00:44 SherlockTV wrote:Clearly any human being would understand that just because you feel like they are just words, doesn't mean they aren't hundreds of years of history for person. Ah, my bad. I was unaware of the several hundred year old stream viewers I have. I'll try to cater to that audience more. Seriously, though? You want me to cater to an audience of people that define themselves based on some insulting words that someone said about their ancestors hundreds of years ago? If we played that game, there are tons of other words we should cut out of our dictionary (for just black people, I can think of the word "boy", "negro", and "colored", and I'm sure there are many more for many other groups of people). On May 02 2012 00:44 SherlockTV wrote:I really hope this man (yes, sadly he is a man, not a child, or we could forgive his foolishness without a second thought) experiences some of the hardship that others have experienced in the past. Maybe it will come in the form of income inequality or maybe in the form of his child being bullied at school. Maybe then he will learn his lesson that he should respect other cultures and other people if he wants to be respected himself: that respect is earned and not a right. Ah, now here, I'm going to have to call you a brainless fucking piece of shit. I can't even believe you would have the audacity to fucking call me out on something like that. You have absolutely no fucking idea what I have or haven't experienced in my past. A lot of the immature and childish bullshit that you call "hardship" (OH NO SOMEONE SAID NIGGER, OH GOD HE SAID FAGGOT, OH NO HE MADE FUN OF MY PANTS) PALES in comparison to a lot of the shit I've had to deal with in my life. Maybe the difference in perspective is one of the reasons why I'm able to look past absolutely pointless bullshit like this and someone like you turns it into the focal point of a huge discussion. You want my child to get bullied in high school? Seriously, I would dedicate all 130 lbs of my tiny frame into the beating the shit out of you if I ever saw you in person wishing that on my son. If you think the only way to learn respect about someone else is to suffer, then you're sadly misguided, and incredibly stupid. On May 02 2012 00:44 SherlockTV wrote:That's my two cents. I don't watch his stream because it provides him income to continue what he's doing. Honestly, this should have been the only thing you wrote in your post. I agree 100% with this. If you don't like the things I say or the way I act, don't watch my stream. Less people watching me = less money for me, meaning I either A) have to change the way I behave, or B) fade away from the public eye. On May 02 2012 00:44 SherlockTV wrote:I think any community that is a community at all would see his stream has a negative impact on it and would seek to prevent it by de-listing his stream. Negative impact on the community? I have the most viewer hours of any current SC2 streamer. You don't think that counts for anything? On May 02 2012 00:44 SherlockTV wrote:Clearly he does not paint an accurate picture of our community of gamers and e-sports. Ah, that's why so many people watch me. I understand now. On May 02 2012 00:44 SherlockTV wrote:Why would we want to be associated with such a bigoted person with such ignorance that encompasses many of the stereotypes that non-gamers have against us. That we are trash-talking immature button mashers that rage and argue like children. ITT: someone wishing that someone else's child gets bullied in high school, then calling that person ignorant because he uses bad words on the internet. On May 02 2012 00:44 SherlockTV wrote:Seriously people, stop watching his shit. Its not entertaining and its not funny and its not even educational. Its a waste of time and its very negative just to listen to his logic and world views. Educational...I lol'd. Here's a novel idea Destiny...don't say any of them! Is your vocabulary so small that that really cripples your ability to communicate? Or even communicate cleverly? Some groups get that protected status because of institutionalized marginalization and discrimination. White people don't get that because they've never been marginalized. Although to be honest I have no delusions that we're going to be able to convince you in this thread. However, we can convince Quantic to keep you in line. You didn't respond to anything I said. Do you think you sound intelligent because you're requesting that I arbitrarily edit out certain words from my vocabulary because some groups of people may find those words offensive?My vocabulary is larger than most. What does that have to do with anything? Are you trying to make the claim that everyone that swears is stupid, or at least has a small vocabulary? I think I communicate cleverly plenty enough. I'm a relatively creative person, whether I'm making an analogy or insulting someone or talking dirty to your mother over the phone. I can get across most messages I have pretty clearly. Some groups get that protected status because of institutionalized marginalization and discrimination. White people don't get that because they've never been marginalized. Ah. So white people are never A) poor, B) bullied, C) disabled, or otherwise disadvantaged? You think every single white person in the world lives a perfect life? Sorry, bro, but that's pretty fucking racist. And bigoted. Although to be honest I have no delusions that we're going to be able to convince you in this thread. However, we can convince Quantic to keep you in line. I would leave my time and abandon any sponsorships before turning myself into a politically correct zombie who spews meaningless bullshit because people are too fucking weak to handle a few swear words. Your entire argument boils down to "I should be able to say offensive things that have no place in polite society." You aren't saying anything more intelligent than the 12 year olds who think they're being edgy and hardcore on xbox live by spouting that nonsense. There's a huge difference between swearing and slurring. And no, you've never been marginalized for being white. Asians have been marginalized for being asian. Homosexuals have been marginalized for being homosexual. If you want to pretend like you're some valiant defender of free speech, go right ahead. The Starcraft higher ups have already made it pretty clear they don't like this stuff coming from their players or casters. Maybe the LoL community will have a home for you.
