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Just woke up, so I'll be posting more now
On April 08 2012 22:09 FourFace wrote:I'll drop the kidney+bladder stuff for one second. Proleague Final is so fucking awesome holy fucking shit. Anyway . I want to clarify that I won't be announcing my vote in this thread, meaning I'll always ninja vote. As I stated before my voting is not linked to my function so in most cases it'll be futile to look for reasons why I voted like I did. Not only don't I care if anyone thinks it's what mafia would do to avoid having to explain himself, I also think I won't be giving a shit this whole game because I'm vanilla town/ Lord.. again .. for the 3rd consecutive time. I will however perform the function I set out to perform to test its efficiency. PS: If you don't know what I'm talking about please read my first 2 posts before the game started.
scummiest post in the thread imo, anti-town agenda. Something also a little odd is that he says vanilla town/Lord instead of just Lord or just vanilla town. It's almost as if he wants to clarify that vanilla town is lord. "As I stated before my voting is not linked to my function so in most cases it'll be futile to look for reasons why I voted like I did". He admits to voting without reason and without argument...so whoever he wants to vote for he will. "
On April 08 2012 22:31 sputnik.theory wrote:
Hi all. I'm against voting for anyone currently posting in this thread, especially on turn 1. Let's take a little time to let the game get going before we jump to conclusions. I'm agreed on voting for any inactive players tho. Back to post after easter, I'll be reading the thread all day.
This post just is scummy imo, it's super generic and just says that he'll be lurking. Doesn't make any argument, doesn't agree or disagree with any points (unless you count agreeing for voting inactives an important agreement). The first part, "I'm against voting for anyone currently posting in this thread, especially on turn 1" is just weird. If we're going to lynch someone, it has to be someone who is in the thread, right? Who else would we lynch? Pointing out something obvious.
On April 09 2012 01:50 sputnik.theory wrote:
Guys you can't adopt the strategy of killing the guy with the worst ratio. You'll just be making his ratio worse making him an even bigger candidate to get lynched the next time he plays and so on... even though he's just as likely as anyone else to be 'guilty'. It's pretty ludicrous strategy. A bad player will be bad whether he's on town or mafia so there's no inherent advantage to either side in targeting 'bad players'.
this is just a pointless argument. I don't understand the point in saying "BUT IF HE LOSES HERE THEN HE'LL HAVE EVEN WORSE W/L". ST doesn't want jackal to die. That's scummy. And the part about not killing bad players even if they're looking super scummy isn't good.
On April 09 2012 00:00 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 23:51 Jitsu wrote:
Your system is fucked up Tnkeg. I've played more then five games and one more then one. Fairly sure.
Also, Someone take a gander at Grackroni. I've accused two people this game of being scum, but I REALLY think that he's scum. It is? I won't clutter up this thread with bickering, but I have registered these games on you in 2012: Jubjub - Town - Loss Storm - Town - Loss NMM III- Scum - Loss (Hydra Bromancipate) TL Mafia L - Town- Win NMM II-Town- Loss If you have other games then this I have fucked up and will have to start all over again with my recording.
Also don't like Tunkeg. Posting any useless statistics needed to get jackal lynched. Just stupid. I don't like it. Nothing concrete against him, but his posts are seemingly distracting the town from scumhunting and rather pointing towards random lynches
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On April 08 2012 23:03 sputnik.theory wrote:
OMFG BISU vs FLASH!!!! sorry for the offtopic start to this post but I'm Hyped!
FourFace I accuse you of making mountains out of molehills. ALL of your claims/accusations are so shallow that I have a hard time refuting them without stooping to your level. I'll just say that it's in my interest to be nice and promote people getting along and against it for the town to make stupid moves. Also, I hope no one gives a shit what you think things 'smell like'... I definitely don't.
No editing. Consider this your only warning
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@Fourface: I don't think you understand what I was trying to say in my last post. The reason I brought you up was not to attack you.
