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On April 08 2012 09:51 Janaan wrote:
1.I see we started early. Excellent. This will be my first non-newbie mini game, so bear with me while I get a handle on reading and analyzing a much bigger thread with 3 times the players.
2.Only things that have really stood out to me so far: I like VE's initiative to get rid of lurking in a proactive way. My town games have pretty much been ruined by just a couple people lurking, and I imagine with more people playing, that problem could potentially be even worse.
3.Sl0osh, I know you're a pretty smart guy, I find it interesting that you didn't understand the Stealthy mechanic, at least well enough to have a basic understanding of it. The first thing that came to my mind when you asked for clarification? You could need more information because you ARE stealthy. I've got my eye on you.
4.Other than that, so far it seems to be mostly people posting fluffy first hour of Day 1 statements as people often do.
God Save the Queen!
I found this post pretty bad
1.I don't like this tone. He tries to undermine his own play right here, saying "bear with me while I get a handle...".
2.Why say this about VE? You "like" him because he wants to get rid of lurking in a proactive way? Are you kidding me? You are telling me you never played a game where people discussed lynching and killing lurkers?
It's more fluff to make it appear he's contributing.
3.Notice the words he uses. "I find it interesting that you didn't understand the Stealthy mechanic"; "I've got my eye on you".
First of all, he finds that behaviour from sloosh suspicious, which is totally bullshit since no sane scum with the Stealthy trait will directly talk about it in the thread instead of PMing the mods in the first place.
Second, he doesn't even seem to directly confront sloosh. He says "I find it interesting", seems too wishy washy to be an actual accusation. Again, seems like a classic scumtell of accusing someone without directly confronting them, hoping someone else will read it and confront sloosh about it; or to put some doubt in sloosh so he can come back to said suspicious later, while nobody notices said suspicion right now.
4. Again, more fluff. What motivation does he have to post this? Just more fluff (which is just a "retelling" of what's happening in the thread, it serves no purpose) to make his post look bigger.
Each individual thing from your post isn't enough to make one think you are scum, but the fact that you made all of them in a single post looks very bad. I'd say you are scum, specially since you've posted almost nothing at all since, yet your post seemed to imply you were eager to participate and kind of "enthusiastic" about the game, which you clearly aren't.
That isn't too damning though, maybe it's the time-zone or something, but whenever I find lack of participation when one was eager to do so before suspicious I'm generally right.
##Vote: Janaan
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Regarding other lynch "candidates":
FourFace:
I still don't get what he's trying to do; but I don't see how his actions make him scum. He acted like this in previous games; I'd prefer if he's ignored, or at least the discussion is not about him. Saying he's "creating chaos" is only right if people start arguing about/with him and let the thread be clogged up with pointless "Oh 4face is anti-town oh oh" stuff.
Tunkeg:
His "win/loss ratio" list didn't do any good; but it's not an alignment tell.
I find his tone and posting style weird, like saying things like "Phone home, goddammed alien" and shit. That's certainly NOT the way he played when we played together; and apart from discussing his list/random lynch, and discrediting BH I haven't seen him contribute that much.
I don't know what to think about his behaviour (seems trollish, but again that doesn't determine his alignment); but I wouldn't be against killing him if he doesn't step up his game like I know he can do.
Wherebugsgo:
I dunno why, but I don't think he's scum because I think he would play better if he was scum; and I know some people think he plays "bad" as town.
Apart from some trolling of him, I don't find him scummy, and wouldn't want him lynched today.
Sputnik:
He's very aggressive, and so far he hasn't done anything scummy IMO.
Waiting for more contributions from him.
About Risen vs ET and other stuff:
The Risen vs ET thing has been fully covered I think.
2 players clogging the thread and going against each other because of some petty stuff. Nothing suspicious here, it actually makes me think both are town because of that.
I think Risen and ET are town for other reasons too (small ones actually), but if it doesn't help mentioning them I won't.
Although it was stupid for Risen to do so, but I can see where he's coming from (making "playful" posts, full of smileys, etc); but his execution was very bad.
I would like leaving him alone for now.
If you have any questions to me ask away. I chose not to comment on ALL interactions this game or ask questions to everybody since that didn't do very good last time I did it.
@sloosh: I'd like more contributions from you, you say that we shouldn't spend time arguing about the spreadshit, but you don't do anything yourself.
I wouldn't be against lynching Toad though; will post more about him after people comment on Janaan.