lol, define "polite society". I bet the conversations that politicians have behind closed doors when they're fucking people out of their hard-earned money because they're too busy sucking off lobbyists is "polite". Language =/= content. Content is far more important than language.
If some 12 year old wants to be edgy or hardcore, I don't give a fuck. Let him. I'm not trying to be edgy or hardcore, I could give a fuck less. If I wanted to be edgy or hardcore, I'd hit up Mia and release a porno or something.
I'm not pretending I'm a valiant defender of anything. I'm merely defending my own actions, I don't go out of my way to intervene in situations relating to stuff like this.
Ah, end it with a personal attack and the desire that my career in SC2 fails. Honestly, that's a much more personal/disgusting attack than I've ever made on someone before. Too bad you're too blinded by stupid shit like "gook" to realize that.
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On May 02 2012 02:09 ThomasHobbes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 01:59 Klondikebar wrote:On May 02 2012 01:43 Destiny wrote:On May 02 2012 01:11 Klondikebar wrote:On May 02 2012 01:07 Destiny wrote:Sigh, I promised myself I wouldn't dive into this thread, but I can't resist... On May 02 2012 00:44 SherlockTV wrote:So just because you are a player means you can act like an immature teenager, ignorant to other people's feelings and devoid of any human empathy? Destiny doesn't have empathy because if he knew what the words meant to some people, he would stop using them. His opinions that either its "stupid" or "illogical" to have such negative feelings attached to racial words just means that he simply does not understand individuality. "Ignorant to other people's feelings"? Maybe if I spammed him with messages after the game, or added him and told my stream to harass and stalk him. Maybe if I messaged him on Skype or sent him e-mails. Calling someone a nigger/faggot/gook/cheese/piece of shit/queer/mother fucker/step-mother fucker etc...at the end of a game before leaving? You honestly think that people who rage at the end of games lack empathy? You should be a psychiatrist! If I knew what WHAT words meant to WHAT people? Lots of people find different words offensive. List of possible offensive words - faggot - offensive to the gay community nigger - offensive to the black community gook - offensive to asians(?) spic - offensive to hispanics retarded - offensive to mentally challenged rape - offensive to rape victims snipe - offensive to war veterans nuke - offensive to descendants of hiroshima survivors grammar nazi - offensive to descendants of concentration camp survivors murdered - offensive to people who've experienced death in family cancer on the community - offensive to people who've suffered from cancer Now, here's the fun part. Without sounding like a bigot, I want you to tell me which words I can and cannot say, and why certain groups of people are special enough to have certain words not said for them, and the others are unworthy of said "protected status". Good luck! I love this at the end..."His opinions that either its "stupid" or "illogical" to have such negative feelings attached to racial words just means that he simply does not understand individuality." Because nothing says individuality like taking offense to a simple word spoken out of context that at one point in time was used to insult a collective group of individuals. On May 02 2012 00:44 SherlockTV wrote:Destiny holds that his opinions are right and really does not have any room to be wrong because of how "logical" and "good with people" he is. Eh, I could be humble here, but nah, fuck that. I'm pretty damned good with people. Ask anyone who sees me at any MLG, I'll stop and sign anything or take a picture with anyone, regardless of the length of the line. People that you guys hold to much higher "friendly" standards, though, such as Day9, Huk, Nony, and others? They SPLIT the second they think a crowd is gathering and they do their best to stay away from any places where they could be mobbed. So how do you judge whether someone is "good with people"? Is it based on the facade they put up when they know they're under the public eye? Or is it based on how they actually interact with other people? On May 02 2012 00:44 SherlockTV wrote:Clearly any human being would understand that just because you feel like they are just words, doesn't mean they aren't hundreds of years of history for person. Ah, my bad. I was unaware of the several hundred year old stream viewers I have. I'll try to cater to that audience more. Seriously, though? You want me to cater to an audience of people that define themselves based on some insulting words that someone said about their ancestors hundreds of years ago? If we played that game, there are tons of other words