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On April 09 2012 03:36 EchelonTee wrote:
@Katina you imply that FourFace is acting erratically but don't exactly say why you think FF isn't Mafia. Do you think FF does or doesn't have an agenda with his multiple identities? Your demeanor, laughably enough, reminds me of how I acted in TL JubJub.
I think he is using the multiple personatlities to help get his point across. I don't think he is mafia at the moment. I have others that interest me more. It's not very concievable that he's mafia and created this plan to push an agenda.
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Here are my thoughts on FourFace. This is a guy who specifically to went into the Banlist to accept his punishment because he was playing what he referred to as "textbook scummy" to prove a point that someone playing anti-town does is "not an indicator of alignment", yet claims that he wasn't playing against his win-condition because he himself was still trying to find scum.
That being said, I haven't seen any evidence of him looking for scum this game yet. However, it's early and because he's going to be patently hard to read, I think he's a bad lynch for today. The chance that he's anti-town-playing-town is simply too great. I prefer we put him under further scrutiny and give him a chance to prove that he's not actively playing for scum.
I'm against a FourFace lynch at this time. I'm not confident he'll flip scum.
If you want to vote for scum, perhaps try on a nice Risen? Or maybe I could entice you to indulge your fantasies and lynch a wherebugsgo?
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On April 09 2012 03:38 Katina wrote:
Toad is looking scummy to me. He says a lot in his few posts without saying anything. I start zoning off halfway through his posts. Has anyone actually read his posts all the way through? He tires to look like he's contributing with his long posts when he's just rambling on and on and on...... Toad is all over the place and doesn't have a focus.
##Vote Toadesstern
Yeah, Toad is hard to read 100% of the time. He's another I'd file under "give more time". I see what you're saying though, it's just become endearing to me. ^^
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On April 09 2012 03:38 Katina wrote:
Toad is looking scummy to me. He says a lot in his few posts without saying anything. I start zoning off halfway through his posts. Has anyone actually read his posts all the way through? He tires to look like he's contributing with his long posts when he's just rambling on and on and on...... Toad is all over the place and doesn't have a focus.
##Vote Toadesstern
What's your point on me when you say I'm not having focus? My reasoning on saying WBG is suspicious to me? My post about how I don't want people to troll the first 24 hours like people usually do?
I haven't said much so far because I've been told to post less the last couple games from people like WBG and BC so if you'd say I'm looking weird because I'm not my usual spammy self I'd agree to a point as I'm trying to be less spammy but I don't really see your point on me.
I just can't see how you could possibly say I'm saying nothing when I'm one of the VERY few people in here who actually talk about scum reads while explaining them and why people are scummy rather than just "yep, think X is scummy".
I mean half the thread is talking about wether or not a random lynch is something useful or if Tunkeg is weird for suggesting such a thing. That's all stuff that's incredible easy to do for mafia because that's stuff that people can have different opinions on and you can't be "wrong" on that matter. So again, what's your point on me because imo everything you said about me makes me look townish (obviously I'm trying to look townish because of what you quoted from foolish) while the other stuff we got so far (as mentioned, the tungek stuff / random lynch) should be considered a nullread.
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That's a pretty decisive meta call, VE, and I'm not comfortable letting a player off the hook solely because they insist that it's their hook. I'd much prefer to judge him on the basis of what I've seen so far, and what I've seen so far is a player who cannot be trusted, taken seriously, or held accountable.
I'm waiting on WBG to give him a chance to justify his earlier posting, but if he doesn't show up in the next 8 hours, then I'd be fully willing to lynch him, as well. Risen is kind of in the same boat as FF in terms of style, but he's not as bad, and I don't see anything too scummy about him.
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On April 09 2012 03:52 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2012 03:38 Katina wrote:
Toad is looking scummy to me. He says a lot in his few posts without saying anything. I start zoning off halfway through his posts. Has anyone actually read his posts all the way through? He tires to look like he's contributing with his long posts when he's just rambling on and on and on...... Toad is all over the place and doesn't have a focus.
