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On April 09 2012 07:43 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2012 07:38 Tunkeg wrote:
Also some more funny statistics from my list. Town is 6-14-1 (tie) in 2012 (including Game of Thrones). For the last 15!!! games town is 2-13. Why, well I'd say because players suck at reading the game (I am pretty sucky at this as well). But at least I don't just vote on anyone who have an idea that isn't to my liking. The ones voting for me now are the ones who makes town lose every game, they don't have a clue whats scummy and whats not... DING DING DING DING DING usually town wins when there are at least 4-5 players on their A game (in a game of this size) consolidating their reads to crush scumteams together. This last happened, as I remember correctly, in L. Normally town loses when no one reads and people derp around not looking like town, becoming inactive, allowing scum to blend in, posting things that make no sense, creating distractions, and arguing about things that are irrelevant to finding scum. So, for one, Tunkeg: admit that your spreadsheet was not an advocation of random lynch because it inherently favored lynching bads. Jackal may or may not be a bad player, but wanting to lynch him because he's at the bottom of your spreadsheet is not advocating a random lynch, it's advocating a lynch based on him being at the bottom of your spreadsheet (which is determined by your grading mechanic of win pct) That is obviously irrelevant to finding scum. Let's move on. Who do you actually think is scum this game and who would you kill right now if you had to?
I will not comment on the random lynch thingy to you, because you don't want to lynch me for it. Lets just say I disagree...
Now for who I would lynch right now:
Noone, but if forced:
1. Blazinghand for his easy cases.
2. Kenpachi for being useless and should have known better.
"But Tunkeg why wouldn't you lynch ET, Grackaroni, michaelthe, mementos and the others who have suspected you?"
Well, even though I think they aren't playing great, I don't think they are scummy atm. This because I am actually capable of understanding that players I disagree with not neccesarily is scum.
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slOosh is a funny guy. his posts are quite terrible
On April 08 2012 08:57 slOosh wrote:
So this is my first non-mini.
Is lurking more of a problem in bigger games? Are there different types of lurking that we should be more aware of?
ok so he asks questions about lurking
he gets some responses and i feel his next post is not natural at all. subtle questioning into some naive form of arrogance
On April 08 2012 09:21 slOosh wrote:
BOOORING.
Let's talk about set-up.
What is this ninja mechanic all about? Does it mean that if a watcher targets a stealthy dude, it returns no one? Or if a tracker targets a stealthy dude, it returns nothing? Can we somehow use this to find mafia (as only they can have the stealth trait)?
bipolar much? plus more questions.
Now you might be asking, why am i nitpicking a newbie?
good question. i cant answer it now that i brought it upon myself but it might be cause of his couple first posts which do not seem natural at all.
FoS.
I also dont understand the suspicion on Sputnik.
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/\ /\ lawl, ninja'd the same minute by a post asking you to contribute.
Tunkeg- your list really is crap. It's not actual hard analysis, you subjectively add values as to what to value. I tried to point that out when I jokingly noted I was in the top 9 with only 1 game as a win as scum in a noob game. You SUBJECTIVELY decided to not take a lot of things into account, how to score certain things, etc.
Perhaps more importantly, if the goal is to scum hunt on day 1, your list will never actually indicate alignment, as someone on this page pointed out.
lynch target:
I honestly think that most day 1 tells are crap- maybe I should check some of the previous games similar to this and see if that holds true or not.
Are people saying they just bracket out fourface since he intentionally posts confusingly? Is this par for the course? Why wouldnt we day 1 lynch him, unless we can reasonably expect to hit a scum on day 1, which I doubt.