we should cut out of our dictionary (for just black people, I can think of the word "boy", "negro", and "colored", and I'm sure there are many more for many other groups of people). On May 02 2012 00:44 SherlockTV wrote:I really hope this man (yes, sadly he is a man, not a child, or we could forgive his foolishness without a second thought) experiences some of the hardship that others have experienced in the past. Maybe it will come in the form of income inequality or maybe in the form of his child being bullied at school. Maybe then he will learn his lesson that he should respect other cultures and other people if he wants to be respected himself: that respect is earned and not a right. Ah, now here, I'm going to have to call you a brainless fucking piece of shit. I can't even believe you would have the audacity to fucking call me out on something like that. You have absolutely no fucking idea what I have or haven't experienced in my past. A lot of the immature and childish bullshit that you call "hardship" (OH NO SOMEONE SAID NIGGER, OH GOD HE SAID FAGGOT, OH NO HE MADE FUN OF MY PANTS) PALES in comparison to a lot of the shit I've had to deal with in my life. Maybe the difference in perspective is one of the reasons why I'm able to look past absolutely pointless bullshit like this and someone like you turns it into the focal point of a huge discussion. You want my child to get bullied in high school? Seriously, I would dedicate all 130 lbs of my tiny frame into the beating the shit out of you if I ever saw you in person wishing that on my son. If you think the only way to learn respect about someone else is to suffer, then you're sadly misguided, and incredibly stupid. On May 02 2012 00:44 SherlockTV wrote:That's my two cents. I don't watch his stream because it provides him income to continue what he's doing. Honestly, this should have been the only thing you wrote in your post. I agree 100% with this. If you don't like the things I say or the way I act, don't watch my stream. Less people watching me = less money for me, meaning I either A) have to change the way I behave, or B) fade away from the public eye. On May 02 2012 00:44 SherlockTV wrote:I think any community that is a community at all would see his stream has a negative impact on it and would seek to prevent it by de-listing his stream. Negative impact on the community? I have the most viewer hours of any current SC2 streamer. You don't think that counts for anything? On May 02 2012 00:44 SherlockTV wrote:Clearly he does not paint an accurate picture of our community of gamers and e-sports. Ah, that's why so many people watch me. I understand now. On May 02 2012 00:44 SherlockTV wrote:Why would we want to be associated with such a bigoted person with such ignorance that encompasses many of the stereotypes that non-gamers have against us. That we are trash-talking immature button mashers that rage and argue like children. ITT: someone wishing that someone else's child gets bullied in high school, then calling that person ignorant because he uses bad words on the internet. On May 02 2012 00:44 SherlockTV wrote:Seriously people, stop watching his shit. Its not entertaining and its not funny and its not even educational. Its a waste of time and its very negative just to listen to his logic and world views. Educational...I lol'd. Here's a novel idea Destiny...don't say any of them! Is your vocabulary so small that that really cripples your ability to communicate? Or even communicate cleverly? Some groups get that protected status because of institutionalized marginalization and discrimination. White people don't get that because they've never been marginalized. Although to be honest I have no delusions that we're going to be able to convince you in this thread. However, we can convince Quantic to keep you in line. You didn't respond to anything I said. Do you think you sound intelligent because you're requesting that I arbitrarily edit out certain words from my vocabulary because some groups of people may find those words offensive?My vocabulary is larger than most. What does that have to do with anything? Are you trying to make the claim that everyone that swears is stupid, or at least has a small vocabulary? I think I communicate cleverly plenty enough. I'm a relatively creative person, whether I'm making an analogy or insulting someone or talking dirty to your mother over the phone. I can get across most messages I have pretty clearly. Some groups get that protected status because of institutionalized marginalization and discrimination. White people don't get that because they've never been marginalized. Ah. So white people are never A) poor, B) bullied, C) disabled, or otherwise disadvantaged? You think every single white person in the world lives a perfect life? Sorry, bro, but that's pretty fucking racist. And bigoted. Although to be