##Vote Toadesstern What's your point on me when you say I'm not having focus? My reasoning on saying WBG is suspicious to me? My post about how I don't want people to troll the first 24 hours like people usually do? I haven't said much so far because I've been told to post less the last couple games from people like WBG and BC so if you'd say I'm looking weird because I'm not my usual spammy self I'd agree to a point as I'm trying to be less spammy but I don't really see your point on me. I just can't see how you could possibly say I'm saying nothing when I'm one of the VERY few people in here who actually talk about scum reads while explaining them and why people are scummy rather than just "yep, think X is scummy". I mean half the thread is talking about wether or not a random lynch is something useful or if Tunkeg is weird for suggesting such a thing. That's all stuff that's incredible easy to do for mafia because that's stuff that people can have different opinions on and you can't be "wrong" on that matter. So again, what's your point on me because imo everything you said about me makes me look townish (obviously I'm trying to look townish because of what you quoted from foolish) while the other stuff we got so far (as mentioned, the tungek stuff / random lynch) should be considered a nullread.
Wait, what? Can you explain the bolded bit please? Townies don't "try to look townish"...you're missing the point of what Foolishness said entirely. Townies try and find and destroy scum. In doing so, they "look townish". They don't "try" and look townish so the rest of town can find scum easier - in what way does "trying" to look townish help you find scum?
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On April 09 2012 03:58 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2012 03:52 Toadesstern wrote:On April 09 2012 03:38 Katina wrote:
Toad is looking scummy to me. He says a lot in his few posts without saying anything. I start zoning off halfway through his posts. Has anyone actually read his posts all the way through? He tires to look like he's contributing with his long posts when he's just rambling on and on and on...... Toad is all over the place and doesn't have a focus.
##Vote Toadesstern What's your point on me when you say I'm not having focus? My reasoning on saying WBG is suspicious to me? My post about how I don't want people to troll the first 24 hours like people usually do? I haven't said much so far because I've been told to post less the last couple games from people like WBG and BC so if you'd say I'm looking weird because I'm not my usual spammy self I'd agree to a point as I'm trying to be less spammy but I don't really see your point on me. I just can't see how you could possibly say I'm saying nothing when I'm one of the VERY few people in here who actually talk about scum reads while explaining them and why people are scummy rather than just "yep, think X is scummy". I mean half the thread is talking about wether or not a random lynch is something useful or if Tunkeg is weird for suggesting such a thing. That's all stuff that's incredible easy to do for mafia because that's stuff that people can have different opinions on and you can't be "wrong" on that matter. So again, what's your point on me because imo everything you said about me makes me look townish (obviously I'm trying to look townish because of what you quoted from foolish) while the other stuff we got so far (as mentioned, the tungek stuff / random lynch) should be considered a nullread. Wait, what? Can you explain the bolded bit please? Townies don't "try to look townish"...you're missing the point of what Foolishness said entirely. Townies try and find and destroy scum. In doing so, they "look townish". They don't "try" and look townish so the rest of town can find scum easier - in what way does "trying" to look townish help you find scum?
Sure townies try to look townish as in they should give the thread a chance to properly read them.
For example Kenpachi is not doing that which is the reason I don't like him.
So I am trying to make sure to you that I am actually a townie because that leaves you guys with one less option to lynch into.
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On April 09 2012 03:55 MidnightGladius wrote:
That's a pretty decisive meta call, VE, and I'm not comfortable letting a player off the hook solely because they insist that it's their hook. I'd much prefer to judge him on the basis of what I've seen so far, and what I've seen so far is a player who cannot be trusted, taken seriously, or held accountable.
I'm waiting on WBG to give him a chance to justify his earlier posting, but if he doesn't show up in the next 8 hours, then I'd be fully willing to lynch him, as well. Risen is kind of in the same boat as FF in terms of style, but he's not as bad, and I don't see anything too scummy about him.