Tunkeg was trying to argue that BH was just looking for an easy way into the game and to gain town cred by pressuring a new player (ST). I'm saying that a better and more townish argument would be that BH is trying to lynch the guy who claims he doesn't care and refuses to justify his votes. (which, if you are town, would be an easy mislynch.) Instead he uses BH pressuring ST as his reasoning, which is a weaker argument than his vote, which leads me to believe that he just wanted to defend ST and doesn't actually believe that BH is scum trying to gain town cred by picking on noobs. (I hope that makes sense)
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On April 09 2012 02:38 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2012 02:26 Tunkeg wrote:On April 09 2012 02:22 Risen wrote:On April 09 2012 02:13 Tunkeg wrote:
Hey Blazinghand, why are you jumping on the new guy? You just want an easy way to boss your way into the game? An easy way to look helpful, when you actually are just bullying the new kid on the block? Probably b/c the new guy is acting scummy? Why are you jumping on him for pressuring someone who isn't doing a very good job? Hiding behind the noob card is so easy for scum. Because I don't find ST very scummy at this point. I find BH's pressure more scummy in fact... I find it very odd that you justify BH trying to find an easy way into the game by picking on ST rather than using the fact that he wrote a case on the guy who openly said he would be acting anti-town and doesn't care about the game. BH is acting pro-town by pressuring ST why did you ignore BH's analysis on fourface when writing that post? Your intent behind that post was purely to defend ST, not questioning BH's motivations.
BH's "case" on 4F I just skipped because it isn't much of a case (there aren't many cases to be found now). Him picking fights with easy targets (as in new players who said something that can be nitpicked) I find suspicious Yeah, he did this in Student, but I would think his play must have evolved since then. Picking on new players may cause them to scumslip, but are most likely to cause them to make newbie town errors, which leads us to bad lynches.
My intents was to questions BH's motives as well as defend ST...
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@Tunkeg: Was the Jackal lynch a serious suggestion or just a joke showing off peoples bad records? I honestly do not know.
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Scummiest of all so far: GMarshal. What type of goobag Eastern Orthodox bullcrap is this, starting a game on the REAL Easter date!
For serious though, this may make killing lurkers on day1 retarded. It is an actual holiday....
2cents on the bullcrap so far:
Risen/ET: Agree with the sentiment of many that this was just two monkeys needlessly flinging poo.
Tunkeg's list: By your list I am a top 9 player with 1 win as scum in a noob game. Clearly this list is 100% accurate, I'm pretty good at this game. As one of the stronger players, I feel a need on this Easter holiday to help crap players like jackal. Jakal: I will act as your guide this game, all you need to do is embrace me as your mentor, guide, guru, and sensei.
FourFace:
1. You posted you wanted to try a kidney/bladder strategy this game before the game even started.
2. You claimed town and a desire to be less active, but said you would continue to test your strategy.
3. You added to the strategy by creating an alter-ego, which serves simply to confuse the f*** outa the town.
Good news!!! I have early results!
Your strategy is crap.
##vote FourFace
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On April 09 2012 02:52 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2012 02:38 Grackaroni wrote:On April 09 2012 02:26 Tunkeg wrote:On April 09 2012 02:22 Risen wrote:On April 09 2012 02:13 Tunkeg wrote:
Hey Blazinghand, why are you jumping on the new guy? You just want an easy way to boss your way into the game? An easy way to look helpful, when you actually are just bullying the new kid on the block? Probably b/c the new guy is acting scummy? Why are you jumping on him for pressuring someone who isn't doing a very good job? Hiding behind the noob card is so easy for scum. Because I don't find ST very scummy at this point. I find BH's pressure more scummy in fact... I find it very odd that you justify BH trying to find an easy way into the game by picking on ST rather than using the fact that he wrote a case on the guy who openly said he would be acting anti-town and doesn't care about the game. BH is acting pro-town by pressuring ST why did you ignore BH's analysis on fourface when writing that post? Your intent behind that post was purely to defend ST, not questioning BH's motivations. BH's "case" on 4F I just skipped because it isn't much of a case (there aren't many cases to be found now). Him picking fights with easy targets (as in new players who said something that can be nitpicked) I find suspicious Yeah, he did this in Student, but I would think his play must have evolved since then. Picking on new players may cause them to scumslip, but are most likely to cause them to make newbie town errors, which leads us to bad lynches. My intents was to questions BH's motives as well as defend ST...
