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Alex is verbose, and you owe it to yourself (and the rest of us) to read the statement in its entirety. Remember, when making comments/claims to provide proper evidence, facts etc. Arguments based on incorrect assumptions, facts and straw men, will be dealt with swiftly. If in doubt, PM a mod or ask IRC. Do NOT spread misinformation, when in doubt, check your sources. In short, be smart. Alex comments on Idra: Orbs Statement: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319038 Personal attacks against other posters in this thread will be met with a ban -- 14:20 KST | ||
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MrDudeMan
Canada973 Posts
On March 09 2012 14:27 XRaDiiX wrote: Yeah that was a friendly gesture hardly anything comparable to the use of a derogatory racial term towards another player. You are trying to compare two totally different things. CONTEXT He wasnt trying to offend him by implying he was black. CONTEXT | ||
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hacklebeast
United States5090 Posts
On March 09 2012 14:25 Charger wrote: They said they wouldn't have hired him in the first place had they known about this behavior ahead of time. When they found out, they let him go. Also, HE LIED TO EG, HIS EMPLOYER. I can't believe people don't take into account that last part... Except that Alex didn't cite that as a reason in his post. I agree, If he just said they were firing him for his actions, and because he blatantly lied about it, it would satisfy a lot of the people who have a problem with the decision. | ||
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dekarp
286 Posts
I didn't email anyone, boycott their sponsors, or do anything like that, but it's satisfying knowing that someone in a prominent position can't get away with lying about a very serious issue. The lying is what really got to me moreso than the "racist" and "homophobic" words. Infact, I'm a little disappointed that the lying wasn't really mentioned in Alex's post... he seems to be solely focusing on racism, which is g00d for your sponsors to hear and all... but really? You don't care that he lied and you're solely making your decision on the words he typed on ladder? Basically: Not sure if PR work or legit not caring about the fact your employee lied to you Edit: Happy that he was released, just not happy WHY he was released. | ||
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Duravi
United States1205 Posts
I didn't see anything in Alex's post about the context of using the word. He said it should never be used, and he would not hire someone who uses it. | ||
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fourColo
United States363 Posts
Tyler kind of looks like a dummy to me without his glasses but he is actually very smart! | ||
Beastyqt
Serbia516 Posts
If he did this while in EG lair I can understand that they would dismiss him, but these were older replays and im pretty sure he wouldnt be stupid to do that while in EG lair and just got job from them. It sure is his fault, you cant blame anyone else, but most likely ruining his casting career forever is overdoing it because of something he did in past. He should be punished in some way, but not like this. I wish people when they come online would try to search for nice stuff someone did and make funny posts instead there is JUST drama and nothing else on TL or reddit lately. | ||
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TheRhox
Canada868 Posts
On March 09 2012 14:27 Jarree wrote: People contacted EG sponsors right away? I don't even... This also shocked me the most out of all. I can't believe this community sometimes.. | ||
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On March 09 2012 14:26 tree.hugger wrote: Cute theory. Now go to Detroit and see if caucasians or african americans are more offended by your use of that epithet. Does it matter? Even a black person who takes offense to someone casually stating a racial slur (i.e. one that is not maliciously directed at them) is overreacting. It's a little more acceptable because of extenuating circumstances (e.g. they being black, if they're from a situation of having experienced racism etc. etc.) but they are nonetheless wrong to take offense, because what they should be opposed to is racism viz. racists, not terminology that reminds them of racism. | ||
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Silvertine
United States509 Posts
Welcome to humor. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On March 09 2012 14:24 NEXUS6 wrote: its all about seeking that drama, EG did nothing but lose my respect by giving in to the reddit mob when people start threatening the lifeblood of your team (going to the sponsors) you have no choice | ||
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johnny123
521 Posts