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On April 09 2012 05:19 Tunkeg wrote:
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johnnywup - just slow or what? Useless statistics, hah, it was used to spearhead my proposal to lynch jackal
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I don't like that you're spearheading Jackal though. It's not random, for one thing. I don't like your list. I don't like your statistics. I don't like you. Your proposal to lynch jackal just because, statistically, he's bad, is a terrible idea. If you're scum you can push that agenda as town if you know he's town. As town you're pushing a random person's lynch with no argument, which is just obviously bad for town. You're killing someone on "skill" and not agenda.
##Vote: Tunkeg
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On April 09 2012 07:08 johnnywup wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2012 05:19 Tunkeg wrote:
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johnnywup - just slow or what? Useless statistics, hah, it was used to spearhead my proposal to lynch jackal
[...] I don't like that you're spearheading Jackal though. It's not random, for one thing. I don't like your list. I don't like your statistics. I don't like you. Your proposal to lynch jackal just because, statistically, he's bad, is a terrible idea. If you're scum you can push that agenda as town if you know he's town. As town you're pushing a random person's lynch with no argument, which is just obviously bad for town. You're killing someone on "skill" and not agenda. ##Vote: Tunkeg
I was facilitating a discussion around the random lynch and around the target. I was right, you are just slow, and you aren't reading the thread. Thanks for voting for me though, makes it easier to track for later. And my guess is that you are one of those who will be around near the end...
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On April 09 2012 07:13 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2012 07:08 johnnywup wrote:On April 09 2012 05:19 Tunkeg wrote:
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johnnywup - just slow or what? Useless statistics, hah, it was used to spearhead my proposal to lynch jackal
[...] I don't like that you're spearheading Jackal though. It's not random, for one thing. I don't like your list. I don't like your statistics. I don't like you. Your proposal to lynch jackal just because, statistically, he's bad, is a terrible idea. If you're scum you can push that agenda as town if you know he's town. As town you're pushing a random person's lynch with no argument, which is just obviously bad for town. You're killing someone on "skill" and not agenda. ##Vote: Tunkeg I was facilitating a discussion around the random lynch and around the target. I was right, you are just slow, and you aren't reading the thread. Thanks for voting for me though, makes it easier to track for later. And my guess is that you are one of those who will be around near the end...
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Tunkeg, Jackal, jhonny.
What do you guys think about Toad? And what do you think about Janaan? Do you think my previous case holds enough water or not to lynch Janaan?
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On April 09 2012 07:17 Jackal58 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2012 07:13 Tunkeg wrote:On April 09 2012 07:08 johnnywup wrote:On April 09 2012 05:19 Tunkeg wrote:
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johnnywup - just slow or what? Useless statistics, hah, it was used to spearhead my proposal to lynch jackal
[...] I don't like that you're spearheading Jackal though. It's not random, for one thing. I don't like your list. I don't like your statistics. I don't like you. Your proposal to lynch jackal just because, statistically, he's bad, is a terrible idea. If you're scum you can push that agenda as town if you know he's town. As town you're pushing a random person's lynch with no argument, which is just obviously bad for town. You're killing someone on "skill" and not agenda. ##Vote: Tunkeg I was facilitating a discussion around the random lynch and around the target. I was right, you are just slow, and you aren't reading the thread. Thanks for voting for me though, makes it easier to track for later. And my guess is that you are one of those who will be around near the end... ????
The best players are usually elimanted near endgame time...
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EBWOP:
The best players are usually elimanted before endgame time...
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BTW everyone should do this, it is obv better then trying to get any sort of discussions going. Or everyone can do their summary posts...
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On April 09 2012 06:58 gonzaw wrote:
Regarding other lynch "candidates":
FourFace:
I still don't get what he's trying to do; but I don't see how his actions make him scum. He acted like this in previous games; I'd prefer if he's ignored, or at least the discussion is not about him. Saying he's "creating chaos" is only right if people start arguing about/with him and let the thread be clogged up with pointless "Oh 4face is anti-town oh oh" stuff.
Tunkeg:
His "win/loss ratio" list didn't do any good; but it's not an alignment tell.
I find his tone and posting style weird, like saying things like "Phone home, goddammed alien" and shit. That's certainly NOT the way he played when we played together; and apart from discussing his list/random lynch, and discrediting BH I haven't seen him contribute that much.
I don't know what to think about his behaviour (seems trollish, but again that doesn't determine his alignment); but I wouldn't be against killing him if he doesn't step up his game like I know he can do.
Wherebugsgo:
I dunno why, but I don't think he's scum because I think he would play better if he was scum; and I know some people think he plays "bad" as town.
Apart from some trolling of him, I don't find him scummy, and wouldn't want him lynched today.
