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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On April 09 2012 05:09 wherebugsgo wrote: I think Katina is actually correct about Toad. If he had listened to what BC and I thought townies should not be doing, then he wouldn't still be posting bullshit on purpose. Now he's grappling with Katina, trying desperately to not look like scum to her. I wonder why he's so concerned about his appearance and why he's focused on me specifically. I've made what, 3 posts so far, and one of them was a completely non-serious, throwaway pressure vote on EchelonTee. Toad's first post particularly stood out as a whole lot of stuff about nothing. I suggest you all read it yourselves and come to your own conclusion. I want to hear thoughts before we progress because Toad generally looks really bad regardless of his actual alignment (as VE has already said) Speaking of EchelonTee, despite being voted on and having the discussion centered around him, he has completely disappeared. I'm curious to see whether the pressure got to him or not. It's not beyond the realm of possibility that Risen and I voted a scum so quickly. That's the reason I am talking about you, because imo that's not what town wbg does. Answer me this one question: Do you honestly think defending myself because someone called me mafia for a reason I didn't understand in the first place is a mafia treat for me? Really? Remember L? Remember how pissed I was about you? And my first post stands out as a whole lot of stuff about nothing... let's look at everyone's else first post, shall we? I still don't know what's going on in your head. I seriously doubt that you're honest with what you're saying right now and guess you're trying to get reactions as you should know yourself what I just said. You're calling me Hypno-Toad (together with Kita) based on my most recent town games and yet you make this post... | ||
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Tunkeg
Norway1235 Posts
On April 09 2012 03:12 Katina wrote: Alright, Tunkeg your list has done nothing but clutter up the thread and make more reading for me to do! Nothing good came from that, while everyone has to argue that retarded suggestion of lynching the worst player has casued a major distraction. WE could be doing better things with the limited time we have in the day. I will keeping my eye on you dear sir. Fourface I don't really have the words to describe you. I find your name very accuate to the way you have been posting.I can't wait to see the other two.You are drawing a lot of attention to yourself with your alternate personailites. I don't think you are mafia. Oh my dear lady, lets not go down the same road we did in AC. You fooled me there (shame on you), you will not shame me this time around. For the rest of you: johnnywup - just slow or what? Useless statistics, hah, it was used to spearhead my proposal to lynch jackal. michaelthe - I thought we should be bestest friends this time around, well not anymore, I will nbot play with you (Hassybaby you are promoted to one if you like!). Grackorini - You still going on about that chainsaw thingy, didn't you nag about this in student as well. Put your money where your mouth is and vote for me then. ET - Phone home. God damn alien. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
As for is my first vote in every game throwaway, yeah, it usually is. Most of the games I've rolled town in recently have had mayoral campaigns day 1 (or push/pull in DF2) | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On April 09 2012 05:00 VisceraEyes wrote: No man, I let Caller go on this SELF-SAME THING in JubJub. I don't care if you claim it was "to get discussion going" that's a load of horseshit. There has been plenty of discussion in here WITHOUT your "little ruse". So let me introduce a third option that you failed to mention: I'm town and I genuinely believe you're scum because you're doing scummy shit and trying to excuse it after you've been called out on it. Now, here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to keep voting for you unless I'm convinced that you're being straight up with this ruse bullshit. Right now I think it's nonsense, but because you're suspicious of Bugs (someone I'm also suspicious of), I'm willing to entertain the idea that maybe THIS time town could actually be that dumb. Prove me wrong guy. Whatever. When I flip town you can look like a dumbass. Happens every game for me. Nothing new. | ||
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MidnightGladius
China1214 Posts