This is very fair. I don't begrudge you your vote (he is feeling abrasive and anti-town) if it ends up on FourFace. I'm just giving you my reasoning for not supporting the vote for myself.
Risen's reasoning is entirely based around a couple of really piss-poor accusations of things that aren't even scummy. Everything else is trying to justify his original accusations which were weak to begin with. That is actually more scummy than FourFace's posting as far as I'm concerned...which is why I support a Risen lynch versus a FourFace lynch.
In fact, I'm gonna go ahead and make it official.
##Vote: Risen
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On April 09 2012 04:06 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2012 03:55 MidnightGladius wrote:
That's a pretty decisive meta call, VE, and I'm not comfortable letting a player off the hook solely because they insist that it's their hook. I'd much prefer to judge him on the basis of what I've seen so far, and what I've seen so far is a player who cannot be trusted, taken seriously, or held accountable.
I'm waiting on WBG to give him a chance to justify his earlier posting, but if he doesn't show up in the next 8 hours, then I'd be fully willing to lynch him, as well. Risen is kind of in the same boat as FF in terms of style, but he's not as bad, and I don't see anything too scummy about him. This is very fair. I don't begrudge you your vote (he is feeling abrasive and anti-town) if it ends up on FourFace. I'm just giving you my reasoning for not supporting the vote for myself. Risen's reasoning is entirely based around a couple of really piss-poor accusations of things that aren't even scummy. Everything else is trying to justify his original accusations which were weak to begin with. That is actually more scummy than FourFace's posting as far as I'm concerned...which is why I support a Risen lynch versus a FourFace lynch. In fact, I'm gonna go ahead and make it official. ##Vote: Risen
If you care enough, read his lastest post. He specifies that he did that in order to generate discussion, and he was actually succesful on that as he even made two people vote ET wrongly, outing them on the thread. For example, look at wbg.
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saying it was to generate discussion is a very easy way to backtrack out of scumslips. doing something stupid then saying it was for discussion doesn't fly by me.
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Something THAT stupid? That forced? I mean, I prefer to have faith in humanity :/
Im not saying he isnt scum, but I dont think he is a good day 1 lynch.
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Was away yesterday for easter catching up on the thread and will post when possible.
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Agree there. I'm not sure what to make of Risen yet.
I think WBG is the most sucpicious right now because of his bullshit post earlier on and everyone knows that WBG hates people who are bullshitting on purpose (like Tunkeg did and like I sometimes do) so I doubt he'd do that on purpose.
However, he hasn't answered so far and it's still more than 24 hours until deadline so we should probably wait until he gets in here.
Also I'm saying it again: I really don't like the fact that Kenpachi is not doing a shit, at all. I know that's his style and all but I'm not going to give him freecard for lurking just because it's his style when we agreed that we want a at least decent activity level. Just look at his filter, even Jackal is posting more and we all know Jackal lurks like crazy no matter of alignment :p
Those two know this game, they know how to play and yet they seem not to...
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On April 09 2012 03:52 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2012 03:38 Katina wrote:
Toad is looking scummy to me. He says a lot in his few posts without saying anything. I start zoning off halfway through his posts. Has anyone actually read his posts all the way through? He tires to look like he's contributing with his long posts when he's just rambling on and on and on...... Toad is all over the place and doesn't have a focus.
##Vote Toadesstern What's your point on me when you say I'm not having focus? My reasoning on saying WBG is suspicious to me? My post about how I don't want people to troll the first 24 hours like people usually do? I haven't said much so far because I've been told to post less the last couple games from people like WBG and BC so if you'd say I'm looking weird because I'm not my usual spammy self I'd agree to a point as I'm trying to be less spammy but I don't really see your point on me. I just can't see how you could possibly say I'm saying nothing when I'm one of the VERY few people in here who actually talk about scum reads while explaining them and why people are scummy rather than just "yep, think X is scummy". I mean half the thread is talking about wether or not a random lynch is something useful or if Tunkeg is weird for suggesting such a thing. That's all stuff that's incredible easy to do for mafia because that's stuff that people can have different opinions on and you can't be "wrong" on that matter. So again, what's your point on me because imo everything you said about me makes me look townish (obviously I'm trying to look townish because of what you quoted from foolish) while the other stuff we got so far (as mentioned, the tungek stuff / random lynch) should be considered a nullread.