Sputnik:
He's very aggressive, and so far he hasn't done anything scummy IMO.
Waiting for more contributions from him.
About Risen vs ET and other stuff:
The Risen vs ET thing has been fully covered I think.
2 players clogging the thread and going against each other because of some petty stuff. Nothing suspicious here, it actually makes me think both are town because of that.
I think Risen and ET are town for other reasons too (small ones actually), but if it doesn't help mentioning them I won't.
Although it was stupid for Risen to do so, but I can see where he's coming from (making "playful" posts, full of smileys, etc); but his execution was very bad.
I would like leaving him alone for now.
If you have any questions to me ask away. I chose not to comment on ALL interactions this game or ask questions to everybody since that didn't do very good last time I did it.
@sloosh: I'd like more contributions from you, you say that we shouldn't spend time arguing about the spreadshit, but you don't do anything yourself.
I wouldn't be against lynching Toad though; will post more about him after people comment on Janaan.
I'd like to hear what wbg got to say about the wbg part :p
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FourFace
On April 09 2012 07:18 gonzaw wrote:
Tunkeg, Jackal, jhonny.
What do you guys think about Toad? And what do you think about Janaan? Do you think my previous case holds enough water or not to lynch Janaan?
I don't think it's enough and another lynch target is not necessarily what we want unless it's a solid case. We'll have to start synchronizing our suspicions. If you think I need to go by all means vote for me just don't say stuff like you want to ignore me because then I'll just stop posting and see to my RL which comes at me strong tomorrow with classes starting 8am even though I'm catholic.
Good Night
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On April 09 2012 03:27 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2012 03:22 Zephirdd wrote:
Grack, do you really believe 4F is the easiest target right now? What do you think about the S.T who looks much like a noob scum(as pointed out by BH)?
It's still day1 but I think that S.T looks like a noob scum because he is a noob scum and I think that Tunkeg was trying to protect him by chainsaw attacking BH.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question
what the heck are you even saying?
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Also some more funny statistics from my list. Town is 6-14-1 (tie) in 2012 (including Game of Thrones). For the last 15!!! games town is 2-13. Why, well I'd say because players suck at reading the game (I am pretty sucky at this as well). But at least I don't just vote on anyone who have an idea that isn't to my liking. The ones voting for me now are the ones who makes town lose every game, they don't have a clue whats scummy and whats not...
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On April 09 2012 07:38 Tunkeg wrote:
Also some more funny statistics from my list. Town is 6-14-1 (tie) in 2012 (including Game of Thrones). For the last 15!!! games town is 2-13. Why, well I'd say because players suck at reading the game (I am pretty sucky at this as well). But at least I don't just vote on anyone who have an idea that isn't to my liking. The ones voting for me now are the ones who makes town lose every game, they don't have a clue whats scummy and whats not...
DING DING DING DING DING
usually town wins when there are at least 4-5 players on their A game (in a game of this size) consolidating their reads to crush scumteams together. This last happened, as I remember correctly, in L.
Normally town loses when no one reads and people derp around not looking like town, becoming inactive, allowing scum to blend in, posting things that make no sense, creating distractions, and arguing about things that are irrelevant to finding scum.
So, for one, Tunkeg: admit that your spreadsheet was not an advocation of random lynch because it inherently favored lynching bads. Jackal may or may not be a bad player, but wanting to lynch him because he's at the bottom of your spreadsheet is not advocating a random lynch, it's advocating a lynch based on him being at the bottom of your spreadsheet (which is determined by your grading mechanic of win pct)
That is obviously irrelevant to finding scum. Let's move on. Who do you actually think is scum this game and who would you kill right now if you had to?
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On April 09 2012 07:38 Tunkeg wrote:
Also some more funny statistics from my list. Town is 6-14-1 (tie) in 2012 (including Game of Thrones). For the last 15!!! games town is 2-13. Why, well I'd say because players suck at reading the game (I am pretty sucky at this as well). But at least I don't just vote on anyone who have an idea that isn't to my liking. The ones voting for me now are the ones who makes town lose every game, they don't have a clue whats scummy and whats not...
Tunkeg, you better stop this useless discussion about statistics and trying to "defend" yourself and start contributing more.
For instance, answer my question, what do you think of Janaan (or what do you think we should do with him) and what do you think of Toad?
If not find the other scum
On April 09 2012 07:33 FourFace wrote:FourFaceShow nested quote +On April 09 2012 07:18 gonzaw wrote:
Tunkeg, Jackal, jhonny.