With the Katu incident, i agree with. But with this one from EG i dont . The N word is the most popular word on the internet,not just for online games, but everywhere, so as the words faggot/douchebag/scrub/noob/trash/waste of life and numerous other obscenities. I personally just laugh at it as it gives me a chuckle. All this crap orb said on the screen shots could have been done a really long time ago on battlenet, but as soon as he gets into EG some jealous guy deems it the right time to put out such pictures of this crime and now he has lost his job. this punishment seems just like the naniwa incident, where its like more of a case to make an example rather than a punishment that fits the crime. Too bad that orb is the guinea pig for this. i only have 2 questions to alex 1) Isn't it well known that orb was known to be badmanner before hiring him? i remember this being known in the community since NASL season 2 when he first showed up on the scene. Its not like this comes as news to anyone thats been following the starcraft 2 scene closely . and 2) what do you have to say about idras comments in the past, "such as cruncher is a waste of life", and calling people faggots etc". I mean its not that i want idra to be banned, as most people in there rightful frame of mind know its just harmless internet rage. But what im confused at is that for orbs case, this harmless internet rage has resulted in the lost of his job. | ||
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KevinBacon
Portugal48 Posts
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yawnoC
United States3704 Posts
On March 09 2012 13:47 Chill wrote: It's just dumb. Orb shouldn't be raging and using slurs. Orb shouldn't have said anything and definitely shouldn't have lied. EG also shouldn't have done anything. Two days later, everyone would have forgotten. The people who declared they were boycotting EG would likely have kept doing what they were doing previous to this situation. Orb deserved a public shaming and a stern talking to from EG. Not this. And I think above all, people don't realize how much they can shape someone's life. The people who organized this situation are now going to keep doing what they're doing while Orb tries to rearrange his real life. I appreciate that he should have to take responsibility for his actions, but he didn't deserve this. As I've said before - keep burning your volunteers and soon you're going to find that you don't have any more. I agree with everything you say and normally I would say you are right but that fact that orb would have been casting 6 days a week for the next month and a half (i think) would have made it more difficult to forget. | ||
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NeoSunny
United States31 Posts
I respect Alex's wishes, I'm a huge EG fan. But Orb's stream is flagged for mature content, you assume all risks of being offended by tuning in. It's his stream, his language, don't like it, turn it off, just like Destiny's stream. I also don't think he should be punished for something he did way before he was signed. So basically anyone who out of rage has ever said the "f-gg--" word or the "n" word in the history of them playing Starcraft, could never possibly be signed by EG? I think that's ridiculous. But what he did do wrong was lie. Should have just fessed up. | ||
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vult
United States9395 Posts
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garbanzo
United States4046 Posts
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fourColo
United States363 Posts
On March 09 2012 14:28 TheRhox wrote: This also shocked me the most out of all. I can't believe this community sometimes.. I think you're looking for the fighting game community. Have a rape day, don't get raped on your rape out the door! Rape. | ||
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H0bgawblin
United States109 Posts
On March 09 2012 14:23 fourColo wrote: It's almost as if there's enough people that get offended by casual racism that using it is a really bad idea! I completely agree, it's an awful idea and kids on the net do it all the time. Does that mean reactions like this " "While I respect EG for letting Orb go, this is clearly a double standard. Until Idra is let go for all the hateful things he has said in the past, including the word f*****, which IMO is just as bad as any racist term, I do not think we should be sending good words to EG's sponsors. In fact, I will be sending a complaint to each of EG's sponsors until an explanation is made as to why Idra is (or perhaps was, maybe it doesn't happen anymore) allowed to act much worse than Orb and get away with it with only a smack on the hand. I encourage everyone who agrees that racist AND homophobic people shouldn't be allowed on EG to do the same." Aren't over zealous and terrifying? I think we are arguing two different points here. I'm not defending orb, I'm telling people to be realistic and not over react by doing something so outrageous as contacting sponsors in order to get leverage. | ||
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bobwhiz
United States725 Posts
On March 09 2012 14:09 Jinsho wrote: This is wrong. HuK and IdrA never commentate. You are just being obnoxious for the sake of it. In what way are they less public representatives of their teams and sponsors? | ||
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dangerjoe
Denmark1866 Posts
Instead of arguing about what you think he would say, read it: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/qodvs/orb_dismissed_from_evil_geniuses_broadcasts/c3z5l13 | ||
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