That is part of my point though. Fourface is honestly the easiest target to pick on and that's where BH's vote went. But you didn't even mention that when accusing him. You only mentioned him pressuring ST, which I feel is pro-town.
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/confirm (Happy Easter weekend!)
I just read through the thread (18 pages already?), and I think we all need to take a step back, calm down, and stop with the sarcasm/trolling. Seriously, the one thing I hate most in these games is people who defend themselves by saying that they clearly didn't actually mean what they had earlier said.
With that said, I'm not too suspicious of Risen or ET, as I think that their irrational spat was just that. The two people who voted for ET afterwards (WBG and FourFace), however, do need to justify themselves. In particular, wherebugsgo blatantly disregarded a mod's warning against personal attacks, voted ET for literally no reason, and then disappeared. If he just keeps his vote there throughout the day, then I find that incredibly suspicious.
FourFace, on the other hand... let me make it clear that I want you dead and out of this game.
On April 08 2012 22:09 FourFace wrote:
I want to clarify that I won't be announcing my vote in this thread, meaning I'll always ninja vote. As I stated before my voting is not linked to my function so in most cases it'll be futile to look for reasons why I voted like I did.
Followed by:
On April 08 2012 22:35 FourFace wrote:
If you are town and get vigged/lynched it will be your own fault for not caring and openly announcing you will be playing anti-town.
Do you really expect us to just absolve yourself of any and all responsibilities? In addition to that, you've essentially set up a hydra account for yourself, again reducing your legibility and transparency. On top of that, you're already using the sarcasm/trolling defense. Say what you actually mean, stop trying to divert the town's attention by shifting between multiple personalities, and help us hunt scum and win the game.
But for now, you're doing none of those things, and I see no reason not to:
##Vote: FourFace
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Alright, Tunkeg your list has done nothing but clutter up the thread and make more reading for me to do! Nothing good came from that, while everyone has to argue that retarded suggestion of lynching the worst player has casued a major distraction. WE could be doing better things with the limited time we have in the day. I will keeping my eye on you dear sir.
Fourface I don't really have the words to describe you. I find your name very accuate to the way you have been posting.I can't wait to see the other two.You are drawing a lot of attention to yourself with your alternate personailites. I don't think you are mafia.
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On April 09 2012 03:08 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2012 02:52 Tunkeg wrote:On April 09 2012 02:38 Grackaroni wrote:On April 09 2012 02:26 Tunkeg wrote:On April 09 2012 02:22 Risen wrote:On April 09 2012 02:13 Tunkeg wrote:
Hey Blazinghand, why are you jumping on the new guy? You just want an easy way to boss your way into the game? An easy way to look helpful, when you actually are just bullying the new kid on the block? Probably b/c the new guy is acting scummy? Why are you jumping on him for pressuring someone who isn't doing a very good job? Hiding behind the noob card is so easy for scum. Because I don't find ST very scummy at this point. I find BH's pressure more scummy in fact... I find it very odd that you justify BH trying to find an easy way into the game by picking on ST rather than using the fact that he wrote a case on the guy who openly said he would be acting anti-town and doesn't care about the game. BH is acting pro-town by pressuring ST why did you ignore BH's analysis on fourface when writing that post? Your intent behind that post was purely to defend ST, not questioning BH's motivations. BH's "case" on 4F I just skipped because it isn't much of a case (there aren't many cases to be found now). Him picking fights with easy targets (as in new players who said something that can be nitpicked) I find suspicious Yeah, he did this in Student, but I would think his play must have evolved since then. Picking on new players may cause them to scumslip, but are most likely to cause them to make newbie town errors, which leads us to bad lynches. My intents was to questions BH's motives as well as defend ST... That is part of my point though. Fourface is honestly the easiest target to pick on and that's where BH's vote went. But you didn't even mention that when accusing him. You only mentioned him pressuring ST, which I feel is pro-town.
FourFace is the easiest target, because he is the best target. If he's scum, we can shut him down and minimize the amount of chaos he's certainly going to create later on, and if he's town, then he either needs to shape up or die, and to be honest, I'd much rather mislynch him now than have to read through days of his nonsense, only to mislynch him later.