What do you guys think about Toad? And what do you think about Janaan? Do you think my previous case holds enough water or not to lynch Janaan? I don't think it's enough and another lynch target is not necessarily what we want unless it's a solid case. We'll have to start synchronizing our suspicions. If you think I need to go by all means vote for me just don't say stuff like you want to ignore me because then I'll just stop posting and see to my RL which comes at me strong tomorrow with classes starting 8am even though I'm catholic. Good Night
The thing is that I don't understand the whole "kidney" "Nefron" shit, nor those posts where you post images and say some irrelevant or confusing stuff.
People should ignore that, but obviously if you start making sense and contributing you shouldn't be ignored.
And now, I don't want you to go more that I want scum to go, so I'm voting scum first.
Hopefully you start playing better and helping us (if you are town), or just let a DT check you or a vig shoot you so you can't confuse town any more.
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On April 09 2012 07:18 gonzaw wrote:
Tunkeg, Jackal, jhonny.
What do you guys think about Toad? And what do you think about Janaan? Do you think my previous case holds enough water or not to lynch Janaan?
Toad isn't as spammy as last time I played with him AC. Does this make him scum, I don't know. I don't see what some players see in him. I see him as pretty much null. Like almost every other player in this game thus far.
Your case on Janaan. Well I think it is forced, and somewhat premature. Reading that much from one post. I put it in the same category as BH's posts. Are you wrong for doing it? Who am I to judge. Maybe your pressure will create results from Janaan, maybe not. Still I like your case on Janaan better then BH's pressure on ST. He just kept pounding on him, not giving him a chance to explain himself.
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You got ninjaed gonzaw...
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I do apologise for my absence all of this hour of need. This day has been a most dreadful series of affairs.
While reading through the posts made, I see a number of potential options have arisen since last I spoke. While I can see potential arguments in them, I have some feelings about how it has been going:
With Risen and ET. I think what's said is said. The passion in their discussion makes me feel that they will bow to the Queen, not end her glorious reign.
With wbg: Previous feelings with the young gentleman has made me realize that while it seems he has a disposition of an apathetic commoner, his heart remains loyal. Therefore, I would like to look in other directions for our anti-monarchist guests.
With FourFace: I do not believe we have met before. Good evening Sir. Your attempts at discussion have been most definitely uncommon, and quite disruptive. As of yet, I am not sure. But young gonzaw is a man of integrity, so I will believe him for now and treat you as an interesting painting.
The potential herrings on our party, in my opinion, are between Kenpachi and Janaan. I have seen Kenpachi on numerous occasions. A man of remote talent, he spends most of his time gallivanting with the young girls, and generally causing a ruckus. But today, he seems quiet, even a bit reserved.
Janaan's first step into this party reminded me of my own baby steps into the larger social circles. My concern though is that it was never followed up. He seems to have disappeared to a corner of the room, indulging in other pleasantries, as opposed to assisting in our attempts to prevent the plots afoot
As always, I prefer to hear the responses before declaring my position, but I do believe that Janaan should be our first target over Kenpachi.
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About Toad:
Here's what I think of him:
On April 08 2012 19:35 Toadesstern wrote:Sup guyses, here I am. Anything important going on other than noobs bashing each other? I'm referring to that Risen vs ET conversation I just read and I don't know what to make of Risen yet. I have no idea what Risen is trying to achieve as he clearly is stretching when talking about / with ET imo. However I really liked this post he did: Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 15:14 Risen wrote:On April 08 2012 14:46 Katina wrote:
EchelonTee, I have made the observation that your posting is different from jubjub. I don't remember you swearing or USING CAPS TO EMPHASIZE A POINT. Last game you were active but very laid back and you turned out to be Mafia. That scratches out one person I have to worry about being mafia. The fuck? How does that make him instantly town? The only way you could make the judgement this early is if you KNEW he wasn't town. As in, hi scumI'm off to bed at this point. Hopefully the euros will get in this thread and keep it active. I mean, I don't like the post itself but the message itself is okayish. What Katina said is wrong and if that's not some kind of joke it's definitively weird and has to be pointed out. So I'd really like to have less of those "yo dude, I didn't accuse you in the first place - sure you did - no I didn't - WHAT?!?!" posts as they're pretty useless (useless like wbg's vote) and more of those "that's stupid, stop it" posts (as long as they've got at least a little tiny bit of an explanation so everyone can understand what's going on in your head) and if someone keeps doing stupid things although we told him to stop it we lynch him the next day. Pretty easy. And yeah, you know I agree with VE when he said shooting/lynching lurkers is a nice thing to do. I agree that I don't like to lynch them early on because that gives so little information and it's really easy for mafia to just hop on lurker-wagons which essentially would give us 0 information. Of course that only works if we actually have vigs, so if there's no dead lurkers by the end of day 2 or day3 we might have to overthink that one. Someone else here right now? I just woke up an hour ago or so and I don't like pretending to talk to someone when I really am not. If there is someone else around here: Remember how I said I'd like to shoot VE pregame if I end up being a vig? Right now I'd shoot wbg instead if I had a gun, thoughts anyone?