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On April 09 2012 07:51 gonzaw wrote:About Toad:Here's what I think of him: Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 19:35 Toadesstern wrote:Sup guyses, here I am. Anything important going on other than noobs bashing each other? I'm referring to that Risen vs ET conversation I just read and I don't know what to make of Risen yet. I have no idea what Risen is trying to achieve as he clearly is stretching when talking about / with ET imo. However I really liked this post he did: On April 08 2012 15:14 Risen wrote:On April 08 2012 14:46 Katina wrote:
EchelonTee, I have made the observation that your posting is different from jubjub. I don't remember you swearing or USING CAPS TO EMPHASIZE A POINT. Last game you were active but very laid back and you turned out to be Mafia. That scratches out one person I have to worry about being mafia. The fuck? How does that make him instantly town? The only way you could make the judgement this early is if you KNEW he wasn't town. As in, hi scumI'm off to bed at this point. Hopefully the euros will get in this thread and keep it active. I mean, I don't like the post itself but the message itself is okayish. What Katina said is wrong and if that's not some kind of joke it's definitively weird and has to be pointed out. So I'd really like to have less of those "yo dude, I didn't accuse you in the first place - sure you did - no I didn't - WHAT?!?!" posts as they're pretty useless (useless like wbg's vote) and more of those "that's stupid, stop it" posts (as long as they've got at least a little tiny bit of an explanation so everyone can understand what's going on in your head) and if someone keeps doing stupid things although we told him to stop it we lynch him the next day. Pretty easy. And yeah, you know I agree with VE when he said shooting/lynching lurkers is a nice thing to do. I agree that I don't like to lynch them early on because that gives so little information and it's really easy for mafia to just hop on lurker-wagons which essentially would give us 0 information. Of course that only works if we actually have vigs, so if there's no dead lurkers by the end of day 2 or day3 we might have to overthink that one. Someone else here right now? I just woke up an hour ago or so and I don't like pretending to talk to someone when I really am not. If there is someone else around here: Remember how I said I'd like to shoot VE pregame if I end up being a vig? Right now I'd shoot wbg instead if I had a gun, thoughts anyone? I found this a bad first post (although not as bad as Janaan's). His whole post is based on a "good post" Risen made (which isn't actually that good at all I think), and dwelling on that; and then just talking fluff (IMO) about the whole Risen vs ET thing. Then talking about lurkers, which is mostly fluff again. What I find about most of his posts, is that he talks A LOT about irrelevant stuff, and drags it way too much. He posts some fluff, and instead of being clear about his reads and intentions he spends paragraphs discussing some things which again, are irrelevant, or he spends a lot of time discussing things he could have said with just 1 sentence. For instance this post: Show nested quote +On April 09 2012 01:20 Toadesstern wrote:On April 08 2012 23:59 slOosh wrote:On April 08 2012 19:35 Toadesstern wrote:
Pretty easy. And yeah, you know I agree with VE when he said shooting/lynching lurkers is a nice thing to do. I agree that I don't like to lynch them early on because that gives so little information and it's really easy for mafia to just hop on lurker-wagons which essentially would give us 0 information. Of course that only works if we actually have vigs, so if there's no dead lurkers by the end of day 2 or day3 we might have to overthink that one.
So what is your conclusion on the matter of lurkers? Lynch them or no? On April 08 2012 21:18 Toadesstern wrote:
I'd actually say Risen and WBG are the only ones being suspicious for me right now. I don't think ET is that weird.
However I liked the one post from Risen I quoted so that's given me a little townread.
Right now it really feels like what I thought about VE in storm. I had a bunch of things that made me think he's town, I had a bunch of things that made me think he's mafia and I didn't know what to make of that and he ended up being 3rd party but of course this is only day1 based on a couple hours of our game :p
To you WBG is suspicious but Kenpachi isn't? What exactly makes WBG suspicious? 1) Lynch them if we need to. I'd rather see them shot and have our lynches on people were we force people to take a stance as it's quite easy for mafia to be on a lurker-lynch and argue that that's just normal as everyibe did that as well and there's very little reasoning involved other than "the guy is a lurker". However telling people you think X is scummy, Y is scummy and Z is scummy because of *insert analysis here* and seeing all 3 flipping town is a little worrying unless you're a retarded compulsive vig like SOME PEOPLE tend to be. So that's why I'd like to have real lynches and keep the lurkers for our vig/vigs if we got some unless we don't have a legit real lynch candidate around. In that case lynching a lurker is fine as a safe option imo. 2) Funny you mentioned Kenpachi. He's the guy I'd like to shoot if I had to shoot someone other than wbg right now. But that's not because he's suspicious but because he's Kenpachi. I totally hate that "style" and he will be a controversial topic at some point in this game imo. I doubt he's going to be helpful at all all game long and he's probably going to lurk all the time while sometimes posting a couple of oneliners that have nothing to do with the thread but may or may not benefit his own ability to judge people based on reactions. That's how I feel about Kenpachi and long story short = he's a null for me and I doubt he's going to go highly either the one or the other way in reads so if I had to shoot it'd be a coinflip option which is bad but really a secure shot because it's not like shooting Kenpachi is going to harm the game like shooting a Vet would if that guy turns out to be a townie. Also I find a kind of "neutral" tone in his posts. Like he doesn't care that much (but take this with a grain of salt). Also, what Katina says is kind of true, he lacks some "focus". He does start saying Risen is suspicious, and then WBG and Kenpachi are (although he then says Ken is null, well whatever). But then he goes off topic with the previous stuff I mentioned, then spends paragraphs and paragraphs discussing how he "tries to appear town". And he solely focuses on discrediting Kenpachi and FoSing WBG, and I don't find his reasons compelling, nor clear enough. I'd want him or Janaan lynched instead of the other candidates today. So people, I ask you again: What do you think about Toad and what I mentioned in this post?