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I'm getting an unparsable timestamp as the deadline?
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On April 09 2012 03:12 Katina wrote:
Alright, Tunkeg your list has done nothing but clutter up the thread and make more reading for me to do! Nothing good came from that, while everyone has to argue that retarded suggestion of lynching the worst player has casued a major distraction. WE could be doing better things with the limited time we have in the day. I will keeping my eye on you dear sir.
Fourface I don't really have the words to describe you. I find your name very accuate to the way you have been posting.I can't wait to see the other two.You are drawing a lot of attention to yourself with your alternate personailites. I don't think you are mafia.
You've posted two town-reads so far (not that I agree with either of them, or posting either of them), but who do you think is scum? Identifying town players on Day 1 in a 30-player game isn't going to help us win the game.
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actually, considering that wbg is not posting at all, and still hasn't taken his vote off ET, I might actually want to lynch him. Fucking Easter works as an excuse for lurkers atm, so it's hard to do that though.
Grack, do you really believe 4F is the easiest target right now? What do you think about the S.T who looks much like a noob scum(as pointed out by BH)?
michaelthe, do you honestly believe that is a good reason for a vote? Do you think his strategy, which 4F said that was going to be employed pre-game, and which he has tweaked in order to be clearer(ie. we know when he is being sarcastic and when he is being serious) is a scum trait, or are you voting on it solely because you don't like that strategy/style? In my opinion, your vote is a scum vote.
(I hope underlining makes things easier to follow)
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On April 09 2012 03:22 Zephirdd wrote:
michaelthe, do you honestly believe that is a good reason for a vote? Do you think his strategy, which 4F said that was going to be employed pre-game, and which he has tweaked in order to be clearer(ie. we know when he is being sarcastic and when he is being serious) is a scum trait, or are you voting on it solely because you don't like that strategy/style? In my opinion, your vote is a scum vote.
yes.
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On April 09 2012 03:15 MidnightGladius wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2012 03:12 Katina wrote:
Alright, Tunkeg your list has done nothing but clutter up the thread and make more reading for me to do! Nothing good came from that, while everyone has to argue that retarded suggestion of lynching the worst player has casued a major distraction. WE could be doing better things with the limited time we have in the day. I will keeping my eye on you dear sir.
Fourface I don't really have the words to describe you. I find your name very accuate to the way you have been posting.I can't wait to see the other two.You are drawing a lot of attention to yourself with your alternate personailites. I don't think you are mafia. You've posted two town-reads so far (not that I agree with either of them, or posting either of them), but who do you think is scum? Identifying town players on Day 1 in a 30-player game isn't going to help us win the game.
I'm working on that "sometimes the best way to find mafia is to figure out who's not mafia" - Foolishness <3
So far I'm looking at Hassybaby and Toad. I don't have any for sure scum reads yet. I will post about it once I get an idea.
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On April 09 2012 03:22 Zephirdd wrote:
Grack, do you really believe 4F is the easiest target right now? What do you think about the S.T who looks much like a noob scum(as pointed out by BH)?
4F is definitely the easiest target. He said that he will not justify his votes and that he doesn't care about the game. You can tell he is the easy target just from the last couple posts alone voting for him. It's still day1 but I think that S.T looks like a noob scum because he is a noob scum and I think that Tunkeg was trying to protect him by chainsaw attacking BH.
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and ebwop:
Two Options:
1. He is scum. I havent seen any great reads so far, so I'd say chances of this are 6/30, 20%.
2. He is town testing a stupid strategy. Even if scum or town, chances of it being a stupid strategy: 100%
so we have 120% chance that this is a good lynch.
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On April 09 2012 03:26 Katina wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2012 03:15 MidnightGladius wrote:On April 09 2012 03:12 Katina wrote:
Alright, Tunkeg your list has done nothing but clutter up the thread and make more reading for me to do! Nothing good came from that, while everyone has to argue that retarded suggestion of lynching the worst player has casued a major distraction. WE could be doing better things with the limited time we have in the day. I will keeping my eye on you dear sir.