I found this a bad first post (although not as bad as Janaan's).
His whole post is based on a "good post" Risen made (which isn't actually that good at all I think), and dwelling on that; and then just talking fluff (IMO) about the whole Risen vs ET thing.
Then talking about lurkers, which is mostly fluff again.
What I find about most of his posts, is that he talks A LOT about irrelevant stuff, and drags it way too much.
He posts some fluff, and instead of being clear about his reads and intentions he spends paragraphs discussing some things which again, are irrelevant, or he spends a lot of time discussing things he could have said with just 1 sentence.
For instance this post:
On April 09 2012 01:20 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2012 23:59 slOosh wrote:On April 08 2012 19:35 Toadesstern wrote:
Pretty easy. And yeah, you know I agree with VE when he said shooting/lynching lurkers is a nice thing to do. I agree that I don't like to lynch them early on because that gives so little information and it's really easy for mafia to just hop on lurker-wagons which essentially would give us 0 information. Of course that only works if we actually have vigs, so if there's no dead lurkers by the end of day 2 or day3 we might have to overthink that one.
So what is your conclusion on the matter of lurkers? Lynch them or no? On April 08 2012 21:18 Toadesstern wrote:
I'd actually say Risen and WBG are the only ones being suspicious for me right now. I don't think ET is that weird.
However I liked the one post from Risen I quoted so that's given me a little townread.
Right now it really feels like what I thought about VE in storm. I had a bunch of things that made me think he's town, I had a bunch of things that made me think he's mafia and I didn't know what to make of that and he ended up being 3rd party but of course this is only day1 based on a couple hours of our game :p
To you WBG is suspicious but Kenpachi isn't? What exactly makes WBG suspicious? 1) Lynch them if we need to. I'd rather see them shot and have our lynches on people were we force people to take a stance as it's quite easy for mafia to be on a lurker-lynch and argue that that's just normal as everyibe did that as well and there's very little reasoning involved other than "the guy is a lurker". However telling people you think X is scummy, Y is scummy and Z is scummy because of *insert analysis here* and seeing all 3 flipping town is a little worrying unless you're a retarded compulsive vig like SOME PEOPLE tend to be. So that's why I'd like to have real lynches and keep the lurkers for our vig/vigs if we got some unless we don't have a legit real lynch candidate around. In that case lynching a lurker is fine as a safe option imo. 2) Funny you mentioned Kenpachi. He's the guy I'd like to shoot if I had to shoot someone other than wbg right now. But that's not because he's suspicious but because he's Kenpachi. I totally hate that "style" and he will be a controversial topic at some point in this game imo. I doubt he's going to be helpful at all all game long and he's probably going to lurk all the time while sometimes posting a couple of oneliners that have nothing to do with the thread but may or may not benefit his own ability to judge people based on reactions. That's how I feel about Kenpachi and long story short = he's a null for me and I doubt he's going to go highly either the one or the other way in reads so if I had to shoot it'd be a coinflip option which is bad but really a secure shot because it's not like shooting Kenpachi is going to harm the game like shooting a Vet would if that guy turns out to be a townie.
Also I find a kind of "neutral" tone in his posts. Like he doesn't care that much (but take this with a grain of salt).
Also, what Katina says is kind of true, he lacks some "focus".
He does start saying Risen is suspicious, and then WBG and Kenpachi are (although he then says Ken is null, well whatever).
But then he goes off topic with the previous stuff I mentioned, then spends paragraphs and paragraphs discussing how he "tries to appear town".
And he solely focuses on discrediting Kenpachi and FoSing WBG, and I don't find his reasons compelling, nor clear enough.
I'd want him or Janaan lynched instead of the other candidates today.
So people, I ask you again: What do you think about Toad and what I mentioned in this post?
About Janaan:
His first post was very bad, and it is sufficient for a Day 1 lynch on him IMO.
Yes, I want him pressured, and I want other people's thoughts on him and if they agree on lynching him based on his 1st post, and lack of participation considering the enthusiastic tone of his post.
Mostly, I want him lynched; but again I'd prefer to reap the benefits from this pressure on him as well (i.e opinions from other people, how Janaan handles the pressure, etc).
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