About Janaan:His first post was very bad, and it is sufficient for a Day 1 lynch on him IMO. Yes, I want him pressured, and I want other people's thoughts on him and if they agree on lynching him based on his 1st post, and lack of participation considering the enthusiastic tone of his post. Mostly, I want him lynched; but again I'd prefer to reap the benefits from this pressure on him as well (i.e opinions from other people, how Janaan handles the pressure, etc).
Ok so you never played with me I guess? Newsflash: I do everything you said as town ever since my 2nd game of mafia, also known as the "hyshes-disaster"
Seriously, all you've got on me is me making these wall of texts and while I can understand some people don't like that it's what I do and I if you've got nothing except for that it's just the worst case ever...
You're taking a meta argument and you're saying "here's what toad does every single game, he does it this game as well, therefore he has to be mafia" which is just awful.
I mean please go ahead and just look realy short at my filter in other games I play town. My most recent games as town are L, AC and Storm if I'm not forgetting something. You will see very soon that I'm doing that kidn of thing all the time by just opening a single filter of my previously played games.
Could you explain what you're referring to when talking about a neutral tone because I don't see that?
And he solely focuses on discrediting Kenpachi and FoSing WBG, and I don't find his reasons compelling, nor clear enough.
Do you want me to focus on more different people? That's kind of weird? So do you find my lack of focus (which I can't see) weird or do you find me focusing on things weird? What is it?
Oh and I never said Kenpachi is suspicious (I think?), I said he's not trying to show people if he's town or not and that I don't like him because I doubt that he's going to change that attitude making him a nice vig hit imo.
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VE and BH are interesting cases.
Blazinghand:
Hmm, yes he seems to go against "easy" targets. And he didn't contribute anything at all other than going against ST and 4Face. I don't like this lack of contribution from him; and I know he's capable enough to contribute when he's town.
If he doesn't, then kill him by all means.
VisceraEyes:
Now he is more interesting yet. He did appear to be active (at one point) like he uses to when town.
However, I don't think he's acting like he does when town. He's not aggressive, and seems too neutral.
He asks some people questions, but then he's just around, and doesn't seem to make any stances.
He does make a stance on Risen, but way too late; and I don't think his reasons are too compelling either. He isn't contributing or pressuring people as much as I'd like.
I find his attitude weird as well, he say he will be the "atmosphere police", but I don't see him doing anything about it. He seems too playful as well, directly talking about Jackal and how he's "a boss"; or saying "If you want to vote for scum, perhaps try on a nice Risen? Or maybe I could entice you to indulge your fantasies and lynch a wherebugsgo? ".
So yep, I think both are suspicious and I'll keep my eye on them.
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On April 09 2012 07:18 gonzaw wrote:
Tunkeg, Jackal, jhonny.
What do you guys think about Toad? And what do you think about Janaan? Do you think my previous case holds enough water or not to lynch Janaan?
Not enough from janaan for me to make a verdict. First post doesn't really stick out to me as scum or town.
Toad isn't popping out to me specifically. He's contributing and active, but as people said, in some posts he doesn't have focus, but most of the time I can see a purpose. I don't really have a read on him right now.
So neither looks either scummy or towny to me...
I'm wondering why BH isn't posting more. In Sum of all Fears he posted a lot. I know it was easter but now it's past that and he's still not posting that much. I don't know his scum meta but this is certainly different than how he played as town in SoaF.
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VE who would you like to kill right now and why?
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Toad:
No, I'm reading Arkham City and I find your style different from here.