I'm saying that you are acting like Mafia bcause they don't have a focus, ramble, don't contribute, etc. You try so hard to direct everthing back onto me instead of responding to what I said. You say that you're not being your usual spammy self but I didn't even bring that up as an arguement. You're being dodgy and responding to a arguments against you that weren't even made little frog.
Why do you have to act townish? That's a pretty interesting thing to say.... If your town then you shouldn't have to say your acting townish. That sounds Mafiaish.
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I like how you're focusing on lynching the guy who got discussion started instead of on the idiots who jumped on the dumbest bandwagon ever started. You're either scum looking for a surface bandwagon while distracting attention from your buddies who jumped on ET or looking to see who jumps on me so you can get a read on them (this is directed at VE). If 1, well keep doing your thing. If 2, I already did that, so we can take a hard look at wbg and FF. FF got off the wagon as soon as he realized how stupid it was and got onto the next scummy looking guy, S.T
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On April 09 2012 04:38 Katina wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2012 03:52 Toadesstern wrote:On April 09 2012 03:38 Katina wrote:
Toad is looking scummy to me. He says a lot in his few posts without saying anything. I start zoning off halfway through his posts. Has anyone actually read his posts all the way through? He tires to look like he's contributing with his long posts when he's just rambling on and on and on...... Toad is all over the place and doesn't have a focus.
##Vote Toadesstern What's your point on me when you say I'm not having focus? My reasoning on saying WBG is suspicious to me? My post about how I don't want people to troll the first 24 hours like people usually do? I haven't said much so far because I've been told to post less the last couple games from people like WBG and BC so if you'd say I'm looking weird because I'm not my usual spammy self I'd agree to a point as I'm trying to be less spammy but I don't really see your point on me. I just can't see how you could possibly say I'm saying nothing when I'm one of the VERY few people in here who actually talk about scum reads while explaining them and why people are scummy rather than just "yep, think X is scummy". I mean half the thread is talking about wether or not a random lynch is something useful or if Tunkeg is weird for suggesting such a thing. That's all stuff that's incredible easy to do for mafia because that's stuff that people can have different opinions on and you can't be "wrong" on that matter. So again, what's your point on me because imo everything you said about me makes me look townish (obviously I'm trying to look townish because of what you quoted from foolish) while the other stuff we got so far (as mentioned, the tungek stuff / random lynch) should be considered a nullread. I'm saying that you are acting like Mafia bcause they don't have a focus, ramble, don't contribute, etc. You try so hard to direct everthing back onto me instead of responding to what I said. You say that you're not being your usual spammy self but I didn't even bring that up as an arguement. You're being dodgy and responding to a arguments against you that weren't even made little frog. Why do you have to act townish? That's a pretty interesting thing to say.... If your town then you shouldn't have to say your acting townish. That sounds Mafiaish.
I brought that up because I said I don't understand what you're talking about when imo I'm one of the guy who IS actually taking stances in this thread which I consider to be focussed while the other stuff we got so far (stuff mafia can easily talk about) may appear focussed but actually isn't useful to find mafia at all because again: Those are topics you can have different opinions on very easily.
So again, I don't understand what you are talking about when you say I am not focused because I think I am. That's why I brought up my not so spammish self because that COULD be a reason for people to think I'm weird although it really shouldn't be so I figured that's maybe what you're really referring to.
I am not acting townish, I am trying to make sure to you guys I am a townie.
#1 priority: Make sure everyone knows you are town
#2 priority: Find and lynch mafia yourself
#1 helps everyone in this game figure out mafia because there's less people to consider, #2 is nice once you've got #1 covered. If you got #2 covered you only need to start convincing people :p
I never said I'm acting townish which is a completly different thing.