honest I have no delusions that we're going to be able to convince you in this thread. However, we can convince Quantic to keep you in line. I would leave my time and abandon any sponsorships before turning myself into a politically correct zombie who spews meaningless bullshit because people are too fucking weak to handle a few swear words. Your entire argument boils down to "I should be able to say offensive things that have no place in polite society." You aren't saying anything more intelligent than the 12 year olds who think they're being edgy and hardcore on xbox live by spouting that nonsense. There's a huge difference between swearing and slurring. And no, you've never been marginalized for being white. Asians have been marginalized for being asian. Homosexuals have been marginalized for being homosexual. If you want to pretend like you're some valiant defender of free speech, go right ahead. The Starcraft higher ups have already made it pretty clear they don't like this stuff coming from their players or casters. Maybe the LoL community will have a home for you. Asians are not really a marginalized minority within our society. They are comparable if not more successful than whites on most of the relevant criteria; college attendance, job performance, the like. The mere fact that we stereotype Asians as "smart" or "good at math" is pretty indicative of this. If you look at the community's perception of Koreans in general, this is pretty clear. Many individuals think Koreans are better either just innately or because their culture is innately superior. Yeah, that could be true, but it's often characterized as racist when applied to Western (read: white) cultures. I'm sorry that you get offended easily, but that's you, I don't really care about slurs on my Irish ethnicity, although it's only been a few decades since we've fit in mainstream "white" society, and barring the sole exception of the Kennedy family, are generally absent from the top echelons of American society. Slurs on African Americans receive a more serious response in American society because of the huge impact white-black race relations has had on this country. For better or worse, that's a fact, and orb paid for that mistake. Destiny insulted some random guy on a video game in which said ethnicity is widely regarded as superior. I don't see anything coming of this.
Maybe you forgot about the concentration camps we had for the Japanese back in WWII? Or maybe you're unfamiliar with the political ads that blatantly demonize the Chinese?
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its a well known fact that he is one of the biggest hypocrites on NA lol
i stopped watching his stream after realizing that theres absolutely nothing to learn from it. all he does is complain about this and that, and goes off and does whatever he complains about a few seconds later
protoss imbalanced easy race? gonna go play protoss. NA players all classless? gonna go be racist few minutes later.
honestly id be mad if i was him too, to put so much time into the game and still not be able to be a threat at any tournament he goes to. he has to make his money somehow and this is how he does it
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I will say, that I have absolutely no opinion at all on this topic and feel incapable of passing judgement on any of those involved. Maybe I will get angry at Destiny if he calls me a nazi ginger faggot on stream. Just maybe.
+ Show Spoiler +and mailing the sponsors is actually hurting ESPORTS
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EG was blindsided by a Reddit thread about orb that blew up in a matter of days and the community did them a terrible disservice by going to the sponsors without allowing them time to handle the situation properly.
Quantic knows exactly how Destiny behaves, the language he uses and how he conducts himself publicly. None of the information about Destiny's behaviour presented in this thread is new to them. It's obvious that they fully accept the risk of doing business with Destiny and support his behaviour because it brings them viewers.
In spite of what InControl says, going to the sponsors in this case is not irrational. Quantic has made their choice, and many people in this thread (myself not included in them) would like to make the sponsors aware of that choice.
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The fact that the (TL) community sort of 'accepts' the fact that Destiny is popular because of BM, regardless of what form it is, as 'normal', is surprising. I've had my share of warnings and temp bans for voicing ugly opinions, but to me they're still my opinions and I don't always have to be polite and eloquent if I want my point made, regardless of how people take it. I don't really care if he talks smack or not, everyone does it to a certain degree.