You are way too verbose this game. In AC, you didn't seem to make big "fluffy" posts, and when you spoke you were concise about your thoughts (even if you had many of them and wrote paragraphs about them). Also, AC was a game with special mechanics, so talking a little bit too much about them was fine. There are no strange mechanics here, so there's no reason for you to do so this game.
Same as L, I see your filter there and find you make concise points, have a different attitude than here (you seem too "diplomatic" and "verbose" in this game, which is very different to your attitude in those 2 games)
So no, I'm not saying "Toad is playing just like AC and L so we should lynch him"; at most I'm actually saying you are playing completely different.
Now that we are talking about them here are the filters I'm talking about:
AC: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=305850&user=40853
L: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716&user=40853
On April 09 2012 08:08 Toadesstern wrote:
Do you want me to focus on more different people? That's kind of weird? So do you find my lack of focus (which I can't see) weird or do you find me focusing on things weird? What is it?
That's not the "focus" I (and surely Katina) am talking about.
I mean that you go and pressure Kenpachi/wbg, but then you start rambling with Katina/sloosh about lurkers and why you act like you act, etc. Then you go back to Kenpachi/wbg, but then you start rambling about why you are "trying to act like town". You just mention those players every once and then, but it gets lost in the middle of your posts. It's like your reads take a backseat to the other stuff you are discussing.
It seems that your FoS on Ken/wbg/Risen goes unnoticed, it's like you don't really care about it. I don't see you actively voting them, pressuring them, asking other people about them, etc.
Again, not mentioning I don't find your reads and reasons for them compelling enough.
Could you explain what you're referring to when talking about a neutral tone because I don't see that?
It relates to that "lack of focus" thing I said earlier and how it seems you don't "care that much" about the game.
I want other people's thoughts on this first though.
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On April 09 2012 08:33 gonzaw wrote:Toad: No, I'm reading Arkham City and I find your style different from here. You are way too verbose this game. In AC, you didn't seem to make big "fluffy" posts, and when you spoke you were concise about your thoughts (even if you had many of them and wrote paragraphs about them). Also, AC was a game with special mechanics, so talking a little bit too much about them was fine. There are no strange mechanics here, so there's no reason for you to do so this game. Same as L, I see your filter there and find you make concise points, have a different attitude than here (you seem too "diplomatic" and "verbose" in this game, which is very different to your attitude in those 2 games) So no, I'm not saying "Toad is playing just like AC and L so we should lynch him"; at most I'm actually saying you are playing completely different. Now that we are talking about them here are the filters I'm talking about: AC: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=305850&user=40853L: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=253716&user=40853Show nested quote +On April 09 2012 08:08 Toadesstern wrote:
Do you want me to focus on more different people? That's kind of weird? So do you find my lack of focus (which I can't see) weird or do you find me focusing on things weird? What is it?
That's not the "focus" I (and surely Katina) am talking about. I mean that you go and pressure Kenpachi/wbg, but then you start rambling with Katina/sloosh about lurkers and why you act like you act, etc. Then you go back to Kenpachi/wbg, but then you start rambling about why you are "trying to act like town". You just mention those players every once and then, but it gets lost in the middle of your posts. It's like your reads take a backseat to the other stuff you are discussing. It seems that your FoS on Ken/wbg/Risen goes unnoticed, it's like you don't really care about it. I don't see you actively voting them, pressuring them, asking other people about them, etc. Again, not mentioning I don't find your reads and reasons for them compelling enough. Show nested quote +Could you explain what you're referring to when talking about a neutral tone because I don't see that? It relates to that "lack of focus" thing I said earlier and how it seems you don't "care that much" about the game. I want other people's thoughts on this first though.
I'm answering the 2nd part first because that's really easy and short: Take a look at the timestamps. I did my first post when I woke up. That was something like 11am german time because I wasn't awake earlier. From that point on I keep talking about my thoughts & reads, also about WBG (Kenpachi really is more like a sidenote, I just happened to actually play a couple of games with him) because I thought his vote was stupid beyond belief. That's why I wanted to know why. Now remember the timestamp. WBG is from the US, I am from germany. Want me to go on post about WBG while he's clearly not here? There was no point in focussing more about wbg when I wanted him to answer my question and he wasn't there so naturally I'm ignoring it for the next couple of hours until he actually gets in here. Sounds pretty simple, doesn't it?
On your 1st point: I don't think I am. Yes I was very much more "in your face" in both L and AC but both are games I played with a pretty confident mindset based on the games before those. In Storm for example I changed that completly and people said the exact same thing about me being very diplomatic because I took a hard beating in AC and didn't want to ruin another game.