Fourface I don't really have the words to describe you. I find your name very accuate to the way you have been posting.I can't wait to see the other two.You are drawing a lot of attention to yourself with your alternate personailites. I don't think you are mafia. You've posted two town-reads so far (not that I agree with either of them, or posting either of them), but who do you think is scum? Identifying town players on Day 1 in a 30-player game isn't going to help us win the game. I'm working on that "sometimes the best way to find mafia is to figure out who's not mafia" - Foolishness <3 So far I'm looking at Hassybaby and Toad. I don't have any for sure scum reads yet. I will post about it once I get an idea.
Great. keep town reads to yourself. If you just call people town all the time, that paints targets on their head for scum to kill. They want to kill the most townies first and leave the ambiguous ones alive.
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@Zealos you have to set your own timezone for teamliquid, which will then apply for most time stampy things.
@Risen find a different patsy to generate fake content from next time. The only reason why I'm not currently suspicious of you is that your logic was way way too bad to be a conscious effort to push something.
@Katina you imply that FourFace is acting erratically but don't exactly say why you think FF isn't Mafia. Do you think FF does or doesn't have an agenda with his multiple identities? Your demeanor, laughably enough, reminds me of how I acted in TL JubJub.
On April 09 2012 01:29 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2012 01:11 slOosh wrote:On April 08 2012 23:41 Tunkeg wrote:
As for a random lynch I am against a totally random lynch, but for a random lynch in the way we lynch the one who is the worst player.
Yeah I want some clarification here. It basically boils down to you supporting lynching the "worst" player. How does lynching the "worst" player help us? Lynching the worst player or more importantly suggesting to lynch the worst players does this: 1. If lynch goes through and he flips scum. Great. 2. If lynch goes through and he flips town. Bummer, but still it was the worst player around. 3. If lynch doesn't go through we get to see who opposed the lynch and why. Who supported the lynch and why. Who said nothing and why. 4. No one bothers to discuss the proposed lynch and instead bickers about some stupid spreadsheet. It is a random lynch in the way no one but scum and the player himself know the allignement of the player. Random lynches works best when they don't lead to lynches but only to discussions and people taking stances.
There are multiple problems with this mindset. First of all, just calling Jackal the worst player in this game and proposing to lynch him is both nonsensical and generally incorrect. Whether or not Jackal has lost a lot of games doesn't have bearing on this particular game; if Jackal starts playing very sub-optimally in a suspicious manner, then by all means he is playing "bad" and "scummy", but bringing up a case as such is not sensible.
Numbers 1-3 on your list applies to literally anyone, not just through your own proposed plan. If we decide to lynch anyone, anyone can say "I think he's scum but if he's not oh well he was worst player around", as opposed to actually thinking someone is scum for legitimate reasons. It would make a lot more sense from a town perspective to start a push on someone you currently think is scummy, then someone that you perceive to be "bad".
By your logic, since you are the 3rd worst player in this game, you should be on the lynching board. I think that you attempted to start something on Jackal and are now trying to recover when no one bit the bait.
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On April 09 2012 02:26 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2012 02:22 Risen wrote:On April 09 2012 02:13 Tunkeg wrote:
Hey Blazinghand, why are you jumping on the new guy? You just want an easy way to boss your way into the game? An easy way to look helpful, when you actually are just bullying the new kid on the block? Probably b/c the new guy is acting scummy? Why are you jumping on him for pressuring someone who isn't doing a very good job? Hiding behind the noob card is so easy for scum. Because I don't find ST very scummy at this point. I find BH's pressure more scummy in fact... You are also now trying to shut down BH's attempts to make cases instead of reasoning through what he's said one way or the other. Since you are simultaneously generating content that has no basis and trying to shutdown other people's attempts to generate discussion, you are the most scummy person in this thread for me.
##Vote: Tunkeg
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Toad is looking scummy to me. He says a lot in his few posts without saying anything. I start zoning off halfway through his posts. Has anyone actually read his posts all the way through? He tires to look like he's contributing with his long posts when he's just rambling on and on and on...... Toad is all over the place and doesn't have a focus.
##Vote Toadesstern
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