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On April 09 2012 04:39 Risen wrote:
I like how you're focusing on lynching the guy who got discussion started instead of on the idiots who jumped on the dumbest bandwagon ever started. You're either scum looking for a surface bandwagon while distracting attention from your buddies who jumped on ET or looking to see who jumps on me so you can get a read on them (this is directed at VE). If 1, well keep doing your thing. If 2, I already did that, so we can take a hard look at wbg and FF. FF got off the wagon as soon as he realized how stupid it was and got onto the next scummy looking guy, S.T
No man, I let Caller go on this SELF-SAME THING in JubJub. I don't care if you claim it was "to get discussion going" that's a load of horseshit. There has been plenty of discussion in here WITHOUT your "little ruse".
So let me introduce a third option that you failed to mention: I'm town and I genuinely believe you're scum because you're doing scummy shit and trying to excuse it after you've been called out on it.
Now, here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to keep voting for you unless I'm convinced that you're being straight up with this ruse bullshit. Right now I think it's nonsense, but because you're suspicious of Bugs (someone I'm also suspicious of), I'm willing to entertain the idea that maybe THIS time town could actually be that dumb. Prove me wrong guy.
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I think Katina is actually correct about Toad. If he had listened to what BC and I thought townies should not be doing, then he wouldn't still be posting bullshit on purpose. Now he's grappling with Katina, trying desperately to not look like scum to her. I wonder why he's so concerned about his appearance and why he's focused on me specifically. I've made what, 3 posts so far, and one of them was a completely non-serious, throwaway pressure vote on EchelonTee. Toad's first post particularly stood out as a whole lot of stuff about nothing. I suggest you all read it yourselves and come to your own conclusion. I want to hear thoughts before we progress because Toad generally looks really bad regardless of his actual alignment (as VE has already said)
Speaking of EchelonTee, despite being voted on and having the discussion centered around him, he has completely disappeared. I'm curious to see whether the pressure got to him or not. It's not beyond the realm of possibility that Risen and I voted a scum so quickly.
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FourFace
On April 09 2012 03:27 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2012 03:22 Zephirdd wrote:
Grack, do you really believe 4F is the easiest target right now? What do you think about the S.T who looks much like a noob scum(as pointed out by BH)?
4F is definitely the easiest target. He said that he will not justify his votes and that he doesn't care about the game. You can tell he is the easy target just from the last couple posts alone voting for him. It's still day1 but I think that S.T looks like a noob scum because he is a noob scum and I think that Tunkeg was trying to protect him by chainsaw attacking BH.
I am not an easy target I assure you. There is nothing even remotely based on arguments going on about me, and the smoke will clear to reveal some ludicrous behavior by some.
@MG
you mad, bro?
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/3Z0C2.jpg)
It's ok guys, MG tunneling me was the most predictable thing that could've happened. He still thinks I sabotaged his game despite getting mafia to roleblock zelblade (who also inherited my confirmed townie karma) about 3 times with my fake doc claim, and somehow he still managed to loose that game. His only excuse for his grudge is that I caused chaos.. what does that even mean? And after I got replaced why didn't you catch at least 1 scum?
@michaelthe
Other have an emotional reason to vote for me, you don't, which means you'll look pretty scummy if this lynch goes through. The case against me was made by someone who is so unattentive when reading that I don't even know how to formulate a post by Nefron to point out the unusually high concentration of urine
check it out:
On April 09 2012 02:44 johnnywup wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 22:31 sputnik.theory wrote:
Hi all. I'm against voting for anyone currently posting in this thread, especially on turn 1. Let's take a little time to let the game get going before we jump to conclusions. I'm agreed on voting for any inactive players tho. Back to post after easter, I'll be reading the thread all day. This post just is scummy imo, it's super generic and just says that he'll be lurking. Doesn't make any argument, doesn't agree or disagree with any points (unless you count agreeing for voting inactives an important agreement). The first part, " I'm against voting for anyone currently posting in this thread, especially on turn 1" is just weird. If we're going to lynch someone, it has to be someone who is in the thread, right? Who else would we lynch? Pointing out something obvious.