I mean it's day1 after all. Maybe I'm more fluffy on day? Also consider that both AC, Storm and L were MASSIVLY staked with vets so I didn't think I had to be as active as usual (just imagine what would have happened if I tried to be active those games :p ). This game however is different as we've got way more new people and I feel obligated to explain my thoughts a little more first to establish a town atmosphere in which people actually explain their thoughts (although according to you I'm overdoing tat) and secondly to not get another "hyshes-disaster".
However I don't think I am diplomatic. If I'd try to be diplomatic I'd dish out a couple of town reads as they're easy to do and not talk about what I think is suspicious.
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I just deleted my entire fucking post. Dammit.
It was in response to Risen talking about his semi-serious post.
On April 09 2012 01:46 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2012 01:29 Tunkeg wrote:On April 09 2012 01:11 slOosh wrote:On April 08 2012 23:41 Tunkeg wrote:
As for a random lynch I am against a totally random lynch, but for a random lynch in the way we lynch the one who is the worst player.
Yeah I want some clarification here. It basically boils down to you supporting lynching the "worst" player. How does lynching the "worst" player help us? Lynching the worst player or more importantly suggesting to lynch the worst players does this: 1. If lynch goes through and he flips scum. Great. 2. If lynch goes through and he flips town. Bummer, but still it was the worst player around. 3. If lynch doesn't go through we get to see who opposed the lynch and why. Who supported the lynch and why. Who said nothing and why. 4. No one bothers to discuss the proposed lynch and instead bickers about some stupid spreadsheet. It is a random lynch in the way no one but scum and the player himself know the allignement of the player. Random lynches works best when they don't lead to lynches but only to discussions and people taking stances. Alrighty I'm awake. Stop trying to push your lynch suggestion as "random". It wasn't. Having said that I can almost understand what you were trying to accomplish. Just drop it, though. It's useless discussing why you did it at this point. What you should be focusing on is how people responded to your suggestion (both pro/against) As for my tunneling of ET, sorry about that buddy, but someone summed it up almost to perfection earlier in the thread and I'll quote them... + Show Spoiler +On April 09 2012 00:12 Adam4167 wrote:Risen, I don't agree with what you are saying in regards to EchelonTee. You are voting him based on semantics over whether calling someone suspicious is an accusation. I think your case is paper thin and the fact that it gathered additional votes is concerning.Fourface, posting cases riddled with sarcasm is not helpful at all. It clouds the point you are trying to make and makes reading your posts more difficult then necessary. Stop it. Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 23:41 Tunkeg wrote:And I am in. Besides a very nonsaying back and forth between ET and Risen this day have thus far been very uneventful. Not even the usual LAL discussions have been started, and no crazy gamebreaking strategies have been suggested. No real subject have been offered for discussion so I will give you my own: How do you guys feel about a no lynch on day 1? What are your thoughts on random lynches? I want to avoid a no lynch on day 1, because we want information and we want to know who vote who and why from the get go. As for a random lynch I am against a totally random lynch, but for a random lynch in the way we lynch the one who is the worst player. And objectively speaking this is jackal58. At least this is the case for games started and finished in 2012 thus far. He is 1-7 in win loss with 1 draw. In my walkhrough of the games in 2012 (Kaller game and the resistance games not included) he is dead last with Jitsu and myself following behind. + Show Spoiler +So you guys want to go random lynch on jackal's ass? Tunkeg, in this post you mention the 'back and forth' between ET and Risen yet you don't comment on either's alignment or your thoughts on their dispute. What are your thoughts on both of them? Lynching Jackal over him having a poor performance this year is ridiculous. We are not here to lynch bad players, only scum. You are 100% correct, sir. The case was total shit, and the fact that anyone could bring themselves to vote for ET is mind boggling. It started off as a small semi-serious joke b/c in my last mafia game someone had said only mafia post smileys or something like that, and it turned out the smiley poster was mafia. Then ET overreacted and so I thought to myself, "Ya know what? I fucking hate when no one discusses anything. It completely ruined my last game of mafia, so lets get this game rolling." Guess what fucking happened, so much discussion. Is it based on something entirely useless? Yes. Guess what else is generating discussion based upon something entirely useless? That idiotic list. But guess what we have now? A shit ton of discussion that we can look at. As the day goes on I'll post my reads in one giant, spoilered post. Last game posting all my cases (in spite of discussion being pro-town) got called out as being scummy b/c apparently only scum would shit up the thread with "useless" analysis. So now I'll just wait and post my "useless" analysis in one giant post towards the end of the day.