On April 09 2012 05:09 FourFace wrote: @MG you mad, bro? ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/3Z0C2.jpg) It's ok guys, MG tunneling me was the most predictable thing that could've happened. He still thinks I sabotaged his game despite getting mafia to roleblock zelblade (who also inherited my confirmed townie karma) about 3 times with my fake doc claim, and somehow he still managed to loose that game. His only excuse for his grudge is that I caused chaos.. what does that even mean? And after I got replaced why didn't you catch at least 1 scum? What in the world are you talking about? This is the first time that I've ever been in a game with you. If you're going to completely disregard my concerns, at least try and provide a legitimate reason for doing so. For what it's worth, I hope your latest post isn't an indication of what's to come... | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
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FourFace
701 Posts
On April 09 2012 05:29 MidnightGladius wrote: What in the world are you talking about? This is the first time that I've ever been in a game with you. If you're going to completely disregard my concerns, at least try and provide a legitimate reason for doing so. For what it's worth, I hope your latest post isn't an indication of what's to come... Wow .. i totally thought you where DoYouHas for some reason. Hahaa, my bad. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On April 09 2012 05:26 wherebugsgo wrote: [...] As for is my first vote in every game throwaway, yeah, it usually is. Most of the games I've rolled town in recently have had mayoral campaigns day 1 (or push/pull in DF2) That's what it comes down to for me. I want to know why you're doing that because from what I've heard you say while cohosting your game I think you made it pretty obvious that you don't like it when I post stupid stuff on purpose to fish for reactions like I did in storm. I am putting your vote in the same category because it was pretty bad, even Risen said his accusation was meant to be a joke until he thought ET overreacted. So imo you did that to fish for reactions as well, at least that's the only explanation I can come up with right now and that'd be something I'd say you don't like to do that way as townie considering our skype conversations. Or it was a throwaway vote like you said which had literally no meaning. If that's the case, why? | ||
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Mementoss
Canada2595 Posts
Risen Vs ET Debacle: Honestly I think this was a bit of two guys just throwing shit at each other for no justified reason. I mean the basis the case started on was an emoticon. They both sorta over-reacted towards eachother and it least it brought some discussion to the thread. As already mentioned I think the most interesting part of this is situation is the people who tried to bandwagon on this weak case. These players are as follows: Wherebugsgo FourFace It is inherintly scummy to try to vote on someone to get other people to think the case is actually better than it is. The case was bad and there was no explanation behind these crappy votes. WBG has kept this vote on. 4F has changed it to someone because he edited a post (just a noob mistake). I think these two are suspicious. Tunkeg's List Says it is a random lynch, but ti obviously isn't random if it is based on a statistic. Voting/saying someone is a bad player based on there W/L is a bad idea. We're here to kill scum, not bad players. Skill =/= alignment. Also just because someone lost a lot doesn't mean they are bad aka die day 1 and have no further influence on game. Not only was this list pointless, it was just a way to waste time. A lot of time was spent saying why it wasn't RL and why the list was bad, or the stats collected were wrong/which games were counted or not etc. Also it had the biggest shit stirring potential ever. Saying people are bad? This is just begging for people to get emotional and OMGUS back and forth. This was a really shitty/scummy move. But I'm not sure that it means Tunkeg is scum as why would he put himself out there with such a controversial idea. FourFace/Nefron ultimate anti-townie I've read other games where FourFace has played and his gameplay doesn't seem to reflect his alignment. He doesn't really have a meta other than talking about changing his meta, and trying out the stupidest strategies and roleplaying of all time. His posts are really hard to read with his split personality and sarcasm/trolliness. He jumped on the bad case for ET, then voted for ST with no real reasoning behind it. The only time he starts to actually post some sort of content is his most recent post. In which he uses UMADBRO. And other sarcastic statements. The timing of this post is also awkward. It seems he had to make a post to prove he is not useless as people started to discuss whether or not he is a good lynch for the day/easy target. He completely abadons all his previous "strategy" with this post. We will see where he goes from here. Kenpachi I don't care if its his meta to post one liners. Its still not an excuse to play like this as town. I don't think I've ever seen a post of his to exceed one line in this game or most of Aperture. I don't understand why people are defending other players based on there meta. This is scummy as hell to do. We should be pressuring them to be pro-town and help the discussion in finding scum. Not let them do whatever they please, and not suspect them just because its there meta/ they played like this last game and they were this role. Stop this. I've seen it not only used as defence on Kenpachi, but many others. Let them defend themselves so we can get some talk out of them. Right now I don't have a clear thought to who the best vote is, but will re-check filters and keep a closer eye on people to look for scummy behaviour. | ||