Did he honestly fail to understand what ST was saying? I mean he said I'm against voting for anyone currently posting in this thread not playing in this game.
And I'd ask him about his super scumfind but I'm sure he wouldn't be able to come up with any reasonable support for anything he says.
On April 09 2012 02:44 johnnywup wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 22:09 FourFace wrote:I'll drop the kidney+bladder stuff for one second. Proleague Final is so fucking awesome holy fucking shit. Anyway He did point out 4Face ninja vote . I want to clarify that I won't be announcing my vote in this thread, meaning I'll always ninja vote. As I stated before my voting is not linked to my function so in most cases it'll be futile to look for reasons why I voted like I did. Not only don't I care if anyone thinks it's what mafia would do to avoid having to explain himself, I also think I won't be giving a shit this whole game because I'm vanilla town/ Lord.. again .. for the 3rd consecutive time. I will however perform the function I set out to perform to test its efficiency. PS: If you don't know what I'm talking about please read my first 2 posts before the game started. scummiest post in the thread imo, anti-town agenda. Something also a little odd is that he says vanilla town/ Lord instead of just Lord or just vanilla town. It's almost as if he wants to clarify that vanilla town is lord. "As I stated before my voting is not linked to my function so in most cases it'll be futile to look for reasons why I voted like I did". He admits to voting without reason and without argument...so whoever he wants to vote for he will. "
I planned on my voting being independent from my Nefron function, not that it would be without reason. And now that I have decided to let everyone know how I'm voting .. even that issue should be off the table. It would've been more effective to vote pro-town without letting mafia know my motives. People looking for urine in the fourface filter will now have to look past the FourFace posts but the Nefron/FourFace compromise was a good, spontanious solution which has its advantages and on the contrary is easy to read. My posts about what I think is illogical are not obscurely intertwined with other aspects like what I think is scummy and funny.
By the fact that you chose to accuse me in your first ever post of the game I can imagine that you had to read through 20 pages and saw a guy doing unorthodox stuff on Easter and you felt like you needed to vent.
@VE
On April 09 2012 03:45 VisceraEyes wrote:
Here are my thoughts on FourFace. This is a guy who specifically to went into the Banlist to accept his punishment because he was playing what he referred to as "textbook scummy" to prove a point that someone playing anti-town does is "not an indicator of alignment", yet claims that he wasn't playing against his win-condition because he himself was still trying to find scum.
That being said, I haven't seen any evidence of him looking for scum this game yet. However, it's early and because he's going to be patently hard to read, I think he's a bad lynch for today. The chance that he's anti-town-playing-town is simply too great. I prefer we put him under further scrutiny and give him a chance to prove that he's not actively playing for scum.
There is so much wrong with this post of yours I can't believe it. You didn't understand my banlist post at all, but condescending me like a psychiatrist would someone who wound up at the asylum because he had a bad mushroom trip was also pretty predictable.
Here's the funny part.. mafia could kill me on night 1 (which I'd consider another trophy, my second - because it means I'm pro town; but people are too stubborn not to let bullshit blind them and even say stuff like they're glad mafia shot me because I was anti-town. And I think that's sad) You on the other hand will continue to be active and look like a leader but somehow you'll always make it through the night. Is it because medics save you or because you're scum - that will be the question.
I guess everyone has to decide what "a player causing too much chaos" for them means. Do you think I cause chaos? Do you think my actions and my defense is chaos? Or do you think you've come to grips with my style and that you can imagine having fun despite me being in this game.
PS: the scumreads on me are total horseshit.
My scumreads are vague but they're not total horseshit. I still won't unvote ST because my pressure on him seems to be effective
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I'm back people
Gonna spend some time working some things of my own, then read the thread and then present you a lynch candidate that is 100% guaranteed to be scum (I'm that good).
Yes yes I suppose you are creaming yourselves now that I'm back, but continue your discussion and I'll be back in no time.
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