Here.
That was my case you were talking about with the smiley faces. However, you are taking it 100% out of context. It has nothing to do with "he posted smiley faces, so he is scum" and you know it. You tried to push a case early game that was half-assed and "semi-serious" and when called on the bullshit, you say it was just a joke and a terrible case.
Damn right it was terrible, and VE has it pegged - it's very Caller-esque from JubJub.
Don't think coming back and lashing out makes you look any townie either. It's something both Town and Scum would do if they get collared, so being upset about getting caught doesn't make you sway one way or another.
So let's look back again:
On April 08 2012 13:02 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 11:41 EchelonTee wrote:finally rolled town  mattchew defiant until the end lol I kind of wish there was an election. elections = good for generating discussion. @sloosh lurkers can be a pretty big problem, but in a bigger game you have more time to call them out and get them to put forth some content that can reveal their alignment. Instead of us reaching lylo in 2 days with tons of scummy lurkers, we have some time to do stuffz. Another important thing in big games is thread readability. If possible, instead of responding with one liners back and forth with people over random topics, consolidating multiple points within a few posts goes a long way in making the atmosphere pro-town. Also means that it's easier to follow who is contributing genuinely and who is just posting fluffy shiz. WBG I'm counterclaiming you; I'm the real vanilla town. nice try fake claiming mr. scum. I don't like this guy. Your smiley face is suspect. Why talk about something isn't going to impact this game at all? That's post game talk. It's funny that you mention fluff since that's all your post is.
So here is the post that you say is what you're bullshit case is based on. The "smiley incident," as it will be dubbed. You say you know that you're case is bullshit because it's based around the "semi-serious" joke of thinking someone is scum because of an emoticon.
On April 08 2012 13:14 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 13:08 EchelonTee wrote:
Smiley face is suspect? Damn you're really stretching what you find suspicious, if you find internet expressions to be suspicious. I'm referencing the fact that I've rolled scum like 5 out of 7 times in the games I've played, and I've gotten tired of it.
I was responding to sloosh. Would you rather the thread be full of one liner accusations, as that seems to be your playstyle for this game? I didn't accuse you of anything in that post. ##vote EchelonTee
If you were voting for ET because of a semi-serious joke about a smiley, why did you vote for him after you thought his defense against you're accusations was sub-standard?
You are conforming to what other people are saying was your reason to vote, when the smiley wasn't even the reason you voted for him.
Explain?
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Okay this is dead
Jitsu, what do you think of Janaan and Toad?
Do you have anything else to say about other players?
Also, it should be noted that Lyter and stormtrout haven't posted anything at all.
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On April 09 2012 06:54 gonzaw wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 09:51 Janaan wrote:
1.I see we started early. Excellent. This will be my first non-newbie mini game, so bear with me while I get a handle on reading and analyzing a much bigger thread with 3 times the players.
2.Only things that have really stood out to me so far: I like VE's initiative to get rid of lurking in a proactive way. My town games have pretty much been ruined by just a couple people lurking, and I imagine with more people playing, that problem could potentially be even worse.
3.Sl0osh, I know you're a pretty smart guy, I find it interesting that you didn't understand the Stealthy mechanic, at least well enough to have a basic understanding of it. The first thing that came to my mind when you asked for clarification? You could need more information because you ARE stealthy. I've got my eye on you.
4.Other than that, so far it seems to be mostly people posting fluffy first hour of Day 1 statements as people often do.