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Zealos
United Kingdom3576 Posts
On April 09 2012 05:30 Risen wrote: EBWOP: And it's my tunneling that started discussion of ANYTHING in the first place VE, you're full of horse manure. We've had plenty of discussion not based around the use of smiley faces in a post. You just seem to be making pointless points followed by a poor ramshackle defense. | ||
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Tunkeg
Norway1235 Posts
WTF is it with all the people that don't understand why I wanted to discuss random lynch and why I went after jackal? Stupid or just noobie? | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
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FourFace
701 Posts
stop being worried whether people will figure out what I'm doing with this Nefron/FourFace. If you understand it, chances are everyone else will also and there will be no difficulty in reading anything. Once again, for clarification: Nefron = kidney+bladder pointing out urine by concentrating it for everyone to see and deny. If click on my/our filter you will see a bunch of urine, just disregard my post (marked with FourFace for easy differentiation) Nefron I'm with Memento, pressure voting to get discussion going is complete nonsense. Even if it's not, it's not like additional votes increase the pressure or something. And the vote on ST has no reasoning whatsoever behind it except that for some inexplicable reason FourFace turned out to have 3 votes on him and one extremely condescending comment from VE, which isn't suspicious at all. It's not like mafia try to emotionally harass the player who argumentatively harasses their buddy. | ||
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FourFace
701 Posts
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
On April 09 2012 05:43 Tunkeg wrote: Great, good thing we got a summary of what have been going on here. Yeah, really... WTF is it with all the people that don't understand why I wanted to discuss random lynch and why I went after jackal? Stupid or just noobie? I guess I'm stupid. I really wish you'd explain it to me. On April 09 2012 05:56 wherebugsgo wrote: I never said don't fish for reactions as town. As town you NEED reactions. I said don't purposely act scummy in order to get reactions, because then you cause town problems. You can establish yourself as town and there are a lot of ways to get reactions out of players. First votes are usually a way to get discussion going, and rarely are they actually accurate/serious. I'd say generally only players like sandro (who comes in later in the day) will vote once and actually be serious/correct about it. This is hilarious on so many different levels. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
Managed to catch some scum but it confused townies too. | ||
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Tunkeg
Norway1235 Posts
On April 09 2012 06:21 Jackal58 wrote: I guess I'm stupid. I really wish you'd explain it to me. This is hilarious on so many different levels. In a almost dead town (except the ET and Risen BS) you don't see how discussing a random lynch on a named target benefits town? | ||
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Jackal58
United States4264 Posts
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Tunkeg
Norway1235 Posts
On April 09 2012 06:40 Jackal58 wrote: It was in no way shape or form random. Your continued insistence upon calling it random does not make it random. You posted a lame ass spread sheet with lame ass statistics on it and said let's lynch the white guy. There was absolutely nothing random about it. It is. If you don't get that definition of random I won't bother discussing with you. It is a random lynch opposed to me picking a player who have written alot of crap post. It is random in the way that it is picked without having a clue about your alignment. The only difference between this and totally random would be me taking the names and running it trough a RNG. You guys failing to understand that me picking you based on that spreadsheet (which you call shit, but which is a factual overview over the games played in 2012) is the same as me RNG'ing a name, was what caused it to not work (that is getting a good discussion about it). At least I have you and a bunch of other guys calling me scum over it so thats fine. In fact I would like you to vote on me for it, then I can call you bad not only based on stats... | ||
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