As for the racism thing, the first page is really the shocker. But some people have it right - had it been "nigger", I doubt the whole 'oh, it's Destiny being Destiny' thing would fly. I've watched him on SOTG, MLG interviews, and various other media outside his stream, and he's polite - as it should be. Just because it's your stream, especially the fact that it's featured on Team Liquid, doesn't mean you can throw words like "gook" around. But shit, that's just one opinion in a sea of opinions. Destiny can do whatever he wants, it's his business. As for the screenshot in the OP, if you're not prepared to be offended by four letter words, there's an in-game mature language filter. Cock, fuck, shit, all blocked.
On the topic of racism, and again this is my opinion: Asians just don't give a shit. Not all, but most really couldn't care less. They don't have a Jesse Jackson, an NCAAP, or Black Panthers. They don't have a BET. There's no MLK day, no PR day parade. It's as if racism against Asian-Americans (and Asians in general) just isn't a big deal. And it sucks, but it's reality, at least where I come from. I guess they're too busy becoming doctors, brokers, lawyers, engineers and scientists to give a shit. They don't blame the [whites] for their misfortunes, they don't really beef with anyone other than themselves these days. Again, all my opinion on the topic.
Quoting the People vs Hall
[Chinese are] "a race of people whom nature has marked as inferior, and who are incapable of progress or intellectual development beyond a certain point, as their history has shown; differing in language, opinions, color, and physical conformation; between whom and ourselves nature has placed an impassable difference" and as such had no right " to swear away the life of a citizen" or participate" with us in administering the affairs of our Government."
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On May 02 2012 02:03 Digitalis wrote:
this thread is literally killing e sports
Bad sportsmanship and racism is.
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cool your jet's guys. The quantic ceo doesn't have a BA in asian studies, he won't find 'gook' or the social context very interesting.
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On May 02 2012 02:10 PeZuY wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 02:08 parkjimo wrote:On May 02 2012 02:07 Angel_ wrote:On May 02 2012 02:03 parkjimo wrote:On May 02 2012 02:01 Acronysis wrote:On May 02 2012 01:59 parkjimo wrote:
I emailed Razer about Destiny and Quantic Gaming because asking Quantic Gaming to do anything will not accomplish anything.
It is clear that the team only picked up Destiny because of his abrasive and terrible behavior. His dark and edgy ways are what Quantic Gaming actually like about him, so it is useless to expect them to do anything. As long as he is bringing attention to himself and his team, he is good no matter what.
The only way to actually get done is to email sponsors and concern them about his behavior. Sorry if this seems "extreme", but it is the only choice. Is it really the only choice? How about fucking waiting a little to see if anything comes of this - why not at least give Quantic a chance? What if they do come out and do somthing about it, then you just e-mailed shit to the sponsors and hurt quantic even further. Wait a little - wait things out. Don't do something stupid just because you are not patient enough to see where things go. Quantic has had chances in the past to discipline him for his terrible behavior. It is not the first time that Destiny has acted badly towards people. He calls people "faggots" or "niggers" or "gooks" or anything else he thinks is provocative enough to get attention. Quantic has never once done anything about it. In fact, they seemingly encourage it. and how many times have you or anyone else emailed quantic about it? exactly. I have a few times already. Most recently I emailed them about when he called Startale_Rainbow a "faggot" on ladder. Nothing happened. I heard idra calls people faggots in the stream, should I post because of frustration? No. Idiotism at finest!
If you have noticed, he does not call people "faggots" too much anymore. EG is a responsible team that knows how to control bad behavior from its players.
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On May 02 2012 02:00 intrigue wrote:
guys, i'd like to let you know that i've suffered a bit in my life. that means i know what the world is like. i also never make mistakes, because, as i've mentioned, i've been through some hardship. this qualifies me to make sweeping social critiques that spans way beyond any of our lifetimes. fuck the empty media!
Seriously? Who is this faggot? I thought the colored name or w/e meant he was a mod or some shit?
How fucking mad are you right now, bro?
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okay, here is an experiment :
I hate every human and want to harm their feelings as much as possible with this line!
did one of the few who will read this post feel offended?
i presume you don't, but why is it the case?
is it because there were no hateful/racial words in it?
but i wrote something that should be way more offensive than such a word.
if you want to say, that person X should be treated differently, you have to establish why it is wrong first.
or do you imply that doing something that isn't wrong should still be punished?
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Not the first time, and won't be the last time.
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