God Save the Queen! I found this post pretty bad 1.I don't like this tone. He tries to undermine his own play right here, saying "bear with me while I get a handle...". 2.Why say this about VE? You "like" him because he wants to get rid of lurking in a proactive way? Are you kidding me? You are telling me you never played a game where people discussed lynching and killing lurkers? It's more fluff to make it appear he's contributing. 3.Notice the words he uses. "I find it interesting that you didn't understand the Stealthy mechanic"; "I've got my eye on you". First of all, he finds that behaviour from sloosh suspicious, which is totally bullshit since no sane scum with the Stealthy trait will directly talk about it in the thread instead of PMing the mods in the first place. Second, he doesn't even seem to directly confront sloosh. He says "I find it interesting", seems too wishy washy to be an actual accusation. Again, seems like a classic scumtell of accusing someone without directly confronting them, hoping someone else will read it and confront sloosh about it; or to put some doubt in sloosh so he can come back to said suspicious later, while nobody notices said suspicion right now. 4. Again, more fluff. What motivation does he have to post this? Just more fluff (which is just a "retelling" of what's happening in the thread, it serves no purpose) to make his post look bigger. Each individual thing from your post isn't enough to make one think you are scum, but the fact that you made all of them in a single post looks very bad. I'd say you are scum, specially since you've posted almost nothing at all since, yet your post seemed to imply you were eager to participate and kind of "enthusiastic" about the game, which you clearly aren't. That isn't too damning though, maybe it's the time-zone or something, but whenever I find lack of participation when one was eager to do so before suspicious I'm generally right. ##Vote: Janaan
Let me walk through my train of thought when I posted this. Before I do, though, I want to address your last comment first. I haven't been posting because my internet was out at my apartment last night. I left for a few hours after making this post, and when I got back, I couldn't connect. I know this could be considered a cop out answer, but it's 100% true. Today, with Easter I got home from church later than usual, then I took a nap for a couple hours. I did briefly read the thread before taking the nap, but I didn't want to clutter the thread with what would have ended up being a totally useless post by any standard. Which brings us to now.
1. I know most people in this game haven't played with me before, and unless they pay attention to the newbie games, they haven't even heard my name before. I just wanted to give a quick overview of my experience (or lack thereof) without taking too much time. It may not have been necessary, but I felt that I should include it somewhere.
2. At this point in the game, not a whole lot had happened. From my point of view, the only post that I felt really had much content was VEs, so I gave my opinion on what he said. Sure, I've been in games where people discussed lurker lynching. Does that mean that we shouldn't ever discuss it again? No one else had really said much about it, and I thought it was good that VE was taking a proactive approach to getting rid of lurkers, so I said so.
3. You're basing this point off the specific words I chose to use? Really? These are pretty common words for me, honestly. It's just how I talk. Again, I was posting my first reaction of Sl0osh's post. It may not be the most insightful comment on what he said, but that's what I thought. I didn't intend on really accusing him, I was curious if/what he would say in response, but that observation is not even close to enough to call someone scum, at least for me. "I've got my eye on you" is just me saying I'll be paying close attention to Sl0osh's posts and nothing more.
4. Sure, it's fluff. If it was just to make my post look bigger as you say, though, it would be more than one line. As it is, it doesn't make anything look bigger. But sure, it was probably unnecessary.
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Janaan who should we kill today?
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On April 09 2012 10:26 wherebugsgo wrote:
Janaan who should we kill today?
I'm not sure, let me get back to you on that one. I'll have to do some re-reading before I can make a decent call for that.
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On April 09 2012 10:28 Janaan wrote:I'm not sure, let me get back to you on that one. I'll have to do some re-reading before I can make a decent call for that.
based simply on what you have read so far, I'm asking for one scumread. Right now, you don't have a choice, you must kill someone. Who is it?
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Risen is the guy I'd kill today. 100%. It might be leftover rancor from JubJub and letting Caller get away, but his little bullshit earlier is basically a carbon-copy of the stupid shit Caller pulled and I'm not letting it fly this game.
I'm willing to consolidate at the end of the day, but if I had a bullet it would have Risen's name on it.
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After a quick re-read of the early game, I'd say Jitsu is a good candidate. His first two posts are totally worthless to me, consisting of nothing but "you scum?". Then he mentions Grackroni, but doesn't feel the need to give a reason until asked about it. His reasoning doesn't make a whole lot of sense, if for no other reason that he doesn't really explain why what he's saying is true. Even though he REALLY thinks Grackroni is scum.
From there on, all he really does is berate Risen for what he calls "the smiley face incident" which no one could really say was a good idea, and Risen himself admits that. Then he just dismisses Risen's post explaining himself, saying that it was something scum and town would both do, which seems to me to serve no purpose other than to cast doubt on Risen.
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Just got back from traveling. There is no way I'm reading the last 10 pages before I go to bed, so it'll have to wait til tomorrow. Judging by the number of pictures I passed, should be good.
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I'm willing to kill Risen if it comes down to it. I
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